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ethical honey doesn't exist. beekeepers get their bees from factory farms. the bees are shipped to them. these bees are diseased because they're farmed in close quarters. then these bees spread their diseases to wildflowers and that's why wild bees are dying and the ecosystems around them die off. on top of that, beeke...
If raw fish incorporated into your current plant based diet made you feel completely reborn and amazing, would you keep eating fish? Reason being is because this is most likely what almost all vegans should feel after a few days on raw or cooked fish.
Hi this is my first time posting. So vegans, what do you suggest for people who cannot be vegan or even plant based for medical reasons. I myself cannot even be pescatarian for medical reasons which I'm not comfortable sharing online but I will say I did try to be vegan I ended up in hospital because my body couldn't...
As much as cooking for yourself may not be a problem, how do you guys deal with travelling? Isn't exploring new tastes a great part of it? I just can't imagine what you'd eat in a "regular" or "traditional" restaurant in a new country, you'd have to just find some veg*n ones instead? I got to think about this topic rec...
One day, my family was at a diner. My brother ordered a burger bit didn't finish it. My dad, vegan, decides to finish the burger because you can't unorder it. Was that ethical?
If I buy 20 chicks and put them in a large enclosure with a coop, food and water and treat them well then there is nothing unethical about that. ​ Common arguments: \> It’s an intrinsically exploitative relationship and they were bred to lay more eggs than what’s natural and as a result live a life of misery....
I'm interested in the health aspect of veganism. However, all health studies I have looked at classify a vegan diet as consuming x amount/times of animal products per week/month, but this x is greater than 0. Do you know any study which looks at strict vegans?
There are a lot of testimonies there of people who’s (especially mental) health increased drastically. Did they just do something wrong or is it possible the science is missing something essential? Edit: typo in title; it’s r/exvegans of course…
There is a boatload of evidence, research, and studies pointing out that meat consumption is linked to diabetes, heart disease, cancer, obesity, etc. A lot of meat eaters will claim that it’s because vegans don’t smoke or drink, but most of the studies factor out this and compare meat eaters who don’t smoke or drink wi...
Title pretty much says it all. A lot of people like to say that meat comes from animals who have been slaughtered, which is obviously one of the main reasons why they don't eat it. But think about this: is there a difference if the animal died of natural causes such as old age, and WASN'T killed? Because if you think a...
To vegans. If your argument that we should all be vegans because 'humans are not designed to be meat eaters' (I have heard this in my personal circle, though whether this is reflective of the majority of vegans, I don't know) But if you do use that argument, I would like to point out the flaw in this argument. (The obv...
The Vegan Societies' definition has served as a decent tool but at some point we're going to need clarity, accuracy and consistency. We should evolve the definition into something that conveys true Vegan values and is more philosophically defendable. Issue 1: Many food crops rely on bee pollination for successful poll...
I know being a vegan is an ethical choice not to want to hurt animals anymore, or at least as less as possible. But what's the overall opinion about the environment? Is a vegan diet overall being better for the environment just an extra of being vegan? I can find myself in the ethical and health part of a vegan. And ...
Animal rights is inherently opposed to many important conservation strategies. Namely the killing of invasive species, captive breeding, and sustainable use. The killing of invasive species via trapping, trapping and poisoning causes pain to animals, and many animal rights activists oppose it for this reason. They tend...
Hey guys, recently picked up a vegan lifestyle and had a question. If you, in the more than likely impossible scenario, were forced to choose between killing a random human or a random cow, would the "vegan" answer be a coin toss to see who dies? From what I have understood, veganism is attempting to minimize animal su...
I'm not vegan but I love animals and have the utmost respect for those who choose the vegan lifestyle. I'm curious to hear thoughts from those who are vegan/vegetarian on working in fast food or restaurant service. Would you work for a restaurant/food joint that's main courses are meat? Would a hostess job be lesser o...
For background, I'm currently an aspiring vegan (I 100% agree with the philosophy but have failed purely due to my lack of self control). I often hear first or second hand about people who tried a vegan diet and it either made them feel worse or supposedly caused some type of illness. How do you respond to these clai...
