Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 101725
Subject: Re: Lexan Polish?
From: jeff@mri.com (Jonathan Jefferies)

In article <C41soE.M62@ns1.nodak.edu> wilken@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Wilken) writes:
>A couple of years ago I replaced the stock windscreen on my Interceptor
>with a higher one from National Cycle.  The thing happens to be made of
>Lexan.
>
>Can anyone recommend a polish to use on it that is safe for lexan?  Its
>starting to show a few scratches, and id like to polish them out..
>Go FAST!            |  Internet:  wilken@plains.nodak.edu   |     AMA #587126 
>Take Chances!       |     UUCP: ..!uunet!plains!wilken      |     DoD #0087 
>VF700F Interceptor  |        Bitnet:  WILKEN@PLAINS         |   

Suggest McQuires #1 plastic polish.  It will help somewhat but nothing 
will remove deep scratches without making it worse than it already is.
McQuires will do something for fine or light stuff.

Also suggest calling your local plastic shop.  In Calif. "TAP PLASTIC" is
a chain that carries most of what is needed for repair and sometimes
replacement of plastic bits.  Telephone in the Bay area is 415-962-8430.
I'm not sure how amenable they are to shipping.  I have found that they
have several excellent products for cleaning, and removing crap from
windscreens and face shields.  Also they have one called "lift-it" which
works real well in removing sticky stuffs such as adhessives from plastic
wihtout scratching same.

Luck,

Jonathan Jefferies, jeff@mri.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 102616
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: FAQ - What is the DoD?

This is a periodic posting intended to answer the Frequently Asked
Question: What is the DoD? It is posted the first of each month, with
an expiration time of over a month. Thus, unless your site's news
software is ill-mannered, this posting should always be available.
This WitDoDFAQ is crossposted to all four rec.motorcycles groups in an
attempt to catch most new users, and followups are directed to
rec.motorcycles.

Last changed 9-Feb-93 to add a message from the KotL, and a bit of
Halon.

			VERSION 1.1

This collection was originally assembled by Lissa Shoun, from the
original postings. With Lissa's permission, I have usurped the title of
KotWitDoDFAQ. Any corrections, additions, bribes, etc. should be aimed at
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com.

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Contents:
How do I get a DoD number?	by Blaine Gardner	DoD #46
DoD "Road Rider" article	by Bruce Tanner		DoD #161
What is the DoD?		by John Sloan		DoD #11
The DoD Logo			by Chuck Rogers		DoD #3
The DoD  (this started it all)	by The Denizen of Doom	DoD #1
The DoD Anthem			by Jonathan Quist	DoD #94
Why you have to be killed	by Blaine Gardner	DoD #46
The rec.moto.photo.archive	courtesy of Bruce Tanner DoD #161
Patches? What patches?		by Blaine Gardner	DoD #46
Letter from the AMA museum      by Jim Rogers, Director DoD #395
The DoD Rules			by consensus
Other rec.moto resources	by various Keepers	DoD #misc
The rec.moto.reviews.archive	courtesy of Loki Jorgenson DoD #1210
Updated stats & rides info	by Ed Green (DoD #111) and others

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			How do I get a DoD number?

If the most Frequently Asked Question in rec.motorcycles is "What is the
DoD?", then the second most Frequently Asked Question must be "How do I
get a DoD number?" That is as simple as asking the Keeper of the List
(KotL, accept no substitue Keepers) for a number. If you're feeling
creative, and your favorite number hasn't been taken already, you can
make a request, subject to KotL approval. (Warning, non-numeric, non-
base-10 number requests are likely to earn a flame from the KotL. Not
that you won't get it, but you _will_ pay for it.)

Oh, and just one little, tiny suggestion. Ask the KotL in e-mail. You'll
just be playing the lightning rod for flames if you post to the whole
net, and you'll look like a clueless newbie too.

By now you're probably asking "So who's the KotL already?". Well, as
John Sloan notes below, that's about the only real "secret" left around
here, but a few (un)subtle hints can be divulged. First, it is not myself,
nor anyone mentioned by name in this posting (maybe :-), though John was
the original KotL. Second, in keeping with the true spirit of Unix, the
KotL's first name is only two letters long, and can be spelled entirely
with hexadecimal characters. (2.5, the KotL shares his name with a line-
oriented text utility.) Third, he has occasionally been seen posting
messages bestowing new DoD numbers (mostly to boneheads with "weenie
mailers"). Fourth, there is reason to suspect the KotL of being a
Dead-Head.

***************** Newsflash: A message from the KotL ******************

Once you have surmounted this intellectual pinnacle and electronically
groveled to the KotL, please keep in mind that the KotL does indeed
work for a living, and occasionally must pacify its boss by getting
something done.  Your request may languish in mailer queue for (gasp!)
days, perhaps even (horrors!) a week or two.  During such times of
economic activity on the part of the KotL's employers, sending yet
another copy of your request will not speed processing of the queue (it
just makes it longer, verification of this phenominon is left as an
excersize for the reader).  If you suspect mailer problems, at least
annotate subsequent requests with an indication that a former request
was submitted, lest you be assigned multiple numbers (what, you think
the KotL *memorizes* the list?!?).

***********************************************************************

One more thing, the KotL says that its telepathic powers aren't what
they used to be. So provide some information for the list, will ya?
The typical DoD List entry contains number, name, state/country, &
e-mail address. For example:

0111:Ed Green:CA:ed.green@East.Sun.COM

(PS: While John mentions below that net access and a bike are the only
requirements for DoD membership, that's not strictly true these days, as
there are a number of Denizens who lack one or both.)

Blaine (Dances With Bikers) Gardner   blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com

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            "Denizens of Doom", by Bruce Tanner (DoD 0161)

      [Road Rider, August 1991, reprinted with Bruce's permission]

There is a group of motorcyclists that gets together and does all the normal 
things that a bunch of bikers do.  They discuss motorcycles and  
motorcycling, beverages, cleaning fluids, baklavah, balaclava, caltrops,  
helmets, anti-fog shields, spine protectors, aerodynamics, three-angle valve
seats, bird hits, deer whistles, good restaurants, racing philosophy, 
traffic laws, tickets, corrosion control, personalities, puns, double 
entendres, culture, absence of culture, first rides and friendship.  They 
argue with each other and plan rides together.

The difference between this group and your local motorcycle club is that, 
although they get together just about everyday, most have never seen each 
other face to face.  The members of this group live all over the known world 
and communicate with each other electronically via computer.

The computers range from laptops to multi-million dollar computer centers;  
the people range from college and university students to high-tech industry 
professionals to public-access electronic bulletin-board users.  Currently, 
rec.motorcycles (pronounced "wreck-dot-motorcycles," it's the file name for 
the group's primary on-line "meeting place") carries about 2250 articles per 
month;  it is read by an estimated 29,000 people.  Most of the frequent 
posters belong to a motorcycle club, the Denizens of Doom, usually referred 
to as the DoD.

The DoD started when motorcyclist John R. Nickerson wrote a couple of 
parodies designed to poke fun at motorcycle stereotypes.  Fellow computer 
enthusiast Bruce Robinson posted these articles under the pen name, "Denizen 
of Doom."  A while later Chuck Rogers signed off as DoD nr. 0003 Keeper of 
the Flame.  Bruce was then designated DoD nr. 0002, retroactively and, of 
course, Nickerson, the originator of the parodies, was given DoD nr. 0001.

The idea of a motorcycle club with no organization, no meetings and no rules 
appealed to many, so John Sloan -- DoD nr. 0011 -- became Keeper of the 
List, issuing DoD numbers to anyone who wanted one.  To date there have been 
almost 400 memberships issued to people all over the United States and 
Canada, as well as Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, France, 
Germany, Norway and Finland.

Keeper of the List Sloan eventually designed a club patch.  The initial run 
of 300 patches sold out immediately.  The profits from this went to the 
American Motorcycle Heritage Foundation.  Another AMHF fund raiser -- 
selling Denizens of Doom pins to members -- was started by Arnie Skurow a 
few months later.  Again, the project was successful and the profits were 
donated to the foundation.  So far, the Denizens have contributed over $1500 
to the AMA museum.  A plaque in the name of the Denizens of Doom now hangs 
in the Motorcycle Heritage Museum.

As often as possible, the DoD'ers crawl out from behind their CRTs and go 
riding together.  It turns out that the two largest concentrations of 
DoD'ers are centered near Denver/Boulder, Colorado, and in California's 
"Silicon Valley."  Consequently, two major events are the annual Assault on 
Rollins Pass in Colorado, and the Northern versus Southern California 
"Joust."

The Ride-and-Feed is a bike trip over Rollins Pass, followed by a big 
barbecue dinner.  The concept for the Joust is to have riders from Northern 
California ride south; riders from Southern California to ride north, 
meeting at a predesignated site somewhere in the middle.  An additional plan 
for 1991 is to hold an official Denizens of Doom homecoming in conjunction 
with the AMA heritage homecoming in Columbus, Ohio, in July.

Though it's a safe bet the the Denizens of Doom and their collective 
communications hub, rec.motorcycles, will not replace the more traditional 
motorcycle organizations, for those who prowl the electronic pathways in 
search of two-wheeled camaraderie, it's a great way for kindred spirits to 
get together.  Long may they flame.


"Live to Flame -- Flame to Live"	[centerbar]

This official motto of the Denizens of Doom refers to the ease with which 
you can gratuitously insult someone electronically, when you would not do 
anything like that face to face.  These insults are known as "flames";  
issuing them is called "flaming."  Flames often start when a member 
disagrees with something another member has posted over the network.  A 
typical, sophisticated, intelligent form of calm, reasoned rebuttal would be 
something like:  "What an incredibly stupid statement, you Spandex-clad 
poseur!"  This will guarantee that five other people will reply in defense 
of the original poster, describing just what they think of you, your riding 
ability and your cat.

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          _The Denizens of Doom: The Saga Unfolds_

                  by John Sloan  DoD #0011

Periodically the question "What is DoD?" is raised. This is one of
those questions in the same class as "Why is the sky blue?", "If there
is a God, why is there so much suffering in the world?" and "Why do
women inevitably tell you that you're such a nice guy just before they
dump you?", the kinds of questions steeped in mysticism, tradition,
and philosophy, questions that have inspired research and discussion
by philosophers in locker rooms, motorcycle service bays, and in the
halls of academe for generations. 

A long, long time ago (in computer time, where anything over a few
minutes is an eternity and the halting problem really is a problem) on
a computer far, far away on the net (topologically speaking; two
machines in the same room in Atlanta might route mail to one another
via a system in Chicago), a chap who wished to remain anonymous (but
who was eventually assigned the DoD membership #1) wrote a satire of
the various personalities and flame wars of rec.motorcycles, and
signed it "The Denizen of Doom". Not wishing to identify himself, he
asked that stalwart individual who would in the fullness of time
become DoD #2 to post it for him. DoD #2, not really giving a whit
about what other people thought and generally being a right thinking
individual, did so.  Flaming and other amusements followed. 

He who would become the holder of DoD membership #3 thought this was
the funniest thing he'd seen in a while (being the sort that is pretty
easily amused), so he claimed membership in the Denizens of Doom
Motorcycle Club, and started signing his postings with his membership
number. 

Perhaps readers of rec.motorcycles were struck with the vision of a
motorcycle club with no dues, no rules, no restrictions as to brand or
make or model or national origin of motorcycle, a club organized
electronically.  It may well be that readers were yearning to become a
part of something that would provide them with a greater identity, a
gestalt personality, something in which the whole was greater than the
sum of its parts.  It could also be that we're all computer nerds who
wear black socks and sneakers and pocket protectors, who just happen
to also love taking risks on machines with awesome power to weight
ratios, social outcasts who saw a clique that would finally be open
minded enough to accept us as members. 

In a clear case of self fulfilling prophesy, The Denizens of Doom
Motorcycle Club was born. A club in which the majority of members have
never met one another face to face (and perhaps like it that way), yet
feel that they know one another pretty well (or well enough given some
of the electronic personalities in the newsgroup). A club organized
and run (in the loosest sense of the word) by volunteers through the
network via electronic news and mail, with a membership/mailing list
(often used to organize group rides amongst members who live in the
same region), a motto, a logo, a series of photo albums circulating
around the country (organized by DoD #9), club patches (organized by
#11), and even an MTV-style music video (produced by #47 and
distributed on VHS by #18)! 

Where will it end? Who knows? Will the DoD start sanctioning races,
placing limits on the memory and clock rate of the on-board engine
management computers? Will the DoD organize poker runs where each
participant collects a hand of hardware and software reference cards?
Will the DoD have a rally in which the attendees demand a terminal
room and at least a 386-sized UNIX system? Only time will tell. 

The DoD has no dues, no rules, and no requirements other than net
access and a love for motorcycles. To become a member, one need only
ask (although we will admit that who you must ask is one of the few
really good club secrets). New members will receive via email a
membership number and the latest copy of the membership list, which
includes name, state, and email address. 

The Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club will live forever (or at least
until next year when we may decided to change the name). 

                  Live to Flame - Flame to Live

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     The DoD daemon as seen on the patches, pins, etc. by

	Chuck Rogers,  car377@druhi.att.com,  DoD #0003
 

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                      The DoD

              by the Denizen of Doom    DoD #1
 
Welcome one and all to the flamingest, most wonderfullest newsgroup of
all time: wreck.mudder-disciples or is it reak.mudder-disciples? The
Names have been changes to protect the Guilty (riders) and Innocent
(the bikes) alike. If you think you recognize a contorted version of
your name, you don't. It's just your guilt complex working against
you. Read 'em and weep. 

We tune in on a conversation between some of our heros. Terrible
Barbarian is extolling the virtues of his Hopalonga Puff-a-cane to
Reverend Muck Mudgers and Stompin Fueling-Injection: 

Terrible: This Hopalonga is the greatest... Beats BMWs dead!! 

Muck: I don't mean to preach, Terrible, but lighten up on the BMW
     crowd eh?  I mean like I like riding my Yuka-yuka Fudgeo-Jammer
     11 but what the heck.  

Stompin: No way, the BMW is it, complete, that's all man.

Terrible: Nahhhh, you're sounding like Heritick Ratatnack! Hey, at
     least he is selling his BMW and uses a Hopalonga Intercorruptor!
     Not as good as a Puff-a-cane, should have been called a
     Woosh-a-stream.

Stompin: You mean Wee-Stream.

Terrible: Waddya going to do? Call in reinforcements???

Stompin: Yehh man. Here comes Arlow Scarecrow and High Tech. Let's see
     what they say, eh? 

Muck: Now men, let's try to be civil about this.

High Tech: Hi, I'm a 9 and the BMW is the greatest.

Arlow: Other than my B.T. I love my BMW!

Terrible: B.T.???

Arlow: Burley Thumpison, the greatest all American ride you can own.

Muck: Ahhh, look, you're making Terrible gag.

Terrible: What does BMW stand for anyway??? 

Muck, Arlow, High: Beats Me, Wilhelm.

Terrible: Actually, my name is Terrible. Hmmm, I don't know either.

Muck: Say, here comes Chunky Bear.

Chunky: Hey, Hey, Hey! Smarter than your average bear!

Terrible: Hey, didn't you drop your BMW???

Chunky: All right eh, a little BooBoo, but I left him behind. I mean 
     even Villy Ogle flamed me for that! 

Muck: It's okay, we all makes mistakes.

Out of the blue the West coasters arrive, led by Tread Orange with
Dill Snorkssy, Heritick Ratatnack, Buck Garnish, Snob Rasseller and
the perenial favorite: Hooter Boobin Brush! 

Heritick: Heya Terrible, how's yer front to back bias?

Terrible: Not bad, sold yer BMW?

Heritick: Nahhh.

Hooter: Hoot, Hoot.

Buck: Nice tree Hooter, how'd ya get up there?

Hooter: Carbujectors from Hell!!!

Muck: What's a carbujector?

Hooter: Well, it ain't made of alumican!!! Made by Tilloslert!!

Muck: Ahh, come on down, we aren't going to flame ya, honest!!

Dill: Well, where do we race?

Snob: You know, Chunky, we know about about your drop and well, don't
     ride! 

Muck: No! No! Quiet!

Tread: BMW's are the greatest in my supreme level headed opinion.
     They even have luggage made by Sourkraut!

High: My 9 too!

Terrible, Heritick, Dill, Buck: Nahhhhh!!!

Stompin, Tread, High, Chunky, Snob: Yesss Yessssss!!!

Before this issue could be resolved the Hopalonga crew called up more
cohorts from the local area including Polyanna Stirrup and the
infamous Booster Robiksen on his Cavortin! 

Polyanna: Well, men, the real bikers use stirrups on their bikes like
     I use on my Hopalonga Evening-Bird Special. Helpful for getting
     it up on the ole ventral stand!  

Terrible: Hopalonga's are great like Polyanna says and Yuka-Yuka's and
     Sumarikis and Kersnapis are good too! 

Booster: I hate Cavortin.

All: WE KNOW, WE KNOW.

Booster: I love Cavortin.

All: WE KNOW WE KNOW.

Muck: Well, what about Mucho Guzlers and Lepurras?

Snob, Tread: Nawwwwww.

Muck: What about a Tridump?

Terrible: Isn't that a chewing gum?

Muck: Auggggg, Waddda about a Pluck-a-kity?

Heritick: Heyya Muck, you tryin' to call up the demon rider himself?

Muck: No, no. There is more to Mudder-Disciples than arguing about make.

Two more riders zoom in, in the form of Pill Turret and Phalanx Lifter.
Pill: Out with dorsal stands and ventral stands forever.

Phalanx: Hey, I don't know about that.

And Now even more west coasters pour in.
Road O'Noblin: Hopalonga's are the greatest!

Maulled Beerstein: May you sit on a bikejector!

Suddenly more people arrived from the great dark nurth:
Kite Lanolin: Hey, BMW's are great, men.

Robo-Nickie: I prefer motorcycle to robot transformers, personally.

More riders from the west coast come into the discussion:
Aviator Sourgas: Get a Burley-Thumpison with a belted-rigged frame.

Guess Gasket: Go with a BMW or Burley-Thumpison.

With a roar and a screech the latest mudder-disciple thundered in. It
was none other that Clean Bikata on her Hopalonga CaBammerXorn. 
Clean: Like look, Hopalonga are it but only CaBammerXorns. 

Muck: Why??

Clean: Well, like it's gotta be a 6-banger or nothin.

Muck: But I only have a 4-banger.

Clean: No GOOD!

Chunky: Sob, some of us only have 2-bangers!

Clean: Inferior!

Stompin: Hey, look, here's proof BMW's are better. The Bimmer-Boys
burst into song: (singing) Beemer Babe, Beemer Babe give me a
thrill... 

Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Wadddoes BMW stand for? 

Heritick, Stompin, Snob, Chunky, Tread, Kite, High, Arlow: BEAT'S ME,
     WILHEM! 

Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Oh, don't you mean BMW? 

And so the ensuing argument goes until the skies clouded over and the
thunder roared and the Greatest Mudder-Disciple (G.M.D.) of them all
boomed out.
G.M.D.: Enough of your bickering! You are doomed to riding
     Bigot & Suction powered mini-trikes for your childish actions. 

All: no, No, NO!!! Puhlease.

Does this mean that all of the wreck.mudder-disciples will be riding
mini-trikes?  Are our arguing heros doomed?  Tune in next week for the
next gut wretching episode of "The Yearning and Riderless" with its
ever increasing cast of characters.  Where all technical problems will
be flamed over until well done.  Next week's episode will answer the
question of: "To Helmet or Not to Helmet" will be aired, this is heady
material and viewer discretion is advised. 

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          Script for the Denizens of Doom Anthem Video

                by Jonathan E. Quist   DoD #94


[Scene:  A sterile engineering office.  A lone figure, whom we'll call
Chuck, stands by a printer output bin, wearing a white CDC lab coat,
with 5 mechanical pencils in a pocket protector.] 

(editor's note: For some reason a great deal of amusement was had at
the First Annual DoD Uni-Coastal Ironhorse Ride & Joust by denizens
referring to each other as "Chuck". I guess you had to be there. I
wasn't.) 

Chuck:  I didn't want to be a Software Systems Analyst,
 cow-towing to the whims of a machine, and saying yessir, nosir,
 may-I-have-another-sir.  My mother made me do it.  I wanted
 to live a man's life,
[Music slowly builds in background]
 riding Nortons and Triumphs through the highest mountain passes
 and the deepest valleys,
 living the life of a Motorcyclist;
 doing donuts and evading the police;
 terrorizing old ladies and raping small children;
 eating small dogs for tea (and large dogs for dinner).  In short,

	I Want to be      A Denizen!

[Chuck rips off his lab coat, revealing black leather jacket (with
fringe), boots, and cap.  Scene simultaneously changes to the top of
an obviously assaulted Rollins Pass.  A small throng of Hell's Angels
sit on their Harleys in the near background, gunning their engines,
showering lookers-on with nails as they turn donuts, and leaking oil
on the tarmac.  Chuck is standing in front of a heavily chromed Fat
Boy.] 

Chuck [Sings to the tune of "The Lumberjack Song"]:

I'm a Denizen and I'm okay,
I flame all night and I ride all day.

[Hell's Angels Echo Chorus, surprisingly heavy on tenors]:
He's a Denizen and he's okay,
He flames all night and he rides all day.

I ride my bike;
I eat my lunch;
I go to the lavat'ry.
On Wednesdays I ride Skyline,
Running children down with glee.

[Chorus]:
He rides his bike;
He eats his lunch;
He goes to the lavat'ry.
On Wednesdays he rides Skyline,
Running children down with glee.

[Chorus refrain]:
'Cause He's a Denizen...

I ride real fast,
My name is Chuck,
It somehow seems to fit.
I over-rate the worst bad f*ck,
But like a real good sh*t.

Oh, I'm a Denizen and I'm okay!
I flame all night and I ride all day.

[Chorus refrain]:
Oh, He's a Denizen...

I wear high heels
And bright pink shorts,
 full leathers and a bra.
I wish I rode a Harley,
 just like my dear mama.

[Chorus refrain]

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                    Why you have to be killed.

Well, the first thing you have to understand (just in case you managed
to read this far, and still not figure it out) is that the DoD started
as a joke. And in the words of one Denizen, it intends to remain one.

Sometime in the far distant past, a hapless newbie asked: "What does DoD
stand for? It's not the Department of Defense is it?" Naturally, a
Denizen who had watched the movie "Top Gun" a few times too many rose
to the occasion and replied:

"That's classified, we could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you."

And the rest is history.

A variation on the "security" theme is to supply disinformation about
what DoD stands for. Notable contributions (and contributers, where
known) include:

Daughters of Democracy (DoD 23)		Doers of Donuts
Dancers of Despair (DoD 9)		Debasers of Daughters
Dickweeds of Denver			Driveway of Death
Debauchers of Donuts			Dumpers of Dirtbikes

Note that this is not a comprehensive list, as variations appear to be
limited only by the contents of one's imagination or dictionary file.

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                     The rec.moto.photo archive

First a bit of history, this all started with Ilana Stern and Chuck
Rogers organizing a rec.motorcycles photo album. Many copies were made,
and several sets were sent on tours around the world, only to vanish in
unknown locations. Then Bruce Tanner decided that it would be appropriate
for an electronic medium to have an electronic photo album. Bruce has not
only provided the disk space and ftp & e-mail access, but he has taken
the time to scan most of the photos that are available from the archive.

Not only can you see what all these folks look like, you can also gawk
at their motorcycles. A few non-photo files are available from the
server too, they include the DoD membership list, the DoD Yellow Pages,
the general rec.motorcycles FAQ, and this FAQ posting.

Here are a couple of excerpts from from messages Bruce posted about how
to use the archive.

**********************************************************

Via ftp:

cerritos.edu [130.150.200.21]

Via e-mail:

The address is server@cerritos.edu.  The commands are given in the body of the
message.  The current commands are DIR and SEND, given one per line.  The
arguments to the commands are VMS style file specifications.  For
rec.moto.photo the file spec is [DOD]file.  For example, you can send:

dir [dod]
send [dod]bruce_tanner.gif
send [dod]dodframe.ps

and you'll get back 5 mail messages; a directory listing, 3 uuencoded parts
of bruce_tanner.gif, and the dodframe.ps file in ASCII.

Oh, wildcards (*) are allowed, but a maximum of 20 mail messages (rounded up to
the next whole file) are send.  A 'send [dod]*.gif' would send 150 files of
50K each; not a good idea.
-- 
Bruce Tanner        (213) 860-2451 x 596    Tanner@Cerritos.EDU
Cerritos College    Norwalk, CA             cerritos!tanner

**********************************************************

A couple of comments: Bruce has put quite a bit of effort into this, so
why not drop him a note if you find the rec.moto.photo archive useful?
Second, since Bruce has provided the server as a favor, it would be kind
of you to access it after normal working hours (California time). 

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                      Patches? What patches?

You may have heard mention of various DoD trinkets such as patches &
pins. And your reaction was probably: "I want!", or "That's sick!", or
perhaps "That's sick! I want!"

Well, there's some good news and some bad news. The good news is that
there's been an amazing variety of DoD-labeled widgets created. The bad
news is that there isn't anywhere you can buy any of them. This isn't
because of any "exclusivity" attempt, but simply because there is no
"DoD store" that keeps a stock. All of the creations have been done by
individual Denizens out of their own pockets. The typical procedure is
someone says "I'm thinking of having a DoD frammitz made, they'll cost
$xx.xx, with $xx.xx going to the AMA museum. Anyone want one?" Then
orders are taken, and a batch of frammitzes large enough to cover the
pre-paid orders is produced (and quickly consumed). So if you want a
DoD doodad, act quickly the next time somebody decides to do one. Or
produce one yourself if you see a void that needs filling, after all
this is anarchy in action.

Here's a possibly incomplete list of known DoD merchandise (and
perpetrators). Patches (DoD#11), pins (DoD#99), stickers (DoD#99),
motorcycle license plate frames (DoD#216), t-shirts (DoD#99), polo shirts
(DoD#122), Zippo lighters (DoD#99) [LtF FtL], belt buckles (DoD#99), and
patches (DoD#99) [a second batch was done (and rapidly consumed) by
popular demand].

All "profits" have been donated to the American Motorcyclist Association
Motorcycle Heritage Museum. As of June 1992, over $5500 dollars has been
contributed to the museum fund by the DoD. If you visit the museum,
you'll see a large plaque on the Founders' Wall in the name of "Denizens
of Doom, USENET, The World", complete with a DoD pin.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here's a letter from the AMA to the DoD regarding our contributions.

~Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
~From: Arnie Skurow <arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
~Subject: A letter from the Motorcycle Heritage Museum
~Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:04:58 GMT

I received the following letter from Jim Rogers, director of the Museum,
the other day.

"Dear Arnie and all members of the Denizens of Doom:

Congratulations and expressions of gratitude are in order for you and the
Denizens of Doom!  With your recent donation, the total amount donated is
now $5,500.  On behalf of the AMHF, please extend my heartfeld gratitude
to all the membership of the Denizens.  The club's new plaque is presently
being prepared.  Of course, everyone is invited to come to the museum to 
see the plaque that will be installed in our Founders Foyer.  By the way,
I will personally mount a Denizens club pin on the plaque.  Again, thank 
you for all your support, which means so much to the foundation, the
museum, and the fulfillment of its goals.

                                Sincerely,


                                Jim Rogers, D.O.D. #0395
                                Director

P.S.  Please post on your computer bulletin board."

As you all know, even though the letter was addressed to me personally,
it was meant for all of you who purchased DoD goodies that made this
amount possible.

Arnie

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The Rules, Regulations, & Bylaws of the Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club

From time to time there is some mention, discussion, or flame about the
rules of the DoD. In order to fan the flames, here is the complete text
of the rules governing the DoD.

			Rule #1. There are no rules.
			Rule #0. Go ride.

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		Other rec.motorcycles information resources.

There are several general rec.motorcycles resources that may or may not
have anything to do with the DoD. Most are posted on a regular basis,
but they can also be obtained from the cerritos ftp/e-mail server (see
the info on the photo archive above).

A general rec.motorcycles FAQ is maintained by Dave Williams.
Cerritos filenames are FAQn.TXT, where n is currently 1-5.

The DoD Yellow Pages, a listing of motorcycle industry vendor phone
numbers & addresses, is maintained by bob pakser.
Cerritos filename is YELLOW_PAGES_Vnn, where n is the rev. number.

The List of the DoD membership is maintained by The Keeper of the List.
Cerritos filename is DOD.LIST.

This WitDoD FAQ (surprise, surprise!) is maintained by yours truly.
Cerritos filename is DOD_FAQ.TXT.

Additions, corrections, etc. for any of the above should be aimed at
the keepers of the respective texts.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

(Loki Jorgenson loki@Physics.McGill.CA) has provided an archive site
for motorcycle and accessory reviews, here's an excerpt from his
periodic announcement.

**********************************************************

	The Rec.Motorcycles.Reviews Archives (and World Famous Llama
  Emporium) contains a Veritable Plethora (tm) of bike (and accessories)
  reviews, written by rec.moto readers based on their own experiences.
  These invaluable gems of opinion (highly valued for their potential to
  reduce noise on the list) can be accessed via anonymous FTP, Email
  server or by personal request:

  Anonymous FTP:		ftp.physics.mcgill.ca (132.206.9.13)
					under ~ftp/pub/DoD
  Email archive server:		rm-reviews@ftp.physics.mcgill.ca
  Review submissions/questions:	rm-reviews@physics.mcgill.ca

  NOTE: There is a difference in the addresses for review submission
      and using the Email archive server (ie. an "ftp.").

  To get started with the Email server, send an Email message with a line
  containing only "send help".  

  NOTE: If your return address appears like
	domain!subdomain!host!username
      in your mail header, include a line like (or something similar)
	path username@host.subdomain.domain 

	If you are interested in submitting a review of a bike that you
  already own(ed), PLEASE DO!  There is a template of the format that the
  reviews are kept in (more or less) available at the archive site .
  For those who have Internet access but are unsure of how anonymous
  FTP works, an example script is available on request.

**********************************************************

Reviews of any motorcycle related accessory or widget are welcome too.

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            Updated stats & rec.motorcycles rides info

Some of the info cited above in various places tends to be a moving
target. Rather than trying to catch every occurence, I'm just sticking
the latest info down here.

Estimated rec.motorcycles readership: 35K  [news.groups]
 
Approximate DoD Membership: 975  [KotL]

DoD contributions to the American Motorcyclist Association Motorcycle
Heritage Museum. Over $5500  [Arnie]
 
                        Organized (?) Rides:

Summer 1992 saw more organized rides, with the Joust in its third
year, and the Ride & Feed going strong, but without the Rollins Pass
trip due to the collapse of a tunnel.  The East Coast Denizens got
together for the Right Coast Ride (RCR), with bikers from as far north
as NH, and as far south as FL meeting in the Blueridge Mountains of
North Carolina.  The Pacific Northwest crew organized  the first Great
Pacific Northwest Dryside Gather (GPNDG), another successful excuse for
riding motorcycles, and seeing the faces behind the names we all have
come to know so well.  [Thanks to Ed Green for the above addition.]

Also worth mentioning are: The first rec.moto.dirt ride, held in the
Moab/Canyonlands area of southern Utah. Riders from 5 states showed up,
riding everything from monster BMWs to itty-bitty XRs to almost-legal
2-strokes.  And though it's not an "official" (as if anything could be
official with this crowd) rec.moto event, the vintage motorcycle races
in Steamboat Springs, Colorado always provides a good excuse for netters
to gather.  There's also been the occasional Labor Day gather in Utah.
European Denizens have staged some gathers too.  (Your ad here,
reasonable rates!)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland   580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
       blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com     BIX: blaine_g@bix.com      FJ1200
Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted.      DoD#46
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland   580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
       blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com     BIX: blaine_g@bix.com      FJ1200
Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted.      DoD#46

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103117
From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)
Subject: Re: Oops! Oh no!

Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote:
:    I hate to admit this, and I'm still mentally kicking myself for it.
: I rode the brand new K75RT home last Friday night.  100 miles in rain
: and darkness.  No problems.  Got it home and put it on the center stand.
:    The next day I pushed it off the center stand in preparation for going
: over to a friend's house to pose.  You guessed it.  It got away from me
: and landed on its right side.  
:    Scratched the lower fairing, cracked the right mirror, and cracked the
: upper fairing.  
:    *DAMN* am I stupid!  It's going to cost me ~$200 to get the local
: body shop to fix it.  And that is after I take the fairing off for them.
: Still, that's probably cheaper than the mirror alone if I bought a 
: replacement from BMW.

You got off cheap.  My sister's ex-boyfriend was such an incessant pain
in the ass about wanting to ride my bikes (no way, Jose) that I
finally took him to Lindner's BMW in New Canaan, CT last fall where
I had seen a nice, used K100RS in perfect condition.  After telling
everyone in the shop his Norton war stories from fifteen years ago,
signing the liability waiver, and getting his pre-flight, off he went...

Well, not quite.  I walked out of a pizza shop up the street,
feeling good about myself (made my sister's boyfriend happy and got
the persistent wanker off my ass for good), heard the horrendous
racket of an engine tortured to its red line and then a crash.  I
saw people running towards the obvious source of the disturbance...
Jeff laying under the BMW with the rear wheel spinning wildly and
someone groping for the kill switch.  I stared in disbelief with
a slice hanging out of my mouth as Matty, the shop manager, slid
up beside me and asked, "Friend of yours, Steve?".  "Shit, Matty,
it could have been worse.  That could been my FLHS!"

Jeff hadn't made it 10 inches.  Witnesses said he lifted his feet
before letting out the clutch and gravity got the best of him.
Jeff claimed that the clutch didn't engage.  Matty was quick.
While Jeff was still stuttering in embarrassed shock he managed
to snatch Jeff's credit card for a quick imprint and signature.  Twenty
minutes later, when Jeff's color had paled to a flush, Matty
presented him with an estimate of $580 for a busted right mirror
and a hairline crack in the fairing.  That was for fixing the crack
and masking the damaged area, not a new fairing.  Or he could buy the
bike.

I'm not sure what happened later as my sister split up with Jeff shortly
afterwards (to hook up with another piece of work) except that Matty
told me he ran the charge through in December and that it went
uncontested.


-- 
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates				   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103118
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California

In article <1ppvof$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
|Bikers wave to bikers the world over.  Whether or not Harley riders
|wave to other bikers is one of our favorite flame wars...

  I am happy to say that some Harley riders in our area are better than most
that are flamed about here: I (riding a lowly sport bike, no less) and my
girlfriend were the recipient of no less than twenty waves from a group of
at least twenty-five Harley riders.  I was leading a group of about four
sport bikes at the time (FJ1200/CBR900RR/VFR750).  I initiated *some* of the
waves, but not all.  It was a perfect day, and friendly riders despite some
brand differences made it all the better...

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103119
Subject: Re: more DoD paraphernalia
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <1pppnrINNitg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>,
doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis) wrote:
> 
> How about a decal of thicker vinyl? 

  How about a Geeky temporary tatoo?  I mean, why should the 
  RUBs be exempt from a little razzing.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103120
From: maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California

Re: Waving...

I must say, that the courtesy of a nod or a wave as I meet other bikers while
riding does a lot of good things to my mood... While riding is a lot of fun by
itself, there's something really special about having someone say to you "Hey,
it's a great day for a ride... Isn't it wonderful that we can spend some time
on the road on days like this..." with a gesture.

Was sunny today for the first time in a week, took my bike out for a spin down
to the local salvage yard/bike shop... ran into about 20 other people who were
down there for similar reasons (there's this GREAT stretch of road on the way
down there... no side streets, lotsa leaning bends... ;) ... Went on an
impromptu coffee and bullshit run down to puyallup with a batch of people who 
I didn't know, but who were my kinda people nonetheless.