First off, let me say a great big thanks to the general population of this subreddit. I've been lurking all day and worked my way through some really interesting threads. It's refreshing to see reasoned, adult debate with considerate language being used by most - unfortunately on both sides of the fence there's people...
As a non-vegan, I never understood this. Why do you feel empathy to these animals? They are not humans.
I’m curious to how vegans feel and would respond to someone like MP. A person with a severe autoimmune disorder in there younger years that had a catastrophic affect on her day to day life. After consuming a purely carnivore diet all the symptoms went away and had an unprecedented effect on her health and wellbeing. Wh...
So, I get killing animals and eating meat. I get milk and cow exploitation. But I seriously just don't understand how harvesting honey in a sustainable way is a morally wrong act. Yes, we're "profiting off the labor of those insects" but we people profit off the labor of other people too, and nobody seems to care about...
I am plant-based. I was just reading through the r/vegan page links and was reading the link about honey. It more or less says it’s up to the individual vegan to decide where they land on the topic. So, vegans, where do you land? Currently I consume honey but I think it would be easy enough to cut out if an argument ...
Let me preface by saying that I've been a vegetarian for three years, and I've been entirely plant based for a few months now. In terms of health, environmentalism, economics, and politics, I am completely on board with veganism and I think everyone (at least in modern developed areas where it is feasible) should adopt...
Hey everyone, i'm vegan btw and if I have any of my data wrong or you'd like to add anything, please do! Thought i'd share data about the "But bison tho" claim that I see every now and then, it often goes like this: >**But we had billions of bison many years ago and they weren't causing climate change then, so cows ...
Not vegan, but interested in this angle. My wife wasn't able to breastfeed our two daughters and so we used formula. It literally saved their lives. I know in days gone by there would have been wet nurses to turn to, but not these days; we have modern food technology to thank. Anyone else come across this in a vegan ho...
I know this opinion is going to be really controversial but it’s something I strongly believe in. Lab Grown meat is on the rise and once it becomes mainstream they should ban the animal agricultural industry. The meat industry has had too many horrible consequences. It’s the number one contributor to climate change and...
For years I had a genuine question of why it's okay for animals but not human to eat other animals, but I didn't care enough to think it through. From a quick search this issue seems to be resolved or dismissed by the vegan community, in somewhat unanimity. The gist of the argument is that animals do many things that ...
no they don't see we got to the top of the food chain fair and square morality is an illusion and if morality does exist it's more moral kill them because you gave them a purpose give humans meat and you fulfilled that purpose by killing them animals have the privilege of being born with a purpose no I'm not a sociopat...
Hey, I'm considering going pescatarian, maybe as a stepping-stone into vegetarianism. I would like to know if fish can feel the *emotional* part of pain. Virtually every living thing feels pain in some way, but not all feel the emotional part, as in the distress that comes with being sick or injured. Like, imagine i...
I understand the health and environmental perspective, and the plain fact that thinking about hurting animals instinctively makes me feel bad. But I want to know if there is an objective benefit to making animals happy. Why are we wired to feel bad for their suffering?
In 1991, the U.S. Navy killed thousands of feral goats in [San Clemente Island](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Clemente_Island_goat) - one of the Channel Islands off the coast of California - to save three endemic endangered plant species: *Malacothamnus clementinus*, *Castilleja grisea*, *Delphinium kinkiense*. Aft...
Why must we avoid actions that causes death and suffering to animals?
Twenty studies including 37 134 participants met the inclusion criteria. Compared with omnivores, vegetarians and vegans had lower BMD at the femoral neck and lumbar spine and vegans also had higher fracture rates.
Nothing too big here, just a couple of small questions. There are no natural sources of vitamin B-12 that I can find that do not involve animals, you ether get it from the likes of liver, or you get it from bacteria in the animal body, but you need animals for B-12. Lack of this chemical causes nut-jobs like Youtuber...