As a fellow commented to me while I was admiring his bike... "Hey, it's not
what you ride, it's that you ride... As long as it has 2 wheels and an engine
it's the same thing..."
-- 
----
maven@eskimo.com (InterNet)         maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (UseNet)
The Maven@The Mavenry (AlterNet)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103121
From: MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours 
> after you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink 
> tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow"?

1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks.
1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks.
2 hours/drink for the rest.

These are fairly cautious guidelines, and will work even if you happen to 
have a low tolerance or body mass.
I think the cops and "Don't You Dare Drink & Drive" (tm) commercials will 
usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you 
could very well be over the legal limit. 
Watch yourself.
-Mike
  ________________________________________________
 / Mike Muise / mjmuise@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca \ no quotes, no jokes,
 \ Electrical Engineering, University of Waterloo / no disclaimer, no fear.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103122
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: insect impacts

In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>>
>>>how _do_ the helmetless do it?
>>
>>Um, the same way people do it on 
>>horseback
>
>not as fast, and they would probably enjoy eating bugs, anyway

Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain.  And we eat
flies, thank you.

>>jeeps
>
>you're *supposed* to keep the windscreen up

then why does it go down?

>>snow skis
>
>NO BUGS, and most poeple who go fast wear goggles

So do most helmetless motorcyclists.

>The question still stands. How do cruiser riders with no or negligible helmets
>stand being on the highway at 75 mph on buggy, summer evenings?

helmetless != goggleless

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103123
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California

In article 602CV3dTx01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com, bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes:
>
>Now maybe this isn't a big deal to some of you, but it is to me.  I was raised
>in the South, and part of my cultural heritage is waving at passersby.  I
>waved from the side of the road at passing cars, when I drove I waved or
>nodded or at least raised an index finger from the steering wheel.  People
>waved at me as I drove by. 

I was raised in the South, and I can attest that this is true.  Why, on
one particularly hot day, as I was walking along the road, some good
ole boys in a truck tossed me a cold beer!  Of course, they were going
50 mph at the time...

>P.S. To prove this wasn't a fluke, it happened to me again when I was out
>riding on Wednesday: an unsolicited wave. Wow...

Bikers wave to bikers the world over.  Whether or not Harley riders
wave to other bikers is one of our favorite flame wars...

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103124
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries

In article <C50uGG.9As@cmptrc.lonestar.org> irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein) writes:
>In article <1phuse$5u1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>In article 28712@aber.ac.uk, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>>>Two questions that fascinate me:-
>>
>>Check you local blue light special for a sale on lives...
>>
>>>1) Why are rednecks called rednecks?
>>
>>The origin of the slang is probably a reference to a sunburned neck,
>>often obtained while performing honest work outdoors.  The neck is
>>specified to distinguish these people, whose shirt-protected chest and
>>back are pale, from the elitist wealthy, who, in their idiotic quest
>>for darker skin pigmentation as a badge of leisure time, overdo it and
>>get full-body sunburns.
>>
>
>More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make
>their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside
>of their group or level of understanding.
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"       CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
>irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826            (R75/6)
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

That sounds like an awfully closed minded, intolerant attitude.

1/2  :')     

I'm not a redneck but . . . try a walk in their shoes first.  Stereotypes
are usually of very limited value.  I've seen as many ignorant
self-righteous "open minded" new age lovers of the great planet Earth
as I have ignorant "red necks".  I don't see a correlation. I don't
believe that the "redneck" culture, if you can call it that, is
necessarily inferior or superior to any other.  

I gotta have a beer, I'm making too much sense.  Next thing you know,
I'll be preaching tolerance . . .. and I'm a conservative.

Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103125
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Carrying crutches (was Re: Living


In a previous article, pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) says:

>
>When I broke my right leg in two places (not a motorcycle accident -- a 
>_car_ accident; who woulda thunk it?) I put my crutches on Gretchen's rear
>rack.  I'm getting the metal rod pulled out on Friday and going back on 
>the crutches for six weeks.  I think crutches on the handlebars sound more 
>aesthetically pleasing.  How did you attach them?


	When I got my knee rebuilt I got back on the street bike ASAP. I put
the crutches on the rack and the passenger seat and they hung out back a
LONG way. Just make sure they're tied down tight in front and no problemo.
-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103126
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)

In article <1993Apr4.135829.28141@pro-haven.cts.com>, shadow@pro-haven.cts.com writes:
> In <1993Apr3.094509.11448@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
> asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
> % By the way, the short-lived Zephyr is essentially a GpZ 550,
> Why was the "Zephyr" discontinued?  I heard something about a problem with
> the name, but I never did hear anything certain... 

I don't think the 550 sold very well - most North Americans who ride a standard
rather than a sport bike usually want something bigger. People walk into the
dealership, look at the 550 and the 750 and say, "I might as well spring the
extra bucks for the bigger engine."
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103127
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!


In a previous article, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) says:

>In article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>|
>|Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan?  Wow, and he seemed like such
>|a nice boy at RCR I too.
>
>And Noemi makes me think of "cuddle", not "KotL".
>

	You talking bout the same Noemi I know? She makes me think of big bore
hand guns and extreme weirdness. This babe rode a CSR300 across the desert! And
a borrowed XL100 on the Death Ride. Don't fuck with her man, your making a big
mistake.



-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103128
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Identify this bike for me

In article <1993Apr5.193804.18482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes:
}first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
}but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it.  Additionally,

As someone who was told quite firmly by 2 Honda sales/service weenies
that there is no larger tank available for the Hawk (I have a '91
Hawk with the puny 3.2 gal tank), I'd be very interested to know if
there is any decent aftermarket solution. I'd love to have at least
a 4 gal tank.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103129
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries


In article <Stafford-310393095530@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <1993Mar17.115603.28712@aber.ac.uk>, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy
>Woodward) wrote:
>> 
>> Two questions that fascinate me:-
>     You are easily fascinated.
>
>> 1) Why are rednecks called rednecks?
>     Why are you called a Welch?
>     OK, it's because they are often south or southeastern farmers
>     who's necks are permanently damaged from sunburn.  The sun;
>     you know what that is, it never sets on the British Empire
>     and never shines in Wales.
>
This is a despicable LIE! It was sunny on 3rd July 1958 from 11.23am
to 11 37am. I made a note of it. Diaries are never wrong.

>> 2) Why do they ride Harleys?
>     They don't.  They drive in pick-up trucks and shoot bikers.
>
>> Please enlighten me. When I visited last, the only answers I got 
>> were incoherent splutterings.
>     You deserve more?
>
>====================================================
>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
>                    All standard disclaimers apply.


Do you, by any chance ride a Harley? (just a feeling...) How is your 
neck? Calamine lotion is good, I'm told.

I am getting bored with winding up Americans. Its like bombing fish
in a barrel. 

Haaaaaaaaaaave a Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

Andy

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103130
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: re: Countersteering_FAQ please post


In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle 
>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this 
>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.
>
>				eric

Hmm, If I did this, would I be able to take the outriggers off?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103131
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Dr. Demento


In article <1993Mar31.194202.7809@cs.brown.edu> jdk@cs.brown.edu (Jennet Kirschenbaum) writes:
>
>I haven't heard Dr. Demento in years.  Does anyone know if it 
>plays on any stations around Prov, RI (such as WBCN)?
>
>I'd love to pay for shipping and recording of the show too.

The best Boring-Old-Farts prefer The Breeze, 97.9FM, Salt
Lake City. Wonderfully catatonic. I wanted to take the whole station
back with me in my flight bag. (Especially the girlie with the sexy
voice who did the Morning Show.)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103132
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: pink tools [was: Re: What is it with girlfriends and motorcycles?]

I ONLY Just prevented myself from diving  in on this one.....

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103133
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries


In article <1pcl6i$e4i@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ravi@vanilla.WPI.EDU (Ravi Narayan) writes:
>In a previous article, groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu said:
>= azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>= 
>= >2) Why do they ride Harleys?
>= 
>= 'cause we can.
>= 
>
>    you sure are lucky! i am told that there are very few people out
>    there who can actually get their harley to ride ;-) (the name tod
>    johnson jumps to the indiscreet mind... laz whats it you used to
>    ride???).
>
>
>-- 
>----------_________----------_________----------_________----------_________
>sig (n): a piece of mail with a fool at one  | Ravi Narayan, CS, WPI
>          end and flames at the other. (C).   | 89 SuzukiGS500E - Phaedra ;)
>__________---------__________---------__________---------__________---------

Hi, Ravi

If you need a Harley, we have lots to spare here. All the yuppies
bought 'the best' a couple  of years ago to pose at the (s)wine
bar. They 'rode a mile and walked the rest'. Called a taxi home and 
went back to the porsche. So there's are loads going cheap with about
1 1/2 miles on the clock (takes a while to coast to a halt).

Cheers

Andy

P.S. You get a better class of people on GS500's anyway

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103134
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding


In article <1993Apr3.200529.2206@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>{drinking & riding}
>>  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
>> you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
>> don't ride until tomorrow"?

Even a half a beer will increase your confidence while slugging your reactions
and judgement - not much maybe, but its hard enough to stay alive out there
for any length of time without stacking the odds. I'll not ride after ANY.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103135
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re:  Living


In article <05APR93.02451203.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
>In article <1993Apr2.213402.10821@eos.arc.nasa.gov> phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes:
>>Thanks for the compliments, Allan, but I think you sidestepped
>>my point there.  I didn't say I didn't take *any* chances.  Sheesh,
>>getting out of bed in the morning is risky; I sprained my ankle

Damn right. I was late for a climbing meet one morning, so I got
out of bed without bothering that my right foot was still asleep.
It reminded me by folding underneath with a crunching of Metatarsals.
Lucky the brake's on the right, but i got funny looks riding thru 
London with one leg held aloft.

(Climbing wasnt a problem - the best splint in the world is a tight
climbing shoe.)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103136
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Protective gear


In article <1993Apr3.200829.2207@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>> What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
>> rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
>> leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
>> leather pants, what?

IF you can remember to tuck properly, the bits that are going to take most 
punishment with the gear you have will probably be your feet, then hips and 
knees. Get boots then  trousers. The gloves come last, as long as you've the 
self control to pull your arms in when you tuck. If not, get good gloves 
first - Hands are VERY easily wrecked if you put one down to steady your 
fall at 70mph!! The other bits heal easier.

Once you are fully covered, you no longer tuck, just lie back and enjoy the 
ride.

Best of all, take a mean of all the contradictory answers you get.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103137
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: New DoD listing. Membership is at 1148

There is a new DoD listing. To get a copy use one of these commands:

		finger motohead@cs.colorado.edu
				OR
		mail motohead@cs.colorado.edu

If you send mail make sure your "From" line is correct (ie "man vacation").
I will not try at all to fix mail problems (unless they are mine ;-). And I
may just publicly tell the world what a bad mailer you have. I do scan the 
mail to find bounces but I will not waste my time answering your questions 
or requests.

For those of you that want to update your entry or get a # contact the KotL.
Only the KotL can make changes. SO STOP BOTHERING ME WITH INANE MAIL

I will not tell what "DoD" is! Ask rec.motorcycles. I do not give out the #'s.


Laszlo Nemeth
laszlo@cs.colorado.edu
"hey - my tool works (yeah, you can quote me on that)." From elef@Sun.COM
"Flashbacks = free drugs."
DoD #0666          UID #1999

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103138
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Round Two

In article 29788@serval.net.wsu.edu, bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>
>If Good Sam got 300 bricks, delivered
>first class postage to their door, at their expense, I bet they would change
>their policies about mailing lists or about who can use their facilities
>quickly. 

And if the Lord God Almighty parted the sky and make a personal
appearance at their Board of Directors meeting, they would also change
their policies.  The odds are about equal.

>I am curious as to how many bricks I will have to send before this situatiion
>is cleared up to my satisfaction.  I suspect about 5.  We shall see.

You'll be extremely lucky if you ever get one through.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103139
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Another question about synthetic engi

In article <1993Apr5.133542.19077@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, 
fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) writes:

|> Two years ago he went to work for CONRAIL as a mechanic.
|> On the EMD and GE power units (train engines) they NEVER
|> EVER change the oil, just the filters

I remember seeing an artical on large-engine oil 
requirements, and one of the ways of prolonging
the life of the oil was to run through a heated
un-presurized chamber to allow water and volitiles
to boil off. This made such long-term usage of 
oil practical.

Isn't the Discovery channel great!?!

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103140
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)
Subject: Identify this bike for me

OK,

    I saw a bike today and I want to know what it is.  Lets begin
by saying that its whole rear end was definately Hawk 650.  Additionally,
it had a CBR900RR style tank, full fairing, and only a tach.  Now, at
first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it.  Additionally,
the gauges were certainly not from a Hawk.  They looked much more like 
900RR gauges.  Overall, the bike looked like a 900RR except for the
rear single-sided swingarm and wheel (there were straight from the Hawk)

So, what did I see?

(PS, for any of you Boulder DoDers, I saw it parked at the Engineering
center today. It is white with light green stripes.)


________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn                     DoD#6425                      AMA#679817
                  '88CBR1000              '89CBR600
                       coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
________________________________________________________________________



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103141
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!

In article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
|
|Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan?  Wow, and he seemed like such
|a nice boy at RCR I too.

And Noemi makes me think of "cuddle", not "KotL".

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "We're bad-t-the-bone!
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  Bad-t-the-bone!"
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  -- Universally feared
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |     Denizen warcry.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103142
From: downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP

Paraphrase of initial post:

	Can I fight a speeding ticket in court?

My reply:

       Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.
       Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982

The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let
us know how it goes.

ABD

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103143
From: davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper)
Subject: *FOR SALE*: H-1 500...


     1975 H-1 500
     Brand new top end
     Chambers
     Clean + black!
     1,500$
     Paul: (510) 839-2161

Please do not contact this email address: contact the seller.

Cheers

DAVE

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103144
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!

In article <gate.3gPD2B1w165w@ryang1.pgh.pa.us>, 
ryang@ryang1.pgh.pa.us (Robert H. Yang) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> 	Sorry, just feeling silly.
|> 
|> Rob


No need to appologise, as a matter of fact
this reminds me to bring up something I
have found consistant with dogs-

Most of the time, they do NOT like having
me and my bike anywhere near them, and will
chase as if to bite and kill. 

An instructor once said it was because the 
sound from a bike was painfull to their 
ears. As silly as this seams, no other options
have arrizen. 

net.wisdom?

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103145
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Auction: Diana's bra

In article <1993Apr2.163531.12974@adobe.com>, 
cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

|> Next thing you know I'll see bikes with Geeky stickers parked
|> outside the local white wine, quiche, and fern bar.

Hey! I LIKE quiche, even if I did have to look 
at your note to spell it (assumed) correctly.

Really, you <*sniff*> tough guys are all the same...

(MOMMY! Curtis is making fun of ferns again!!!!)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103146
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:

|>  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
|> you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
|> don't ride until tomorrow"?

I'll put in a vote for the latter. A bike
takes a lot of involvement, and I for one
do not want any accident to be my fault.

I remember one artical where the reviewer
tried the radio on the bike, not having had
one on any of his. He stated that the bike
tended to go faster when the music was 
good. I agree, having felt like this my self,
and this was not a physical imparement, like
drinking, just the emotional lift from music.

First rule of ecology: There is never only one side-effect.

Ride Well-

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103147
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California


|> <Waving at fellow bikers stuff deleted>
|> 
|> When I first started riding street bikes I was told it was common to recieve/
|> give a wave to a fellow biker. 

What astounded me on moving to the left coast from
the right coast, was to actually get waves from
HARLEY riders! No, Really! I remember the first time
as a truely memorable event.

It might have something to do with the...

No. I refuse to bring that up again.

Thanks EVO, for being a Harley rider that waves
first. 

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103148
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, 
Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
|> Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...
|> 				eric

Like, there's a FAQ for this?

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103149
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!
From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU

Ed's heading out on the highway?

Did he finally buy a bike or is he a passanger?

Jeff Andle   DoD #3005  1976 KZ900     REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU

IntermittentNet access arranged through Bowdoin College.  Please reply
via e-mail, since a followup might expire before I see the Net again.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103150
Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)
From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU

I don't know about the dinky little Zephyr's, but the 1100 (now
the ZR1100) looks alot like my '76 Z1/ KZ900!  The one I drooled over
at Tri-Sports in Topsham, ME was a looker!

Yes, Mercury axed the Zephyr name.  Guess a lot of aging Republicans
wanted a Zephyr and confused the Mercury with the Kawasaki :).  Oh
well, they're better off with the Kawasaki anyways.  Maybe it'll shake the
stick out of their asses and  make Libertarians out of them!

As to the GPz <--> Zephyr, the only GPz I've seen had the ball-buster
gas tank profile, not the smooth saddle - to - gas tank transition.
_Motorcyclist_ claims the Zephyr / ZR is the modernized Z1 (KZ) from the
seventies.
Jeff Andle   DoD #3005  1976 KZ900     REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU

IntermittentNet access arranged through Bowdoin College.  Please reply
via e-mail, since a followup might expire before I see the Net again.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103151
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: r.m split (was: Re: insect impacts)

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) /  2:02 pm  Apr  2, 1993 /

All right people, this inane bug wibbling is just getting to much.  I
propose we split off a new group.
rec.motorcycles.nutrition 
to deal with the what to do with squashed bugs thread.

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '92 VFR750F           |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
----------
What?!?!? Haven't you heard about cross-posting??!?!? Leave it intact and
simply ignore the basenotes and/or responses which have zero interest for
a being of your stature and discriminating taste. ;-)

Yesterday, while on Lonoak Rd, a wasp hit my faceshield with just
enough force to glue it between my eyes, but not enough to kill it as
the legs were frantically wiggling away and I found that rather, shall
we say, distracting. I flicked it off and wiped off the residue at the
next gas stop in Greenfield. :-) BTW, Lonoak Rd leads from #25 into
King City although we took Metz from KC into Greenfield. 
  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division,
350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103152
Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)

In article <C51105.98C.1@cs.cmu.edu> jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>|> 	While we're on the subject, has anyone else noticed that the 1/2" deep
>|> well in Craftsman's $60 SAE deep well set is too small to fit a 1/2" bolt or
>|> nut?	When I took the socket in for an exchange, EVERY !#%@ one of the 1/2"
>|> deep well sockets on the rack had the exact same problem!!!
>
>Not to imply that you didn't, but since you didn't mention it.....
>did you measure the size of your test nut with callipers? Were all three
>"cross lengths" no more than 1/2"? I've seen bolt heads, and even a few
>nuts, which got slightly thicker further down toward the basa... sort of
>a trapizodial cross section.

	That I did not do; however, the sample bolt I took to the store fit
rather well in the following:  1/2" open end wrench, 1/2" box end wrench, 1/2"
12-point normal socket.  I take that as meaning it's a 1/2" bolt head.
 
>But as several people have pointed out, and as I'm noting in the tool FAQ
>I'm writing up in case anyone will want it, a lifetime guarantee doesn't
>necessiarly mean better tools.

	Yup.  At $6 a socket, I want the @#$@# thing to FIT!

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103153
Subject: Re: Oops! Oh no!
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)

JACK ROGERS WATERS (jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1ppejb$3h0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
: >
: >Well, at least I damaged my own bike.  If I had done it to someone else's
: >property I'd *really* feel like a jerk.  As it is I just feel stupid.
: >
: I don't mean to be a cynic but . . . . you may want to reconsider
: having the body work done right away.  The same type of thing
: may happen again.  Wait till you get used to the bike, etc.

Well, I waited a whole week to take the pastic bits off and take them
to the body shop.  Is that long enough :-)
--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103154
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: The quest for horndom

In article <1993Apr5.171807.22861@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <1993Apr4.010533.26294@ncsu.edu> jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
>>No laughing, please.  I have a few questions.  First of all, do I
>>need a relay?  Are there different kinds, and if so, what kind should
>>I get?  Both horns are 12 Volt.
>
>	I did some back-of-the-eyelids calculations last night, and I figure
>these puppies suck up about 10 amps to work at maximum efficiency (i.e., the
>cager might need a shovel to clean out his seat).  Assumptions:  125dBA at one
>meter.  Neglecting solid angle considerations and end effects and other
>acoustic niceties from the shape of the horn itself, this is a power output
>of 125 Watts.  125Watts/12Volts is approx. 10 Amps.
>
>	Yes, get a relay.
>
>	Yes, tell me how you did it (I want to do it on the ZX).
>
>Later,

I'll post a summary after I get enough information.  I'll include
tips like "how to know when the monkey is pulling your leg".  Shouldn't
monkey's have to be bonded and insured before they work on bikes?

Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103155
From: <LRR105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools

WHAT IS THE FLANK DRIVE EVERYONES TALKING ABOUT?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103156
From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries

In article <1phuse$5u1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 28712@aber.ac.uk, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>>Two questions that fascinate me:-
>
>Check you local blue light special for a sale on lives...
>
>>1) Why are rednecks called rednecks?
>
>The origin of the slang is probably a reference to a sunburned neck,
>often obtained while performing honest work outdoors.  The neck is
>specified to distinguish these people, whose shirt-protected chest and
>back are pale, from the elitist wealthy, who, in their idiotic quest
>for darker skin pigmentation as a badge of leisure time, overdo it and
>get full-body sunburns.
>

More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make
their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside
of their group or level of understanding.
-- 
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"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"       CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826            (R75/6)
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103157
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: hats update... patches too!

In article XHFg2B5w165w@fringe.rain.com, dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) writes:
>I've got orders for about 30-35 hats.  The expensive part (not surprisingly)
>is going to be having the patches made, with a setup fee of $100-200 or so.

Dean, there's an old engineering saying concerning inventions and
wheels.  Contact #0099, he's done several runs of patches, and there is
some patch-making company out there with the artwork already set up and
paid for.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103158
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Chain Lube (was: Re: RM consensus on chain cleaning.)

In article <1993Apr3.044405.16947@elektro.cmhnet.org>, charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
> In article <1993Mar24.011823.7887@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
> >Anyone try the spray on chain wax that was reviewed in one of the moto
> >rags last month?
> 
> 
> Yeah.    I sprayed it all over my rear drive shaft housing, and it didn't
> seem to make it any quieter at all <!!>

Didn't you read the instructions first??
You're supposed to spray it in your ears so you won't be
distracted by the chain-noise of the *other* bikes around you.
That's why it's called "Chain *Wax*".

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com
car377@cbnewsj.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103159
Subject: Re: BMW Nostalgia Question from a Neophyte
From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)

To go one step further, you could write Roland Slabon, Pres. of the
Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners Ltd at P.O. box 67, Exeter, New Hampshire 
03833 and he'll send you copy of the bimonthly rag with info as to where
to send your $12 bucks if ya want to join. As far as the price of '60's
Beemers, it varies wildly, from a low of around $1000 for an unrestored
bike that still runs (like an R50 or R60) to $4500 or so for a restored
R69S.  Don't listen to that bull about the old bmw's not being "good 
enough" to ride in todays world.. Hell, I'm riding my 1956 R26 Single
from Mississippi to the BMW MOA national rally in Oshkosh, Wisconsin
on the 22nd of July this year.
Sincerely,
Craig Vechorik
BMW MOA Ambassador #9462
BMW Vintage 
Bulletin tech editor #1373
DOD #843
"REAL BMW's have ROUND tail lights and ROLLER cranks"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103160
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
>In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
>>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
>>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle
>>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this
>>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.
>
> Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and
>your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem.  When I do it

Really!?

Methinks somethings wrong with _your_ bike.

Perhaps you meant _pull_?

Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left.

It should. 
REally.

>on MY bike, I turn right.  No wonder you need that FAQ.  If I had it
>I'd send it.
>

I'm sure others will take up the slack...


>
>
>

-- 
Andy Infante  | I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis |
'71 BMW R60/5 | upon the observance of the law than they do upon it's         | 
DoD #2426     | enforcement.  -Calvin Coolidge                                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103161
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries

In article <1993Apr5.094451.8144@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>I am getting bored with winding up Americans. Its like bombing fish
>in a barrel. 

Or little children at the market.

(Or is that the Irish?  Hard to keep all you not-really-English types
 straight.)


-- 
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                                        INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103162
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Another question about synthetic engi

In article <1993Apr2.043642.5682@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes:
|In article 17418@news.arc.nasa.gov, howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) writes:
|>Castrol Syntec does not contain teflon, it gets its greater
|>lubrication by bonding to the metal surfaces of the engine, 
|>thus making the metal ride on the polymer rather
|>than having metal-to-metal contact. I do not know if this 
|>also reduces the acid contact with the metal, but it seems 
|>likely.
|
|Just becase something forms a resin does not mean that
|it's not teflon based.  The PTFE in slick-50 is not teflon
|either, but it's still teflon based.  

"Teflon" is a DuPont-owned tradename for PTFE.  Slick-50 does
indeed use DuPont Teflon, though some other brands of such
stuff may use imported PTFE of another brand.

"Teflon", being a trade-name, should always by capitalized.

(DuPont disclaims any benefits of PTFE in the oil supply of internal 
combustion engines, BTW.)

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "We're bad-t-the-bone!
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  Bad-t-the-bone!"
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  -- Universally feared
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |     Denizen warcry.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103163
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <12739@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
>>In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
>>>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
[...]
>>
>> Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and
>>your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem.  When I do it
>
>Really!?
>
>Methinks somethings wrong with _your_ bike.
>
>Perhaps you meant _pull_?
>
>Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left.
>
>It should. 
>REally.
>
>>on MY bike, I turn right.  No wonder you need that FAQ.  If I had it
>>I'd send it.
>
>I'm sure others will take up the slack...
>
[...]
>-- 
>Andy Infante  | I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis |


Oh, lord.  This is where I came in.

Obcountersteer:  For some reason, I've discovered that pulling on the
wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong
side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control.  For
example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn 
right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned
over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive.  Maybe
I need psychological help.

Obcountersteer v2.0:Anyone else find it ironic that in the weekend-and-a-
night MSF class, they don't mention countersteering until after the
first day of riding?



-----
Tommy McGuire, who's going to hit his head on door frames the rest of
    the evening, leaning into those tight turns....
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103164
From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Living

In article <C4rz4J.4q9@odin.corp.sgi.com> amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com
(Allan McNaughton) writes:
>In article <1993Mar27.040606.4847@eos.arc.nasa.gov>, phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov
(Phil Stone) writes:
>|> Alan, nothing personal, but I object to the "we all" in that statement.
>|> (I was on many of those rides that Alan is describing.)  Pushing the
>|> envelope does not necessarily equal taking insane chances.

Moreover, if two riders are riding together at the same speed,
one might be riding well beyond his abilities and the other
may have a safety margin left.

>Oh come on Phil.  You're an excellent rider, but you still take plenty of
>chances.  Don't tell me that it's just your skill that keeps you from 
>getting wacked.  There's a lot of luck thrown in there too.  You're a very
>good rider and a very lucky one too.  Hope your luck holds.... 

Allan, I know the circumstances of several of your falls.
On the ride when you fell while I was next behind you,
you made an error of judgement by riding too fast when
you knew the road was damp, and you reacted badly when
you were surprised by an oncoming car.  That crash was
due to factors that were subject to your control.

I won't deny that there's a combination of luck and skill
involved for each of us, but it seems that you're blaming
bad luck for more of your own pain than is warranted.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103165
From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Recommended bike for a tall beginner.

In article <47116@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jtozer@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Tozer) writes:
>	I am looking for advice on what bikes I should check out.  I
>am 6'4" tall, and find my legs/hips uncomfortably bent on most of
>the bikes I have ridden (not many admittedly).  Are there any bikes
>out there built for a taller rider?

There's plenty of legroom on the Kawasaki KLR650.  A bit
short in the braking department for spirited street riding,
but enough for dirt and for less-agressive street stuff.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103166
From: RYLV80@waccvm.corp.mot.com (William Mohrman)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

>
> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
>you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
>don't ride until tomorrow"?

This thread brings back memorys of an expensive day in traffic court
a few years ago.  While I was waiting my turn to state my case and
plea of why I was going 75 in a 55 in my cage, I had the opportunity
to listen to some of the "creative excuses" offered the judge by others.

After listening to a number of "Well, I was passing a very slow truck
that suddenly speed up" versions, I decided that the judge had heard
just about every story in the book and then some.  He was less than
impressed with any of them.

This young, rather burley looking guy, had his docket read by a
rather drill sargent looking Ohio State Highyway Patrol Trooper.
He was clocked riding a motorcycle at a speed of 110 mph in a 55 mph
zone.  It was also noted that the defendant (motorcycle rider) had
alcohol on his breath, but was not cited for this offence.

The judge looked over his half glasses purched on the end of his nose
and said in his sternest voice: "Well son, those are some pretty
fast speeds to be riding a motorcycle.  What do you have to say for
your self?"

"Well Sir", meekly the defenant replied, "I just was over to my
buddys and we had a couple of beers and I was on my way home."
He offered nothing more or less.  Just had a couple of beers and
was doing 110 mph on his way home.

The judge moved by the simplicity of the response, fined him the
maximum in this case (plus court costs of course) and ordered him
to attend remedial drivers training school.

Isn't America Great??


--------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Mohrman                                         81-CB900C
Motorola , SPS
Columbus, OH
------------------- Disclaimers Apply ------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103167
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: How Big Is Too Big (was Re: 1st bike)

azw@aber.ac.uk(Andy Woodward) writes:
azw>Weight and size over rough roads is a definite no-no. If is starts to
azw>drift, you aint going to catch it.

leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) says:
mrb>If you're riding hard enough for this to be of concern, then yes, a
mrb>lighter bike is more beneficial.

ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
ms>If you're not riding hard enough for this to be a concern, are you
ms>having any fun?

Sure.  I've never been much of a racerboy, as anybody who's attended the
Minibike Spectacular can attest.  ;^)  I get a great deal of satisfaction
in riding fast, yet now so fast as to be overly concerned about not being
able to maintain a clean line.  And while I'm still known to slide the
occasional tire, I much prefer to stay just to the sticky side of that
line.  I've found that I don't heal as well as I used to in days of yore.

BTW, how's the knee?

mrb>anyway.  Am I more likely to catch a 400 than a 250?  Not necessarily.
mrb>Tires, road surface and rider ability are a much more important criteria.

ms>Actually, big horsepower is just as likely to get you out of trouble
ms>when it "Starts to Drift" as your puny body mass pushing on stuff. A well
ms>placed push from 80 or 90 horsepower can do a lot to straighten or change
ms>in a beneficial way the trajectory of the bike/rider system. That's a 

Quite true.  Another plus for a 500+ bike, the original thread, I think.
Damn circular threads...  ;^)

ms>Go fast. Take chances.
ms>
ms>	Mike S.

Mr. Bill
-- 
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 +   '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago"   +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+  DoD AMA ICOA NIA  + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103168
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: Protective gear

In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|> Question for the day:
|> 
|> What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
|> rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
|> leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
|> leather pants, what?

condom


during wone of the 500 times i had to go over my accident i
was asked if i was wearing "protection" my responces was
"yes i was wearing a condom"



laz


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103169
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <12739@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
|> >In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
|> >>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
|> >>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle
|> >>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this
|> >>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.
|> >
|> > Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and
|> >your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem.  When I do it
|> 
|> Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left.
|> 
|> I'm sure others will take up the slack...

oh yes, i'm quite sure they will :)

axel

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103170
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year

In article <1993Mar30.214419.923@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:
> In article <1993Mar29.225236.9061@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
> >[...] I had planned to get an HD this year...but instead I
> >took delivery on a brand new male offspring(er) last Monday...
> 
> Sounds like you should have been doing your planning LAST year, given
> Harley-Davidson's product delivery lag and the human gestation cycle.

Or perhaps any planning at all.  :-)  Hiya Pete, still got that CBX?
Nice to hear from you again!

> >And, yes, I finally did figure out why this happens, and I have
> >taken steps to ensure [a storkish repetition]...
> 
> That would be low drag bars and way rad rearsets for the FJ, so that the 
> ergonomic constraints would have contraceptive consequences?

Ouch. :-)   This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the
Hurt Study.   Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity
to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended
that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function
provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the
gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the 
rider doesn't.  I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers
have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the 
CBR900RR and the GTS1000A.

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com
car377@cbnewsj.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103171
From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP

In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes:
>       Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.
>       Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982
>
>The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let
>us know how it goes.
>
  Daniel Matejka writes:
  The fourth edition is out, too.  But it's probably also not
very high on UCB's "gotta have that" list.

In article <65930405053856/0005111312NA1EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes:
>Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by
>a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road.  The
>officer stated "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down
>highway 12.  You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75."  I just said okay,
>and did not agree or disagree to anything he said. 

  Can you beat this ticket?  Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen
to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up
and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon.
  The cop was certainly within his legal rights to nail you by guessing
your speed.  Mr. Brown (the author of Fight Your Ticket) mentions an
Oakland judge who convicted a speeder "on the officer's testimony that
the driver's car sounded like it was being driven at an excessive speed."
  You can pay off the State and your insurance company, or you can
take it to court and be creative.  Personally, I've never won that way
or seen anyone win, but the judge always listens politely.  And I haven't
seen _that_ many attempts.
  You could try the argument that since bikes are shorter than the
cars whose speed the nice officer is accustomed to guessing, they therefore
appear to be further away, and so their speed appears to be greater than
it actually is.  I left out a step or two, but you get the idea.  If you
can make it convincing, theoretically you're supposed to win.
  I've never tried proving the cop was mistaken.  I did get to see
some other poor biker try it.  He was mixing up various facts like
the maximum acceleration of a (cop) car, and the distance at which
the cop had been pacing him, and end up demonstrating that he couldn't
possibly have been going as fast as the cop had suggested.  He'd
brought diagrams and a calculator.  He was Prepared.  He lost.  Keep
in mind cops do this all the time, and their word is better than yours.
Maybe, though, they don't guess how fast bikes are going all the time.
Besides, this guy didn't speak English very well, and ended up absolutely
confounding the judge, the cop, and everyone else in the room who'd been
recently criminalized by some twit with a gun and a quota.
  Ahem.  OK, I'm better now.  Maybe he'd have won had his presentation
been more polished.  Maybe not.  He did get applause.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103172
From: carter@ecf.toronto.edu (CARTER EDWARD A)
Subject: Re: DoD Oficial (tm) Newbie Bike of Choice

In article <1pplsc$38q@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>I propose that the Official DoD Newbie Bike of Choice (tm) be the ZX-11 D.

=8^/  Nothing like giving newbies a land rocket to practice on.  

>It offers
>enough power so that a novice rider can safely  accelerate out of harms way
>in situations where a more experienced rider would use complex avoidance 
>manouvers.

Yup.  Accelerate right into the back of an 18-wheel truck.

Um.  How's the easiest way to get newbies of the road?  :)

Regards, Ted.

---
University of Toronto Computer Engineering               
PowerUsersGroupChairman
'89 FZR600: I'm taking a ride with my best friend.                  DoD#:886699

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103173
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries

}>More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make
}>their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside
}>of their group or level of understanding.

There seems to be some confusion between rednecks and white trash.
The confusion is understandable, as there is substantial overlap
between the two sets. Let me see if I can clarify:

Rednecks: Primarily use their backs instead of their minds to make a
	living. Usually somewhat ignorant (by somebody's standards,
	anyway) because they have never held education above basic
	reading/writing/math skills to be that important to their
	eventual vocation. Note I did not say stupid, just ignorant.
	(They might be stupid, but then so are some high percentage
	of any group).