Wonderful new video from "Ask Yourself": * https://youtu.be/zuJazFqWgWM
I am originally from Italy, Sardinia (kingdom of Italian Cheese), but I've been living in the US for a while. Getting away from my native place exposed me to the HORRORS of the big scale food industry. I started a journey that brought me back to my homeland, in search of cheese manufacturers that actually cared abou...
I'm a hunter, ask me anything
Hello people who are vegan for different reasons :) , i wanted to ask if you think less of people who eat meat? If so, what do you think of them? If not, how come?
One thing I've been thinking about lately is how I see a lot of vegans around my campus who use phones produced from underage labor, even a few who have been wearing shoes from leather from an animal. Some things that are hard to avoid that you wouldn't even think of, maybe something simple like a lamp, lipstick, or la...
I know this is not the right sub but not sure where else to post. I seem to be banned. My posts don't show up when I check and logout, and I thought it was odd to not be getting replies. I am vegan, was asking for recipes or contributing to discussions, not sure what the issue is. I messaged the mod team and each mo...
ERROR: type should be string, got "https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/rxodyk/veganism_is_fake_news_and_as_a_way_of_life_it/\n\nPost below to r/vegan\n\n>Veganism has not changed in the 30 years since I was one and still the same old stories are regurgitated. Veganism works only on one level, animal deaths and then it should be up to people to have the ethics of whose life is more important, theirs or an animals.\n\n>The same stories of we could use the land for other things, all the crops that feed animals could feed humans, we get more calories if we eat the food directly are arguments I used myself and they are not valid.\n\n>We can't re-purpose non arable land, 86% of what animals eat is inedible by humans, 60% of this is grass, 22% is our wastage, there isn't a shortage of calories, we could just grow sugar or corn syrup.\n\n>What r/vegan has to do is prove that it can replace ALL that we get not just the edible for it to be better environmentally and if people want to say that I don't want an animal killed for me while I live then that is their choice but as long as they know it will make the planet worse environmentally and as long as they are philosophically ok with that then that as I say is their choice.\n\n>Feed crops represent 24% of global crop production by mass, we assumed rapeseed meal, as a byproduct of biodiesel production in Europe, was directed to animal feed However since feed crops like maize, soybeans, and oil seed meal are dense in both calories and protein content, feed crops represent 36% of global calorie production\n\n>We find that on a global basis, crops grown for direct human consumption represent 67% of global crop production (by mass), 55% of global calorie production , and 40% of global plant protein production.\n\nhttps://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/3/034015/pdf\n\n>It's disingenuous to use the word calories when we will never be able to use those calories ourselves as we can't digest them. *86% of this of what animals eat is inedible by humans, 14% is edible. This 14% is not going to replace all that we get.\n\n>It's also deceiving to ourselves if we say only diet needs to be replaced as it ignores all the inedible product we get, something veganism needs to account for and it won't be done from the land that grows 24% by mass that is used for animals, it won't even replace the protein, which is usually classed as meat with the fat trimmed off, all of the other things need to be able to be shown that veganism can replace them otherwise it will be more damaging environmentally.\n \nend of post to r/vegan\n\nVegan's ignore all that we get and somehow think if we just replace diet that they have changed the world, when in my opinion as an ex vegan, they are lying to themselves and others and it should stop. * they also think replacing calories is the same as replacing nutrition, if that were true we could just give people corn syrup and also ignore the inedible that we get, which all needs replacing, not just the edible, chicken feathers boiled for taurine, sinew rendered for the hundreds of thousands of tons for pet food.\n\n>86% of the global livestock feed intake in dry matter consists of feed materials that are not currently edible for humans\n\nhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211912416300013\n\nI have had people say to me 25-100 times more land is needed for animal production, which is demonstrably false, that everything can be replaced by being grown on non-arable land, some don't even know what non-arable means..* they also seem to think reducing land area should be our only metric, without replacing the product that comes off it. Who care's if non arable land area get's reduced, especially as nothing else grows there\n\n*\n\n>We find that on a global basis, crops grown for direct human consumption represent 67% of global crop production (by mass), 55% of global calorie production , and 40% of global plant protein production.