White trash: "White trash fit the stereotype referred to by the
	word 'nigger' better than any black person I ever met, only
	with the added 'bonus' that white trash are mean as hell."
	-- my father. Genuinely lazy (not just out of work or under-
	qualified), good-for-nothing, dishonest, white people who are
	mean as snakes. The "squeal like a pig" boys in _Deliverance_
	may or may not have been rednecks, but they were sure as hell
	white trash.

White trash are assuredly intolerant of anything outside of their
group or level of understanding. Rednecks may or may not be.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103174
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Protective gear 

In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca writes:

>In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>>Question for the day:
>>
>>What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
>>rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
>>leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
>>leather pants, what?
>
>I would go for the gloves. There's not a whole lot that you can do in life if
>you have no skin on your hands. 

Yup! Ruins your sex life!

Tony



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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103175
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Twit Bicyclists (was RE: Oh JOY!)

In article <1993Apr2.045903.6066@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes:
>Yo, ASSHOLES.  I hope you are all just kidding
>because it's exactly that kind of attidue that gets
>many a MOTORcyclist killed:  "Look at the leather
>clad poseurs!  Watch how they swirve and
>swear as I pretend that they don't exist while
>I change lanes."
>
>If you really find it necesary to wreck others
>enjoyment of the road to boost your ego, then
>it is truely you who are the poseur.
>
>--aaron

Disgruntled Volvo drivers. What are they rebelling against?
 
================================================================================
 Steatopygias's 'R' Us.          doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot.
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103176
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Question: Arai Quantum-S

In article <C4zqEL.E9B@ms.uky.edu> amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr) writes:
>they way I want it to.  However, I have the following problem:  My chin hangs
>out from the bottom of the helmet.  I am curious to know whether I would still
>have this problem if I were to switch to the extra large size?  In particular,
>can anyone tell me "for certain", if the outer shell of the "Arai Quantum-S" in
>size X-large is any different (larger-rounder-etc.) than the same helmet in size
>large?  Or if the inner padding/foam on the X-large is such that one's head
>fits a little deeper in the helmet, and thus one's chin would not stick out?
>This is true for the very old Arthur-Fulmer helmets that I have.  Namely, my
>chin hangs out a little from the bottom of the Large helmet, and not at all
>from the X-large (but the X-large is not as snug as the large).  The dealer
>is willing to replace the helmet at no additional cost (i.e. shipping), but
>I want to make sure that 1) the X-large is in fact a little bigger or linered
>such that my chin will not hang out and 2) how much looser will my head fit in
>the X-large?  If anyone has recent experience with this helmet, please let me
>hear (E-mail) from you ASAP.  Thank you so much.  Amir-

I'm not sure about the helmet but for chin questions you might
want to write to a:

 Jay Leno
 c/o Tonight Show 
 Burbank Calif.
 
Good luck.
 
================================================================================
 Steatopygias's 'R' Us.          doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot.
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103177
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re:  Living

In article <1993Apr05.172836.36759@rchland.ibm.com> pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) writes:
>In article <05APR93.02451203.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, C70A000 <C70A@UNB.CA> 
writes:>|> 
>|> ... I sprained my right ankle once and kept riding, ...
>When I broke my right leg in two places ...

I had knee surgery while I was in the Navy back in 77.  The 
doctors put me in a cast from ass-to-ankle.  My only method of transportaion 
was a DOHC 450 Honda at the time.  I found that by sliding back on the seat 
I could use my heel (did I mention it was my left leg?) to operate the shift.
I would hook the end of the lever with my heel and lift my entire leg for up-
shifts and just drop my leg on the lever for the down-shifts.  Forget 
nutral, took WAY too much finesse for the leg!  The crutches were bungee-
corded to the right side of the bike with the "top" resting on the passenger 
peg and the right turnsignal sticking through the "hole" in the crutches.  
Every other day when I rode the 10 miles to Physical Therapy (tourture 
sessions) the doc would give me hell about riding a bike much less riding in 
my condition.  Didn't stop me tho! B-P

BTW.  This is the same bike I assembled in my second floor barracks room and 
rode down the stairs when it was completed!

  --------======= I am not paid to have an opinion! =======--------
  Dr. Speed                                           Suzuki GS850G
  DoD #8177

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103178
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP

In article <dmatejkaC51DMB.LH6@netcom.com>, dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes:
|> In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes:
|> >       Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.
|> >       Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982
|> >
|> >The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let
|> >us know how it goes.
|> >
|>   Daniel Matejka writes:

|>   Can you beat this ticket?  Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen
|> to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up
|> and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon.
|>   The cop was certainly within his legal rights to nail you by guessing
|> your speed.  Mr. Brown (the author of Fight Your Ticket) mentions an
|> Oakland judge who convicted a speeder "on the officer's testimony that
|> the driver's car sounded like it was being driven at an excessive speed."

*cough* *choke*  WHAT?!?  if a cop gave me a ticket for "sounding" like
i was speeding i'd probably show up in court without a lawyer simply
because "sounding" like speeding is ridiculous.  if i was found guilty
i'd appeal and then show up with a lawyer.

if a cop doesn't do one of:

VASCAR (from car or plane)
RADAR, LIDAR, other electronic speed measuring device
pace me

and i'm within 15mph or so of the limit i'd go to court.  i can accept a
cop "seeing" me going excessively fast (like 25+ over the limit) but
"he looked like he was going 70 or so in a 55 zone" is not "beyond a
reasonable doubt".  granted i may well lose the case but 70 in a 55 measured
by eye???  take it to court for sure.

axel


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103179
From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Protective gear

In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>Question for the day:
>
>What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
>rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
>leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
>leather pants, what?

What's your favorite body part? :-)

-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103180
From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year

In article <1993Apr5.182851.23410@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>In article <1993Mar30.214419.923@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:
 
>> That would be low drag bars and way rad rearsets for the FJ, so that the 
>> ergonomic constraints would have contraceptive consequences?
>
>Ouch. :-)   This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the
>Hurt Study.   Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity
>to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended
>that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function
>provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the
>gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the 
>rider doesn't.  I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers
>have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the 
>CBR900RR and the GTS1000A.

I dunno, on my old GS1000E the tank-seat junction was nice and smooth.
But if you were to travel all the way forward, you'd collect the top
triple-clamp in a sensitive area. I'd hate to have to make the choice,
but I think I'd prefer the FJ's gas tank. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103181
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP

Interesting.  I'd fight the ticket.  First off, there's a 50/50 chance
the cop won't show up.  Secondly, if he does show up, you should point
out that he lied (purgered) on the ticket.  Why 70+?  I beleive that if
yo're charged with going more than 15mph that the posted speed it's a
more severe ticket.  You couldn't have p[ossibly been going 70+, right?!

-- 
|  max@queernet.org  |   Max J. Rochlin   |  {uunet,sgi}!unpc!max  |
+------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                 Protect me from what I want...                   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103182
From: pnakada@oracle.com (Paul Nakada)
Subject: Eating and Riding was Re: Drinking and Riding


What's the feeling about eating and riding?  I went out riding this
weekend, and got a little carried away with some pecan pie.  The whole
ride back I felt sluggish.  I was certainly much more alert on the
ride in.  I'm sure others have the same feeling, but the strangest
thing is that eating is usually the turnaround point of weekend rides.

From now on, a little snack will do.  I'd much rather have a get that
full/sluggish feeling closer to home.

-Paul
--
Paul Nakada | Oracle Corporation | pnakada@oracle.com
DoD #7773 | '91 R100C | '90 K75S

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103183
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Protective gear

In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>
>I'm still looking for good gloves, myself,
>as the ones I have now are too loose.

	When you find some new ones, I suggest donating the ones
	you have now to the Lautrec family in France... <grin>

				Michael

-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103184
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: Goldwing performance

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) / 11:06 am  Apr  1, 1993 /
In article <1pf2hs$b4d@transfer.stratus.com>, cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
(R. Craig Dodson) wrote:
 
> From the summary in the back of Motorcyclist, they run the 1/4 in
> 13.07 at about 100 mph. Interestingly enough, this Winnebago of bikes
> is faster than any of the Harleys listed. 

  It depreciates much faster, too.
   
====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.
----------
The '84 GL1200A hit the traps at 13.34 according to Cycle magazine. Yeah,
they depreciate faster than Harleys for the first couple of years then
they bottom out. Got my '86 GL1200I w/ 2275 miles on the odometer for
just under $5K in May of 1990 and would ask for $4500 now with almost
16K miles onnit....that's about 50% of what a new GL1500I would cost.

Think the '86 GL1200I originally sold for $6500 brand new, not sure. 
If that's the case then it depreciated 30.77% over 7 years or a mere
$2000. Big Fat Hairy Deal! Based on what I know, Harleys tend to
depreciate your monies far more than the initial depreciation of
the bike itself when it comes to parts and service. All this about
Harleys holding their value better doesn't always wash away the
knocks on them...such as being much slower. ;-) 

According to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a
real dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that
doesn't defecate much. =:-]  
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Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division,
350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103185
From: marty@misty.ca.boeing.com (marty capadona)
Subject: Data Logging?

Greetings:

Can someone steer me towards sources of information on vehicle data
logging systems?  In  particular, I would like to build/buy (or a little
of both) a system that is small enough to fit on a motorcycle and will
take input from various sensors (pressure, LVDT's, acceleration, RPM,
O2 sensor...), digitize and record it for later analysis.  

Please email me any info.  If I get anything interesting, I'll compile
it and get it on the net.  Thanks.

   _______________________________________________________________________
   marty capadona                              marty@carter.ca.boeing.com
                                               seattle, wa
   82 gpz750, 82 gs1100, 88 hawk gt, 90 gs500
   ama, msf, wmrra, omrra...                   Forget what I said.
   _______________________________________________________________________



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103186
From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

Norman Hamer (maven@eskimo.com) wrote:
:  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
: you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
: don't ride until tomorrow"?

It depends on how badly you want to live.  The FAA says "eight hours, bottle
to throttle" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours.  The FARs specify
a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than
twice as strict as DWI minimums.

BTW, alcohol metabolizes in your blood at a fixed rate -- one beer/hour will
keep your blood/alcohol level barely street-legal.  Coffee, hyperventilation
and other bar tricks won't speed it up nor will they fool Mr. Ranger.
-- 
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates				   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103187
From: todd@psgi.UUCP (Todd Doolittle)
Subject:  Fork Seals 

I'm about to undertake changing the fork seals on my '88 EX500.  My Clymer
manual says I need the following tools from Kawasaki:

57001-183  (T handle looking thing in illustration)
57001-1057 (Some type of adapter for the end of the T handle)
57001-1091 No illustration of this tool and the manual just refers to it
           as "the kawasaki tool."
57001-1058 Oil seal and bearing remover.

How necessary are these tools?  Considering the dealers around here didn't
have the Clymer manual, fork seals, and a turn signal assembly in stock I
really doubt they have these tools in stock and I'd really like to get this
done this week.   Any help would be appreciated as always.

--

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  ..vela.acs.oakland.edu!psgi!todd  | '88 RM125 The only bike sold without
  Todd Doolittle                    |           a red-line.         
  Troy, MI                          | '88 EX500                      
  DoD #0832                         |                           
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103188
From: "Jae W. Chang" <jc7j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: BMW R65 info wanted


Hi, someone is selling his bmw R65 ( I think it's an '84 ) w/ 15k
miles for $2200. He says it's in great condition and perfect shape.
It's got the 2 hard saddle bags, too. 

Is this a good deal? Seems like an awesome deal. Is it - assuming that
everything he says is true ?

Thanks,

Jae

--------------------------
jae@cmu.edu 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103189
From: todd@psgi.UUCP (Todd Doolittle)
Subject: Re:  Motorcycle Courier (Summer Job)

In article <1poj23INN9k@west.West.Sun.COM> gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot) writes:
>In article <8108.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> \
>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes:
>%
>% I think I've found the ultimate summer job: It's dangerous, involves
>% motorcycles, requires high speeds in traffic, and it pays well.
>% 
>% So my question is as follows: Has anyone here done this sort of work?
>% What was your experience?
>% 
[Stuff deleted]
>   Get a -good- "AtoZ" type indexed streetmap for all of the areas  you're
>   likely to work.   Always carry  plenty of black-plastic  bin liners  to

Check with the local fire department.  My buddy is a firefighter and they
have these small map books which are Amazing!  They are compact, easy to
use (no folding).  They even have a cross reference section in which you
match your current cross streets with the cross streets you want to go to
and it details the quickest route.  They gave me an extra they had laying
around.  But then again I know all those people I'm not really sure if they
are supposed to give/sell them. (The police may also have something
similar).
 
>-- 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------

--

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  ..vela.acs.oakland.edu!psgi!todd  | '88 RM125 The only bike sold without
  Todd Doolittle                    |           a red-line.         
  Troy, MI                          | '88 EX500                      
  DoD #0832                         |                           
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103190
From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha)
Subject: Help with backpack



As summer approaches, the usual preparations are being made...

Me was thinking of going for some overnite camping trips in the local
state forests. For that I was planning to get a backpack/rucksack. 
The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given
the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12" high) and
was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest.

Any one have any experiences on such experimentation?

Taking the idea further, what would happen if the backpack was fully
loaded with a full load (40lbs). Is the load distribution going to 
be very severly affected? How will the bike perform with such a load 
clinging to the back rest. If I really secure it, with no shifting, 
do I still increase my chances of surfing?


Collective r.m. wisdom requested.  


p.s. I really can't afford leather pants. Boots and jeans are
all I can make do with. What you think of the knee protectors
which rollerbladers use - the one L.L.Bean and like sells. Is 
that a Bad Idea (tm). Are there any equivalents?



-- 
   '81 CB650 						DoD #1224

	   I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103191
From: gdoherty@us.oracle.com (Greg Doherty)
Subject: BMW '90 K75RT For Sale

[this is posted for a friend, please reply to dschick@holonet.net]

1990 BMW K75RT FOR SALE

Asking 5900.00 or best offer.
This bike has a full faring and is great for touring or commuting. It has
about 30k miles and has been well cared for. The bike comes with one hard
saddle bag (the left one; the right side bag was stolen), a Harro tank bag
(the large one), and  an Ungo Box alarm. Interested? Then Please drop me a
line.
DAS

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103192
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) writes:

> In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> >  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours 
> > after you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink 
> > tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow"?
> 
> 1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks.
> 1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks.
> 2 hours/drink for the rest.

I took an alcohol server's class a few years ago.  (What the hey- my employer
paid for it...)

We were told that the 1 drink / hour rule was written with 80 proof booze
and a 195 pound person in mind.  Drinking Cuervo Gold, weighing in @ 140,
I obviously will get drunk faster than the theoretical person mentioned
above.  Worse, imagine Rum & coke made with Bacardi 151...

Mind you all, that's for getting too drunk to drive a car.  I may only
have been riding for a month or so, but I plan my evenings with a very
rigid exclusive or statement: Either don't drink, or don't ride.
Pretty simple.

> 
> These are fairly cautious guidelines, and will work even if you happen to 
> have a low tolerance or body mass.
> I think the cops and "Don't You Dare Drink & Drive" (tm) commercials will 
> usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you 
> could very well be over the legal limit. 
> Watch yourself.
> -Mike

Sorry, mike, I have to believe that that policy works best as fertilizer,
even if all you plan to do is drive home nice and "safe" in your cage...

>   ________________________________________________
>  / Mike Muise / mjmuise@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca \ no quotes, no jokes,
>  \ Electrical Engineering, University of Waterloo / no disclaimer, no fear.


--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103193
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

> In article <MJMUISE.38.733926270@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> MJMUISE@1302.wats
> }I think the cops and "Don't You Dare Drink & Drive" (tm) commercials will 
> }usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you 
> }could very well be over the legal limit. 
> }Watch yourself.
> 
> Indeed, especially if you are "smart" and eat some food with your
> drink. The food coating the stomach lining (especially things like
> milk) can temporarily retard the absorption of alcohol. When the
> food is digested, the absorption will proceed, and you will
> actually be drunker (i.e., have a higher instantaneous BAC) than
> you would have been if you had drunk 1 drink/hr. on an empty stomach.
> 
> Put another way, food can cause you to be less drunk than drinking on
> an empty stomach early on in those five hours, but more drunk than
> drinking on an empty stomach later in those five hours.
> -- 
> Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
> DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George
> "There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
>  in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Again, from my alcohol server's class:
The absolute *most* that eating before drinking can do is slow the absorption
down by 15 minutes.  That gives me time to eat, slam one beer, and ride like
hell to try to make it home in the 10 minutes left after paying, donning 
helmet & gloves, starting bike...


--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103194
From: ci513@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Kelly)
Subject: MGNOC ADDRESS?



If anyone has the current Moto Guzzi National Owners Club
address please e-mail it to me. Thanks in advance!
T.K.
-- 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103195
From: ramage@ece.scarolina.edu (Dan Ramage)
Subject: Re: Help with backpack

sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) writes:



>As summer approaches, the usual preparations are being made...

>Me was thinking of going for some overnite camping trips in the local
>state forests. For that I was planning to get a backpack/rucksack. 
>The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given
>the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12" high) and
>was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest.

>Any one have any experiences on such experimentation?

>Taking the idea further, what would happen if the backpack was fully
>loaded with a full load (40lbs). Is the load distribution going to 
>be very severly affected? How will the bike perform with such a load 
>clinging to the back rest. If I really secure it, with no shifting, 
>do I still increase my chances of surfing?

I ride my bike regularly to classes with my book bag.  I take
the shoulder straps on the bag, and hook them around the rear turn
signals.  I works fine.  You probably will want to attach it with
a bungee cord to keep it from shifting to one side or another.


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|'86 Vulcan 750			|DoD#0798			      |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103196
Subject: Re: New Hudson 1929 questions
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca

davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:

> Dave Tharp CDS (davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com) wrote:
> : In article <kmR91B1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
> : >
> : >One of their main designers, Bert Le Vack, broke many records at 
> : >Brooklands in the late '20's.
> 
> :   In the early 20's Bert Le Vack set records on INDIANS, including
> : 107.5 MPH at Brooklands in November of 1921, on a 61 in^3 Powerplus
> : racing model.
> 
> Must have been a busy lad, he was also a tuner and all round guru at JAP and 
> worked with George Brough.
> 
> Can someone post me details of "The illustrated Ecyclopedia of Motorcycles", 
> sounds like a book I ought to have a copy of.
> 


Sure, I can. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Motorcycles, edited by Erwin 
Tragatsch, was published by The Hamlyn Publishing Group Limited, 
Astronaut House, Hounslow Road, Feltham, Middlesex, England.

It was first published in 1977, and mine was reprinted in 1978. Cost then 
was Pounds 5.95 in the UK, though I paid 18.50 for it in Canadian 
dollars. I have no idea whether it's still in print. Perhaps you could 
let the net know.

Bob.

Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | If Lucas built weapons, wars
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | would never start, either.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103197
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: This just in . . . .

In article <1993Apr2.144102.7445@rd.hydro.on.ca>,
	 jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes...
>In article <1993Apr01.155407.11314@i88.isc.com> 
>	jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>In article <1993Mar31.175023.18928@rchland.ibm.com>
>>	 pooder@msus1.msus.edu	 writes:

>>>>sampled recently were using unauthorized software, the Inspector General
>>>>said in a new report.

>>The Inspector General?

>>Make way, for His Excellency, The Inspector General!


>>(...Hail, hail to Brodney, to the sky...)

>Behold the Lord High Executioner...

>no, that's something else.

	I've already discussed this in e-mail with Jonathan.  It's the film
"The Inspector General"  [:-)], with Danny Kaye, although I can't quote the
name of the leading lady (Because Maltin doesn't :-().  Jonathan thinks there
was an earlier Russian film; "Movies on TV" just says it was based on a Gogol
(Yes, Jonathan, I looked it up again -- only two o's) story.

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103198
From: Brian.Vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu (Brian Vaughan)
Subject: FOR SALE 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 (Michigan)

For sale 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 with 6682 miles.
Excellent condition. Kept in a garage.  Asking $2200.

      - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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      earned  my  contempt.   He  has been  given a  large brain by
      mistake, since for him the  spinal cord would  fully suffice.
                       -- Albert Einstein --
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      Brian Vaughan                   brian_vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103199
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: "Beer" unto bicyclists

In article <31MAR199308594057@erich.triumf.ca>, ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan
D. Reid) wrote:
> 
> In article <tcora-250393111517@b329-gator-1.pica.army.mil>,
> 	 tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes...
> >mxcrew@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (The MX-Crew) wrote:
> >> just an information (no flame war please): Budweiser is a beer from the
> >> old CSFR (nowadays ?Tschechien? [i just know the german word]).
> 
> >Czechoslovakia. Budweiser Budwar (pronounced bud-var).
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	Not any more, a short while ago (Jan 1st?) it split into The Czech
> Republic and Slovakia.  Actually, I think for a couple of years its official
> name was "The Czech and Slovak Republics".  Sheesh!  Don't you guys get CNN??

CNN=YuppieTV

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103200
From: bakalis@apollo.HP.COM (Steven Bakalis)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP

In article <1pqarb$fnq@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, crucej@osshe.edu (Jerry Cruce) writes:
|> Peter Nesbitt (0005111312@mcimail.com) wrote:
|> : Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by
|> : a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road.  The
|> : officer stated "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down
|> : highway 12.  You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75."  I just said okay,
|> : and did not agree or disagree to anything he said. 
|> 

1) The next time you get stoped by a cop, never never never admit to anything.

2) Don't volunteer any information.

3) When a retoracle question is ask by the cop, like "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down highway 12.  You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75?" -- the correct reponse is to deny it. This technique is employed by police to help establish guilt, especially when (9 times out of 10) he/she is not sure who was doing the speeding. If the cop is unsure this may be the difference of him letting you off the hook or getting the tissue.

Hope this helps for next time.

Steven Bakalis

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103201
From: frahm@ucsu.colorado.edu (Joel A. Frahm)
Subject: Re: Identify this bike for me


In article <1993Apr6.002937.9237@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>In article <1993Apr5.193804.18482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes:
>}first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
>}but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it.  Additionally,
>
I think I've seen this bike.  Is it all white, with a sea-green stripe
and just 'HONDA' for decals, I've seen such a bike numerous times over
by Sewall hall at CU, and I thought it was a race-prepped CBR. 
I didn't see it over at the EC parking lot (I buzzed over there on my 
way home, all of 1/2 block off my route!)  but it was gone.

Is a single sided swingarm available for the CBR?  I would imagine so, 
kinda neccisary for quick tire changes.  When I first saw it, I assumed it
was a bike repainted to cover crash damage.

Joel.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103202
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: Help with backpack

Sanjay Sinha (sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu) wrote:

: The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given
: the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12" high) and
: was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest.

: Any one have any experiences on such experimentation?

Put the pack on the pillion and bungee it to the backrest.
If that is not possible then you should be able to bungee it behind the
backrest, just make sure it doesn't bend or break anything like the rear
fender or turnsignals.
--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* "Cars making a sudden U-turn are the most dangerous.  They may cut you off  *
*  entirely, blocking the whole roadway and leaving you no place to go."      *
*  pg. 21, MSF Motorcycle Operator Manual, sixth rev. 1991                    *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103203
From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling)
Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)

In article <1993Apr4.135829.28141@pro-haven.cts.com>,
shadow@pro-haven.cts.com writes:
|>In <1993Apr3.094509.11448@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
|>asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
|>
|>% By the way, the short-lived Zephyr is essentially a GpZ 550,
|>
|>Why was the "Zephyr" discontinued?  I heard something about a problem with
|>the name, but I never did hear anything certain... 

Ford had an anemic mid-sized car by that name back in the last decade.
I rented one once.  That car would ruin the name "Zephyr" for any other
use.

Rod
---               
Roderick Sprattling		| No job too great, no time too small
sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com	| With feet to fire and back to wall.





 






 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103204
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year

In article <1993Apr5.182851.23410@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>
>Ouch. :-)   This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the
>Hurt Study.   Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity
>to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended
>that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function
>provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the
>gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the 
>rider doesn't.  I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers
>have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the 
>CBR900RR and the GTS1000A.

	When I'm riding my 900RR, my goodies are already up
	against the tank, because the design of the Corbin seat
	tends to move you forward.

	Wouldn't the major danger to one's cajones be due to
	accelerating into and then being stopped by the tank?  If
	you're already there, there wouldn't be an impact
	problem, would there?

				- Michael -


-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103205
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo?

In article <6APR93.15402582@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:
>I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo.  I'm 
>considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US)
>with 30,000 km on the odo.  This will be my first bike.  Any comments?

	Don't just nab it, POUNCE on it.  These are fairly rare bikes, and
they are MORE than adequate for putting a big brown stripe in your shorts.
Does a 50mph power wheelie appeal to you?  I thought it would...

	Only really bad things:  the stock clutch isn't up to the task.
Barnett can take care of this.  The back tire wears quickly (gee, wonder why?),
and the induction system is a bear to work on.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103206
From: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky)
Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools

In article <1993Apr5.165548.21479@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>	While we're on the subject, has anyone else noticed that the 1/2" deep
>well in Craftsman's $60 SAE deep well set is too small to fit a 1/2" bolt or
>nut?
>
>	When I took the socket in for an exchange, EVERY !#%@ one of the 1/2"
>deep well sockets on the rack had the exact same problem!!!  Looking into the
>socket, it appears that Craftsman's toolmaker attempted to imitate flank drive
>on this piece, but did not account for the extra clearance needed inside the
>socket.

Never had any problem with mine...

Are you *SURE* the nut/bolt you are trying is really a 1/2" hex?  13mm
is just slightly larger...  and a 1/2 wrench won't fit on a GM 13mm
nut (my 91 GMC pickup has several 13mm nuts on it...  really annoying, metric
threads too.  Seems that most of the body is metric, most of the engine is
SAE).


-- 
--=< Jonathan Lusky ----- lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >=-- 
     \    89 Jeep Wrangler - 258/for sale!       / 
      \        79 Rx-7 - 12A/Holley 4bbl        / 
       \________67 Camaro RS - 350/4spd________/ 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103207
From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article <C52nnt.J3I@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (R
ussell P. Hughes) writes:
>What a great day! Got back home last night from some fantastic skiing
>in Colorado, and put the battery back in the FXSTC. Cleaned the plugs,
>opened up the petcock, waited a minute, hit the starter, and bingo it
>started up like a charm! Spent a restless night anticipating the first
>ride du saison, and off I went this morning to get my state inspection
>done. Now my bike is stock (so far) except for HD slash-cut pipes, and
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Therein lies the rub.  The HD slash cut, or baloney cuts as some call
them, ARE NOT STOCK mufflers.  They're sold for "off-road use only,"
and are much louder than stock mufflers.

Arnie

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103208
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?

This morning a truck that had been within my sight (and I within
his) for about 3 miles suddenly forgot that I existed and pulled
over right on me -- my front wheel was about even with the back
edge of his front passenger door as I was accelerating past him.

It was trivial enough for me to tap the brakes and slide behind him
as he slewed over (with no signal, of course) on top of me, with
my little horn blaring (damn, I need Fiamms!), but the satisfaction
of being aware of my surroundings and thus surviving was not enough,
especially when I later pulled up alongside the bastard and he made
no apologetic wave or anything.

Is there some way that I can memorize the license plate of an
offending vehicle and get the name and address of the owner?
I'm not going to firebomb houses or anything, I'd just like to
write a consciousness-raising letter or two. I think that it would
be good for BDI cagers to know that We Know Where They Live.
Maybe they'd use 4 or 5 brain cells while driving instead of the
usual 3.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103209
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Subject: Re: CNN California MC helmet law article


  <jlp.733424226@wink>, jlp@blink.att.com (Jon Peticolas(x7058)) writes:
> 
> Hey! it works. You could present the paragraph above to virtually any member
> of the non-motorcycling public and they'll buy right into it.
> 
> Just about any argument you can produce in favor of banning helmetless
> riding can be used to argue in favor of banning motorcycles.
> It's just a matter of degree.

That's absurd! That statement must therefore say that any argument in favor
of seatbelts or airbags is an argument against automobiles.  Any argument
for lifeguards is an argument against swimming.  It says that any agrgument
in favor of safety precautions is an argument for banning the activity to 
which the precautions apply.  Extrapolating to that degree is ridiculous,
there wouldn't be any normal human activity left to do; therefore it is
a non-seqitur.

Also, even though most people do not ride motorcycles, they do boat, sail,
jetski, climb, ski, fly parachute, hang-glide, glide, bungee-jump, bike,
skate, rollerblade, skateboard, play rugby (ouch), mow the lawn, rewire
the basement, operate heavy machinery,  and do a host of other 'dangerous'
things that would all be as valid as motorcycling as activities to ban.
Your little homily applies to all those things, and the general public
buying into banning motorcycles without realizing that their activity
would be next is unlikely.

-- 
 | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "Donuts!  Is there anything they     |
 | DoD# 541   Diviner of Dreams       |  can't do? "           Homer         |
 | HIFI# 2                            |                                      |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103210
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article <C52nnt.J3I@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Russell P. Hughes) writes:
}start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB,
}and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna

Next time make the numbers more believable -- this is poor flamebait.
120 DB is getting close to the sound of a jumbo jet engine at takeoff
revs from some small number of yards away. It is certainly right
around the pain threshold for humans. No way in hell the state permits
110 DB if they have any standard at all.

-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103211
From: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM (elaine 'beano' leffler)
Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)

In article 3126@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
>By the way Bob, er Dave (sorry!), I had read a review that said the 550
>engine was pretty much identical to the GPz, but that the suspension
>and frame is more modern. 

the fancy piggyback shocks on the 550 (and the 750, i think.  i don't
know about the zr1100) are very nice, 3-way adjustability.  the forks
are crappy, they dive like MAD.  i had progressive springs installed
and it made a huge difference.  cheap fix, MUCH improvement.

elef

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103212
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: How NOT to put a motor together

In article <1993Apr6.183553.19539@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>In article <65886@mimsy.umd.edu>, leavitt@cs (Mr. Bill) writes:
>
>[put pistons in bores first then lower onto bottom end deleted]
>
>>Has anybody actually carried out this procedure?  I can visualize fewer
>>problems with canting pistons in the cylinders with this method, but
>>more trouble with keeping the bores suspended (especially for the first
>>two pistons) and with working space to insert piston pins and clips
>>(especially for the last two pistons).

    It is certainly possible, and quite easy in most cases, especially
on two-strokes.  It's very common to do this on bikes where the
cylinder-mounting through-studs don't prevent the cylinder from being
removed with the engine in the frame.
    I did this when I assembled the top end on my Indian, which was
easier yet because it does not have through-studs.  Base flange studs,
and separate head bolts, dontchaknow.
    You have to use a little foresight, rags, duct tape, etc. to keep
clips from falling in, clothespins, hoseclamps, etc. to support the
cylinder while you're inserting the pins.
    (Are these called Gudgeon Pins in the UK? If so, what's a Gudgeon?)

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| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
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|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103213
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Why mod a ZX-11? (was ZX-11 #4 cylinder running HOT,)

In <1993Apr1.212334.14870@exu.ericsson.se> lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes:

>In article <1993Apr1.173354.14424@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>

>Power? hmmmmmm, well I haven't got it on the dyno or jetted. (waiting for the snow
>to melt) Although I have a Factory jet kit + 4' advance,(jets are 145s, the stock
>is 140, my book says 130 Calif.-> 150 UK, strange?), I don't want to fit it unless
>there is a dyno handy.

  I've heard that bikes tuned to perfection on the Dyno can be a little
too close to the edge for street use. Cold morning, bad gas, etc.

  Apparently they back them of some even for track use. 

 You pays your money ...

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous



















>--
>Stamos <lmcstst@lmc.ericsson.se>            ZZR11            Ellas
>Ericsson, Cellular Design
>Montreal, Canada.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103214
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (1)

davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
]In article <1076@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
]>cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
][bozo posts GIFS to rec.moto]
]>he and his postmaster are also gonna get 500 copies of the post in their 
]>mailboxes.
]
]   Hey, it's a great picture.  You can't fault his taste, only his
]technique.  Chill out and educate instead of getting your panties in a
]bunch.

ditto to you Dave. I'm using the picture as the bacground on my sun, and
I haven't sent a single message to the guy. looks like you get to keep the
panties.

-- 
Joe Senner -- joe@Rider.Cactus.Org                                 Austin, TX

WARNING: DO NOT LOOK INTO LASER WITH REMAINING EYE.
                   -- Posted in a radioactive isotope research lab (from r.h.f)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103215
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

In article <C514ut.A5I@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:
{drinking & riding}
> It depends on how badly you want to live.  The FAA says "eight hours, bottle
> to throttle" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours.  The FARs specify
> a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than
> twice as strict as DWI minimums.

0.20 is DWI in New York?  Here the limit is 0.08 !
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103216
Subject: Re: Protective gear
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

In article <734055654snz@morgan.demon.co.uk>, tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) writes:
> In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca writes:
>>In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>>>What protective gear is the most important?
>>
>>I would go for the gloves. There's not a whole lot that you can do in life if
>>you have no skin on your hands. 
> 
> Yup! Ruins your sex life!

YOUR sex life, maybe....
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103217
Subject: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Russell P. Hughes)

What a great day! Got back home last night from some fantastic skiing
in Colorado, and put the battery back in the FXSTC. Cleaned the plugs,
opened up the petcock, waited a minute, hit the starter, and bingo it
started up like a charm! Spent a restless night anticipating the first
ride du saison, and off I went this morning to get my state inspection
done. Now my bike is stock (so far) except for HD slash-cut pipes, and
all went well with my New Hampshire State Inspection (meaning all my
lights worked OK) until the dude produces a decibel meter and tells me
about the new NH law about MC noise.....huh?  sez I....and he has me
start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB,
and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna
be a whole lotta seriously pissed off bikers round here when they go
for inspection.

*&%^*$%*^*%*&

But hey, its a new experience! I have never really felt like a menace
to society before! I parked, dismounted and walked in to my building
with a slight swagger to my step, and a narrow lidded look... I sensed
my faculty colleagues unease with my new intimidating status...and
women's glances seemed to linger just a little longer....or perhaps
that was my imagination.......*sigh*

Now I need to install my new BUB pipes and single fire ignition....I
wonder how I will do after that!? 

Russ Hughes  '92 FXSTC  DoD# 6022(10E20)
"Love ...yeah, that's the feeling you get when you like something
as much as your motorcycle."
                     --Sonny Barger (as told to me by Ed Campbell,
                  who has an old friend who was there at the time)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103218
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: insect impacts

In article <2385@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
>
>	For those who have had problems with small birds what about the
>	large raptor types when they are swooping across the road after
>	smallish prey?? I had a hawk, Falcon what ever come within 5
>	feet of me, lucky for him (or me for that matter) he noticed me
>	and my, and pulled up on his/her trajectory at the last moment.
>	Scared the shit outa me...nothing like a red tailed hawk in the
>	face, Talons and all....I wonder if riding a Nighthawk has
>	anything to do with it....hmmmm?
>
>			Ryan
>			0780

I got a male Mallard duck in the chest once.

It was like being kicked by my karate instructor.

No accident, but my eyes were tearing so hard, and I was wheezing
so loudly, that it's quite remarkable that I was able to come
to a stop with the rubber side up.

The duck, BTW, lived, and seemed quite healthy, though we both
sat by the roadside and shook our heads for a few minutes.

The bruise went from my right collar bone all the way down to
my belly button.

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103219
From: wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake)
Subject: EC BHP limit vetoed

According to BBC Radio this morning, UK, Denmark, Portugal & a few
others have vetoed a proposal to limit EC-sold bikes to 100 BHP.  The
reason is that such a limit is not supported by accident statistics - a
rare example of governmental wisdom.  The limit has a five year
moratorium on it, and "specialist" manufacturers will be exempt anyway. 
Any suspicion that this is a crafty trick to restrict that end of the
market in Europe to Triumph, Norton (who? :-)), BMW, Cagiva & Ducati is
the sort of dangerous rubbish which stalls GATT talks.

You heard it here first.

Bill @ Univ Edinburgh, replete with 12 hp and a healthy blue exhaust.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103220
From: ewm@cbnews.cb.att.com (edward.w.mcfarland)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP

In article <dmatejkaC51DMB.LH6@netcom.com> dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes:
>In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes:
>>       Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.
>>       Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982
>>
>>The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let
>>us know how it goes.
>>
>  Daniel Matejka writes:
>  The fourth edition is out, too.  But it's probably also not
>very high on UCB's "gotta have that" list.
>
>In article <65930405053856/0005111312NA1EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes:
>>Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by
>>a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road.  The
>>officer stated "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down
>>highway 12.  You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75."  I just said okay,
>>and did not agree or disagree to anything he said. 
>
>  Can you beat this ticket?  Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen
>to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up
>and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon.

Right on, it is every citizen's right and duty to FORCE government
accountability.

(anecdotes deleted)

>  I've never tried proving the cop was mistaken.  I did get to see
>some other poor biker try it.  He was mixing up various facts like
>the maximum acceleration of a (cop) car, and the distance at which
>the cop had been pacing him, and end up demonstrating that he couldn't
>possibly have been going as fast as the cop had suggested.  He'd
>brought diagrams and a calculator.  He was Prepared.  He lost.  Keep
>in mind cops do this all the time, and their word is better than yours.

Also keep in mind that cops will LIE in court to get their way! (don't get
me started by asking how I know ;) If you decide to fight you have to be ready
for this as well as devise strategy to make the cop's story doubtful in the
judge/jury's mind.

>Maybe, though, they don't guess how fast bikes are going all the time.
>Besides, this guy didn't speak English very well, and ended up absolutely
>confounding the judge, the cop, and everyone else in the room who'd been
>recently criminalized by some twit with a gun and a quota.
>  Ahem.  OK, I'm better now.  Maybe he'd have won had his presentation
>been more polished.  Maybe not.  He did get applause.
                                                  |~~~~~|  
                                                  |_____|
  Ed McFarland  ewm@mvuzr.att.com            (_) /|
  US Marshalls #9 (corner marshals)         /| |/
  The best seat in the house to watch        |_|
  motorcycle roadracing!                    /   \  NO Passing on Waving Yellow

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103221
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Carrying crutches (was Re: Living

In article <1pqhkl$g48@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
	 ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes...
>	When I got my knee rebuilt I got back on the street bike ASAP. I put
>the crutches on the rack and the passenger seat and they hung out back a
>LONG way. Just make sure they're tied down tight in front and no problemo.
 ^^^^
	Hmm, sounds like a useful trick -- it'd keep the local cagers at least
a crutch-length off my tail-light, which is more than they give me now.  But
do I have to break a leg to use it?

	(When I broke my ankle dirt-biking, I ended up strapping the crutches
to the back of the bike & riding to the lab.  It was my right ankle, but the
bike was a GT380 and started easily by hand.)

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.     "Beware drainage ditches on firetrails"	DoD #484

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103222
From: howp@skyfox
Subject: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo?

I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo.  I'm 
considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US)
with 30,000 km on the odo.  This will be my first bike.  Any comments?

Thanks.

Peter How
Institute of Space and Atmospheric Studies
University of Saskatchewan,
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
CANADA
(306) 966-6452
IN::how@skisas.usask.ca
**********************************************************************
*                      1983 clapped-out Ford Truck                   *
**********************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103223
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Its still cold, but...


>> 
>> One thing is certain, though, its still too cold.  After about 40
>> minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while.  

Be VERY careful about this. If youre really cold the muffler will
feel fine till you leave all the charred skin on it when you peel
your hands off - I speak from experience. You can also do all 
kindsa (Americanism of the day) damage to your circulation warming 
hands up on something too hot. By far the best (fastest and safest)
way to do it is to shove the hands up the opposit sleeves and
stand there like a Ming emporer for a while. Five minutes should 
do it.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103224
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: re: Its still cold, but...

>first ride of the season.
>
One thing is certain, though, its still too cold.  After about 40
>minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while.  When I got
>home after a few hours, I kept all my gear on for about a half hour
>in the house.  40F, 100% humidity, no wind protection, and 75mph
>do not mix well.
>

Hell! This is WARM. I retired my fleece from under the Aerostich last 
month when the temperature got aboce 40. Try living a couple of years 
on the dole, so you cant afford any heating. You put the gear on in
October, abd you take it off again in May. Getting out on the bike 
seems like a luxury in comparison cos oyur usuallu going somewhere 
warm. 

Its all relative.

>
>Happy cold riding.
>

Who are you trying to kid - its the pain that makes it all worthwhile.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103225
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Freezing and Riding

>every spec of alertness to keep from getting squished, otherwise it's not
>only dangerous, it's unpleasant. The same goes for cold and fatigue, as I
>once took a half hour nap at a gas station to insure that I would make it

Yeah, hypothermia is MUCH more detrimemtal to your judgement and reactions
than people realise. I wish I had the patience to stop when I should. One
day I'll pay for it....

If you  begin to shiver - STOP and warm up thoroughly. If you leave it
till the shivering stops, this doesnt mean you're OK again, it means 
you're a danger to yourself and everyone else on the road - your brain
and body are working about as fast as a tree grows. You will not realise
this yourself till you hit something. The next stage is passing out. 
This usually means falling off.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103226
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding


>So, you can't ride the bike, but you will drive truck home? The
>judgement and motor skills needed to pilot a moto are not required in a
>cage? This scares the sh*t out of me.
>  
This is a piece of psychology its essential for any long term biker to
understand. People do NOT think 'if I do this will someone else suffer?'.
They assess things purely on' if I do this will I suffer?.

This is a vital concept in bike-cage interaction.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103227
From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: Eating and Riding was Re: Drinking and Riding

In article <PNAKADA.93Apr5140811@pnakada.oracle.com> Paul Nakada,
pnakada@oracle.com writes:
>
>What's the feeling about eating and riding?  I went out riding this
>weekend, and got a little carried away with some pecan pie.  The whole
>ride back I felt sluggish.  I was certainly much more alert on the
>ride in.  I'm sure others have the same feeling, but the strangest
>thing is that eating is usually the turnaround point of weekend rides.
>
>From now on, a little snack will do.  I'd much rather have a get that
>full/sluggish feeling closer to home.
>
>-Paul
>--
>Paul Nakada | Oracle Corporation | pnakada@oracle.com
>DoD #7773 | '91 R100C | '90 K75S
>

To maintain my senses at their sharpest, I never eat a full meal
within 24 hrs of a ride.   I've tried Slim Fast Lite before a 
ride but found that my lap times around the Parliament Buildings suffered 
0.1 secs.   The resultant 70 pound weight loss over the summer
just sharpens my bike's handling and I can always look
forward to a winter of carbo-loading.

Obligatory 8:)

Dave D.F.
"It's true they say that money talks.  When mine spoke it said
'Buy me a Drink!'."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103228
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo?


In a previous article, howp@skyfox () says:

>I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo.  I'm 
>considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US)
>with 30,000 km on the odo.  This will be my first bike.  Any comments?
			     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Because of this I cannot in good faith recommend a Seca Turbo.  Power
delivery is too uneven for a novice.  The Official (tm) Dod newbie
bike of choice would be more appropriate because the powerband is so wide
and delivery is very smooth. Perfect for the beginner.


-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103229
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: insect impacts

I feel childish.

In article <1ppvds$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>>>
>>>>how _do_ the helmetless do it?
>>>
>>>Um, the same way people do it on 
>>>horseback
>>
>>not as fast, and they would probably enjoy eating bugs, anyway
>
>Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain.  And we eat
>flies, thank you.

Who mentioned dirtbikes? We're talking highway speeds here. If you go 70mph
on your dirtbike then feel free to contribute.

>>>jeeps
>>
>>you're *supposed* to keep the windscreen up
>
>then why does it go down?

Because it wouldn't be a Jeep if it didn't. A friend of mine just bought one
and it has more warning stickers than those little 4-wheelers (I guess that's
becuase it's a big 4 wheeler). Anyway, it's written in about ten places that
the windshield should remain up at all times, and it looks like they've made
it a pain to put it down anyway, from what he says. To be fair, I do admit
that it would be a similar matter to drive a windscreenless Jeep on the 
highway as for bikers. They may participate in this discussion, but they're
probably few and far between, so I maintain that this topic is of interest
primarily to bikers.

>>>snow skis
>>
>>NO BUGS, and most poeple who go fast wear goggles
>
>So do most helmetless motorcyclists.

Notice how Ed picked on the more insignificant (the lower case part) of the 
two parts of the statement. Besides, around here it is quite rare to see 
bikers wear goggles on the street. It's either full face with shield, or 
open face with either nothing or aviator sunglasses. My experience of 
bicycling with contact lenses and sunglasses says that non-wraparound 
sunglasses do almost nothing to keep the crap out of ones eyes.

>>The question still stands. How do cruiser riders with no or negligible helmets
>>stand being on the highway at 75 mph on buggy, summer evenings?
>
>helmetless != goggleless

Ok, ok, fine, whatever you say, but lets make some attmept to stick to the
point. I've been out on the road where I had to stop every half hour to clean
my shield there were so many bugs (and my jacket would be a blood-splattered
mess) and I'd see guys with shorty helmets, NO GOGGLES, long beards and tight
t-shirts merrily cruising along on bikes with no windscreens. Lets be really
specific this time, so that even Ed understands. Does anbody think that 
splattering bugs with one's face is fun, or are there other reasons to do it?
Image? Laziness? To make a point about freedom of bug splattering?

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103230
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding (eww, gross)

In article <MJMUISE.38.733926270@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) writes:
>
>1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks.
>1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks.
>2 hours/drink for the rest.

In my case it goes down after the first four, because the fifth one usually
makes me throw up the last two.

Needless to say, I don't drink very much anymore, as the last time that
happened was in the second year of my undergrad. I was a silly .edu breath,
and pretty bad breath at that.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103231
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <ls1v14INNjml@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
>
>Obcountersteer:  For some reason, I've discovered that pulling on the
>wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong
>side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control.  For
>example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn 
>right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned
>over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive.  Maybe
>I need psychological help.

I told a newbie friend of mine, who was having trouble from the complicated
explanations of his rider course, to think of using the handlebars to lean,
not to turn. Push the right handlebar "down" (or pull left up or whatever)
to lean right. It worked for him, he stopped steering with his tuchus.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103232
From: andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen)
Subject: Riding Jacket Recommendations

My old jacket is about to bite the dust so I'm in the market for a new riding
jacket.  I'm looking for  recommendations for a suitable replacement.  I would
like to buy a full Aerostich suit but I can't afford $700 for it right now.

I'm considering two basic options:

1)  Buy the Aerostich jacket only.  Dunno how much it costs
    due to recent price increases, but I'd imagine over $400.
    That may be pushing my limit.  Advantages include the fact
    that I can later add the pants, and that it nearly eliminates
    the need for the jacket portion of a rainsuit.

2)  Buy some kind of leather jacket.  I like a few of the new 
    Hein-Gericke FirstGear line, however they may be a bit pricey
    unless I can work some sort of deal.  Advantages of leather
    are potentially slightly better protection, enhanced pose
    value (we all know how important that is :-), possibly cheaper
    than upper Aerostich.

Requirements for a jacket are that it must fit over a few other 
layers (mainly a sizing thing), if leather i'd prefer a zip-out 
lining, it MUST have some body armor similar to aerostich (elbows, 
shoulders, forearms, possibly back/kidney protection, etc.), a 
reasonable amount of pocket space would be nice, ventilation would 
be a plus, however it must be wearable in cold weather (below
freezing) with layers or perhaps electrics.

Please fire away with suggestions, comments, etc...

Steve
--
-- 
 Steve Andersen  DoD #0239                               andersen@me.udel.edu
 (302) 832-0136                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
 1992 Ducati 907 I.E.                                      1987 Yamaha SRX250
 "Life is simply a consequence of the complexities of carbon chemistry..."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103233
From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen)
Subject: BRAKE ROTORS..CROSS DRILLING...1-312-702-8323



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103234
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: insect impacts

In article <1993Apr6.154544.28595@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>In article <1ppvds$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>>In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain.  And we eat
>>flies, thank you.
>Who mentioned dirtbikes? We're talking highway speeds here. If you go 70mph
>on your dirtbike then feel free to contribute.

Obviously never rode a good 250 or open-class bike!

  --------======= I am not paid to have an opinion! =======--------
  Dr. Speed                                           Suzuki GS850G
  DoD #8177

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103235
From: SRUHL@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Stefan Ruhl)
Subject: crappy Honda CX650

Hi, I just have a small question about my bike. 
Being a fairly experienced BMW and MZ-Mechanic, I just don't know what to 
think about my Honda. 
She was using too much oil for the last 5000 km (on my trip to Daytona bike 
week this spring), and all of a sudden, she trailed smoke like hell and 
was running only on one cylinder. 
I towed the bike home and took it apart, but everything looks in perfect 
working order. No cracks in the heads or pistons, the cylinder walls look 
very clean, and the wear of pistons and cylinders is not measurable. All 
still within factory specs. The only thing I could find, however, was a 
slightly bigger ring gap on the right cylinder (the one with the problem), 
but it is still way below the wear-limit given in the Clymer-manual for 
this bike. 
Any syggestions??? What else could cause my problem??? Do I have to hone 
the cylinder walls (make them a little rougher in a criss-cross-pattern) in 
order to get better breaking in of my new rings??? Won't that increase the 
wear of my pistons??
Please send comments to 
	sruhl@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Thanks in advance. Stef. 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
Stefan Ruhl 
german exchange student. 
Don't poke into my privacy ! 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103236
From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling)
Subject: Self-Insured (was: Should liability insurance be required?)

In article <viking.733962547@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu>,
viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
|>	I get annoyed at insurance.  Hence, I'm self-insured above
|>liability.  Mandating that I play their game is silly if I've a better
|>game to play and everybody is still financially secure.

What's involved in getting bonded?  Anyone know if that's an option
recognized by NYS DMV?

Rod
---
Roderick Sprattling		| No job too great, no time too small
sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com	| With feet to fire and back to wall.





 






 


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103237
From: plevine@orca.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Peter Levine)
Subject: BIKE FOR SALE ... 1986 Harley FLHTC



For sale 1986 Harley FLHTC Liberty Edition.
Good condition. Many extras. Asking $7500.
Located in Rhode Island.

      Peter Levine	plevine@ele.uri.edu






Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103238
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Goldwing performance

In article <3880206@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
|According to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a
|real dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that
|doesn't defecate much. =:-]  

  But, think of the *mystique* you are buying into for that extra $7k or
more!!!

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103239
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?

Curtis Jackson (cjackson@adobe.com) wrote:
: The driver had looked over at me casually a couple of times; I
: know he knew I was there.

oh, okay.  then in that case it was
attemped vehicular manslaughter.
he definitely wanted to kill you.
all cagers want to kill bikers.
that's the only explanation that
i can think of.

-- hesh

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103240
From: denis@apldbio.com (Denis Concordel)
Subject: *** For sale: 1988 Husqvarna 510TE ***

For sale:

  Model  : Husqvarna 510 TE (enduro model)
  Year   : 1988
  Engine : 500 cc Four Stroke

  Extras : - 1992 ignition (for easy starting)
           - Suspension by Aftershock
           - Custom carbon fiber/Kevlar skid plate
           - Quick steering geometry
           - Stock (EPA legal and quiet) exhaust system
           - Bark busters and hand guards
           - Motion Pro clutch cable

  Price  : $2200

  Contact: Denis Concordel  E-Mail: denis@apldbio.com
                            MaBell: (415) 570 6667 (work)
                                    (415) 494 7109 (home)

  I am selling my trusty Husky... hopefully to buy a Husaberg...  This is
  a very good dirt bike and has been maintained perfectly.  I never had
  any problems with it.

  It's a four stroke, 4 valves, liquid cooled engine. It is heavier than 
  a 250 2 stroke but still lighter than a Honda XR600 and has a lot better 
  suspension (Ohlins shock, Husky fork) than the XR. For the casual or non
  competitive rider, the engine is much better than any two stroke.
  You can easily lug up hills and blast through trails with minimum gear
  changes.
  
  The 1992 ignition and the carefully tuned carburation makes this bike
  very easy to start (starts of first kick when cold or hot).  There is a
  custom made carbon/kevlar (light 1 pound) wrap around skid plate to protect
  the engine cases and the water pump.  The steering angle has been reduced 
  by 2 degree to increase steering quickness. This with the suspension tune-up
  by Phil Douglas of Aftershock (Multiple time ISDE rider) gives it a better
  ride than most bike: plush suspension, responsive steering with no head shake.

  So if it is such a good bike why sell it???? Gee, I want to buy a Husaberg,
  which just a husky but 25 pounds lighter... and a tad more $$$.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103241
From: 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt)
Subject: Thanks for the speeding ticket advice!

I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to respond to my post about 
fighting my ticket.

Many of you wrote to say that you have successfully fought and won your 
case in court.  Others lost due to the cop outright lying to the judge 
about the circumstances surrounding your ticket, while one fellow lost
because the judge just didn't appear to be in the mood for such foolishness.

Several of you suggested that I obtain a book called "Fight Your Ticket".

The general theme from those who said "go for it", was to be prepared.  
I should do as much research as possible, go back and review the scene, 
transcribe what happened to tape or paper, use any witnesses that may 
have been around, have a list of questions to ask the cop and/or the judge,
and to be positive and assertive.  I am innocent until proven guilty! <gulp>

A few people suggested trying to get my court date changed, as this might 
trip up the arresting officer, he may not show up if the date is on his day
off or if he feels/knows that he doesn't have a chance to win against you.

One individual stated that an Officer could be an Expert Witness, and if he
says I was speeding, then by damn, I was speeding.

Another says that I must have been paced or clocked with a radar gun.

Lots of good suggestions and ideas from you all.  I'll let you know what
happens after the big day!

/-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\

| Peter D. Nesbitt |     Air Traffic Controller     | PNESBITT@MCIMAIL.COM    |

|                  |       Oakland Bay TRACON       |                         |

\-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/

 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103242
From: remmons@iat.holonet.net (Robert Emmons)
Subject: Re: MAIL ORDER

>If you get good service from a shop, or they regularly have merchandise
                 ^^^^^^^
>in stock you need, or they have a knowledgable and/or friendly sales
                                                       ^^^^^^^^
>staff, or if for whatever other reason you would like to do business
>with them, which will in the aggrigate keep them in business and
>available to fill your future needs, but they charge more for an item
>than another store, you can usually purchase the item in the store of
>your choice, and pay the lowest legitimate price being offered
>elsewhere.


Sounds pretty lame to me.

Let me see if I understand now. Your "friends" charge you extra?
Just how much do you usually have to pay for a little
friendliness? Seems like you're being "serviced" by some
"friendly" sales people.


 
Robert Emmons                 Never hesitate to sacrifice clarity
CalcShop Inc.                 and maintainability to save precious
remmons@holonet.net           picoseconds during program execution. 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103553
From: jeff@mri.com (Jonathan Jefferies)
Subject: BMW 49'r Rally



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                      PRESS RELEASE
 TO::  ALL BMW RIDERS
 SUBJECT:: RALLY TIME IS HERE
 FROM:: BMW CLUB OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
 
 BMW 49'ER RALLY, MAY 27-31  (U.S. Memorial Day Weekend)
 San Francisco Bay Area - 20th annual BMW 49'er Rally, sponsored by
 The BMW Club of Northern Califronia,  will be held at the Quincy, 
 California Fairgrounds, from May 27-31, 1993
 
 	Included in the $42 pre-registration fee, $47 at gate, are 4 Star
 camping, field events and trophies, two dinners, rally pin, door prizes, 
 Poker Run, vendor displays, Fun Run, English Trials, and live music playing
 throughout the weekend.  Plus extras like hot showers, Tours, a Concourse
 D'Elegance and more.
 
 	This is first time in the 49'er Rally's 20-year history that the 
 event is being held in Quincy.  And according to Pat Gardner, Rally Chairman,
 "The 49'er Rally's continuing growth and the need for a larger and more
 complete facility led us to Quincy.  Plus we can get there on either of our
 two most favrite highways- Highway 70, which goes through the Feather River
 Canyon, or up from the South via the Northernmost part of the Gold Country's
 Highway 49."
 
 	Day passes will not be available and non-BMW rider must be a 
 pre-registered guest of a BMW rider.
 	
 	The Quincy Fairgrounds is located on California State Highway 70/89,
 two miles South of downtown Quincy.
 
 	For pre-registration forms and additional information, write Doug
 Hubbard, BMW Club of Northern California, 41236 Norman Court, Fremont, CA
 94539, or telephone <US> (510) 651-2195

 ADDITIONAL NOTES:: 
   This is a not for profit event and riders DO get their monies worth.
   Whether you've ever attended a rally before or not This is the one
   to make.  The only problem has been that there are so
   many activities that attendees have to choose one over another.

   Quincy is a beautiful campground, lots of grass and little dust.
   For folks who have been to previous 49'er rallies at Mariposa, 
   Quincy has lots of space, all of it flat so room is not a problem.
   There are buildings and such available if there is a change in the weather.
   Also the people of Quincy are going all out to welcome us. 
   Registration will begin on thursday.  Of course there are always early
   arrivals who will show up monday or tuesday.  The registration fee pays
   for camping Thursday through Monday (5 days).  There will be a tour Friday
   with the main events beginning Saturday.  Sunday Evening will be the
   awards ceremony.  

   For members of the various clubs, club awards will be based on 
   registration declaration of affilitation.  There will of course
   be the usual awards for oldest male and female rider < betting 70 +
   needed to win> and youngest rider ( they get cheater permits at 15>.
   and greatest distance, one up & two up and all the usual things.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 103893
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Re: Its still cold, but...

In article <1993Apr6.224037.28921@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>I tend to keep my bedroom window open during the winter and have woken
>up to find frost on my bedspread, but I still get cold below about
>30F.  Usually on the part that sticks out of the bottom of my helmet.
>Maybe it's time to get a NOJ quiet rider.

Cool - I conjure up this image of BD in Doonesbury...so Dean, how long 
have you been sleeping with your helmet on??


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
 us from the evil men do in the name of good"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104091
From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: Recommendation on Duc

I have a line on a Ducati 900GTS 1978 model with 17k on the clock.  Runs
very well, paint is the bronze/brown/orange faded out, leaks a bit of oil
and pops out of 1st with hard accel.  The shop will fix trans and oil 
leak.  They sold the bike to the 1 and only owner.  They want $3495, and
I am thinking more like $3K.  Any opinions out there?  Please email me.
Thanks.  It would be a nice stable mate to the Beemer.  Then I'll get
a jap bike and call myself Axis Motors!

-- 
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"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"     CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75/6)
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104158
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Safe driving prcatices...

In article <1993Apr9.133114.2605@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
>In article <rbpC54D51.26n@netcom.com> rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
>>cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>
>>
>>my solution is *never* to ride next to a car
>
>The only thing between you and "them" is space.
>Keep as much as possible.

Take this one step further ...

Never dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass
make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make
sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least
getting into his area of vision.

This also applies to merging into another lane after making a pass - do it
as POSITIVELY as possible ... and what I "try" to do is look in the rear view
and then over my shoulder.  And after I've done that ACCELERATE into the 
lane so that you have a speed cushion should you have missed seeing a 
potential BDI that's trying to do the same thing as you ... or worse (ie:
he may have been behind you, saw you made the pass successfully but YOU aren't
GOING FAST ENOUGH to suite him so he tries to go around you on the right).

Ride with four eyes...

Rich


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
 us from the evil men do in the name of good"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104159
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Re: April 1( was Re: FAQ - What is the DoD?)

In article <9901221@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
>In rec.motorcycles, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>
>> Last year, I believe it was, Jeff Deeney posted what I've since come to
>> recognize as the ultimate April Fools posting ever.  It wasn't particularly
>> nice of him, as several people were quite fooled and very worried about
>> him, but I can't fault the effectiveness.
>
>Based on numerous inputs (most of them unprintable), I deemed it time for a
>kinder, gentler, April 1.  Not that I didn't have something really sick and
>twisted ready to post :-)  Perhaps next year. 

Personally, I think Jeffy-Poo was still smarting more from the third degree
burns he suffered after April 1st last year rather than the supposed burns
that he suffered in "the joke".  Granted I was one of those people that were
taken in by it and I was certainly concerned...and then pissed at him for 
pulling such a thing (which I made known to him).

But then again, for an April Fool "joke" I would also go on record as saying
that it was the best orchestrated one I've ever seen and it certainly sucked
a LOT of people into believing it 8-( 8-| 8-\ 8-)...

"sick" - "twisted"??? Who in this group could ever be accused of such a thing?

I tip my twisted lid to thee Jeffy 8-).


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
 us from the evil men do in the name of good"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104282
From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Observation re: helmets

 
 Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock 
it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
 
 So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and 
repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.
 
 Then, while it was drying, I realized that I was out of smokes and that my 
cage is not currently running... So I "had to" take my bike down to the 
store. Not wanting to mess up my paint job, I said "Well, heck. I can just 
use my old helmet".... this is your standard el cheapie openface... 
  
 I didn't notice a big difference when I switched TO the shoei, but 
switching back was really bad... 
 
 1) Doesn't fit worth a damn, too wide in the sides, too short front to 
back...
 2) With a faceplate, it's still bloody windy... with the shoei, I normally 
ignore the face shield until I get up to about 30ish... with this one, 
taxiing to the end of the driveway was too smegging much wind. 
 
  
 
 The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for 
certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church 
meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just 
pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I 
maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely 
passenger? 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104283
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!

In article <34211@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
>
>The Banana one isn't, IMHO.  Ultra sticky labels printed with your
>favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of
>wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage.

So what's your local hospital's favorite curse?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104284
From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Subject: Flashing anyone?

Hello all,

On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals
flash).  Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of
tolls one must pay on route.  Just before arriving at a toll booth I
switch the hazards on.  I do thisto warn other motorists that I will
be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.
Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making
transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the
average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll.
I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and
usually go to another booth.

My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?

Any others tend to do the same?

Just curious

o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>
    Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
    1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
    DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104285
From: jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito)
Subject: Re: Stolen  AARGHHHH.....


In article <1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:

   Watch out.  Often when some scumbag steals the cover, that means
   that they were or are looking to steal the bike.  In my case, I
   had a faded cover stolen off a bmw R100RS that was stashed in an
   apartment carport and not visible from the street.  They evidently
   decided the beemer wasn't worth stealing, but did try the next night to
   steal a Honda Hurricane 600 parked in the next apartment building.
   A neighbor heard them wheeling it out and called the cops.


I know this is just setting myself up, but this is actually one of the
things that is really good about BMW bikes.  From all accounts I've
heard practically no one steals BMWs. Probably it is similar for Moto
Guzzis and other relative "exotics" since there isn't a large demand
for parts and the bike would be much easier to track down. It seems
that the most stolen bikes are Harleys and 600cc Jap sport bikes. 

--
Jonathan E. Polito 		    Internet: jpolito@encore.com
Encore Computer Corp, 901 Kildaire Farm Rd, Cary, NC  27511  USA
919-481-3730/voice  				919-481-3868/FAX

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104286
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs

In article <1993Apr14.212827.2277@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu>, 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
>> Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride 
>> on the back of his bike.  My dog would love it if I could ever make it work.
>
>!!! Post of the month !!!
>Actually, I've seen riders carting around a pet dog in a sidecar....
>A great Dane on the back though; sounds a bit hairy to me.

Yeah, I'm sure that our lab would love a ride (he's the type that sticks his
head out car windows) but I didn't think that he would enjoy being bungee-
corded to the gas tank, and 65 lbs or squirming beast is a bit much for a
backpack (ok who's done it....).

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104287
From: ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Subject: V-max handling request

hello there
ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
comment on its handling .



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104288
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18

In article <1993Apr15.000851.17731@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>Don't you just hate when the speedo and tach on your
>bike start to cloud over from all that nasty sunshine?
>The detailing tip of the week is to use rubbing compound.
>
>Moisten a rag, apply some rubbing compound and work into the
>translucent, previously transparent, material. After a few 
>minutes of working on the plastic face, the dial, or plastic 
>face will be clear once more. Will not work for glass.

A couple of other tips.

1) Make a habit of parking the bike so that instruments are facing away
   from the sun.

2) Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish & Plastic Cleaner. (Cue canned
   product plug #2543):

roise@sumax.seattleu.edu (Linda Roise) writes:
>OK, for a novice question, is there anything that will clean a
>face-shield and also remove abrasions so that one can see through it
>better?  

What you want are Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish and Plastic
Cleaner. They are very mild abrasives meant to remove scratches from
plastic. For fine scratches just use the Polish, for bigger ones start
with the Cleaner and finish with the Polish. The stuff is $5-8 bucks per
bottle at most auto or motorcycle parts stores. Don't choke over the
price too much, since both bottles will probably last you 10 years. The
stuff works great on plastic watch "crystals" and compact discs too.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104289
From: wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c)
Subject: Hard Copy --- Hot Pursuit!!!!


Yo, did anybody see this run of HARD COPY?

I guy on a 600 Katana got pulled over by the Police (I guess for
speeding or something).  But just as the cop was about to step
out of the car, the dude punches it down an interstate in Georgia.
Ang then, the cop gives chase.

Now this was an interesting episode because it was all videotaped!!!
Everything from the dramatic takeoff and 135mph chase to the sidestreet
battle at about 100mph.  What happened at the end?  The guy (who is
being relentless chased down box the cage with the disco lights)
slows a couple of times to taunt the cop.   After blowing a few stop
signs and making car jump to the side, he goes up a dead end street.

The Kat, although not the latest machine, is still a high performance
machine and he slams on the brakes.  Of couse, we all know that cages,
especially the ones with the disco lights, can't stop as fast as our
high performance machines.  So what happens?...  The cage plows into the
Kat.

Luckily for this dude, he was wearing a helmet and was not hurt.  But
dude, how crazy can you get!?!  Yeah, we've all went out and played
cat and mouse with our friends but, with a cop!!???!!!  How crazy can
you get!?!?!  It took just one look at a ZX-7 who tried this crap
to convince me not to try any shit like that.  (Although the dude
collided with a car head on at 140 mph, the Kawasaki team colors
still looked good!!!  Just a few scratches, like no front end....
3 inch long engine and other "minor" scratches...)

If you guys are out there, please, slow it down.  I not being
an advocate for the cages (especially the ones that make that 
annoying ass noises...), but just think...  The next time you
punched it (whether you have an all mighty ZX-11 or a "I can
do it" 250 Ninja), just remember, a kid could step out at any   
time.

Peace & ride (kinda) safe.

Warren -- "Have Suzuki, Will travel..."
WCD82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

"What's the big deal about riding one of these. I'm only going...
95!?!?!"    - Annie (Robotech)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104290
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Wanted:  Advice on CB900 Custom purchase

In article <1993Apr14.204821.8497@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>In article <93Apr14.185235.31833@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>My mechanic once commented that the 'dual range' transmission was
>>pure junk. One mans opinion...
>>

	I had a friend in Pittsburgh who had a CB1000C with the dual-range
tranny on it.  He usually only used the "economy" range to get an overdrive
sixth gear out of it.  He had 59000 miles on it when it was stolen.  It was
recovered shortly after that, repaired, and, for all I know, it's still going
strong.

	The CB1000C was a shaft-driven overbore version of the CB900 and was
made for exactly one year (yep, head and base gaskets are VERY expensive).
Helluva bike.

A data point,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104291
From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: (tangentially) Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article <1993Apr15.035406.29988@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:

impertinent stuff deleted
>
>Am I showing my Canadian University-ness here, of does anyone else know
>what I'm talking about?
>
>I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
>     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
>                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

There you go again, you edu-breath poser! "University-ness" indeed!
Leave that stuff to us professionals.

Henry Prange  biker/professional edu-breath
Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405
DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215
ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2
The unifying trait of our species is the relentless pursuit of folly.
Hypocrisy is the only national religion of this country.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104292
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!

In article <speedy.147@engr.latech.edu>, speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy
Mercer) writes:
|> I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once.  I was going to work on a
|> Yamaha
|> 750 Twin (A.K.A. "the vibrating tank") when I heard a wierd noise off
|> to my 
|> left.  I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot
|> and 
|> jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the
|> left 
|> side.  When I went to put my foot back on the peg, I found that it
|> was not 
|> there!  I pulled into the nearest parking lot and discovered that I
|> had been 
|> hit by a wire-wheel type hubcap from a large cage!  This hubcap
|> weighed 
|> about 4-5 pounds!  The impact had bent the left peg flat against the
|> frame 
|> and tweeked the shifter in the process.  Had I not heard the
|> approaching 
|> cap, I feel certian that I would be sans a portion of my left foot.
|> 
|> Anyone else had this sort of experience?
|> 

  Not with a hub cap but one of those "Lumber yard delivery
trucks" made life interesting when he hit a 'dip' in the road
and several sheets of sheetrock and a dozen 5 gallon cans of
spackle came off at 70 mph. It got real interesting for about
20 seconds or so. Had to use a wood mallet to get all the dried
spackle off Me, the Helmet and the bike when I got home. Thanks 
to the bob tail Kenworth between me and the lumber truck I had
a "Path" to drive through he made with his tires (and threw up
the corresponding monsoon from those tires as he ran over
what ever cans of spackle didn't burst in impact). A car in
front of me in the right lane hit her brakes, did a 360 and
nailed a bridge abutment half way through the second 360.

The messiest time was in San Diego in 69' was on my way
back to the apartment in ocean beach on my Sportster and
had just picked up a shake, burger n fries from jack in
the box and stuffed em in my foul weather jacket when the
milk shake opened up on Nimitz blvd at 50 mph, nothing
like the smell of vanilla milk shake cooking on the
engine as it runs down your groin and legs and 15 people
waiting in back of you to make the same left turn you are.
-- 
##########################################################
There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES 
                 and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH	DoD #956   #2 Next raise
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104293
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!


In a previous article, speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) says:

>I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once.  I was going to work on a Yamaha
>750 Twin (A.K.A. "the vibrating tank") when I heard a wierd noise off to my 
>left.  I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot and 
>jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the left 
>side.  When I went to put my foot back on the peg, I found that it was not 
>there!  I pulled into the nearest parking lot and discovered that I had been 
>hit by a wire-wheel type hubcap from a large cage!  This hubcap weighed 
>about 4-5 pounds!  The impact had bent the left peg flat against the frame 
>and tweeked the shifter in the process.  Had I not heard the approaching 
>cap, I feel certian that I would be sans a portion of my left foot.
>
Hmmmm.....I wondered where that hubcap went.

-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104294
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request


In a previous article, ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg () says:

>hello there
>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .

You're kidding, right?  This is Flame bait in the extreme.  V-max handling?
Har har har har....
-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104295
From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Subject: Contact person for boots

Would anyone out there in DoDland be able to help me out in giving me
a contact to purchase a pair of military air-borne combat boots (9 1/2
D in size).  These boots (so I have read here on rec.moto) are calf
height boots that use only velcro for enclosure.  I have phoned around
and nobody seems to carry such an item.  I admit I have not gone into
the deepest bowels of NYC yet for the search but I have made some
calls to several of the bigger army/navy type stores with no luck.

Anyone out there know of a place that does carry such an item as well
as does mail order?  Any help would be appreciated.

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    Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
    1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
    DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104296
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Hard Copy --- Hot Pursuit!!!!