\n\n>Feed crops represent 24% of global crop production by mass. However since feed crops like maize, soybeans, and oil seed meal are dense in both calories and protein content, feed crops represent 36% of global calorie production\n\n>21% of food’s emissions comes from crop production for direct human consumption, and 6% comes from the production of animal feed\n\nhttps://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/8/3/034015/pdf\n\n24% by mass or 36% ( considering some of this is after the human content has been removed it a bit much to say this all of this calorie content is just for animals ) is not going to replace all that we get, the edible and inedible\n\nNobody should take a vegans view of how the world should be if they don't know how to replace all that we get based off an ethic that could make the planet worse environmentally especially has it hasn't been proven once that everything that can be replaced.\n\n*\n\nVeganism is only is possible because such a small percentage adhere to it so they are able take from a wide range of foods that might not be possible to supply the variation needed for good health for the general population.\n\n>The modeled removal of animals from the US agricultural system resulted in predictions of a greater total production of food, increases in deficient essential nutrients and excess of energy in the US population’s diet, a potential increase in foods/nutrients that can be exported to other countries, and a decrease of 2.6 percentage units in US GHG emissions. Overall, the removal of animals resulted in diets that are nonviable in the long or short term to support the nutritional needs of the US population without nutrient supplementation. In the plants-only system, the proportion of grain increased 10-fold and all other food types declined. Despite attempts to meet nutrient needs from foods alone within a daily intake of less than 2 kg of food, certain requirements could not be met from available foods. In all simulated diets, vitamins D, E, and K were deficient. Choline was deficient in all scenarios except the system with animals that used domestic currently consumed and exported production. In the plants-only diets, a greater number of nutrients were deficient, including Ca, vitamins A and B12, and EPA, DHA, and arachidonic acid.\n\n>Although not accounted for in this study, it is also important to consider that animal-to-plant ratio is significantly correlated with bioavailability of many nutrients such as Fe, Zn protein, and vitamin A (31). If bioavailability of minerals and vitamins were considered, it is possible that additional deficiencies of plant-based diets would be identified.\n\nhttps://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/114/48/E10301.full.pdf\n\nVegans have linked to me the video or given the opinion that says we can grow other foods in the place of the grasses that corn and wheat are, growing other foods in the place of these crops is going to lower the calorie benefit listed above in the 24% by mass, considering there is a protein and calorie loss from this mass, is this wise or even possible\n\nIn the USA, all agriculture is 10% as emissions. All animals are 5% and ruminants are around 65% of that.\n\nhttps://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions#agriculture https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases#methane\n\nCows are not all of the ruminants but even leaving them as the whole amount for this, any system that replaces the edible and inedible has to be able to show a lowering of 3.25% of emissions to replace everything we get, not just the edible, considering they are mostly on non arable land around the world, anything that replaces this has to show less inputs are needed to get everything we get now.\n\nIf veganism doesn't know how to replace all that we get or even how, should veganism be taken seriously on an environmental aspect ever?"
**I have summarised all this at the end under TL;DR** This is such a confusing topic because I’ve never heard of actual evidence to support either side (but correct me if I’m wrong about that). I apologise if I sound ignorant, and for this essay of a post. Here are some of the points I’ve gathered since going vegan a...
Video reference: https://youtu.be/Eug1You8SH0 It seems to me that this conversation is taking place within a much broader, philosophical and theological setting - a setting that makes the topic of veganism almost TOO small or TOO acute to be useful or relevant. Having watched a fair amount of Ed's content (and been l...
I understand you value animal lives. So lets take a dog for example how much more or less value does it have over a human? If it's equal would you save a dog over a human or would it be up to chance?
Been reading that soy is really bad for you. Does the term soy-boy have any truth to it?
I completly agree with veganism but i lost all hope in it I dont see a future where this fucked up system gets any better so why should i even bother? I also have grown extremely apathetic about the living beings that are being slaughtered to the point where i dont care about what or who i am eating I only continue ...