In a previous article, wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) says:

>
>Yo, did anybody see this run of HARD COPY?

No, I don't watch that Bu**Sh*t.

>The Kat, although not the latest machine, is still a high performance
>machine and he slams on the brakes.  Of couse, we all know that cages,
>especially the ones with the disco lights, can't stop as fast as our
>high performance machines.  So what happens?...  The cage plows into the
>Kat.

So, does this mean the cop is at fault for rear-ending the bike?  You know,
following too closely and reckless driving?

-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104297
From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
>hello there
>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .

I've ridden one twice. It was designed to be a monster in a straight line,
which it is. It has nothing on an FZR400 in the corners. In fact, it just
didn't handle that well at all in curves. But hey, that's not what it
was designed to do.
My two cents,
Alan


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104298
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs..

Mark Kromer, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 00:42:46 GMT wibbled:
: In an article rtaraz@bigwpi (Ramin Taraz) wrote:

: >Does the "amount of exhaust allowed to leave the engine through the
: >exhaust pipe" make that much of a difference? the amount of air/fuel
: >mixture that a cylender sucks in (tries to suck in) depends on the
: >speed of the piston when it goes down. 

: ...and the pressure in the cylinder at the end of the exhaust stroke.

: With a poor exhaust system, this pressure may be above atmospheric.
: With a pipe that scavenges well this may be substantially below
: atmospheric.  This effect will vary with rpm depending on the tune of
: the pipe; some pipes combined with large valve overlap can actually
: reverse the intake flow and blow mixture out of the carb when outside
: the pipes effective rev range.

: >Now, my question is which one provides more resistence as far as the
: >engine is conserned:
: >) resistance that the exhaust provides 
: >) or the resistance that results from the bike trying to push itself and
: >  the rider

: Two completely different things.  The state of the pipe determines how
: much power the motor can make.  The load of the bike determines how
: much power the motor needs to make.

: --
: - )V(ark)<  FZR400 Pilot / ZX900 Payload / RD400 Mechanic  
:                    You're welcome.

Well I, for one, am so very glad that I have fuel injection!  All those 
needles and orifices and venturi and pressures... It's worse than school human
biology reproduction lessons (sex).  Always made me feel a bit queasy.
--

Nick (the Simple Minded Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Tube Rider

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104299
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

In article <tcora-140493155620@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com>,
>fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) wrote:
>> 
>> Lets get this "No Fault" stuff straight, I lived in NJ
>> when NF started, my rates went up, ALOT. Moved to PA
>> and my rates went down ALOT, the NF came to PA and it
>> was a different story. If you are sitting in a parking
>> lot having lunch or whatever and someone wacks you guess
>> whose insurance pays for it ? give up ?  YOURS.
>
>BZZZT! If it is the other driver's fault, your insurance co pays you, less
>deductible, then recoups the total cost from the other guy/gal's company
>(there's a fancy word for it, which escapes me right now), and pays you the
>deductible. Or: you can go to the other guy/gal's company right off - just
>takes longer to get your cash (as opposed to State Farm, who cut me a check
>today, on the spot, for the damage to my wife's cage).

	The word is "subrogation."  Seems to me, if you're willing to wait
for the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the
deductible.  However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may
have to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large-
fanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers.

	Sad, but true.  Call it job security for lawyers.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104300
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)
Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs

In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
>Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride 
>on the back of his bike.  My dog would love it if I could ever make it work.
>	Thanks
>			84wendel@cua.edu
>

On the back might be tricky, but here in Boulder, there is a guy 
that can always be seen with his Golden Retriever in the sidecar.
Of course, the dog is always wearing WWII style goggles (no joke)


________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn                     DoD#6425                      AMA#679817
                  '88CBR1000              '89CBR600
                       coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
________________________________________________________________________



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104301
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted

frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:

>Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote:
>& 
>& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which
>& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less
>& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction
>& in certain markets which makes it commercially viable. It's not sold
>& in the US where it is unneeded and unwanted.
>& 
>& As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will 
>& still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are
>& very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the 
>& annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect.

>The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which
>means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less

Nope, it's 24 lbs. lightrer than the 900.

>power.  And less brakes.

A single disk that is quite impressive. WIth two fingers on the lever,
much to Beth's horror I lifted the rear wheel about 8" in a fine Randy
Mamola impression. ;{>

>As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will 
>still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are

I have a feeling that it's going to be fast enough that Beth will give
a few liter bike riders fits in the future.

>very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the 

The steering locks are adjustable.

>annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect.

Beth sees fine out of them... I see 2/3 of them filled with black
leather.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104302
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: DOT Tire date codes

I just mailed this:

I noticed a 2-3in long cut in the tread of the rear tire on my VFR.
The cut is only about as deep as the tread block, and looks like it
only scratched the rubber at the base, but the weird thing is, it's
way over on the edge where I haven't scuffed the tire in yet.
My questions are:
1. How dangerous is this, should I replace the tire right away?
and
2. If I should, since the cut is on the unscuffed portion and the
tire only has about 330 mi on it, what do you think my chances of
getting it replaced under warranty are?

To the nedod mailing list, and Jack Tavares suggested I check out
how old the tire is as one tactic for getting it replaced.  Does
anyone have the file on how to read the date codes handy?

Thanks,
Dean

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104303
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Fat Boy versus ZX-11 (new math)

In article <1pimfd$cre@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <C4v3s7.MCz@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>>In <1993Apr1.130432.11009@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
>>>Manual Velcro, on the 31 Mar 93 09:19:29 +0200 wibbled:
>>>: But 14 is greater than 11, or 180 is greater than 120, or ...
>>>No!  10 is the best of all.
>>No No No!
>>  It should be obvious that 8 is the best number by far. Last year 10
>>was hot but with the improvements to 8 this year there can be no
>>question.
>
>Hell, my Dad used to have an old 5 that would beat out today's 8 without 
>breaking a sweat.
>
>(Well, in the twisties, anyway.)
>
>This year's 8 is just too cumbersome for practical use in anything other 
>than repeating decimals.
>
Remember the good old days, when Hexadecimals, and even Binaries
were still legal? Sure, they smoked a little blue stuff out the
pipes, but I had a hex 7 that could slaughter any decimal 10 on
the road. Sigh, such nostalgia!

Regards, Charles
DoD0,001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104304
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:

> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
>you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
>don't ride until tomorrow"?

Interesting discussion.

I limit myself to *one* 'standard serving' of alcohol if I'm
going to ride. And mostly, unless the alcohol is something
special (fine ale, good wine, or someone else's vsop), I usually
just don't drink *any*.

But then alcohol just isn't really important to me, mainly
for financial reasons...

At least one of the magazines claims to follow the
aviation guideline of "no alcohol whatsoever" within
24hrs of riding a 'company' bike.

Don't remember which mag though, it was a few years ago.

Regards, Charles (hicc.)
DoD:0.001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104305
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last

: un021432@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

: >DUCATI3.UUE
: >QUUNCD Ver. 1.4, by Theodore A. Kaldis.
: >BEGIN--cut here--CUT HERE--Part 3
: >MG@NH)C1M+AV4)I;^**3NYR7,*(.H&"3V'!X12(&E+AFKIN0@APYT;C[#LI2T

This GIF was GREAT!!  I have it as the backdrop on my Apollo thingy and many
people stop by and admire it.  Of course I tell them that I did it myself....

It's far too much trouble to contact archive sites to get stuff like this, so
if anybody else has any good GIFs, please, please don't hesitate to post them.

Is the bra thing still going?
--

Nick (the Idiot Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   No Bras

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104306
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Camping question?

Sanjay Sinha, on the 12 Apr 93 00:23:19 GMT wibbled:

: Thanks to everyone who posted in my previous quest for camping info..

: Another question. 
: Well, not strictly r.m. stuff

: I am looking for a thermos/flask to keep coffee hot. I mean real
: hot! Of course it must be the unbreakable type. So far, what ever
: metal type I have wasted money on has not matched the vacuum/glass 
: type.

: Any info appreciated.

: Sanjay


Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up
water from a 12V source.  It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my
RD350B.  It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs 
above 7000.  Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement.

It made for interesting cups of coffee, anyhow.  We would plot routes that
contained straights of over three miles so that we had sufficient time to
get the water to boiling point.  This is sometimes difficult in England.

Good luck on your quest.
--

Nick (the Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104307
From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Why are there no turbocharged motorbikes in North America?


: In article <7APR93.20040687@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:

: >I just got to thinking:  why don't manufacturers still make bikes with 
turbos?
: > etc ....

Because they add a lot of expense and complexity and make for a less reliable 
and less controllable bike. 

As an extreme example the CX500 Turbo cost as much as a Mike Hailwood Replica 
Ducati.

--
David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
"This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104308
From: gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!

james.bessette (jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:
>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>>ps.  I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and
>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase.
>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.

Cam chain.

  -Mike

Mike Mitten - gnome@pd.org - ...!emory!pd.org!gnome - AMA#675197 - DoD#522
Irony is the spice of life.     '90 Bianchi Backstreet  '82 Suzuki GS850GL
"The revolution will not be televised."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104309
From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!

From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)

I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once.  I was going to work on a Yamaha
750 Twin (A.K.A. "the vibrating tank") when I heard a wierd noise off to my
left.  I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot and
jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the left...

(Rest deleted)

Anyone else had this sort of experience?

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

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   Actually, hubcap attacks are fairly common, most cagers being too
   incompetant to reinstall them properly after changing tires, or
   to check them after collisions.  Luckily, few are as heavy as the
   one that got you.

Al Moore  DoD  734

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104310
From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson)
Subject: Re: GPz900 runs like a bitch.

I tried mailing you but your domain seems not to exist, can't even get 
sinet.slb.com to admit to knowing about geco, anyway here we go:

In article <1q7kq1INNjl9@griffin.orpington.sgp.slb.com> you wrote:

: Subject:GPz900 runs like a bitch.
:    Anyone have a cure for sub zero running probs on a GPz 900.
: Anything below 3000 revs and the bike wants to cut out all the time,
: the recommended cure in the bike mags seems to be to switch off the engine
: for a minute to thaw the ice,but this is obviously not mutch of a cure.
: mine has had the kawasaki heated carb mod but the problem persists,
: i've covered the rad which makes the bike run warmer and moves the problem
: down the temp scale a degree or two.
:    Has anyone tried a dynojet kit on the 900 or (getting desperate) different
: carbs or the fuel injection off the GPz 1100.
:

Have you talked to Kawasaki, maybe they did another version of the upgrade
kit.  Got to be worth a phone call.  Did you do the carb mod or did you buy it
secondhand from someone who said that it had been done.

Is that Orpington in Kent?  If so have you heard of the Ogri mailing list
which I run?  Its an email list for bikers in the UK and interested parties,
available live or as a daily digest.  Let me know if you want to subscribe.

Good luck, Dave

--
David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
"This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104311
From: keith@hydra.unm.edu ()
Subject: Where can I AFFORD a Goldwing mirror?

Searched without luck for a FAQ here.  I need a left 85 Aspencade
mirror and Honda wants $75 for it.  Now if this were another piece
of chrome to replace the black plastic that wings come so liberally
supplied with I might be able to see that silly price, but a mirror
is a piece of SAFETY EQUIPMENT. The fact that Honda clearly places
concern for their profits ahead of concern for my safety is enough
to convince me that this (my third) wing will likely be my last.
In the mean time, anyboby have a non-ripoff source for a mirror?
keith smith  keith@hydra.unm.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104312
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Latest SoCal Rides -- 4/14

		Southern California RideList -- 4/14/93

  Please send me any updates to this ride list. Remember, only street
rides that are open to all bikers are posted.  Please inc. phone # for
further info.  Also, send me your e-mail address if you want mailed
copies of this list.
  I suggest calling first to make sure that info is current.  If you
find out further info, please let me know.  I strive for accuracy but
cannot be responsible for errors.
  e-mail address: paulb@harley.tti.com 	
---------
c&d = coffee & donuts; Mx = Live Music; f&d = food & drinks available;
* = changes since last posting; ** Address at end of posting
-------
Apr 15-18	11th Annual Laughlin (NV) River Run.  Rides to the run from
		points all over SoCal.  Concerts, poker runs, parties,
		etc., etc. This is sponsored by the Southern Calif. Harley
		Dealer Assoc., but all bikes are welcome.  Reservations
		are only $25 at any SoCal Harley Dealer.  River Run 24 Hr
		Hotline: 800/266-6441.  Discount Room reservations or
		concert tix: 909/883-0317 (Tues-Sat, 9A-noon & 1-4P).
Apr 17		2nd Annual Racing Memorabilia Show & Sale. art, prints,
		photos, lithos, models, books. 310/539-8108.
Apr 17-18	SCMA Route 66 Tour. 714/680-4667.
Apr 18		SCMA/TRAC A. Gypsy Tour. 7A in Santa Monica. John
		Lane @ 818/359-0414.
Apr 18		Tax Time Run for the money (ABATE #19). 200 pins, prizes,
		games, f&d, raffles. $7 (free if you join). s/in 8-10A
		@ V-Twin City, 565 Brea Canyon Rd, Walnut. 
		Manny @ 909/594-0086.
*Apr 18 	3rd Annual GWTA Loma Linda Children's Hospital Benefit Run.
		free c&d @ start. hot dogs, etc. @ finish. s/in 8-11A
		@ Skip Fordyce motors, 7840 Indiana Ave., Riverside.
		909/679-1097.
Apr 23-25	MMA State Overnighter. Frazier Park. 805-522-6557 or 
		805/392-0540.
Apr 23-25	32nd Yuma Prison Run. $20 mailin/$25 gate. camping.
		310/944-2180 or 805/253-3043.
Apr 23-25	Paso Robles Clean & Sober Run @ Paso Robles Fairgrounds.
		805/461-1211.
Apr 25		Shamrock's 3rd Annual Scenic Byways Tour. 2 starts,
		5 routes. s/in 6:30-8:30A @ Simi Valley Honda, 
		4346 L.A. Ave. or Cycles Parts, 473 W. Baseline,
		San Bernadino. Picnic & bbq @ Lake hughes. $14.  805/584-3983.
Apr 25		MRA Chap "E" Poker Run. 8A @ American Legion, 600 South
		"D" St., Peris.  Steve Hill @ 714/244-3064.
May 1		AMA Grand Nat'l Dirt Track Series race. Pomona Fairplex,
		714/623-3111 or 614/891-2425.
May 1		KPFK's (90.7 FM) Centerstand Radio Show and The Car Show
		will broadcast live from Autobooks, Etc., 3524 W. Magnolia
		Av., Burbank.  Carshow starts @ noonb, Centerstand 
		@ 1:30PM.  818/845-0707.
May 1		ABATE #8 Poker Run. East end of Bucklin Park, Imperial Valley.
		s/in 8-10A. $8 includes food & entertainment. Barbara 
		@ 619/352-7006.
May 1-2 	PMC 47th Annual Greenhorn Tour. 818/963-5480 or 909/593-9988.
May 1-2		Song Dog Ranch Spring Rally. Overnight camping at this
		famousmotorcycle campground.  Mx., All you can eat or
		drink bbq dinner.  sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve by
		April 26. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai).
		805/766-2454.  (Keep trying this number).
May 2		BSA Owner's Club Spring Ride. Castaic Landing. 805/273-7005.
May 2		Album Release Celebration ("Helmet Laws Suck" by Billy Gordon & 
		The Blue Rockers) @ La Vida Hot Springs (91 to 57N to 
		Lambert east 5 miles on left). Special Guests, Mx, raffle.
		714/996-0720.
May 2		1st Annual Spring Round-Up Rodeo. (ABATE #27). Many Bike
		Games. f&d, pins, raffle. s/in starts 9A. Games @ noon.
		$10 ea/$18 couple (free if you join). Robbies Restaurant,
		26020 Hwy 74 (btwn Perris & Lake Elsinore). George or
		Susan @ 909/674-0554; Allen or Melanie @ 909/780-3743.
May 14		MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
		714/364-0515.
May 14		LA Cnty MC Swap Meet. $8. 818/361-0205.
May 14		Christian M/C Assn. SoCal Rally. First Assembly of God
		Church, 15260 Nisqually Rd, Victorville. Bob Quintard
		@ 909/797-9801.
May 16		Mother's with the Most. 805/763-4614.
May 16		4th Annual MC Awareness Day. (ABATE #22). 9:30-5p @
		American Legion Hall, 1340 Gardena Bl (crnr Normandie),
		Gardena. Mx, Vendors, raffles, games, etc. $5 (<12 free);
		($8 w/pin). f&d.  Doc or Carol @ 310/371-2348 or
		Dieter @ 310/531-8942.
May 16		Blue Knights 5th Annual Benefit Ride. Starts @ Cycle Parts
		West, San Diego. Harold Crosby @ 619/753-7827.
May 19 		Run For The Wall. LA to DC. Lv (8A? or) 9A from TA Truck 
		Stop where I10 & I15 meet in Ontario. Camping & Motels
		available at each night's stop. Rides ends up at the
		Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall in Washington, DC.  
		100,000 bikes are expected to meet there.  Call
		Rod Coffey @ 310/425-3145.  Alt Info: send $1 p/h to
		John Anderson, 5920 Deer Creek Way, Paso Robles,
		CA  93446 or call him @ 805/237-0790. 
May 23		Long Beach MC Parts Exchange, LB Veterans Memorial Stadium.
		310/323-9611.
May 28-31	US MC Jamboree. Tulare Cnty Fairgnds, Tulare. ride in 
		mc show, benefit poker run (sun), Mx, raffles, games.
		starts noon on Friday. $23; $11 (15 & under); free for 
		6 & under. 918/542-5939; 502/622-4810; 805/822-8939;
		310/492-9688; 909/825-3798; 602/425-6609.
May 29-31	Blazing Saddles Tour (SCMA). 818/789-9932.
May 30		Ariel Owners Club Annual Event. 3225 Greenfield Ave., LA.
		Chuck Walton, 818/345-6532.
Jun 6		Fun in the Sun Ride (MMA #2). Bakersfield. 805/392-0546.
Jun 12-13	Class Act Tour
Jun 12-13	Silver Eagles Run. Palomar, San Diego. 619/569-7370.
Jun 20		Ventura Swap & Show by The Shop. @ Ventura Fairgnds.
		805/656-6777.
Jun 20		3rd Annual Summer Solstice Poker Run & Pig Feed. (ABATE #9).
		$15 ea/$25 couple (free if you join). Pig Roast, games,
		raffles, Mx, swimming, 300 pins. s/in 8-10A @ Swallows Inn,
		I5 & Ortega Hwy, San Juan Capistrano. Earl @ 714/496-3401;
		Rick @ 714/548-3434.
Jun 25-27	MMA's Bike Fest '93 @ Mariposa Fairgrounds (Hwy 99
		to Hwy 140E; go 38 miles). Mx, Camping Available; 
		trade show, f7d, games. $25 advance/$35 gate. info 
		& tix: 800/247-6246.
Jun 27		Hope House Benefit Run (SCMA). 805/581-3235.
Jul 4		Bike Show @ Accessories Unltd**
Jul 4		ABATE #6 Christmas in July. 619/569-7370.
Jul 11		Beach Ride 93 to benefit the Exceptional Children's
		Foundation.
Jul 11		ABATE #8 Old Timers Poker Run. 714/998-5740.
Jul 16-19	4th Annual Unicoastal Ride and Joust.  Starts all over the
		West Coast and goes to Pine Glen Campground (near Mammoth
		Lakes) for a 2 or 3 day weekend of fun with the usenet
		personalities your fond of flaming.  To get on the mail
		list, contact joust-request@harley.tti.com .
Jul 18		Iron Horse Poker Run. 805/734-3401.
Jul 21		2nd Annual National Ride to Work Day.
Jul 23-25	Quaff M/C Mt. Palomar 17th Annual Overnighter @ La Jolla
		Campgrounds. 714/352-0443.
Jul 25		5th Annual Summer Food Run. ABATE #19. 818/917-2243.
Jul 30		MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
		714/364-0515.
Aug 1		Accessories Unltd** Ride
Aug 7		Hot August Nights Poker Run. 805/392-0546.
Aug 14-15	650 Tour (SCMA area B). 805/481-3482.
Aug 21-22	Song Dog Ranch Summer Rally. Overnight camping at this
		famous motorcycle campground.  Classical Mx., All you can 
		eat or drink bbq dinner.  sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve by
		Aug 16. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai).
		805/766-2454.  (Keep trying this number).
Aug 22		Vets Benefit Run (TRAC A). 714/680-4667.
Aug 22		MMA Chicken Roast. Camarillo Park. 805/522-6557.
Sep 3-6		18th Annual 3 Flags Classic. Juarez, Mexico to
		Southern Alberta, Canada. $110/person. received by
		1/23/93. Frank Weed @ 714/879-9432. (or try 714/962-3150)
Sep 3-6		ABATE's Golden State Rendezvous. 10A Fri-noon Mon @
		Mid State Fairgrounds, Paso Robles.
Sep 12		Iron Horse Rocket Run. 805/734-3401.
Sep 19		Black Gold Poker Run (Taft MC). 805/765-5085.
Sep 24-26	Redwood Run #2.
Sep 25-27	Bonanza Tour (Shamrocks).  805/272-9865.
Oct 1		MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
		714/364-0515.
Oct 9-10	Song Dog Ranch Fall Rally. Overnight camping at this
		famous motorcycle campground.  Mx., All you can 
		eat or drink bbq dinner.  sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve 
		by Oct 4. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai).
		805/766-2454.  (Keep trying this number).
Oct 16-17	SCMA Grand Tour 805/269-1399.
Oct 22-24	Easyriders Motorcycle Rodeo. Antelope Valley Fairgrounds
		(Hwy. 14 N. to Ave, I exit, right), Lancaster.
Oct 23-24	22nd Annual Griffith Park Sidecar Rally. Mineral Springs 
		area of the Park. Doug Bingham @ 818/780-5542.
Oct 24		MRA Chap "E" Ride
Nov 7		Love Ride 10 to benefit the Muscular Dystrophy Assoc.
		Sponsored by Glendale H-D, 3717 San Fernando Rd,
		Glendale.  818/246-5618.
Nov 14		Toy-Key Run (SCMA Area B). 805/481-3482.
Nov 14		MC Awareness Day (ABATE 1)
Nov 21		Accessories Unlimited** Posse Ride.
Dec 3		MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
		714/364-0515.
Dec 12		Hathaway Children's Center Toy Run
-------------------- ONGOING EVENTS & NOTICES ----------------------------
HD Swap Meet & Show. Santa Fe Springs Drive-in, 13963 Alondra Blvd. 
	5:30-10:30P, 3rd Thurs ea mo. $5 fee. 310/944-4268.
	note that in April, it was moved to 4/8.
Free seminars every Saturday @ Luftmeister, Inc., Long Beach.  310/539-6420.
Tune in Centerstand, a radio program for motorcyclists every Saturday from
	1:30-2PM on KPFK, 90.7 FM
Parents w/out Partners MC Club meets 2nd Sat @ 8A at Cocos, Brea Rd & Colina
	Road in Diamondbar.  909/595-3785
A new mc club for women only is forming: Diamonds and Pearls.  818/706-3164
MARC (Motorcycling Amateur Radio Club) meets 8A, 2nd Sat @ Denny's, 2314
	E 17th St, Santa Ana. Net @ 8P Weds on 146.985- . Info: Ray or Bonnie
	@ 714/551-1036.
------------------- ** ADDRESSES -----------------------------------------
Follows Camp -- From 210 or 10 Fwy, go North on Azusa Ave (Hwy 39) To East
	Fork Rd.  Go 2.5 miles East to camp (hint: look for bridge).
Accessories Unlimited -- 24508 Lyons Ave (at I5), Newhall. 805/255-6522.
Cycle Parts West -- 13682 Beach Blvd, Westminister.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104313
From: prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens)
Subject: BMWMOA Controversy  

In article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
>>...good ol boys that have been there too long. 
>
> [...] while I agree with you that the current
>board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash 
>for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...? 

Yo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think?

If there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of
us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your
esteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you
got to the above contretemps?

Points will be deducted for shouting or bulging veins in the temple area.

-Pete Ahrens

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104314
From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!

In article <lsp0mgINNud@cash.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
>However, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider
>the VW a bike.
However, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider
the Amazona a bike.

Keith Hanlan  KeithH@bnr.ca  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104315
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: BMW battery

Keith Hanlan, on the Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:20:14 GMT wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
: >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive,
: >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns
: >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer.                 

: What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know
: numerous people that are still using the original battery in there
: 8-10 year old beemers.


Kay, my '86 K100RS still has her original battery in.  She's OK
--

Nick (the Sufficiently Well Charged Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104316
From: jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls)
Subject: Re: Why are there no turbocharged motorbikes in North America?

In article <C5J9n2.Hy0@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
>
>As an extreme example the CX500 Turbo cost as much as a Mike Hailwood Replica 
>Ducati.


  So.  If I can scrounge up a good looking CX500 Turbo, will someone
  trade me an MHR Duc for it?



===============================================================================
|Jeff Earls  jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530  KotTG  KotSPT   WMTC  AMA |
|'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon        |   Squid Factor: 16.99                |
|'93 KLR650 - Thumpy                   | "Hit the button Chewie!"... Han Solo |

    "There ain't nothin' like a 115 mph sweeper in the Idaho rockies." - me


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104317
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?

In article <5227@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
>
>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,
>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT?  That way, next time some guy comes up
>to me in some parking lot and sez "hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox
>frame on there?" I can say something besides "duh, er, huh?"

   Deltabox (tm) is a registered trademark of Yamaha, used to describe
their aluminum perimeter frame design, used on the FZR400 and FZR1000.
In cross-section, it has a five-sided appearance, so it probably really
should be called a "Pentabox".

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104318
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Security

I saw his bike parked in front of a bar a few weeks later without the
dog, and I wandered in to find out what had happened.

He said, "Somebody stole m' damn dog!".  They left the Harley behind.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104319
From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Tickets - advice is worth what you paid

I can't think of another subject that generates as much contradictory
advice as traffic laws and their enforcement.  Everybody's got an
opinion and is dead certain they are right.  Yet acurate information is
extremely difficult to come by.  The DMV doesn't know.  Cops don't
know.  Your traffic school instructor doesn't know.  The vehicle code
only tells part of the story.  Judges choose to interpret the laws in a
wide variety of ways.  And the public at large?  I seldom hear any
advice that doesn't disagree with something I've experienced.

If you don't believe me I suggest you get a copy of the vehicle code,
study it, and then sit in on a day or two of court and see what really
happens.  Read "Fight Your Ticket" too, but don't miss the little
section at the end where it says your chances are lousy and you're
basically screwed.

As you may have guessed, I'm pretty down on the system here in
California.  I've carefully prepared for court, bringing witnesses and
revealing serious holes in the officer's story, only to be slapped with
the maximum allowable fine (plus assessments of over 100%) - the
message clear that the judge does not appreciate John Q Public trying
his own cases.

So here's my advice when you find yourself with a ticket:  Take traffic
school if you can.  If it's a serious matter get a lawyer.  A lawyer
can present the exact same case as you, the difference is the
sentence.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104320
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++

In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
|> 
|> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about
|> it!
|> 
|> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net.  That's 825 miles
|> according to my odometer!
|> 

mark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in
massachusetts (or was it connecticut?).

axel


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104321
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> 
> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for 
>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church 
>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just 
>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I 
>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely 
>passenger? 

If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
small one).

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104322
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: DOT Tire date codes

In rec.motorcycles, cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>To the nedod mailing list, and Jack Tavares suggested I check out
>how old the tire is as one tactic for getting it replaced.  Does
>anyone have the file on how to read the date codes handy?

It's quite simple; the code is the week and year of manufacture.

	<================================================> 
       /        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
      /    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
     /  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
    <========================================================>

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104323
From: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi)
Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++

In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>
>> Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about
>it!

I bought my Moto Guzzi from a Univ of Va grad student in Charlottesville
last spring.

	     Mark Cervi, cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147
		 DoD #0603  MGNOC #12998  '87 Moto Guzzi SP-II
      "What kinda bikes that?" A Moto Guzzi. "What's that?" Its Italian.
-- 

	Mark Cervi, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC Code 852, Annapolis, MD  21402
		   cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104324
From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning)
Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts

In article <1993Apr13.163450.1@skcla.monsanto.com>  
mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:

> Michael (Manning)...Must be that blockhead of yours....the gargoyles
> are the ONLY thing that work for me! ;*}
> 
> 
> Michael (Menard)
> 
> P.S. When you showin' up at Highland House? We'll compare sunglasses...

Let's see how the weather is Saturday or Sunday. It sucks
today. What time is good?
You're welcome to give any of the ones I have a try.  As
for the gargoyles, if you want mine you can have 'em.  I
think the bridge of my nose holds them too far from my face.
Same deal for the two of my friends who tried them. For
people who use them with a full face helmet, all bets are
off. Sorry if they fit you well and took my complaint
personally. Yes the Oakleys are much more desirable squid
attire. Also the gargoyles aren't that ugly, even in my
opinion, or I wouldn't have tried them.

--
Michael Manning
mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)

`92 FLSTF FatBoy
`92 Ducati 900SS


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104325
From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning)
Subject: Re: Bikes, Contacts Lenses & Radial Keratotomy

In article <C5FI2H.Ew8@rice.edu>  (jcn@rice.edu) writes:
> > I was going to try radial keratotomy, but they want over $2,000 per
> > eye! 
> > That's a lot of contact lenses and sunglasses!
> > 
> 
> And a lot of money if they make one tiny mistake ;-O
> 
> Jeff Nichols

Also if they don't get it exactly right or your eyes change
again, contacts to correct for it are out of the question.
This is due to the strange conical shape your cornea takes
after the surgery.

--
Michael Manning
mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)

`92 FLSTF FatBoy
`92 Ducati 900SS


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104326
From: markb@wc.novell.com (M. Burnham)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted

In article <1qhm02$mbs@news.ysu.edu> Albion H. Bowers, ak954@yfn.ysu.edu
writes:
>Oh yeah, 12.10 at 108 mph in the quarter is such a slug.  Come on, when was
>the last time you used your 750s max power peak?  I think maybe you should
>ride one first, before passing judgement, there is a lot more than just
>maximum acceleration. 

I really didn't mean to imply that my Ninja was any better than a Duc.  
I have to talked to a few Duc owners (750SS owners in particular) who
say that the power is something less than overwhelming.  That said,
I would love to have a 900SS.  I guess I should have been a bit more
specific.  If you have something that weighs that same as the 750, go 
for the extra cubes.  

I think that fact that I own a GTV-6 shows that I don't care about maximum
power (it's no slug though) to the exclusion of everything else.  The note 
and the handling are more important to me.  I just bought a Ninja because I 
couldn't afford a Duc.

Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, I'll probably be getting a 900SS next
year...

- Mark

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966  DoD#0747 
Alfa Romeo GTV-6                             '90 Ninja 750
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104327
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs..

In article <jburney.734756216@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov> jburney@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney) writes:
>
>If we are only talking about 4-stroke (I think I can understand exhaust
>pulse affect in a 2-stroke), the intake valve is closed on the
>exhaust stroke and the gas is pushed out by the cyclinder.  I guess
>there is some gas compression that may affect the amount pushed out
>but the limiting factor seems to be the header pipe and not the 
>canister.  Meaning: would gases "so far" down the line (the canister)
>really have an effect on the exhaust stroke?  Do the gases really 
>compress that much?

    For discussion purposes, I will ignore dynamic effects like pulses
in the exhaust pipe, and try to paint a useful mental picture.

1.  Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force
air into the intake tract is _atmospheric_.  At the time the intake
valve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only
the difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after
the exhaust stroke) and atmospheric.  As the piston decends on the
intake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing
atmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract.  At no time
does the pressure ever become "negative", or even approach a good
vacuum.

2.  At the time of the exhaust valve closing, the pressure in the
combustion chamber is essentially the pressure of the exhaust system up
to the first major flow restriction (the muffler).  Note that the volume
of gas that must flow through the exhaust is much larger than the volume
that must flow through the intake, because of the temperature
difference and the products of combustion.

3.  In the last 6-8 years, the Japanese manufacturers have started
paying attention to exhaust and intake tuning, in pursuit of almighty
horsepower.  At this point in time, on high-performance bikes,
substitution of an aftermarket free-flow air filter will have almost
zero affect on performance, because the stock intake system flows very
well anyway.  Substitution of an aftermarket exhaust system will make
very little difference, unless (in general) the new exhaust system is
_much_ louder than the stocker.

4.  On older bikes,  exhaust back-pressure was the dominating factor.
If free-flowing air filters were substituted, very little difference
was noted, unless a free-flowing exhaust system was installed as well.

5.  In general, an engine can be visualized as an air pump.  At any
given RPM, anything that will cause the engine to pump more air, be it
on the intake or exhaust side, will cause it to produce more horsepower.
Pumping more air will require recalibration (rejetting) of the carburetor.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104328
From: erick@andr.UB.com (Eric A. Kilpatrick)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

Personally, I follow the no alcohol rule when I'm on a bike.  My view is that you have to be in such a high degree of control that any alcohol could be potentially hazardous to my bike!  If I get hurt it's my own fault, but I don't want to wreck my Katana.  I developed this philosophy from an impromptu *experiment*.  I had one beer at 6:00 in the evening and had volleyball practice at 7:00.  I wasn't even close to leagle intoxication, but I couldn't perform even the most basic things until 8:30!  This made



 me think about how I viewed alcohol and intoxication.  You may seem fine, but your reactions may be affected such that you'll be unable to recover from hitting a rock or even just a gust of wind.  I greatly enjoy social drinking but, for me, it just doesn't mix with riding.

Max enjoyment!
Eric


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104329
From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside)
Subject: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)

--

Thanks to all of you who gave advice on the CB900 Custom. 

As recommended, I had the bike compression tested.  Compression was
a little low, but very even across the four cylinders (+/- 5 psi).  They
said that it was tested a little cold, so that would explain the low 
numbers (around 90).  Does this sound right?  Otherwise, the bike looked
great.  No signs of road rash, and no rust.  This bike looks great! 
It is now in the shop getting tuned and new tires.  
I am opting for the Metzler ME55 and ME33 tires (thanks to those 
who posted this other thread).  This bike is _BIG_ compared to my other bikes.  
( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. )  I should
be road legal tomorrow.  I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about 
the transmission and taking my chances.

Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).

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|     |\/\/\/|      ___________________                              |
|     |      |     /                   \                             |
|     |      |    /  Jamie W. Burnside  \                            |
|     | (o)(o)   (  jburnside@ll.mit.edu )                           |
|     C      _) / \_____________________/                            |
|      | ,___| /                                                     |
|      |    /                                                        |
|      / __\                                                         |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104330
From: meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain)
Subject: What about No-Fault?


Insurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage.  Since the
majority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we
would have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system?

With a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the
legal costs out of the system.  But it looks like motorcyclists would
get screwed.


-- 
Michael "Chuck" Bain                       meb4593@icdfs.ca.boeing.com  
----------------------------------------------------------------------
		     "Semi-Loud Pipes Save Lives"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104331
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs..

Now, I am jumping into the middle of this thread so I may not know
what y'all been talking about, but I have a few comments:

In rec.motorcycles, davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
>1.  Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force
>air into the intake tract is _atmospheric_.  At the time the intake
>valve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only
>the difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after
>the exhaust stroke) and atmospheric.  As the piston decends on the
>intake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing
>atmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract.  At no time
>does the pressure ever become "negative", or even approach a good
>vacuum.