Vegas, a lot of your arguments are great, but I think it breaks down when it comes to attacking thd "Plants are alive too" argument. You say that you draw the line at sentient living things. So plants don't count. You do realize how arbitrary this is, right? There's no reason or logic behind it, that's just how YOU thi...
In a previous post, people discussed epidemiological studies that show a negative association between meat consumption and depression [1]. People rightfully pointed out the association could be due to confounding variables. This consensus was reflected in the top comment, questioning the likelihood of there being some ...
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So as an non vegan, im curious where does the line of morality begin when it comes to veganism and the supply chain of the production of vegan food. Whether it be through accidental slaughter of living animals through cultivation or transportation.
Oysters or a venus fly trap? Which would you eat if you had to choose one?
I am not a vegetarian. I raise these precious animals myself, and I process them myself, because I know they have had a good, healthy life. They live outside, in the sunshine. They get to play, eat, sleep. They are protected from predators. They are not raised confined to a feed lot, or inside a concrete building. They...
First, the difference between introduced and invasive species. Introduced species are non native but cause no harm. Invasive species are non native and cause active harm to an ecosystem. Take Asian carp, for instance. Silver, bighead, grass, and common carp cause harm to ecosystems by decreasing biodiversity, competin...
Hey guys, I just wanted to submit some of my thoughts about meat eating and the context of veganism, and maybe get some counter-points. For the purpose of this post, I would like to keep factory farming and the American meat industry out of the discussion. That topic is huge and would only distract from what I'm gettin...
I hope this is the right place for this, if not I'll be happy to delete/move this post. My mother has recently decided to become vegan after being vegetarian for ~40 years. I know that she made this decision primarily for animal welfare reasons, and she no longer drinks milk (she was already avoidant of most animal by...
That's my question. Pests = mice, rats; that will chew through things and poop on your stuff. This is a health hazard.
I've read a lot of vegans on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube and come to the conclusion that the aggressive, ALF supporters maybe bad for veganism as a whole. Sub genres of vegans show up when supermeat is mentioned or when dietary habits of dogs and cats are enquired. Gary Yourofsky's comments on the Nepal earthquake ...
What's your rebuttal? I am tired at debating. My brain is shutting down and I need help.
First of all this is a rare situation. But one could conceivably develop a back mounted pistol or long gun perhaps for a war effort. Russians have been known to train dolphins and whales as scouts. Pigeons were used in war and we all know about dogs. Okay, so you're approached by an armed animal. The animal does not k...
I’ve seen comments from people saying they won’t, for example, buy a veg burger from McDonald’s because they don’t want to support the company. McDonald’s almost certainly has an entire team of people - accountants, marketers, etc. - analyzing the profitability, growth potential, etc of the vegan food market. One of th...
I'm pro-choice on abortion politically because I think the consequences of the ban are worse than the act itself, but I'll admit that it makes me very uncomfortable, and given the choice for myself only, I probably wouldn't go through with it, especially if armed with scientific knowledge that at a certain point it mus...
I've worked at an organic farm for about a year. The products we use to fertilize our fields all contain animal parts: blood, bones, ground up lobsters, etc. We sell a huge variety of fertilizers that are approved for organic growing in our farmstand and they all contain animal products. So, if we use animal parts to f...
I say internet because no vegan has said this to me in real life, so I don't mean all vegans. This seems to come from a single source, a talk from. Dr. Milton Mills in which he cherry picks aninals to make humans match up to an herbivore. Alternatively it will say frugivore instead of herbivore, but the reasoning is t...
While it is understandable that everyone may have some different views within a group, I found myself debating with someone who subscribed to the idea that veganism is a Kingdomist viewpoint. I disagreed by saying that based on arguments, it seems like a vegan would not be in opposition with granting other things besi...
To be clear, this is **not** an argument against veganism. It is a question related to the marginal cases argument. Suppose a human baby with zero social ties is in a burning house and there is also a cow in a burning barn. You can save only one. The cow is an herbivore, so no sentient beings will suffer as a result ...