There are a number of other factors that are very important, the three
biggest being air velocity, air momentum and shock waves.
Velocity stacks have been used for years and are now being used inside
of stock airboxes on a number of bikes.  At a tuned engine rpm, the
stacks can greatly increase the speed, and thus momentum of the air
rushing in.
Air momentum is critical in getting good air intake: the momentum of
the air stack outside the combustion chamber will force its way inside
long after the piston has begun its compressive up-stroke.
Shock waves are used to induce air intake and to prevent fresh air from
escaping out the exzhaust ports.  Shock waves are the product of expansion
chambers or any other means of presenting a 'wall' (opening or closing)
to the air in motion.  Beyond this I am lost in the mystery of how they
design for shock waves.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104332
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

In article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>,
maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|>  
|>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to
|> rock 
|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
|>  
|>  So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and 
|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.
|>  
|>  The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know
|> for 
|> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a ....
|> church 
|> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should
|> I just 
|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or
|> should I 
|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my
|> likely 
|> passenger? 

   My rule of thumb is "Don't give rides to people that wear
a bigger helmet than you", unless your taste runs that way,
or they are family.friends.
Gee,  reminds me of a *dancer* in Hull, just over the river 
from Ottowa, that I saw a few years ago, for her I would a
bought a bigger helmet (or even her own bike) or anything 
else she wanted ;->
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104333
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!

In article <1993Apr15.135232.24454@dsd.es.com>, bgardner@pebbles.es.com
(Blaine Gardner) writes:
|> In article <34211@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake)
|> writes:
|> >
|> >The Banana one isn't, IMHO.  Ultra sticky labels printed with your
|> >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead
|> of
|> >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the
|> cage.
|> 
|> So what's your local hospital's favorite curse?
|>

  "May your skin stick to a frozen bed pan"
  "May your apple juice be mistakenly drawn from the urinalisys
lab"

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104334
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Contact person for boots

In article <1993Apr15.132316.4054@news.columbia.edu>,
rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
|> Would anyone out there in DoDland be able to help me out in giving
|> me
|> a contact to purchase a pair of military air-borne combat boots (9
|> 1/2
|> D in size).  These boots (so I have read here on rec.moto) are calf
|> height boots that use only velcro for enclosure.  I have phoned
|> around
|> and nobody seems to carry such an item.  I admit I have not gone
|> into
|> the deepest bowels of NYC yet for the search but I have made some
|> calls to several of the bigger army/navy type stores with no luck.
|> 
|> Anyone out there know of a place that does carry such an item as
|> well
|> as does mail order?  Any help would be appreciated.
|> 

 Currently there are no "Velcro" jump boots as issue in
the military, there are two other kinds. One is made my
Cochran and sell for $85.00 in either the Clothing sales
store or US Cavalry (Price match at the Cav store) the
second co is also sold but somewhat cheaper in design.
Actually they don't care what you wear as long is they
are 10 eyelets high.
There is another boot called a "Tankers boot" this has
similar construction to a wellington boot except for the
boot shape and has straps that wrap around for tightness.
Nice boots

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104335
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

If I have one thing to say about "No Fault" it would be
"It isn't"
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104336
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Security

In article <2500@tekgen.bv.tek.com>, davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave
Tharp CDS) writes:
|> I saw his bike parked in front of a bar a few weeks later without
|> the
|> dog, and I wandered in to find out what had happened.
|> 
|> He said, "Somebody stole m' damn dog!".  They left the Harley
|> behind.
|> 

Animal Rights people have been know to do that to other
"Bike riding dogs.cats and Racoons.  

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Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104337
From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750?

Mark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote:
: I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990
: Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles
: and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees
: of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the
: bike.

: I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this
: would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life
: span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with
: prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is
: for cars?.

: Thanks for any advice you can give.

:                             --Mark
--

Mark,

  47k is not too many miles on a VFR750.  I sold my (well maintained)
'87 VFR700 with 52k miles on it and the engine was in mint condition.
All that the bike needed was steering head bearings and fork bushings
and seals.  The guy who bought it had a mechanic pull the valve covers
to look at the top end, do a compression check etc.  He confirmed it was
mint.

   As for price, $4500 seems a little steep.  I bought my '90 with 12k
miles on it a year ago (and in absolutely cherry condition) for $4800.
There is a bluebook, ask your bank or credit union for the going price.
I've seen a couple of ads for VFR's in the $4500 dollar range.  They all
said low miles & mint condition but I didn't actually go look at them.

   A VFR is a very sweet bike and will last you forever if you maintain
it at all.  One thing to look for, BTW, is a soft front end.  If my
VFR is any indication, at 12k miles the fork springs were totally shot.
Progressive springs ($55) fixed it right up.

Good luck,

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| Ken Snyder              ms/loc: 330 / UN2                    |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104338
From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750?

Mark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote:
: I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990
: Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles
: and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees
: of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the
: bike.

: I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this
: would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life
: span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with
: prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is
: for cars?.

: Thanks for any advice you can give.

:                             --Mark


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104339
From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!!  Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!

Reading all you folks things to do to illegally parked cars made me
wonder who's going to carry cinder blocks on a bike(?!?!?) or is 
ready to do serious damage (key carvings etc.) to a cage.  Then I
had an idea--chain lube isn't just for chain's anymore!!!  It seems
more reasonable to me, no permanent damage but lots of work to get
off!  (Don't ask me how I know :)  Use it anywhere, the windshield,
the door handles, in the keyhole, etc.  What a nasty mood I'm in.
It's raining again...

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| Ken Snyder              ms/loc: 330 / UN2                    |
| Hewlett-Packard Co.     LSID  : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. |
| 8600 Soper Hill Road    gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253    |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104340
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f


In a previous article, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) says:

>Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled:
>: In article <txd.734810267@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
>: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:
>
>: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here]
>
>The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of
>nowhere, you can eat them.

	And they're rather tasty.


>  Fuel's a bit cheaper, too.
>

	Per gallon (bushel) perhaps. Unfortunately they eat the same amount
every day no matter how much you ride them. And if you don't fuel them they
die. On an annual basis, I spend much less on bike stuff than Amy the Wonder
Wife does on horse stuff. She has two horses, I've got umm, lesseee, 11 bikes.
I ride constantly, she rides four or five times a week. Even if you count 
insurance and the cost of the garage I built, I'm getting off cheaper than 
she is. And having more fun (IMHO).



>
>
-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104341
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: Re: more DoD paraphernali




JS>From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

JS>In article <1pppnrINNitg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>,
JS>doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis) wrote:
JS>>
JS>> How about a decal of thicker vinyl?

JS>  How about a Geeky temporary tatoo?  I mean, why should the
JS>  RUBs be exempt from a little razzing.

That's sick! I want!

You make 'em up, I promise to order. I wannabe Badtothebone!

The cheesy "Live to Ride" eagles are sitting on my shelf, waiting for
the big ride down the coast. (It now looks like we may hit points
farther south than expected. How do I get in contact with Bay Area
Denizens? Replies to address below. Me n' Charlie will be along in early
or mid May.)

Seriously. I like the idea of temporary Geekys (Geekies? Geekae?
Geekii?). It fits the whole DoD image: it sounds bad, but it's really
worse.

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .




JS>====================================================
JS>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
JS>                    All standard disclaimers apply.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104342
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (S

JL-NS>Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (Summer Job)

I'd like to thank everyone who replied. I will probably start looking in
earnest after May, when I return from my trip down the Pacific Coast
(the geographical feature, not the bike).

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104343
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article <1qegpf$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> I know it sounds ludicrous for a biker to advocate restrictions on
> biking in a biking forum,

Don't you mean "former motorcyclist?"

- Roid

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104344
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <1993Apr14.190210.8996@megatek.com>, randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
> |The rider (pilot?)
> 
>   I'm happy I've had such an effect on your choice of words, Seth.. :-)

:-)

T'was a time when I could get a respectable response with a posting like that.
Randy's post doesn't count 'cause he saw the dearth of responses and didn't 
want me to feel ignored (thanks Randy!).

I was curious about this DoD thing.  How do I get a number?  (:-{)}

- Roid

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104345
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes:
> No anyone who is a "true" rider with the real riding attitude will offer a
> wave, weather they are on a Harley or on a Honda or some other bike, inless
> they have a serious case of my bike is better than your and you're too low
> to be acknowleged. This you'll find is the case with most of the harley
> riders out here where I am, however I still give them a wave, and ride
> secure in the knowlege that I'm a better persob than they are.

Huh?

- Roid

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104346
From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a front tire.

In article <C5HrxJ.ACE@unix.amherst.edu>, nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel M
endell) writes:
>Ken Orr (orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com) wrote:
>: In article <C5G7Hv.Cs@unix.amherst.edu> nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel
Mendell) writes:
>: >Steve Mansfield (smm@rodan.UU.NET) wrote:
>: >: Yes, my front tire is all but dead.  It has minimal tread left, so it's
>: >: time for a new one.  Any recommendations on a good tire in front?  I'm
>: >: riding on an almost brand new ME55A in back.
>: >:
>: >: Steve Mansfield       | The system we've learned says we're equal under la
w
>: >: smm@uunet.uu.net    | But the streets are reality, the weak and poor will
fall
>: >: 1983 Suzuki GS550E  | Let's tip the power balance and tear down the crown
>: >: DoD# 1718     | Educate the masses, we'll burn the White House down.
>: >: Queensryche           -       Speak the Word.
>: >
>: >The best thing is to match front and back, no? Given that the 99A ("Perfect"
?)
>: >is such a good tire, just go with that one
>: >
>:     The Me99a perfect is a rear. The match for the front is the Me33 laser.
>:
>:     DOD #306                                     K.O.
>:   AMA #615088                             Orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com
>
>Yeah, what *he* said....<:)
>
>Nathaniel
>ZX-10
>DoD 0812
>AM

>Yes, you definitely need a front tire on a motorcycle....<grin>

-- 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104347
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

In article <1qmvutINN3he@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes:
}In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in
}front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the 
}jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch
}into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a
}better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than
}from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.

This is pretty damned complicated. I just make a "back off" motion with
my hand/arm, and the second or third time even the most braindead cager
backs off. If they don't back off then, I find a way to get the hell out
of there -- the cager is either psychotic, drunk, or just a complete
asshole. In any case, I don't want to be anywhere near, and especially
not in front.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104348
From: bleve@hoggle2.uucp (Bennett Lee Leve)
Subject: Re: Choking Ninja Problem

In article <1993Apr13.153441.49118@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:


 >   I need help with my '85 ZX900A, I put Supertrapp slip-on's on it and
 >   had the carbs re-jetted to match a set of K&N filters that replaced
 >   the stock airbox.  Now I have a huge flat spot in the carburation at
 >   about 5 thousand RPM in most any gear.  This is especially frustrating
 >   on the highway, the bike likes to cruise at about 80mph which happens
 >   to be 5,0000 RPM in sixth gear.  I've had it "tuned" and this doesn't
 >   seem to help.  I am thinking about new carbs or the injection system
 >   from a GPz 1100.  Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix besides
 >   restoring it to stock?
 >   Starr@kuhub.ukans.cc.edu	 the brain dead." -Ted Nugent

It sound like to me that your carbs are not jetted properly.
If you did it yourself, take it to a shop and get it done right.
If a shop did it, get your money back, and go to another shop.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104349
From: keller@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tim Keller)
Subject: airhorns on an FJ1100 review            

For those of you who are thinking about fiamms, you might also want to think
about airhorns. I just installed a set of Bosch air horns ordered from 
Dennis Kirk (pg. 282 of the latest catalog) on my '85 FJ1100. They are rated
at 93db at 7 meters. I installed them using 10 gage wire from the battery to
the relay to the compressor to ground. My stock horn connectors fit the relay
pins just fine. I soldered the connections to the relay and compressor, and used
a crimp type battery connector and an inline 10amp fuse/connector from NAPA.
	I installed the compressor just forward of the fuse box in the front
fairing by tie wrapping between the steering head frame and the black steel tube
frame used to support the front fairing. You have to remove the front fairing to
do this, but it fits outside of the frame but inside the fairing on the two
vertical supports just in front of the fuses. Depending how tight your fairing
follows the frame, you should be able to fit it somewhere in the fairing.
The compressor is about 2" in diameter and about 5" long.
	The relay mounted on the front of the steering head frame (it is small
so there should be plenty of good places for it.
	I found a perfect place for the horns that required only tie wraps to
mount. The horns fit inside the front fairing/frame and stick out on either side
just in front of the air scoops, but behind the turn signals. The back of the
horns point back towards the center of the bike and come real close to where
the gas tank connects to the front part of the frame. There is just enough
room to the outside to allow full lock to lock clearance, and there are nice
cut outs in the frame for the back of the horn to go into.
	The short horn is even with the fairing, and the long one sticks out
about an inch or so, but it is really not that noticable unless you look
closely. They end up pointing down slightly and maybe 30 degrees from straight
ahead (perfect for those cagers trying to change lanes into you).
	If you have any other questions about the mounting, email, and I can try
to explain better. If your bike is not red, then you may want to paint them
first.
	How do they work you ask? They are very, very, very *LOUD*. They sound
more like a european sports car than a truck, but a vast improvement over stock.
I have used them at least daily since installing them, and the 10 amp fuse has
not blown yet (although, the duration of the horn blasts have been short).
	I've repeatedly scared the shit out of my friends with them, even though
they know that I have the horns, they still jump. They are perfect for keeping
the pedestrians on the sidewalk.
The bottom line is they work, are loud enough to cause pain and suffering to
those stupid lane changing cages (as well as take a few years off their lives)
and are relatively easy to install on the FJ. YMMV.

-TJK
'85 FJ1100 with "GET OUT OF MY WAY" horns.
"That looks like a suit you'd fight a fire in" -comment about the Aerostich

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104350
From: <U56673@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: buying advice needed

I am looking for advice on buying a susuki GS1100E.  does anyone out there
know about any inherent flaws the bike may have or problems i should look
for?
what about insurance rates (is this bike blacklisted)?
also, as a person who has never ridden a motorcycle yet is buying a 1100
to start off with.... am I crazy?  I have been told by some people to start out
small.... and by others that i am lage enough to handle an 1100 right off from
the start (6'4" 210 pounds) because some others might be a tad bit small.

Oh yeah, one more question.  Anybody in the chicago area know of any good
instruction schools or programs where i could get aquanted before i just go
buy one and kill myself getting it home.

thanks,
   brian

p.s. please email me direcly because i do not get much of a chance to read your
group...   thanks again.. :)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104351
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1993Apr16.175534.13478@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:

>We all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why
>one can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle. The question is,
>is one of the effect dominant, and which one is it? The idea would be to
>design an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics, and
>see which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of
>us who have bikes are familiar.

As you point out, the experiments would be difficult. But we know
enough about the physics of the situation to do some calculations.
There are in fact three effects contributing to leaning the bike over
to begin a turn.

	1. Gyro effect causing a torque which twists the bike over.

	2. Contact patch having shifted to one side, causing bike to fall over.

	3. Contact patch being accelerated to the side, causing a
	torque which twists the bike over.

Take an average bike/rider, average bike wheel, and at speeds of 5,
15, and 50 mph (say) calculate how much twist of the bars would be
needed to produce (say) 20 degrees of lean in (say) 2 seconds by each
effect alone. My guess is that at slow speeds 2 is dominant, and at
high speeds 3 is dominant, and at all speeds 1 contributes not far off
bugger all, relatively speaking.

By the way, a similar problem is this: how does a runner who wants to
run round a corner get leaned into the corner fast? Is there a running
group where we could start "counter-footing" arguments and have them
all falling over as they tried to work out how they go round corners?
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104352
From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 440 AE for sale.



Included in thas  sale is a Cover  .  THe cover is not sold separately.
The trailer is not being sold.   

pat

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104353
From: "Jae W. Chang" <jae+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Info on Sport-Cruisers

I'm looking for a sport-cruiser - factory installed fairings (
full/half ), hard saddle bags, 750cc and above, and all that and still
has that sporty look.

I particularly like the R100RS and K75 RT or S, or any of the K series
BMW bikes.

I was wondering if there are any other comparable type bikes being
produced by companies other than BMW.

Thanks for the info,
Jae

--------------------------
jae@cmu.edu 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104354
From: daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:


>Better still, reverse this sequence, then hit the bugger under accelleration
>(to stabilise yourself). I hate things that attack me. 
>If the dog thinks you have run away, it has established dominance over 
>these funny noisy sheep things, and will attack every bike that comes 
>along for the fun of it. If you can hurt the bugger, it learns that it 
>is below bikes in the peck order, and you may have saved the life of a 
>future biker, whose evasive action to avoid the dog might otherwise put 
>him under a truck. Never avoid a dog for the dog's sake, only you're own. 

 I hate to  admit this but there does seem to be some sort of twisted logic
to this approach. It's the bikers against the world and the dogs are just 
another worthless adversary. So remember to wear at least calf height leather
boots, ( in case the dog gets lucky and sinks his teeth into your
attacking foot) and go for the gusto, If that dog doesn't retreat from the
street with his tail between his legs next time you see it then you really
haven't done your bit for all your fellow bikers.

>This also applies in cages.

Sorry I can't go this far, A dog against and armored cage just doesn't
seem like a fair fight.

>If the dog is out of control, it is a menace to all road users, and no
>compunction should be felt if ensuring your safety means the destruction of 
>it's. After all, it is forcing the game, not you.

after all it is a dog eat dog world 

Dave


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104355
From: artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)
Subject: More MOA stuff --- like the RA

OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept 
leadership.

My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the
formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years
ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups?

Just to stave off flames: I'm a (relatively new) member of both groups
and besides a difference in the slickness of the magazines, it seems
the major difference is that the RA guys seem to have more fun. . .

Art
-- 
Art Campbell          artc@world.std.com            72227.1375@compuserve.com
   DoD 358                                  _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels.
    "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent 
     and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104356
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
>: English cars:-
>
>: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc.
>                  ^^^^^^
>   Talk about Harleys using old technology, these
>Morgan people *really* like to use old technology.
>I think their suspension design hasn't changed since 
>they went from 3 wheels to 4 back in the '50s.  And it's
>not like they had reached the pinnacle of good design 
>at that point either. 

Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood)
frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)).  
I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features.

Karen Black

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104357
From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin)
Subject: dogs

I'm a biker and a dog-lover.

First and foremost, I want to mention some common sense.  If it's a choice
between injuring/killing a dog or getting yourself injured/killed, there is
only one rational decision.  Only the most insane animal rights kook would put
the dog first.

Second, it's useful to learn how to read a dog's body language.  How you react
to a dog who is chasing you because he thinks it's a game (and that you're
playing with him) is completely different from how you react to a dog which
has hostile intent.

Third, it's useful to learn how to present yourself to a dog.  Dogs are social
beasts, and recognize a domination/submission hierarchy.  To a dog, there are
two types of fellow-creatures; that which he dominates, and that which
dominate him.  You need to unambiguously represent yourself as being of the
latter class.  You are God: you are easily angered and your anger is terrible.
But God is also amused by one who properly submits to His dominance, and may
even on rare occasions dispense a kind word, a kind word, or even (oh joy oh
rapture unforeseen) A Dog Bisquit!

Now, how does that all relate to biking?  Well, first, it's a good idea to
assume that most dogs who chase motorcycles do so because they think it's a
game, and not out of overt hostility.  The MSF suggestion is a very good one;
when you see the dog coming, slow down so he determines a particular place of
interception.  Just before you (and he) reach that spot, punch the throttle so
that when he reaches it you're already long gone.  Dogs take a few seconds to
react to new input, and definitely cannot comprehend the acceleration that a
motorcycle is capable of.

With a hostile dog, or one which you repeatedly encounter, stronger measures
may be necessary.  This is the face off.  First -- and there is very important
-- make sure you NEVER face off a dog on his territory.  Face him off on the
road, not on his driveway.  If necessary, have a large stick, rolled up
newspaper, etc. (something the beast will understand is something that will
hurt him).  Stand your ground, then slowly advance.  Your mental attitude is
that you are VERY ANGRY and are going to dispense TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.  The
larger the dog, the greater your anger.

Dogs will pick up anger, just as they can pick up fear.  And, since you and he
are not on his home territory, it may suddenly dawn on the dog that perhaps he
is on your territory, and that you are prepared to fight to the death.

Most dogs will decide that it is a good idea to retreat to their own territory
where there is at least a home advantage.  They'll also observe that you are
satisfied by that retreat (gesture of submission) and thus they have escaped
punishment.

The interesting thing about dogs is that body language communicates a great
deal to them.  The more effective you are at communicating body language, the
less you actually have to do.  After 7 years with my 93 pound beast, I've
learned a few tricks I think...

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104358
From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Misc./buying info. needed

Hi. I have been thinking about buying a Motorcycle or a while now and I have
some questions:

-Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how
to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?
-Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?

Also
-Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc?
-Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?

ANY related information is helpful. Please respond directly to me.

Thanks a lot.
-Jordan

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104359
From: ljuca+@CS.CMU.EDU (Ljubomir Perkovic)
Subject: Draining battery

I have a problem with the battery on my '83 Honda CB650 NightHawk.
Every week or so it is dead and I have to recharge it. I ride the bike 
every day, the battery is new and the charging system was checked 
thoroughly and it seems fine. My suspicion is that it is draining
somewhere. 

Do you have any idea about what is causing this problem?
Please help since my mechanic and me are clueless!...

Ljubomir



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104360
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In rec.motorcycles klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
;In <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
;
;>Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley.
;>Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my
;>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
;>other, from what I can tell.
;
;  When we take a hand off the bars we fall down!

The problem is that Squids and BadAssBikers can't recognize
each other's waves.  When you're riding a cruiser, you "wave"
by lifting two or three fingers of the left hand, without
first removing that hand from the handlebar.  When you're
riding a crotch rocket, you lower the left hand to about
ankle level, palm forward, and call that a wave.

Generic bike riders actually seem to raise the hand entirely
off the handlebar and wave it around, so it's easy to tell
when they're waving.

---
chris

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104361
From: revco@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (John Boockholdt)
Subject: Re: Lane Sharing in CA

In three years of riding in the cities of San Jose,
Santa Clara, and Sunnyvale I never came into any
conflict with the local police over my lane splitting
habits (all three of these cities were listed earlier
as being anti-splitting in one way or another).  I
can't say whether this was due to luck, police
kindness, or there not actually being any ordinances
against it in these cities, so I continue.....

RevCo


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104362
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:

> My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or
> something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the
> approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target,
> then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it
> didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my
> house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
> the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
> the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to
> harm.

[interesting dog collision story deleted]

> What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have
> prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not
> necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was
> riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if
> it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the
> thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a
> blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are
> long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end?
> 
> I eagerly await comment.

My driveway and about half my neighbor's driveways are long enough to
do a good 80 clicks (50mph for the velocity impaired) if we wanted to.
Granted, I live in the country, however I've seen neighbors whip out
of their driveways at the above mentioned 30 mph quite a bit- they
claim they can tell that "There's noone on the road for quite a ways."
This despite having nearly been hit myself by one of them while driving
a Chev 4x4, and twice taking my 10-speed bicycle over the hood of a
car that had pulled out, saw me, *then* stopped.  Same driver.  Same car.
About two months apart.  

ObMoto:  The scary relevant part is that these people and I live on the type
of twisty two lane that we all favor for riding- and I know damn well
that they can't see me on my bike, not if they couldn't see me in 
my pickup.

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> 
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	followed by the words "Hey- you're not my Daddy!"

	(Sorry- I had to do it just once)
	

--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104363
From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...

In article <13386@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.
>
>I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
>vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.
>
>Now what do I do?

Sell the bike and the car and start taking the bus. That way you can
keep drinking which seems to be where your priorities lay.

I expect that enough of us on this list have lost friends because of
driving drunks that our collective sympathy will be somewhat muted.

Showing great restraint,
Keith Hanlan  KeithH@bnr.ca  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104364
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted

In article <1qmnga$s9q@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes:
>In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says:

>>I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin
>>desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd
>>cylinder would go? A 12 second 1/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all.
>
>Sorry, I should have been more specific.  The 750 SS ran the quater in
>12.10 @ 108.17.  The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is
>a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @
>103.  Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105.
>
>BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out
>run that.  It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old
>KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on.  Technology stands still for
>no-one...

Not too hard to remember, I bought a GS1000 new in '78. :-) It was
3rd place in the '78 speed wars (behind the CBX & XS Eleven) with a
11.8 @ 113 1/4 mile, and 75 horses. That wouldn't even make a good 600
these days. Then again, I paid $2800 for it, so technology isn't the
only thing that's changed. Of course I'd still rather ride the old GS
across three states than any of the 600's.

I guess it's an indication of how much things have changed that a 12
second 400 didn't seem too far out of line.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104365
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <1993Apr15.141927.23722@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>Huh?
>
>- Roid

	On a completely different tack, what was the eventual outcome of
Babe vs. the Bad-Mouthed Biker?

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104366
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

Karen Black (karen@angelo.amd.com) wrote:
: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
: >Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
: >: English cars:-
: >
: >: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc.
: >                  ^^^^^^
: >   Talk about Harleys using old technology, these
: >Morgan people *really* like to use old technology.

: Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood)
: frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)).  
: I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features.

Hey!  I wasn't picking on Morgan.  They use old technology.  That's all
I said.  There's nothing wrong with using old technology.  People still
use shovels to dig holes even though there are lots of new powered implements
to dig holes with.  
--
*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104367
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
]"Get the organization to act on it" is easy to say, but says little
]about what one really can and should do.  What the organization
]actually will do is largely determined by the president and directors,
]as far as I can see.  That's what makes it so important to vote in an
]election of officers.

if I remember right, I heard that in the last election, only 18% of the
members actually cast votes. I wonder if the current board and their
friends and relatives make up 18% of the membership :-) :-)  I certainly
plan on staying with the club long enough to vote and to see the results.

]It does strike me that the BMWMOA is a lot less politically active (in
]the state and national arenas, not infighting) than other M/C
]organizations.  Should we change this?  Or just join the other groups
]that already are in politics?

I wouldn't support the MOA becoming politically active in that sense.
the AMA already knows how to do that and I'd rather see the MOA support
the AMA in a manner that the *AMA* needs. I think that more could be
accomplished from one strong front rather than two not neccessarily 
coordinated ones.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104368
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
]I wrote the slash two blues for a bit of humor which seems to be lacking
]in the MOA Owners News, when most of the stuff is "I rode the the first
]day, I saw that, I rode there the second day, I saw this" 

I admit it was a surprise to find something interesting to read in 
the most boring and worthless mag of all the ones I get.

]any body out there know were the sense if humor went in people?
]I though I still had mine, but I dunno... 

I think most people see your intended humor, I do, I liked the article.
you seem to forget that you've stepped into the political arena. as well
intentioned as you may intend something you're walking through a china
store carrying that /2 on your head. everything you say or do says something
about how you would represent the membership on any given day. you don't
have to look far in american politics to see what a few light hearted
jokes about one segment of the population can do to someone in the limelight.

OBMoto: I did manage to squeak in a reference to a /2 ;-)

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104369
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes:
]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.

I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling...

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104370
From: dug@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dug Smith)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted

I spoke to a sales dweeb in 3X, a Ducati dealer here in Blighty, and he had
nothing good to say about them... it appears they are waaaay underpowered,
(basically, it's the 750/900 with a 400cc engine), and there have been some
quality problems (rusty _frame_ !!).  Save your pennies... buy the 900 :)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104371
From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

I first heard it about academic politics but the same thought seems to
apply to the BMWMOA

"The politics is so dirty because the stakes are so small."

Who cares? I get my dues-worth from the ads and occasional technical
articles in the "News". I skip the generally drab articles about someone's
trek across Iowa. If some folks get thrilled by the power of the BMWMOA,
they deserve whatever thrills their sad lives provide.

BTW, I voted for new blood just to keep things stirred up.

Henry Prange
Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405
DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215
ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2
The four tenets of all major religions:
1. I am right.
2. You are wrong.
3. Hence, you deserve to be punished.
4. By me.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104372
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering

exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au wrote:
: Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !

Oh goody!  I love a puzzle.  Watson!  The games afoot!

: Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there
: was a slight difference-  a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension
: to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very
: tangible "thunk".  I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. 

<stuff deleted>

: Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ?  How can you
: rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without
: damaging the thread in the hole ?  Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo

Let me guess.  You were making a left turn, correct?  The edge of the stud
contacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself.  If you had 
been making a right turn it would have tightened the stud. 


--
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* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104373
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
mjs>Secondly, it is the adhesion of the
mjs>tyre on the road, the suspension geometry  and the ground clearance of the
mjs> motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and
mjs>not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
mjs>suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster
mjs>or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise??

egreen@east.sun.com writes:
ed>If he's not, I will.  

Hey Ed, you didn't give me the chance!  Sheesh!

The answer is, absolutely!, as Ed so eloquently describes:

ed>Put two riders on identical machines.  It's the
ed>one who knows what he's doing, and why, that will be faster.  It *may*
ed>be possible to improve your technique if you have no idea what it is,
ed>through trial and error, but it is not very effective methodology.
ed>Only by understanding the technique of steering a motorcycle can one
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ed>improve on that technique (I hold that this applies to any human
ed>endeavor).

Herein lies the key to this thread:

Kindly note the difference in the responses.  Ed (and I) are talking
about knowing riding technique, while Mike is arguing knowing the physics
behind it.  It *is* possible to be taught the technique of countersteering
(ie: push the bar on the inside of the turn to go that way) *without*
having to learn all the fizziks about gyroscopes and ice cream cones
and such as seen in the parallel thread.  That stuff is mainly of interest
to techno-motorcycle geeks like the readers of rec.motorcycles  ;^),
but doesn't need to be taught to the average student learning c-steering.
Mike doesn't seem to be able to make the distinction.  I know people
who can carve circles around me who couldn't tell you who Newton was.
On the other hand, I know very intelligent, well-educated people who
think that you steer a motorcycle by either: 1) leaning, 2) steering
a la bicycles, or 3) a combination of 1 and 2.  Knowledge of physics
doesn't get you squat - knowledge of technique does!

Mr. Bill

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104374
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes:
> No anyone who is a "true" rider with the real riding attitude will offer a
> wave, weather they are on a Harley or on a Honda or some other bike, inless
> they have a serious case of my bike is better than your and you're too low
> to be acknowleged. 

I may not wave:  I just wink at you with one eye.  'Course, it's hard to see
that through a shield and sunglasses, but hey, if you're a "true rider with 
the real riding attitude," you'll sense it.  

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104375
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>, mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
> 
> With a hostile dog, or one which you repeatedly encounter, stronger measures
> may be necessary.  This is the face off.  First -- and there is very important
> -- make sure you NEVER face off a dog on his territory.  Face him off on the
> road, not on his driveway.  If necessary, have a large stick, rolled up
> newspaper, etc. (something the beast will understand is something that will
> hurt him).  Stand your ground, then slowly advance.  Your mental attitude is
> that you are VERY ANGRY and are going to dispense TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.  The
> larger the dog, the greater your anger.

This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
dog or one that's really, *really* stupid.  A large Irish Setter taught me
this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day.  I'm sure he was playing 
a game with me.  The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before 
He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104376
From: small@tornado.seas.ucla.edu (James F. Small)
Subject: Re: Here's to the assholes

In article <JROBBINS.93Apr15103031@kingston.cs.ucla.edu> you rambled on about:
)In article <9953@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> small@thunder.seas.ucla.edu (James F. Small) writes:
)>   Here's to the 3 asshole scooter owners who TRIPLE PARKED behind my
)>    bike today. 
)
)Jim calling other prople assholes, what's next?
                   ^^^^^^

If you're going to flame, learn to spell.

)Besides, assholeism is endemic to the two-wheeled motoring community.

Why I do believe that Jason, the wise, respected (hahahha), has just made a
stereotypical remark.  How unsophisticated of you.  I'm so sorry you had to
come out of your ivory tower and stoop (as you would say), to my , obviously,
lower level.

Besides, geekism is endemic to the albino-phoosball playing community (and
those who drive volvos)


Remember ,send your flames to jrobbins@cs.ucla.edu
-- 
I need what a formal education can not provide.
---
DoD# 2024

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104377
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Safe driving prcatices...

In article <5028@cvbnetPrime.COM>, 
rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:

|> Never dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass
|> make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make
|> sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least
|> getting into his area of vision.

This reads a lot like the philosophies of Musashi,
in the Book of Five Rings. Much of the section on
the long sword is that of being strong and decisive.

Hmmm. The more things change....

|> Ride with four eyes...

What an awfull thing to call your pillion!

|> Rich

|> "Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
|>  us from the evil men do in the name of good"

Power corrupts. Check out the explosion that the
cryptography policy from the WhiteHouse Friday
has caused....

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104378
From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields)
Subject: Misc./Buying Info. Needed

Hi. I have been thinking about buying a Motorcycle or a while now and I have
some questions:

-Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how
to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?
-Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?

Also
-Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc?
-Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?

ANY related information is helpful. Please respond directly to me.

Thanks a lot.
-Jordan

Me also.
					Thanks,

					Jonathan D. Fields
					fields@cis.ohio-state.edu




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104379
From: johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns)
Subject: Need a wheel


Does anyone have a rear wheel for a PD they'd like to part with?

Does anyone know where I might find one salvage?

As long as I'm getting the GIVI luggage for Brunnhilde and have
the room, I thought I'd carry a spare.

Ride Free,

Bill
___________________________________________________________________             
johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu  prez=BIMC  KotV KotRR                                
DoD #00314  AMA #580924   SPI = 7.18   WMTC #0002  KotD #0001             
Yamabeemer fj100gs1200pdr650 Special and a Volvo.  What more could anyone ask? 
                                                           
Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.
 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104380
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In rec.motorcycles egreen@east.sun.com writes:
;Revving the throttle requires either [dis]engaging the clutch, 
;or accelerating.  

Not if it's a Harley.

---
chris

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104381
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg>, 
ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
|> hello there
|> ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
|> comment on its handling .

I remember a commercial for some cheap, top-
heavy import cage a while back, where the 
driver says while wearing a stuck-up fake 
TV anouncers smile:

"It Really goes Straight!"

It fits.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104382
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)

In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu>, 
jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:

|> Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
|> info available on this newsgroup.

Isn't this redundent?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104383
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>, 
mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
|> I'm a biker and a dog-lover.

No wonder bikers have such a horrid reputation.

Go find a HUMAN!


|> The interesting thing about dogs is that body language communicates a great
|> deal to them.  The more effective you are at communicating body language, the
|> less you actually have to do. 

I agree completely. Unfortunately, the majority
of my feelings, before I can even start to think
rationally abhout the dog that is trying to kill
me, are fear.

When there's been a moment to set up, like you
said "a bit down the road" or whatever, I've 
never had a problem with dogs.

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104384
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: RGV and posing!!

In article <speedy.153@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>In article <2553@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> amydlak@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Adam Mydlak) writes:

>>[Squid deleted]

> 5.  Helment laws vary from state to state.  In my state (Louisiana) it is 
>the law.  I personaly, would not go 2 feet on a bike without one law or no 
>law.  A helment will save your life.

I'll go 2 feet, but I draw the line at 3. 
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104385
From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias)
Subject: Re: Comments on a 1984 Honda Interceptor 1000?

In article <19APR93.15421177@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:
>Hi.
>     I am considering the purchase of a 1984 Honda 1000cc Interceptor for
>$2095 CDN (about $1676 US).  I don't know the mileage on this bike, but from
>the picture in the 'RV Trader' magazine, it looks to be in good shape.
>Can anybody enlighten me as to whether this is a good purchase?  Is it a 
>good bike?  This will be my first bike.  (I realize that, for a beginner,
>1000cc is considered too be a bit too much bike.  I have heard from friends
>that were once beginners that if they had to start all over again that they
>would have started with a bigger bike.  One just has to be careful and not
>drive outside their skill level.) 
>     I had considered (and posted about two weeks ago) the purchase of 1982
>600cc Yamaha Seca Turbo with 33000 km, but I am a little wary now about the
>prospect of having to deal with a turbo (both on the road and in the shop).  I
>may still consider this bike (the price dropped from $1300 to $1100 CDN), but
>the Honda seems to be a good bike. 
>
>     Comments?
>

One word "HEAVY". It steers heavy, turns require alot of effort. Hard to get
access to the large V-4 motor. Weak/small front forks with anti-dive gizmos!

AT




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104386
From: jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo)
Subject: bike for sale in MA, USA

I've recently become father of twins!  I don't think I can afford
 to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies.  Both babies are staying, so 1 of
 the Harleys is going.

	1988 883 XLHD
	~4000 mi.  (hey, it was my wife's bike :-)
	4speed, chain secondary, laced wheels, buckhorns,
	 tachometer, saddlebags & supports, sissy bar, SE
	 high-flow air cleaner
	dark candy red
	$3700

---
 Jeff deRienzo
 jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104387
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu) writes:
]Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

yes.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104388
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Flashing anyone?

In article <1993Apr15.123539.2228@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
>Hello all,
>
>On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals
>flash).  Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of
>tolls one must pay on route.  Just before arriving at a toll booth I
>switch the hazards on.  I do thisto warn other motorists that I will
>be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.
>Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making
>transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the
>average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll.
>I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and
>usually go to another booth.
>
>My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?

	This sounds like a VERY good thing to do.

>Any others tend to do the same?

	I will now, whenever I don't have my handy-dandy automatic coin
fetcher/toll payer (Annette :-) with me.

	Thanks for the tip.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104389
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Antifreeze/coolant

	For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,
what brand of coolant do you use and why?  I am looking for aluminum-safe
coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.
(Can you believe it:  the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official
Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!!  No way I'm paying that usury...)

Thanks,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104390
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

In article <1993Apr15.153312.4125@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <tcora-140493155620@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com>,
[...]
>>BZZZT! If it is the other driver's fault, your insurance co pays you, less
>>deductible, then recoups the total cost from the other guy/gal's company
>>(there's a fancy word for it, which escapes me right now), and pays you the
>>deductible. Or: you can go to the other guy/gal's company right off - just
>>takes longer to get your cash (as opposed to State Farm, who cut me a check
>>today, on the spot, for the damage to my wife's cage).
>
>	The word is "subrogation."  Seems to me, if you're willing to wait
>for the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the
>deductible.  However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may
>have to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large-
>fanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers.
>
>	Sad, but true.  Call it job security for lawyers.
>
>Later,
>-- 
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
[...]


You know, it sounds suspiciously like no fault doesn't even do what it
was advertised as doing---getting the lawyers out of the loop.

Sigh.  Another naive illusion down the toilet....





-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104391
From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

am amazed at the number of Harley riders who ARE waving even to a lowly
baby ninja.  Let's keep up the good attitudes.  Brock Yates said in this
months Car and Driver he is ready for a war (against those who would rather
we all rode busses).  We bikers should be too.

It's a freedom that we all wanna know
and it's an obsession to some
to keep the world in your rearview mirror
while you try to run down the sun

"Wheels" by Rhestless Heart
Marty O.
87 250 ninja
73 XL 250 Motosport

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104392
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Re: CAMPING was Help with backpack

In article <1993Apr14.193739.13359@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1993Apr13.152706.27518@bnr.ca> Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca> writes:
>|My crafty girfriend makes campfire/bbq starters a la McGiver:
>Well, heck, if you're going to make them yourself, you can buy
>candle-wax by the pound--much cheper than the candles themselves.

Hell, just save your candle stubs and bring them.  Light them up, and
dribble the wax all over the kindling wood and light _that_.  Although
I like the belly-button lint / eggshell case idea the best, if you're
feeling particularly industrious some eventful evening.  Or you can
do what I did one soggy summer: open the fuel line, drain some onto a 
piece of rough or rotten wood, stick that into the middle of the soon-to-
be inferno and CAREFULLY strike a match... As Kurt Vonnegut titled one
of the latter chapters in Cat's Cradle, "Ah-Whoom!"

Works like a charm every time :-)


/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\
|                                                                |
|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |
|  '90 Kawi Zephyr                  (Erik Asphaug)               |
|   '86 BMW R80GS                                                |
\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104393
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
>Did I do the right thing?
>
>Yours Truly : 
>
>                                  Niels Mikkel
YESSS!  You make me proud to
be an 'Merkun.  Good thing you
didn't get shot though. Don't
try that with a good'ole boy in Texas.
I once had a jeep driver south of Conroe cut me off (I was 
in my car) after I had flipped him off for doing something really idiotic
and senseless.  All 280 lbs of him stretches out of his jeep; he walks
back (he is blocking all traffic between Dallas and Houston since the
freeway has been squeezed into a single lane) and says to me, "Stick that
finger out again and I'll rip it off your hand and shove it down your
sorry-ass throat."  I stared straight ahead, unblinking.  A hundred
cars were honking.  Eventually he got back into his jeep, face beet-red
with anger, and all the rest of the way back to Houston I tailed him, 
waving, honking, flipping him off, yelling...  I'm glad he decided 
not to shoot me.
/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\
|                                                                |
|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |
| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |
| '86 BMW R100GS						 | 
\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104394
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1qjn7i$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
}>On a
}>waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on
}>a motorcycle, so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the
}>centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for
}>gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*.
}
}...FOR A WATERSKI BIKE.  It contradicts nothing for a motorcycle.

Not only that, but this morning I saw a TV ad for a waterski bike
(a Sea Doo, for those who care). I watched the lengthy ad very
carefully, and in every case and at every speed the riders turned
the handlebars left to go left, and right to go right. In other
words, they were *NOT* countersteering.

So perhaps it is only *some* waterski bikes on which one countersteers...
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104395
From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Subject: European M/C Insurance

Anyone in Europe got any advice for a US citizen whose going to be living
and working in Italy for a year and wants to buy a motorcycle there?  An
Italian friend just arrived here in Washington State to work for two years,
and she's finding it very very difficult to obtain car insurance.  So I
thought I'd ask...

I have a US license, with motorcycle endorsement (unlimited displacement),
and have had for 30 years.  I am also a Washington State Motorcycle Safety
instructor, if that info might help.

I will post a summary, even if it's just of my own personal experience in 
buying a bike and getting it insured after I get to Italy.
--
H. Marc Lewis               | "There are two kinds of people in the world --
Olivetti North America      | those who divide everything in the world into
marcl@mail.spk.olivetti.com | two kinds of things and those who don't"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104396
From: csk@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Chuck Kuczaj)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18

mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes:

>Don't you just hate when the speedo and tach on your
>bike start to cloud over from all that nasty sunshine?
>The detailing tip of the week is to use rubbing compound.

>Moisten a rag, apply some rubbing compound and work into the
>translucent, previously transparent, material. After a few 
>minutes of working on the plastic face, the dial, or plastic 
>face will be clear once more. Will not work for glass.

>-- 

>BTW.  I am not responsible for damages incurred when using 
>      the above method.  Most models can use the treatment
>      safely.


>=============================================================================
>= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
>= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
>= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
>=============================================================================

McGuire's makes a plastic scratch/removing compound and a plastic
polishing compound which really work great as well.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104397
From: manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Subject: Shipping a bike


Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?

I remember a thread on shipping.  If someone saved the instructions
on bike prep, please post 'em again, or email.

Thanks,

Manish

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104398
From: jonc@joncpc.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Mike Corcoran)
Subject: Re: tire recomendation for CB400T wanted

In article <1993Apr14.172716.4301@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, asalerno@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (antonio.j.salerno..jr) writes:
|> 
|> I've got a '81 CB400T with Chen-Shing (sp?) tires on it.
|> I got it with these tires on it!  The only reason I need new tires 
|> is beacuse I hate (and don't feel safe on) these.
|> 
|> I'd appreciate any recomendations I can get (about NEW tires!).
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Tony

I'll throw in a vote for a Metzler "economy" tire, the ME77. Good
for mid-size older bikes. Rated to 130mph. Wearing well and handles
my 12 mile ride(twisties) to work well on the SR500. Costs a bit 
more than the Chengs/IRC's etc, but still less than the Sport
Metzlers for the newer bikes. Cost from Chaparral is about $60 for the
front, and $70 for the rear.
-- 
          Jon M.(Mike) Corcoran <Mike.Corcoran@SanDiego.NCR.COM>   
		  '78 Yamaha SR500 - '72 Honda XL250 - '70 Husky 400 Cross

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104399
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: BDI Experience

Kent D. Polk (kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu) wrote:

: Also watch your mirrors any time you are turning. I just had another close
: one last night. Preparing for a right turn on a two lane road. Right turn
: signals on, starting the turn, and this lady behind me hits the throttle and
: starts to pass me on the RIGHT.  This has happened to me twice before.  the

I have had this happen to me often enough that I always look for it.
On my ride to work in the morning I come to a stop light where there are
3 lanes in my direction.  One for left turns, one for straight through, and
one for right turns.  All clearly marked.  Plus there is a clearly marked 
bicycle lane.  I ride into the right turn lane with my signal on and stop at 
the stop line.  Looking left to see if I can make a "right turn on red" and
when I start to move discovered that some idiot has pulled into the bike
lane and is trying to pass me on the right.  GRRR.
   I always do a head check on bike lanes.  Not always for bicycles. . .
--
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* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104400
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
down a rathole.
   When you guys sort this out let me know.

--
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* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104401
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike


In a previous article, manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) says:

>
>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?

Hmmmmmm....put your butt in the seat and follow the road signs?

-- 
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   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104402
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: Antifreeze/coolant

In article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
|> 	For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,
|> what brand of coolant do you use and why?  I am looking for aluminum-safe
|> coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.
|> (Can you believe it:  the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official
|> Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!!  No way I'm paying that usury...)
|> 

Prestone.  I buy it at ShopKo for less 
than that a _gallon_.    BMW has even more
expensive stuff than Kawasaki (must be 
from grapes only grown in certain parts of
the fatherland), but BMW Dave* said "Don't 
worry about it -- just change it yearly and
keep it topped off".  It's been keeping 
Gretchen happy  since '87, so I guess it's OK.

Kept my Rabbit's aluminum radiator hoppy for
12 years and 130,000 miles, too, so I guess
it's aluminum safe. 

*Former owner of the late lamented Rochester 
BMW Motorcycles and all around good guy.

-- 


   Pooder  -  Rochester, MN   -  DoD #591  
 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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 -------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104403
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs

In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
>Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride 
>on the back of his bike.  My dog would love it if I could ever make it work.
>	Thanks
>			84wendel@cua.edu
 
 If a large Malmute counts then yes someone has heard(and seen) such
an irresponsible childish stunt. The dog needed assistance straightening
out once on board. The owner would lift the front legs of dog and throw
them over the driver/pilots shoulders. Said dog would get shit eating
grin on its face and away they'd go. The dogs ass was firmly planted
on the seat.
 
 My dog and this dog actively seek each other out at camping party's.
They hate each other. I think it's something personal.
 
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 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104404
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?

>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,
>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT?  That way, next time some guy comes up
>to me in some parking lot and sez "hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox
>frame on there?" I can say something besides "duh, er, huh?"

The Yammie Deltabox and the Hawk frame are conceptually similar
but Yammie has a TM on the name. The Hawk is a purer 'twin spar' 
frame design: investment castings at steering head and swing arm
tied together with aluminum extruded beams. The Yammie solution is
a bit more complex.
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 Rule #1: Never sell a Ducati.         | "The street finds its own
 Rule #2: Always obey Rule #1.         |  uses for things." -WG
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104405
From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

In article <1qf5g8$32l@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Dan J. Declerck (declrckd@rtsg.mot.com) wrote:
>: In states with No-fault auto-insurance, this applies. You basically insure your
>: own vehicle, and the max you can sue for is about $400 (In MI, anyway).
>: The point to be made with no-fault, is the fact that it removes the lawyers from the
>: system, and lets people get their money faster. The removal of lawyers, reduces the
>: clogs on court system, and thus, reduces government burdens, by not requiring so
>: many judges. 
>
>: does it work?? I don't know, ask the people of Michigan....
>
>No, ask the people of New Jersey where the "no-fault" hoax has been
>going on for years.  Last I heard every state that ever got no-fault
>insurance saw an increase in rates.  I know that's what happened in
>NJ because I lived there when it changed.  Just one more reason I will
>never go back to that state.
>--
>*******************************************************************************
>* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
>* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
>*******************************************************************************

        In Colorado my agent tells me that no fault only applies to
   the medical coverage.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104406
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote:
: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
: down a rathole.

i concur with this.

the politics and bickering going on has
ruined BMWMOA to me.  because of the
politics and fighting, i'm i'm going to
let my current membership lapse when it's
up for renewal.


-- hesh

p.s. BMWRA's On The Level is a far superiour
     publication in my opinion.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104407
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

Tommy Marcus McGuire (mcguire@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
: You know, it sounds suspiciously like no fault doesn't even do what it
: was advertised as doing---getting the lawyers out of the loop.

: Sigh.  Another naive illusion down the toilet....

Since most legislators are lawyers it is very difficult to get any
law passed that would cut down on lawyers' business.  That is why
"No-fault" insurance laws always backfire. 
--
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* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104408
From: bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <1qjtr9$llb@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>
>In a previous article, ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg () says:
>
>>hello there
>>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>>comment on its handling .
>
>You're kidding, right?  This is Flame bait in the extreme.  V-max handling?
>Har har har har....

Zero to very fast very quickly... lastest rumor is 115 hp at the rear wheel,
handles like a dream in a straight line to 80-100, and then gets a tad upset
according to a review in Cycle World... cornering, er well, you can't have 
everything... Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards
of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days.

All this gleemed from reviews and discussions with owners. I too lust after
this bike.

bj...bradw@Newbridge.com... no .sig no .plan no.clue  >> DoD# 255 <<

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104409
From: rmugele@oracle.com (Robert Mugele)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:

>   The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>   the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>   driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>   calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>   window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
>   Did I do the right thing?

Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S.  Then the cager will pull a gun
and blow you away.

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| Senior Computational Linguist | Phone: 214-401-5875            |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104410
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)

In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
>( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. )  I should
>be road legal tomorrow.  I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about 
>the transmission and taking my chances.

	There should be no worries about the trans.

>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).

	Does this count?

$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
							 return...)

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104411
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: What about No-Fault?

In article <1416@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:
>
>Insurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage.  Since the
>majority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we
>would have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system?
>
>With a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the
>legal costs out of the system.  But it looks like motorcyclists would
>get screwed.

	Yup.  Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, the cost of insurance
does NOT go down with No Fault.  The crappiest drivers make out like bandits
because they no longer have to bear the responsibility of paying for
insurance that they have boosted in price for themselves by being crappy
drivers.  The good drivers now pay through the nose to spread the cost of
the crappy drivers' actions, and that's not fair.

	Any plan that caps rates for crappy drivers is inherently a piece of
shit, because the rest of us end up paying more.

	Any plan that uses speeding tickets as a basis for raising rates is
also a piece of shit as it is based upon the lie that faster drivers are
inherently less safe than slower drivers, and the NHTSA disproved that two
years ago now.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104412
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

>maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>|>  
>|>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to
>|> rock 
>|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
>|>  
>|>  So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and 
>|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.
>|>  
>|>  The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know
>|> for 
>|> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a ....
>|> church 
>|> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should
>|> I just 
>|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or
>|> should I 
>|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my
>|> likely 
>|> passenger? 

	Do I have to be the one to say it?

	DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
	FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!

	That kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against.
If you fall with the helmet on and you hit the same spot the helmet landed
on during the drop, the helmet may not protect your head as well as it was
intended to do.  Conservative rec.moto'ers will recommend that you replace
the helmet.  If you want to be sure that it will protect you adequately, you
should.

	HELMETS GO ON THE GROUND, ON A TABLE, ON A CHAIR, ON A SHELF, OR ON
	ANY OTHER SURFACE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEM SO THAT THEY
	WILL NOT EASILY BE KNOCKED DOWN.

	Jeezus.  My new Shoei would be $340 to replace.  You think I'm going
to leave it to chance?

	Cripe.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104413
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <1993Apr9.172953.12408@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>The rider (pilot?) of practically every riceburner I've passed recently
>has waved to me and I'm wondering if it will last.  Could they simply be 
>overexuberant that their 'burners have been removed from winter moth-balls 
>and the novelty will soon dissipate?  Perhaps the gray beard that sprouted
>since the last rice season makes them think I'm a friendly old fart that
>deserves a wave...

Maybe...then again did you get rid of that H/D of yorn and buy a rice rocket 
of your own?  That would certainly explain the friendliness...unless you 
maybe had a piece of toilet paper stuck on the bottom of your boot...8-).

Rich


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
 us from the evil men do in the name of good"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104414
From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18

Chuck Kuczaj (csk@wdl50.wdl.loral.com) wrote:
: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes:
: 
: McGuire's makes a plastic scratch/removing compound and a plastic
: polishing compound which really work great as well.

A useful tip.

How about someone letting me know MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #19 ?

The far side of my instrument panel was scuffed when the previous owner
dumped the bike. Same is true for one of the turn signals.

Both of the scuffed areas are black plastic.

I recall reading somewhere, that there was some plastic compound you could coat
the scuffed areas with, then rub it down, ending with a nice smooth shiny 
finish ?

Anyone any ideas.

thanks

tony
--
Tony Jones (ant@cray.com, ..!uunet!cray!ant)
CMCS Codegeneration Group, Software Division
Cray Research Inc, 655F Lone Oak Drive, Eagan, MN 55121

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104415
From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck)
Subject: Re: edu breaths

In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>|
>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike
>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders. 
>
>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals.  I
>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of "cruiser" 
>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but.

Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference
between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals.
Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders
(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded. 
To NOT RECOGNIZE this, is in effect, close-minded.

>
>|A lot of it, reminded me of rec.motorcycles and the insipid flame-age thereof..
>
>If you so dislike it, my occasionally leather-clad poser pal, why read it?

I scan it for information, a lot of it is NOISE and pointless flame-age.
(it's why I used trn, instead of rn)

If you have a problem with that, I'm really sorry for you..




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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104416
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: edu breaths

In article <1993Apr15.214910.5676@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
|In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
|>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
|>|
|>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike
|>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders. 
|>
|>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals.  I
|>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of "cruiser" 
|>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but.
|
|Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference
|between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals.

Yes, yes, yes.  Motorcycling is slightly different to each and every one of us.  This
is the nature of people, and one of the beauties of the sport.  

|Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders
|(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded. 

And what view exactly is it that every single rider of cruiser bikes holds, a veiw
that, of course, no sport-bike rider could possibly hold?  Please quantify your
generalization for us.  Careful, now, you're trying to pigeonhole a WHOLE bunch
of people.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104417
From: pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1993Apr14.175856.26051@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>[...] On a
>waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on
>a motorcycle,

I don't think this is the case, at least not on all jetskis.  On my
friend's jetski, bars turn left to go left.  Anyway, all you're doing
there is changing the yaw of the jets, so the relationship between
the handlbars and the rear-mounted jets is completely arbitrary
(simple linkage could make it work either way).

>so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the
>centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for
>gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*.

It seems to me that jetskis are even more irrelevant to this discussion
than snow skis.  But it *has* been an amusing digression.

Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins
left to go left?  :-)  Or am I confusing two threads here?


Phil Stone            NEW ADDRESS----------> pstone@well.sf.ca.us
'83 R80ST                                      "Motorcycles OK"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104418
From: jfriedl+@RI.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc

egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
|> In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
|> >Ultra sticky labels printed with your
|> >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of
|> >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage.
|> 
|> An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
|> thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."  A friend
|> damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
|> the sticker.  I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they
|> were assuming by pulling that stunt.

(not that logic has anything to do with it, but...)
I can see the liability of putting stickers on the car while it was moving,
or something, but it's the BDI that chooses to start and then drive the car
in a known unsafe condition that would (seem to be) liable. Furthermore, they
would have had the last chance to avoid an unsafe situation, which is an
additional factor in attributing "blame".

Anyway, stickers on the window are less effective... no one has any problem
taking a blade to a window to remove a stubborn sticker, but it's a different
story with that that nice paint job on the door....

	*jeff*
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey E.F. Friedl     Omron Corporation, Nagaokakyo (Kyoto), Japan
jfriedl@omron.co.jp, jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu   [ DoD##4  N8XBK  CBR250R ]
Visiting researcher to the Mach Project, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104419
From: wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c)
Subject: Splitfire Plugs...  Kinda Offical...


Yo, Whaz up!!!

Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs.  One
guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell.  Well,
I saw one think that someone said about "Show me a team that used Split-
fires...."  Well, here's some additional insight and some theories
about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages.

Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and
increased power for the 4x4 cages.  Well, for these guys, splitfires
increased performance by increasing TORQUE.  They weren't focusing
on horsepower numbers.

Now how does this related to us high performance pilots?  Well, that
depends.  Do you pilot a high performance 2- or 4-cylinder machine?
In the case of 4-cylinders, splitfires would increase overall torque,
but 4's make more top end horsepower with its torque packed down low.
So for 4's, splitfires would not significantly increase power.

But what about twins?...  Many of you 4 guys laugh at some of us twins,
but many times we carry less weight which sometimes can make up for
the hp loss (see Doug Polen vs. Scott Russell, Daytona 1992).  However,
twins make more torque thoughout their powerbands.   So how does this
translate?  Increased torque should "theoretically" help twins make
more power.  Splitfire claims that there should be not extra mods
or anything made, just stick 'em in.

Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with
somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than
4's.        

As far as racing teams....  Ducati team "Fast by Ferraci" used
splitfires in the 1989 season (this is when they had Jamie James
running for em), but I don't know why they stopped since then.
Also, somebody check to see if they had them in 88.....

Peace.

Warren
wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Have Suzuki, will travel..."

At a local "fix-er-up-er" shop, the bike repairest looked at a
dumped ZX-7.  Then he asked the guy...

"What happened..."   "I dumped the clutch..."
"How fast..."        "Pretty fast..."
"Insurance..."       "Nope."

The fixer smiled.....

"What do you know about bikes?"   "Not much....."
 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104420
From: M. Burnham <markb@wc.novell.com>
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

In article <RMUGELE.93Apr15135857@oasun1.oracle.com> Robert Mugele,
rmugele@oracle.com writes:
>Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S.  Then the cager will pull a gun
>and blow you away.

Well, I would guess the probability of a BMW driver having a gun would
be lower than some other vehicles.  At least, I would be more likely 
to say something to someone in a luxosedan, than a hopped-up pickup
truck, for example.

- Mark

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Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966  DoD#0747 
Alfa Romeo GTV-6                             '90 Ninja 750
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104421
From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!

In article <1993Apr14.133413.1499@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <bethdC5G0H6.I48@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>Bzzzzt.  It was me.  Until I discovered my SR250 Touring Bike has a
>>nifty little cache on it for things like coins or lipstick.  The
>>new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>>in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
>
>	Am I the only denizen who thinks that the Natural Look is the best
>look?  The thought of kissing that waxy shit smeared all over a woman's lips
>is a definite turn-off...
So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the "natural look" or
the "waxy shit" category?  I wear something on my lips to keep them from
drying out.  Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either.

>	Not that I'll ever be kissing Beth or Noemi... ;-)
Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't!  Noemi speaks for
herself.

Beth

=================================================================
Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
                                                        -- ZZ Top
=================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104422
From: kristyn@netcom.com (Kristyn Geenwood)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!


In article <9426.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or
>something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the
>approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target,
>then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it
>didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my
>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
>the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to
>harm.
>

   Stuff deleted
>
>Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
>KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
>DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
>ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .
>
>
  I sure hope you got the cost of a replacement panel out of the owner. Here if
the owner should seem reluctant, a stop by the local SPCA (preferably with your
foot/leg all swollen up) to file a viscious dog report would do the trick.

-g.

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Glenn Schmall - astroid@armory.com   | Do not cross the oncoming lanes of 
R65 from hell - beaming to cafe near | death that are californias highways.
you! Yeah I got a DOD#, so what?     | -SJ Mercury News
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104423
From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!)

In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes:
>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote:
>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>: in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
>
>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried
>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too
>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any 
>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy
>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that
>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly,
>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any?

I was very lucky I found a jacket I liked that actually _fits_.
HG makes the v-pilot jackets, mine is a very similar style made
by Just Leather in San Jose. I bought one of the last two they
ever made.

Finding decent womens motorcycling gear is not easy.  There is a lot
of stuff out there that's fringed everywhere, made of fashion leather,
made to fit men, etc.  I don't know of a shop in your area.  There
are some women rider friendly places in the San Francisco/San Jose
area, but I don't recommend buying clothing mail order.  Too hard
to tell if it'll fit.  Bates custom makes leathers.  You might want
to call them (they're in L.A.) and get a cost estimate for the type
of jacket your wife is interested in.  Large manufacturers like
BMW and H.G. sell women's lines of clothing of decent quality, but
fit is iffy.

A while ago, Noemi and Lisa Sieverts were talking about starting
a business doing just this sort of thing.  Don't know what they
finally decided.

Beth

=================================================================
Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
                                                        -- ZZ Top
=================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104424
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk>
 nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 08:54:34 GMT

>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).

>Did I do the right thing?

It works for me. I avoid obscenities, and try to remain calm cool and 
collected, and try something like, "You almost just killed me, and I'm not 
moving until you apologize." or something more or less benign like that. I 
haven't been shot a single time, but I don't do it in Texas, and I do only 
do it when there are plenty of witnesses around.

Steve
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104425
From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: KREME

Hi folks!		

Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only	
one man's opinion.  	

Any one else have any experience with the stuff?	



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104426
From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?

Request for opinions:	

Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?


We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the 
1-pc is better protection,..."	

Thanks in advance,
Nadine


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104427
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>
 egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
>crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
>primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
>spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
>small one).

So what should I carry if I want to comply with intelligent helmet laws?

(The above comment in no way implies support for any helmet law, nor should 
such support be inferred. A promise is a promise.)

Steve
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104428
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
|hello there
|ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
|comment on its handling .

  Depends on in what context you want it commented on.  It handles great
compared to some bikes, not so good compared to others.  What would you like
it compared to?  (Yes, I've put a few miles on one, although I've never owned
one).

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

       "But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104429
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
|In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|> 
|> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for 
|>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church 
|>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just 
|>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I 
|>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely 
|>passenger? 
|
|If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
|crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
|primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
|spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
|small one).

  Well, you can accomplish both goals, actually, if you have a definite
physical type in mind when you go to these (cough) church meetings..  If
your tastes tend to smaller, more petite (cough) churchgoers, it is more
likely that they will have a smaller head, and you can safely get a medium
or small helmet.

  This works for me, and I traded my spare large helmet with my best friend,
who, at 6'9", tends to look more for women that are over 6'0", and can't
usually fit into the medium size helmet he previously had...

  Of course, if you aren't picky what size (*cough*) churchgoers you give
helpful motorcycle rides to, then Ed's advice will hopefully cover any
eventuality as far as legality is concerned, and a spare handtowel in the
tankbag makes acceptable padding so the passenger can see out of the viewport
(rather than the padding above the viewport) in the cases of extreme mismatch.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

       "But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104430
From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted

In article <C5I2HM.JwC@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote:
>& 
>& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which
>& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less
>& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction
>
>The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which
>means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less
>power.  And less brakes.
Bzzzt.  The 750SS is 40 pounds lighter than the 900SS.  I personally,
and recently, witnessed my 750SS do a stoppie with a larger-than-
average rider aboard.  He said it took two fingers on that measely
single front disk to accomplish the task.  How much more brake do
you need?

>As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will 
>still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are
>very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the 
>annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect.
I haven't gone over 4000 rpm yet (still in break in) and haven't
had a problem with the 750SS being too slow.  The limited steering
lock can be a problem if you aren't prepared for it.  The mirrors
are very good, IMHO.  Someone forgot to tell their designer about
the "whazza behind you, she no matta" philosophy.

>Hewlett Packard             (707) 794-3844 fax,  (707) 538-3693 home
>1212 Valley House Drive     IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510
Hmmmm.  I don't see a 400, 750 _or_ 900SS in your .sig.  Did I miss
something?

Beth

=================================================================
Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
                                                        -- ZZ Top
=================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104431
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Subject: Re: Choking Ninja Problem

starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
: I need help with my '85 ZX900A, I put Supertrapp slip-on's on it and
: had the carbs re-jetted to match a set of K&N filters that replaced
: the stock airbox.  

	Ahh, and just how were the carbs rejeted to "match" the changes
you made to the bike? A stage three kit from K/N or Dynojet?

: Now I have a huge flat spot in the carburation at : about 5 thousand RPM
in most any gear. 
	
	Isn't rejetting fun? 

: This is especially frustrating
: on the highway, the bike likes to cruise at about 80mph which happens
: to be 5,0000 RPM in sixth gear.  I've had it "tuned" and this doesn't
: seem to help.  I am thinking about new carbs or the injection system
: from a GPz 1100.  Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix besides
: restoring it to stock?
: 

	New CARBS??? Why would that fix it? you still have to get the 
jetting right to match what seems to be a extremely overly lean condition.
You added a more free flowing exhaust, and then higher flowing filters. 
Chances are it's to lean. BUT! This may not be,that's the big fun with 
carb tuning. It's _very_ tricky. 

	Your one and only choice (unless you want to spend many hours
fiddling with the carbs) is to take it to a guy witha  Dyno and have he
tune the carbs for your current set up. Otherwise you'll be playing
a guessing game for a long time...

 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                  AFM #422                              DoD #683 

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours  *  1989 Ninja 250 
       
      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================





Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104432
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Subject: Re: Long lasting tires for small bike.

wsh8z@amsun29.apma.Virginia.EDU (Will Heyman) writes:
: no rear tires as small as 110/90. There are some fronts though.

	So get a 120/90 instead. Is there anything that size? 

: Any other recomendations?
: 
	Call the tire companies yourself and tell them what you have. 
They can make recomendations for you. That's your best bet. Check a biker
magazine (Cycle World etc) for phone numbers. 
It's possible there are no other tires available though. 

 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                  AFM #422                              DoD #683 

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours  *  1989 Ninja 250 
       
      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104433
From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck)
Subject: Re: edu breaths

In article <1993Apr15.221024.5926@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.214910.5676@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>|In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>|>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>|>|
>|>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike
>|>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders. 
>|>
>|>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals.  I
>|>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of "cruiser" 
>|>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but.
>|
>|Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference
>|between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals.
>
>Yes, yes, yes.  Motorcycling is slightly different to each and every one of us.  This
>is the nature of people, and one of the beauties of the sport.  
>
>|Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders
>|(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded. 
>
>And what view exactly is it that every single rider of cruiser bikes holds, a veiw
>that, of course, no sport-bike rider could possibly hold?  Please quantify your
>generalization for us.  Careful, now, you're trying to pigeonhole a WHOLE bunch
>of people.
>
That plastic bodywork is useless. That torque, and an upright riding position is
better than a slightly or radically forward riding position combined with a high-rpm
low torque motor.

To a cruiser-motorcyclist, chrome has some importance. To sport-bike motorcyclists
chrome has very little impact on buying choice.

Unless motivated solely by price, these are the criteria each rider uses to select
the vehicle of choice. 

To ignore these, as well as other criteria, would be insensitive. In other words,
no one motorcycle can fufill the requirements that a sport-bike rider and a cruiser
rider may have.(sometimes it's hard for *any* motorcycle to fufill a person's requirements)
  
You're fishing for flames, Dave.

This difference of opinion is analogous to the difference
between Sports-car owners, and luxury-car owners. 

This is a moot conversation.


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104434
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike

In article <1qkhrm$7go@agate.berkeley.edu> manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
>
>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?
>
>I remember a thread on shipping.  If someone saved the instructions
>on bike prep, please post 'em again, or email.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Manish

Step 1) Join the AMA (American Motorcycling Association).  Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN.

Step 2) After you become a member, they will ship your bike, UNCRATED to 
just about anywhere across the fruited plain for a few hundred bucks.

I have used this service and have been continually pleased.  They usually
only take a few days for the whole thing, and you do not have to prepare
the bike in any way (other than draining the gas).  Not to mention that
it is about 25% of the normal shipping costs (by the time you crate a bike
and ship it with another company, you can pay around $1000)


________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn                     DoD#6425                      AMA#679817
                  '88CBR1000              '89CBR600
                       coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
________________________________________________________________________



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104435
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

In article <C5Joz9.HLn@cup.hp.com> Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> writes:
>Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote:
>: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
>: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
>: down a rathole.
>
>[...] i'm going to
>let my current membership lapse when it's
>up for renewal.
>
>-- hesh

In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any
hints on what will keep the organization in business that long.  (And
preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.)

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104436
From: jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?

In article <1993Apr8.202746.12159@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis
Jackson) wrote:
> 

> Good advice, of course. Thanks, Hesh. Time to go back for a Zen
> refresher course.
> 
> "Imagine you are a lily, gently floating in a still, darkened pool."

And some BDC in a Volvo comes careening off the freeway and lands on top of
you in said pool. You can't win.

jim

*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@apple.com        Jim Bob & Sons                 *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650         |    .signature remodling       *
* 1969 Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |     Low price$ Quality workman-     * 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104437
From: jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu (Opso Lopso)
Subject: need help getting saddle bags!!  

hey... I'm pretty new to the wonderful world of motorcycles... I just
bought
a used 81 Kaw KZ650 CSR from a friend.... I was just wondering what kind of

saddle bags I could get for it (since I know nothing about them)  are there
bags for the gas tank?  how much would some cost, and how much do they
hold?
thanks for your advice!!!  I may be new to riding, but I love it
already!!!!
:)


-----
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(DoD #55,555)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104438
From: montasmm@ntmtv.com (Medi Montaseri)
Subject: Saddle bags and helmets for sale...

I'm selling the following items...

	- a pair of hard saddle bags 
	- easy installation 
	- snap release feature with lock
	- black 
	- brand is Krusures

	- two oshi full face helmets

	take all for $275

These are comming off of my bike that I'm selling, maybe 
you could use the whole thing, bike and accessories.

	1983 Yamaha, vision 550 

	call Medi @ work (415) 940-2306
		    home (408) 744-1169

Thanks


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+-------------------------------------------------------+
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104439
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
From: dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales)

In article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>  
>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock 
> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...

CONGRAULATIONS !!!! Your helmet just passed the Snell Test.
 
>  So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and 
> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.

Oh well, as least it looks ok now. Still, it may not save your head as well
as before you dropped it.

Mike

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104440
From: gunning@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin J. Gunning)
Subject: stolen CBR900RR

Stolen from Pasadena between 4:30 and 6:30 pm on 4/15.

Blue and white Honda CBR900RR california plate KG CBR.   Serial number
JH2SC281XPM100187, engine number 2101240.

No turn signals or mirrors, lights taped over for track riders session
at Willow Springs tomorrow.  Guess I'll miss it.  :-(((

Help me find my baby!!!

kjg


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104441
From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike


>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?

I'd recommend that you hop on the back of it and cruise - that's a
really nice ride, if you choose your route with any care at all.
Shouldn't cost more than about $30 in gas, and maybe a night's motel
bill...

			       _MelloN_
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104442
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:

>............. Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards
>of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days.