Is it to eventually have a majority or everyone become vegan? Is it to minimize harm done to animals? What is the big picture is what I'm asking. :) Edit: well everyone, it's been a pleasure discussing with you all, I'm going to bed now but will reply more in the morning, thank you all for your insights, and the mos...
I have been aquiring the new hobby of arguing with vegans apparently. Since I work in the medical field and have to provide diet recommendations sometimes I read basically every study I can get my hands on and have the time for. I also never argue the ethical point with vegans since I am strictly interested in the be...
take note : not all mutations are bad, it can be good in the means of increasing of survival or getting rid of unwanted feature. For example humans used to be so hairy (for thermoregulation) and they have wisdom tooth (for cutting raw meat) but in the presence of fire and other innovations we don't need those kin...
[https://www.veganlifemag.com/diamond-mining/](https://www.veganlifemag.com/diamond-mining/) Humans want shiny things so the earth is destroyed, yes i know that we desire fancy cars and pretty houses or brand name clothes but those things have secondary values, we drive them, live in them or wear them A diamond...
Is it just as bad to kill an ant as it is a cow?
I'm not a vegan or vegetarian, and I doubt I ever will be, because I'm extremely selfish and lazy, and I love the taste of meat and animal products too much. But there's no logical way to disagree with anything they say. Animals are innocent, sentient beings. And when you pay for meat and animal products, you are payin...
I'm from a country where eating insects in something normal and socially acceptable. Is eating insects bad for vegans? I saw a post about eating clams and muscles and most of you seem to think it's alright because they aren't sentient. What about bugs, like crickets or ants?
First let me start off with: I am not here to fight. You have my full and total respect for the vegan life choices. I consider myself as a non vegan that tries everything I can to source my animal products ethically. I only eat meat twice a week, which I buy from a free range farm where the cows are slaughtered on lo...
Is it wrong to eat meat?
Animals being equalized with humans and humans being categorized as in the animal kingdom happens daily in the vegan community. Veganism often compares animal suffering to human suffering and environmental suffering. We all know that porn traffics and abuses men, women and children every single day in horrific ways...
What are we to do for animals that literally cannot be vegan. Like Dogs, and Cats? They are incapable of survival based on plants alone. Sorry my question is so short. I am not the most eloquent fellow.
Sounds stupid but I have a rather important question and the crux of the argument relies on vegans not eating snails. In the end vegans (who choose not to eat/use animal based products because of their disagreement with harming animals) will still eat a salad. This salad could be made from leaves which have been sur...
Why should we support veganism when there are ways where exploiting and being cruel to animals can be for their own good or where doing something that's not vegan is going to help out animals more than being vegan? I can list multiple ways * rewilding livestock back to their untarnished forms * animal sanctuaries * s...
So I live a rural part of Louisiana and as most here can guess there ain’t many vegans were I live so most of the locals hunt, fish and grow gardens. I don’t personally hunt but I do enjoy fishing just hanging out with a buddy or my father and we drink and have fun and if we don’t catch something oh well we still had f...
Why do we never see stories and articles on successful vegans aka the majority vegans who eat a whole food plant based diet but keep getting news on fruitarians who starve themselves with fruits and few raw veggies?
I was reading an article about an individual who decided to try out the diet and workout regimen that Duane "The Rock" Johnson follows daily. Essentially it's about 10lbs of food a day at around 5000 calories, and about a quarter of weight in food alone comes from fish. The rest is eggs, steak, chicken, fruits and vege...
Insects, arachnids and crustaceans are all, arguably, sentient beings. But they are killed intentionally all the time, I suspect, even by vegans. Swatting flies and killing cockroaches. Yet these same vegans believe it is cruel to eat shrimp, keep scorpions as pets or in a zoo, or perform beekeeping. Unlike flies or co...
I mean, it's not like I personally go to a field pick out a juicy cow and say yeah I'll have you for steak tonight please. I would go to a restaurant where the cow had already been killed and prepared, it's going to get eaten whether that's me or somebody else. The same with animal products in supermarkets, they will e...
Lets say you have two two different 10-acre plots of land, A and B. Assume you have unlimited clean water and the soil is nutrient rich. Plot A is set up as an annual crop rotation, with sub-plots for fruit, legumes, ancient grains, and vegetables. Basically, grow as many food-bearing plants as you can get away with. ...
I’m trending that way. I love all life and am also trying to become a better person. All that said, I have a question for you all. It’s kinda different I think. Here goes, I was just reading the ingredients for a stick of I can’t believe it’s not butter. It says it’s vegan friendly. But it’s made from palm oil. I’ve ...
1. Every post against veganism is downvoted. Ive browsed many small and large subreddits, but this is the only one where every post discussing the intended topic is downvoted. Writing a post is generally more effort than writing a reply, this subreddit even has other rules like the poster being obligated to reply to ...
So let's say that 80% of people stop eating meat. What happens when the meat industry lays off huge swaths of the workforce? Can the economy handle that many people leaving the workforce? Is an animal's well-being worth more than the families of people who work in the meat industry? We've seen what happens when industr...
One of the most common arguments on any r/futurology post about anything related to animal agriculture is: farmed animals, such as cows, pigs, or chickens, will go entirely extinct if we become a vegan world. First of all, let’s just start with that idea being true. What is the problem with them going extinct? We are ...
I'm a dietary vegan and working on other aspects. I've learned a lot of hand soaps have animal products. I was at my mom's house over the household and she had honey in one soap and silk in another. Plus there are others with lots of animal byproducts, or traditional soap has animal fat. Do you guys bring hand soap w...
This is from my experience apparently a really hot take among some people. Cross-contamination should not be a concern for vegans, but apparently it is. Vegan chicken nuggets fried with the same oil used for actual chicken is apparently a vegan sin - despite the oil being vegan, and consuming those nuggets having no ...
I submit the following points: * Gastronomy is a mental health issue. * American Gastronomy has been systematically ruined. * Poverty is an assault on mental and physical health. * Consumers are not morally responsible for the behavior of land owners and "voting with your dollar" is a Capitalist fraud. * Land owners ...
I’ve been reducing my meat intake for a few years but whenever I try to cut it out entirely I feel horrible. Basically chronic fatigue symptoms. I’ve read recently that in the us 60% of organ meat is wasted compared to 10% of normal meat. Eating this seem like it would contribute significantly less to animal suffering ...
This is a question I've wanted to ask vegans, esp the ones who believe that "carnists are stupid/brainwashed/etc", "veganism is the absolute truth" or "if you value humans and not animals your morality is inconsistent". Why do you think that majority of philosophers/ethicists are non-vegan and hold that veganism is *n...
Generally, vegans say that it's not that animals are equal to humans, it's just that they have enough value such that killing them unnecessarily is unjustified. But how can this be the case? >**P1.** Infants and the intellectually disabled (so-called "marginal cases") are equal in moral value to all other humans > ...
To me this doesn't seem unethical, but I'm curious what people here would have to say. Seems like a waste to let a full grown cow die and not be used for food after it has grazed on a farm for years.
Vegans should be antinatalists to be consistent with their ethics. ### The Asymmetry > (C1) If a potential person will likely live a life of severe suffering, then we would think that it is unethical to create that person. (C2) However, we wouldn't think it is unethical not to create a person who would live an amazin...
I'm genuinely asking and not looking for a fight! My mom recently got a few chickens, she raises them in her yard, they have a pretty good life, she only has females and has zero intent of killing them and just let's them do their thing. Sometimes they lay eggs (unfertelized of course) And I am not completely sure w...
For context, I have a very low-meat diet and eat vegetarian probably 90% of the time. I am constantly questioning my dietary choices and which is the best balance of sound nutrition and low environmental impact. If I do buy meat, I try to buy grass-fed, local and organic and see little issue with this (environmentally...
I tried cutting out animal products, and I ate VERY healthily. I had an app to make sure I was getting the proper amount of everything, from calories to nutrients. That being said, I still ended up just plain not feeling well. I lacked energy, had brain fog, was nauseous, and I got sick much more often. After a couple ...