I think you have to go a little further back.
This opinion comes from riding CB750's GS1000's KZ1300's and a V-Max.
I find no enjoyment in riding a V-Max fast on a twisty road.
-- 
 Clayton T. Brooks       _,,-^`--.   From the heart          cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
 722 POT U o'Ky    .__,-'    *    \   of the blue           cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
 Lex. KY 40506   _/              ,/    grass and   {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
 606-257-6807   (__,-----------''   bourbon country    AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104443
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

Can I resign BMW MOA and get the remainder of my 5-year membership refunded?


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104444
From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org> craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig)  
writes:
> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
> 
>  No anyone who is a "true" rider with the real riding
>  attitude will offer a wave, weather they are on a Harley
>  or on a Honda or some other bike, inless they have a
>  serious case of my bike is better than your and you're
>  too low to be acknowleged. This you'll find is the case
>  with most of the harley riders out here where I am,
>  however I still give them a wave, and ride secure in the
>  knowlege that I'm a better persob than they are.
                              ^^^^^^
                        perSOB, I kinda like that

Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley.
Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my
duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
other, from what I can tell.

--
Michael Manning
mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)

`92 FLSTF FatBoy
`92 Ducati 900SS


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104445
From: jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?

In article <1993Apr09.182821.28779@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan
E. Quist) wrote:
> 

> You could file a complaint for dangerous operation of a motor vehicle,
> and sign it.  Be willing to show up in court if it comes to it.

No... you can do this? Really? The other morning I went to do a lane change
on the freeway and looked in my mirror, theer was a car there, but far
enough behind. I looked again about 3-5 seconds later, car still in same
position, i.e. not accelerating. I triple check with a head turn and decide
I have plenty of room, so I do it, accelerating. I travel about 1/4 mile
staying ~200
feet off teh bumper of the car ahead, and I do a casual mirror check. This
guy is RIGHT on my tail, I mean you couldn't stick a hair between my tire &
his fender. I keep looking in the mirror at him a,d slowly let off teh
throttle. He stays there until I had lost about 15mph and then comes around
me and cuts me off big time. I follow him for about 10 miles and finally
get bored and turn back into work. 

I can file a complaint about this? And actually have the chance to have
something done? How? Who? Where?

jim

*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@apple.com        Jim Bob & Sons                 *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650         |    .signature remodling       *
* 1969 Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |     Low price$ Quality workman-     * 
* DoD #469               KotP(un) |               ship       * 
                                        Call today for free estimit

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104446
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)

In article <1993Apr15.215428.11116@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
>>( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. )  I should
>>be road legal tomorrow.  I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about 
>>the transmission and taking my chances.
>
>	There should be no worries about the trans.
>
>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
>>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
>
>	Does this count?

Yes.  He thought about it.
>
>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
>							 return...)
>
>Later,
>-- 
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
>Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
>agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104447
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike

In article <MELLON.93Apr15183059@pepper.ncd.com> mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon) writes:
>
>>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>>to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?
>
>I'd recommend that you hop on the back of it and cruise - that's a
>really nice ride, if you choose your route with any care at all.
>Shouldn't cost more than about $30 in gas, and maybe a night's motel
>bill...
>

Yes!  Up the coast, over to Portland, then up I-5.  Really nice most
of the way, and I'm sure there's even better ways.

Watch the weather, though... I got about as good a drenching as
possible in the Oregon coast range once... 


-- 
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Howard Berkey 						   howard@netcom.com
				 Help!
... .. ...   ... .. ...   ... .. ...    ... .. ...   ... .. ...   ... .. ...

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104448
From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Stolen  AARGHHHH.....

"dam9543" == dam9543  <dam9543@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> writes:


dam9543> 	I get back drom work today, look at me bike before
dam9543> proceding in-side.  I nearly shit, my new DRY RIDER cover is
dam9543> gone!  Barely two weeks old, and already gone, GOD-AM

Somebody stole my trashed old Honda red/white/blue cover off a
KZ440LTD in residential Palo Alto a couple of weeks ago.  The cover
had *holes* burnt in it around the exhaust, etc etc.  I figured it was
just kids, but maybe not...

-- 
jet@netcom.com -- J. Eric Townsend -- '92 R100R, DoD# (hafta kill you...)
This is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov
"You got to put down the ducky if you wanna play saxophone."
Skate UNIX or die, boyo.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104449
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)

Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the 
the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
(I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)

Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM.
-- 
 Clayton T. Brooks       _,,-^`--.   From the heart          cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
 722 POT U o'Ky    .__,-'    *    \   of the blue           cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
 Lex. KY 40506   _/              ,/    grass and   {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
 606-257-6807   (__,-----------''   bourbon country    AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104450
From: static@iat.holonet.net (Joe Ehrlich)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

Oh boy, a little K-bike versus /2 scuffling? Grow up! And that goes for
the both of you!

I do hope that the "dump dempster" campaign works however.
I think that he is a crook, and I am suprised that it has taken this long
for anything to be done (though obviously, it ain't over yet)
On the other hand, 
I'm not sure that I want to be in bed with ANY of the wackos running.
Throwing $20.oo down a rathole might be more effective than sending it in
to the club. You wouldn't get anything, but you don't get anything now.

The magazine you say? Ever since the MOA politburo installed Don it has
lacked any sort of panache it may have had. 

Ah, but what would I know? I own a /6 AND a K-bike


static
MOA 20297

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104451
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1993Apr15.200857.10631@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>
>So perhaps it is only *some* waterski bikes on which one countersteers...

A Sea Doo is a boat. It turns by changing the angle of the duct behind the
propeller. A waterski bike looks like a motorcycle but has a ski where each
wheel should be. Its handlebars are connected through a familiar looking
steering head to the front ski. It handles like a motorcycle.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104452
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!

In article <bethdC5JuL2.L9@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.133413.1499@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>In article <bethdC5G0H6.I48@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>>Bzzzzt.  It was me.  Until I discovered my SR250 Touring Bike has a
>>>nifty little cache on it for things like coins or lipstick.  The
>>>new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>>>in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
>>
>>	Am I the only denizen who thinks that the Natural Look is the best
>>look?  The thought of kissing that waxy shit smeared all over a woman's lips
>>is a definite turn-off...
>So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the "natural look" or
>the "waxy shit" category?  I wear something on my lips to keep them from
>drying out.  Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either.

	Agreed, but, yes, chapstick fits under the "waxy shit" category,
although I've noticed that stealing Annette's chapstick (after she's
applied it :-) kept my lips from cracking this past winter like they have
in all previous winters.  Sigh...the price I must pay...

>>	Not that I'll ever be kissing Beth or Noemi... ;-)
>Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't!  Noemi speaks for
>herself.

	So does my darling Annette (okay, I guess you can ready the
barf bags now :-)

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104453
From: garym@cycle.mentorg.com (Gary Myron)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike

> Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
> to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?

I shipped my K75S from Portland Oregon to Daytona for this years
bike week (I rode it back!).  The company I used is The Federal Co's.
You can reach them at 1-800-747-4100 ex 214.  You either have to be
a AMA member, or maybe it is just a discount for AMA, not sure.
(Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN to become an AMA member)

The shipping cost is based on the number of miles.  It cost me about $500
for Portland to Orlando.  $80 of that was insurance.  All I had to do is
ride it to the shipping dock and siphon the gas out.  I think they can
also pick up the bike from any business.  The bike arrived on-time at
Orlando.  All I had to do was adjust the mirrors and add gas.  The bike
was in perfect shape!

--Gary



 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104454
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impac
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca

cooper@mprgate.mpr.ca (Greg Cooper) writes:

> In article <1qeftj$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - 
> >In article sda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturde
> >>
> >>	Only exceptional ones like me. Average ones like you can barely fart
> >>by themselves.
> >
> >Fuck you very much, Mike.
> >
> 
> Gentlemen _please_. 
> -- 


Greg's obviously confused. There aren't many (any) gentlemen on this 
newsgroup. Well, maybe. One or two.


Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | If Lucas built weapons, wars
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | would never start, either.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104455
From: C70A000 <C70A@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Recommendation for a front tire.

In article <1qfkqhINN1s7@rodan.UU.NET> smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes:
>Yes, my front tire is all but dead.  It has minimal tread left, so it's
>time for a new one.  Any recommendations on a good tire in front?  I'm
>riding on an almost brand new ME55A in back.

 Stick an ME33 on the front.  I've got a Laser on the front of my GPz,
and it has been a fantastic tire.  Best front tire I've ever had.

 +------------------------------------------------------------------+
 |      Graeme Weir   DoD #9191   Fido 1:255/14.4  C70A@UNB.CA      |
 |       University of New Brunswick, Fredericton, NB, Canada       |
 |             Damn the box jockeys!  FULL SPEED AHEAD!             |
 |                  Live to Flame -- Flame to Live                  |
 |      '84 GPz 1100, '76 KZ900, '76 KZ750, '91 Trek 8000 MTB       |
 +------------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104456
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: LONG TRIPS

In article <18859.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mark.harrison@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Harrison) writes:
>I am new to motorcycliing (i.e. Don't even have a bike yet) and will be
>going on a long trip from Edmonton to Vancouver. Any tips on bare
>essentials for the trip? Tools, clothing, emergency repairs...?

Er, without a bike (Ed, maybe you ought to respond to this...), how
you gonna get there?

If yer going by cage, what's this got to do with r.m?

>
>I am also in the market for a used cycle. Any tips on what to look for
>so I don't get burnt?
>
>Much appreciated
>Mark
>                                                                 

Maybe somebody oughta gang-tool-FAQ this guy, hmmm?



-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104457
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:

>Did I do the right thing?

Denmark, eh?  Should have taken a short sword and cleaved his car
in half.  Since I assume you didn't have a short sword on you,
I certainly have no problems with your choice of substitute action.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104458
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:

>Riding up the hill leading to my
>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
>the Spagthorpe Viking).

	I must have missed the article on the Spagthorpe Viking.  Was
that the one with the little illuminated Dragon's Head on the front
fender, a style later copied by Indian, and the round side covers?

[accident deleted]

>What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have
>prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not
>necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was
>riding around the speed limit.

	You can forget this line of reasoning.  When an animal
decides to take you, there's nothing you can do about it.  It has
something to do with their genetics.  I was putting along at a
mere 20mph or so, gravel road with few loose rocks on it (as in,
just like bad concrete), and 2200lbs of swinging beef jumped a
fence, came out of the ditch, and rammed me!  When I saw her jump
the fence I went for the gas, since she was about 20 feet ahead
of me but a good forty to the side.  Damn cow literally chased me
down and nailed me.  No damage to cow, a bent case guard and a
severely annoyed rider were the only casualties.  If I had my
shotgun I'd still be eating steak.  Nope, if 2200lbs of cow
can hit me when I'm actively evading, forget a much more
manueverable dog.  Just run them over.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104459
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Flashing anyone?

behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:

>>Just before arriving at a toll booth I
>>switch the hazards on.  I do thisto warn other motorists that I will
>>be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.
>>My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?

>	This sounds like a VERY good thing to do.

	I'll second that.  In addition, I find my hazards to be more
often used than my horn.  At speeds below 40mph on the interstates,
quite common in mountains with trucks, some states require flashers.
In rural areas, flashers let the guy behind you know there is a tractor
with a rather large implement behind it in the way.  Use them whenever 
you need to communicate that things will deviate from the norm.  

>-- 
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
>Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name

	Is that ZX-11 painted green?  Since the green Triumph 650 that
a friend owned was sold off, her name is now free for adoption.  How
does the name "Thunderpickle" grab you?

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104460
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:

>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .

	The V-max goes in a strait line like shit shrough a goose.
In the corners, I'd rather ride a Honda 305 Dream.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104461
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f

In article <txd.734810267@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
>>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:

[lots of things, none of which are quoted here]

>>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
>>>  You think your *average* dirt biker can jump
>>>a 3 foot log? 
>
>How about an 18" log that is suspended about 18" off of the ground?
>For that matter, how about a 4" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the
>ground?

Oh, ye of little imagination.

You don't jump over those - that's where you lay the bike down and slide under!
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104462
From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy)
Subject: Battery storage -- why not charge and store dry?

So it looks like I'm going to have to put a couple of bikes in storage
for a few months, starting several months from now, and I'm already
contemplating how to do it so they're as easy to get going again as
possible. I have everything under control, I think, besides the
batteries. I know that if I buy a $50.00 Battery Tender for each one
and leave them plugged in the whole time the bikes are in storage,
they'll be fine. But I'm not sure that's necessary. I've never heard
anyone discussing this idea, so maybe there's some reason why it isn't
so great. But maybe someone can tell me.

Would it be a mistake to fully charge the batteries, drain the
electrolyte into separate containers (one for each battery), seal the
container, close up the batteries, and leave them that way? Then it
would seem that when the bikes come out of storage, I could put the
electrolyte back in the batteries and they should still be fully
charged. What's wrong with this?

On a related, but different note for you Bay Area Denizens, wasn't
there someone who had a bunch of spare EDTA a few months back? Who was
it? Is there still any of it left?

Thanks for any and all help!

	-- Robert

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104463
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

In article <1993Apr14.215154.20143@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.144151.11137@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>>(Sorry, I lost the attributions.
>>|In most areas, drivers are required to show proof of financial 
>>|responsibility, which usually means insurance. 
>>
>>Required how?  When they get pulled over?  Most drivers, bellyaching on the
>>net aside, don't get pulled over and checked.  The laws are enforceable
>>only after the fact, in which case often somebody is out a lot of money.
>
>Don't you have any requirement for yearly plate stickers in the US???? In
>Ontario and Manitoba for sure and the other provinces (i think) you have
>to show proof of insurnace when you renew your plate (ie get a new sticker).

Yes.  Unfortunately, there is also the concept that the owner of a car
is not responsible for the actions of any (authorized) user of the car.
That's one of the biggest arguments against photo-radar ticketing
systems.

>You also get to pay all outstanding tickets. They even have cross province
>agreements (at least between Ontario and Quebec) so that unpaid tickets in
>the other province are on record. No having an up to date sticker is a) bad

Trouble with that is, you then have no recourse if a mis-issued ticket
or a clerical error on a computer follow you around.  The City of Chicago
(the informal motto of which being "The City the Works") issues dozens
of parking tickets each year to people who have never set foot (or tire)
in the city.

-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104464
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

Saw this in today's newspaper:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
FORTUNE-GUZZLER BARRED FROM BARS
--------------------------------
Barnstaple, England/Reuter

	A motorcyclist said to have drunk away a $290,000 insurance payment in
less than 10 years was banned Wednesday from every pub in England and Wales.

	David Roberts, 29, had been awarded the cash in compensation for
losing a leg in a motorcycle accident. He spent virtually all of it on cider, a
court in Barnstaple in southwest England was told.

	Judge Malcolm Coterill banned Roberts from all bars in England and
Wales for 12 months and put on two years' probation after he started a brawl in
a pub.

-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104465
From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy)
Subject: Solar battery chargers -- any good?

I've seen solar battery boosters, and they seem to come without any
guarantee. On the other hand, I've heard that some people use them
with success, although I have yet to communicate directly with such a
person. Have you tried one? What was your experience? How did you use
it (occasional charging, long-term leave-it-for-weeks, etc.)?

	-- Robert Kennedy

Robert Kennedy					(415) 723-4532 (office)
robert@cs.stanford.edu				(415) 322-7367 (home voice)
Computer Science Dept., Stanford University	(415) 322-7329 (home tty)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104466
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Please Gentlemen

In article <5036@cvbnetPrime.COM> tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
>In article <18843.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> grant.barkwell@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Grant Barkwell) writes:
>>
>>CP>Too my certain knowledge, simply posessing a motorcycle
>>CP>can get you "laid".
>>
>>True! Oh so very thankfully true!
>
>Gentlemen;
>
>	Please do us all a rather appropriate favor and excuse the
>comments about your sexual fortunes on the net. It is hardly an

Tod, I think you've misspoke.  If they're banking on owning a motorcycle
to get them laid, then I doubt they have sexual fortunes.  Quite the
reverse...
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104467
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

In article <1993Apr15.071740.17850@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>BA were trying to sell RR to BMW - even tested a BMW V16 in a Corniche!! I
>think it will remain British for the time being - until BA get hard up 
>anyway!

Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?

Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104468
From: tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die


 In article <1qc2fu$c1r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
 >Loud pipes are a biligerent exercise in ego projection,

No arguements following, just the facts.

I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my
*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention.

I instinctively revved my engine before I went for my horn. Don't know
why, but I did it and it worked. Thats rather important.

I am not saying "the louder the pipes the better". My Harley is loud
and it gets me noticed on the road for that reason. I personally do
not feel it is to loud. If you do, well thats to bad; welcome to 
America - "Home of the Free, Land of the Atlanta Braves".

If you really want a fine tuned machine like our federal government
to get involved and pass Db restrictions; it should be generous
enough so that a move like revving your engine will get you noticed.
Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
how long it would take me to push my horn button??

And aren't you the guy that doesn't even have a bike???

Tod J. Johnson
DoD #883
"Go Slow, Take Geritol"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104469
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com> fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) writes:
>Lets get this "No Fault" stuff straight, I lived in NJ
>when NF started, my rates went up, ALOT. Moved to PA
>and my rates went down ALOT, the NF came to PA and it
>was a different story. If you are sitting in a parking
>lot having lunch or whatever and someone wacks you guess
>whose insurance pays for it ? give up ?  YOURS.

Only if you have a weeny insurance company. Unless it's
some stupid PA law.  I know that if some jerk hits me while 
I'm in a parking lot, if my insruance company doesn't sue
his (or his doesn't immediately say, 'Yes, it's his fault')
I'll sure him myself and tell my insurance company to go to
hell if they raise my rates.



-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104470
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc

In article <1qjmf6$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
>>
>>Ultra sticky labels printed with your
>>favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of
>>wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage.
>
>An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."  A friend
>damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
>the sticker.  I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they
>were assuming by pulling that stunt.  She claimed it was the driver who
>was at fault for illegally parking in the first place.  That would
>probably be good for a laugh or two in court, before they found her
>liable for $Serious.
>
>Be careful about putting stickers on cages' windows.

Yeah, make darn sure you cover all the glass, so the driver can't
reasonably expect to be able to drive with the things on the car.


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104471
From: mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>Saw this in today's newspaper:
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>FORTUNE-GUZZLER BARRED FROM BARS
>--------------------------------
>Barnstaple, England/Reuter
>
>	A motorcyclist said to have drunk away a $290,000 insurance payment in
>less than 10 years was banned Wednesday from every pub in England and Wales.
>
>	David Roberts, 29, had been awarded the cash in compensation for
>losing a leg in a motorcycle accident. He spent virtually all of it on cider, a
>court in Barnstaple in southwest England was told.
>
>	Judge Malcolm Coterill banned Roberts from all bars in England and
>Wales for 12 months and put on two years' probation after he started a brawl in
>a pub.

	Is there no JUSTICE?!

	If I lost my leg when I was 19, and had to give up motorcycling
(assuming David didn't know that it can be done one-legged,) I too would want
to get swamped.... maybe even for ten years!  I'll admit, I'd probably prefer
homebrew to pubbrew, but still...

	Judge Coterill is in some serious trouble, I can tell you that.  Any
chance you can get to him and convince him his ruling was backward, Nick?

	Perhaps the lad deserved something for starting a brawl (bad form...
horribly bad form,) but for getting drunk?  That, I thought, was ones natural
born right!  And for spending his own money?  My goodness, who cares what one
does with one's own moolah, even if one spends it recklessly?

	I'm ashamed of humanity.

	Matt Block                  &         Koch
	DoD#      #007			1980 Honda CB650

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104472
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

In article <1993Apr15.065731.23557@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:

     [riveting BMWMOA election soap-opera details deleted]

>Well, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of alternative candidates.
>Obviously you're not voting for Mr. Vechorik, but what about the
>others?

I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.

Ride safe,
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II (Tem)       |
|                                                                          |
|               This bike is in excellent condition.                       |
|               I've done all the work on it myself.                       |
|                                                                          |
|                     -- Glen "CRASH" Stone                                |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104473
From: kirjy@strix.udac.uu.se (Jonathan Yuen)
Subject: Re: European M/C Insurance

I moved to Sweden and I have to take all the tests again (written and
road) even though I had a valid US license for 12 some years...
Of course I became a resident, and could drive on my US license until
I became resident.  Don't know about Italy, it's different in the EEC.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104474
From: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier)
Subject: Re: Camping question?

In article 10823@bnr.ca,  npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:

>
>Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up
>water from a 12V source.  It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my
>RD350B.  It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs 
>above 7000.  Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement.

On my LC (RZ to any ex-colonists) I replaced the bolt at the bottom of the barrel
with a tap. When I wanted a coffee I could just rev the engine until boiling
and pour out a cup of hot water.
I used ethylene glycol as antifreeze rather than methanol as it tastes sweeter.

(-:

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104475
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?

In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Request for opinions:	
>
>Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?
>
>
>We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the 
>1-pc is better protection,..."	
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Nadine

I would be scared of trying to fit the one piece.  When I got my
two piece, I got the jacket in 42 and the pants in 40 (just due
to my manly-man of an athletic build, kind of thing)  No laughing,
please.  Seriously, I'm not trim and the 42 pants would have
been way too big.  Also, I don't think the 1 piece does provide
better protection.  If I'm wrong, I'll be swiftly if ever so gently
correct by the net.pansies.of.knowledge (as they like to call themselves).

Regards
Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104476
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:

>mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>mjs>Also, IMHO, telling newbies about countersteering is, er, counter-productive
>mjs>cos it just confuses them. I rode around quite happily for 10 years 
>mjs>knowing nothing about countersteering. I cannot say I ride any differently
>mjs>now that I know about it.

>I interpret this to mean that you're representative of every other
>motorcyclist in the world, eh Mike?  Rather presumptive of you!

IMHO = in my humble opinion!!

>leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
>leavitt>The time to learn countersteering techniques is when you are first
>leavitt>starting to learn, before you develop any bad habits.  I rode for
>leavitt>five years before taking my first course (MSF ERC) and learning
>leavitt>about how to countersteer.  It's now eight years later, and I *still*
>leavitt>have to consciously tell myself "Don't steer, COUNTERsteer!"  Old
>leavitt>habits die hard, and bad habits even harder.

>mjs>Sorry Bill, but this is complete bollocks. You learned how to countersteer 
>mjs>the first time you rode the bike, it's natural and intuitive. 

>Sorry Mike, I'm not going to kick over the "can you _not_ countersteer
>over 5mph?" stone.  That one's been kicked around enough.  For the sake of
>argument, I'll concede that it's countersteering (sake of argument only).

>mjs>MSF did not teach you *how* to countersteer, it only told you what
>mjs>you were already doing.

>And there's no value in that? 


I didn't say there was no value - all I said was that it is very confusing
to newbies. 

> There's a BIG difference in: 1) knowing
>what's happening and how to make it do it, especially in the extreme
>case of an emergency swerve, and: 2) just letting the bike do whatever
>it does to make itself turn.  Once I knew precisely what was happening
>and how to make it do it abruptly and on command, my emergency avoidance
>abilities improved tenfold, not to mention a big improvement in my normal
>cornering ability.  I am much more proficient "knowing" how to countersteer
>the motorcycle rather than letting the motorcycle steer itself.  That is,
>when I *remember* to take cognitive command of the bike rather than letting
>it run itself through the corners.  Whereupon I return to my original
>comment - better to learn what's happening right from the start and how
>to take charge of it, rather than developing the bad habit of merely going
>along for the ride.

Bill, you are kidding yourself here. Firstly, motorcycles do not steer
themselves - only the rider can do that. Secondly, it is the adhesion of the
tyre on the road, the suspension geometry  and the ground clearance of the
 motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and
not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously
suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster
or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise??


>Mike, I'm extremely gratified for you that you have such a natural
>affinity and prowess for motorcycling that formal training was a total
>waste of time for you (assuming your total "training" hasn't come from
>simply from reading rec.motorcycles).  However, 90%+ of the motorcyclists
>I've discussed formal rider education with have regarded the experience
>as overwhelmingly positive.  This regardless of the amount of experience
>they brought into the course (ranging from 10 minutes to 10+ years).

Formal training in this country (as far as I am aware) does not include
countersteering theory.  I found out about countersteering about six years ago,
from a physics lecturer who was also a motorcyclist. I didn't believe him
at first when he said I steered my bike to the right to make it turn left,
but I went out and analysed closely what I was doing, and realized he was 
right! It's an interesting bit of knowledge, and I've had a lot of fun since
then telling others about it, who were at first as sceptical as I was. But
that's all it is - an interesting bit of knowledge, and to claim that
it is essential for all bikers to know it, or that you can corner faster
or better as a result, is absurd.

Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to
be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering
theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.
And that was my original point.

Mike

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104477
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

>Norman Hamer (maven@eskimo.com) wrote:
> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling?  A couple of hours
> after you "feel" sober, or what?  Should I just work with "If I drink 
> tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow"?

I generally find that after two or three decent hits of nitrous, my riding
improves enormously.  Drinking is silly, your breath smells, it costs lots
of money and the pigs can detect it with their machines.  NO2 works for me,
try it.


Nick (the like wow, um, far out, er, Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise um errr....

M'like um, er Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `  .` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	      . 
   _ _	     . 	_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104478
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Where's The Oil on my K75 Going?

In article <C5DLvo.6J@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes:
>
>  After both oil changes, the oil level was at the top mark in the
>window on the lower right side of the motor, but I've been noticing
>that the oil level seen in the window gradually decreases over the
>miles.  I'm always checking the window with the bike on level ground
>and after it has sat idle for awhile, so the oil has a chance to drain
>back into the pan.  The bike isn't leaking oil any place, and I don't
>see any smoke coming out of the exhaust.
>
>  My owner's manual says the amount of oil corresponding to the
>high and low marks in the oil level window is approx. .5 quart.  It
>looks like my bike has been using about .25 quarts/1000 miles.  The
>owner's manual also gives a figure for max. oil consumption of about
>.08oz/mile or .15L/100km.
>
>  My question is whether the degree of "oil consumption" I'm seeing on
>my bike is normal?  Have any other K75 owners seen their oil level
>gradually and consistently go down?  Should I take the bike in for
>work?  I'm asking local guys also, to get as many data points as I
>can.  


It's normal for the BMW K bikes to use a little oil in the first few thousand 
miles.  I don't know why.  I've had three new K bikes, and all three used a
bit of oil when new - max maybe .4 quart in first 1000 miles; this soon quits
and by the time I had 10,000 miles on them the oil consumption was about zero.
I've been told that the harder you run the bike (within reason) the sooner
it stops using any oil.


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  KotdohL  KotWitDoDL  1KSPI=22.85
  DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
              BMW K1100-LT,  R80-GS/PD,  R27,  Triumph TR6 
                          Columbus, Ohio USA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104479
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Internet Discussion List

In article <1qc5f0$3ad@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> bparker@uafhp..uark.edu (Brian Parker) writes:
>  Hello world of Motorcyles lovers/soon-to-be-lovers!
>I have started a discussion list on the internet for people interested in
>talking Bikes!  We discuss anything and everything.  If you are interested in
>joining, drop me a line.  Since it really isn't a 'list', what we do is if you 
>have a post, you send it to me and I distribute it to everyone.  C'mon...join
>and enjoy!

Huh?    Did this guy just invent wreck.motorcycles?

	Curious minds want to know.


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  KotdohL  KotWitDoDL  1KSPI=22.85
  DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
              BMW K1100-LT,  R80-GS/PD,  R27,  Triumph TR6 
                          Columbus, Ohio USA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104480
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Internet Discussion List

In article <1qc5f0$3ad@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> bparker@uafhp..uark.edu (Brian Parker) writes:
>  Hello world of Motorcyles lovers/soon-to-be-lovers!
>I have started a discussion list on the internet for people interested in
>talking Bikes!  We discuss anything and everything.  If you are interested in
>joining, drop me a line.  Since it really isn't a 'list', what we do is if you 
>have a post, you send it to me and I distribute it to everyone.  C'mon...join
>and enjoy!


On second thought, maybe he didn't invent wreck.moto - 

	he's trying a round about way to figure out the DoD theme song.

One FAQ, coming right up!


   Charlie Smith,  DoD #0709,  doh #0000000004,  1KSPT=22.85

o--------------------------------------------------------------o
  There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
    followed by the words "Daddy!  Why am I locked outside?"
o--------------------------------------------------------------o

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104481
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts

In article <1993Apr12.042749.2557@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>In article <1993Apr12.022233.17927@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>>In article <C5CKp9.C5D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs225a82@dcl-nxt19.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student) writes:
>>>
>>>I have a quick question.  I recently got a bike and drive it often, but my  
>>>one problem is the wind messing with my contacts.  I have gas permeable  

>>How about a full face helmet with the face sheild down.  Works for me.
>
>	Actually, this doesn't always work for me either. I have wind that
>	blows around inside my RF200 some, and it'll dry my eyes out / get dust
>	in them eventually unless I'm also wearing sunglasses inside my
>	helmet.

I too, usually wear sunglasses inside my full face helmet to keep dirt & wind
out of my contacts.  Mumble, mumble, mumble ...


Charlie Smith,  DoD #0709,  doh #0000000004,  1KSPT=22.85


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104482
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: looking for a maintenance manual for Honda CB 360

In article <1993Apr12.132410.19470@wam.umd.edu> buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling) writes:
>If anyone thinks that touring on a CB 360 is pushing the envelope, try
>a 175 twin.  My local Honda dealer says that my 1969 Honda Dream 175
>was commonly referred to as a "serious touring bike" when it first
>came out?!?!?!  (maybe there IS something in the water around here).


What's the problem here?  Back in 1958 I rode a Puch 175 from Paris to
Barcelona and back.  That was a two stroke, and back then it was representative
of the size of bikes on the road.  A 350 was considered a big bike, and the
superbikes of the day were 500cc or 600cc.  Anything bigger was real rare.


Charlie Smith,  DoD #0709,  doh #0000000004,  1KSPT=22.85

	Nothing in the water!
	Mais, voulez vous un peu du melange ?



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104483
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!!  Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!

Evelyn Wells, on the 12 Apr 1993 11:43 CST wibbled:
: Once again, this morning I pulled up to the designated motorcycle
: parking area, only to find a cage pulled up behind the bikes. 
: If people don't double-park cars, why do they do it to motorcycles?
: Never mind that rhetorical question, I know *why* they do it.

: What I want to know is, what can I do about it?  Carry pieces of
: paper that say "Don't park your car in the motorcycle area!!" ?
: Call the cops?  Wait until they emerge from the building and berate
: them until they beg forgiveness?  

: Does anyone else have this problem, and what do you do about it?

: Evie

I don't know if you have a local branch where you are, but the preferred method
over here is to 'phone the IRA and tell them about the car and that it 
belongs to an MP who is on a Northern Ireland Government Committee.  An hour
or so later, and the car is no longer a problem.  It's best not to park too 
close to it, though.
--

Nick (the Vengeful Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Plastic

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104484
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f

Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled:
: In article <txd.734810267@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:

: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here]

: >>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
: >>>  You think your *average* dirt biker can jump
: >>>a 3 foot log? 
: >
: >How about an 18" log that is suspended about 18" off of the ground?
: >For that matter, how about a 4" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the
: >ground?

: Oh, ye of little imagination.

:You don't jump over those -that's where you lay the bike down and slide under!
: -- 
: Jonathan E. Quist

The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of
nowhere, you can eat them.  Fuel's a bit cheaper, too.
--

Nick (the 90 HP Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Giddy-Up!

M'Lud.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104485
From: bloom@inland.com
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering

In article <1993Apr15.001813.3907@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
> Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !
> 
> 
> The stud on the side of the bike that clunked when I turned was absent.  I'm
> fairly sure it was there before the event.  In fact, the thread in
> the hole in the footpeg was perfectly intact, with no evidence of something
> having been forcefully ripped out of it only moments previously.  
> 
> Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ?  How can you
> rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without
> damaging the thread in the hole ?  

You can't knock a threaded stud out from its hole without destroying 
the threads.  Also part of the stud would still be in the hole. 
Therefore the stud was *not* in the hole before you touched something 
down on that side of the bike.
....Dr. Doom 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104486
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>In article 735207403@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>>

>1.  All of us that argue about gyroscopes, etc., throughly understand
>the technique of countersteering.

Including all the ones who think that they countersteer all the way
through a corner??

>The underlying physics are a
>different matter, and need not be taught to beginners. 

Agreed!

>Countersteering
>(the technique), should be taught, for only with understanding of the
>technique can one develop maximally effective emergency avoidance
>manuvers.

This is really the only thing we disagree on. Maybe we should agree to
disagree?? I still think  that telling newbies to steer left to turn
to the right is unnecessarily confusing, when they'll do it anyway if they
just get on the bike and ride the damn thing.


>2. *I* know exactly what's happening.  It's those *other* gits that
>haven't a clue!  :^)


Me too!!

:-)


>>Understanding the physics of traction is fine - but I cannot see how
>>detailed theory like that has any place in a motorcyle training course.
>>All you need to know is that maximum traction is obtained with the tyre
>>*just* beginning to slide against the road.

>Then we are in violent disagreement.  While what you state is true, it
>is insufficient to form a traction management policy.  Available
>traction increases with applied normal force, ie, traction available to
>the front wheel increases as weight shifts under braking forces, and
>correspondingly decreases at the rear.  Thus, a *technique* of applying
>both brakes, and easing off the rear and increasing pressure on the
>front, can best be learned with an understanding of weight shift and
>available traction.

Jeez, Ed, when you started talking about traction management policies I
thought you were making some weird reference to looking after railway
locomotives...

The official line here (though I do have my doubts about it) is that the
front brake is applied first, followed by the rear brake, the idea being
that you avoid locking up the rear after weight transfer takes place. In
practice I suspect most people do what you describe.

>Saying, "brake until the tire just begins to slide" is next to useless
>advice to a newbie.  He has to go out and slide the tire to find out
>where that is!  It also gives him zero information from which to
>develop a braking technique that changes as the braking and
>corresponding weight shift develop.

If you don't slide the tyre, you have no way of knowing whether you've
achieved maximum braking or not. I'm not suggesting that you should always
aim to brake as hard as you possibly can - but if you want to find the
limits of the machine, you have to go beyond them. 

In any case, for maximum braking, if (as I suggested) you aim to keep
both wheels just on the point of sliding, then you'll be doing
exactly as *you* suggest!!





Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104487
From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
>2)  What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance?  I turn 18 in 
>about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up
>till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a 
>motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes
>a difference)

It depends on the bike. Once you've found a bike you're interested in, call
some insurance companies for rates. Some bikes are much cheaper to insure than
you might think (my EX-500 only costs me $127/year in St. Louis; I'm 27)
>
>3)  Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it?

For a first bike, I recommend 500cc's or less. And a bike short enough to get
both feet on the ground when you stop.
 
The one piece of advice EVERYONE will give you is to take a Motorcycle Safety
Foundation Rider's Course. See a dealer for details. In some states, completion
of such a course can give you a break on insurance. It will also teach you
to ride properly from the beginning, so you won't learn any bad habits.

Good luck. Riding a motorcycle is the most fun you can have, naked or otherwise.

Alan


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104488
From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: Re: Insurance discount

Erik Asphaug x2773 (asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu) wrote:
: Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount.  They
: do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of 

Progressive offers multi-vehicle discounts.
Good prices too IMHO.

tony
--
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CMCS Codegeneration Group, Software Division
Cray Research Inc, 655F Lone Oak Drive, Eagan, MN 55121

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104489
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Re: First Bike??

In article <0forqFa00iUzMATnMz@andrew.cmu.edu>, James Leo Belliveau <jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>     I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to
> put it bluntly, it sucks.  I really would like some advice on what would

Oh! For a second I thought this was a posting by Ed Green!
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104490
From: gruncie@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gillian E Runcie CS92)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

that's okay, he's perfectly welcome to come to Scotland you know ;-)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104491
From: blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

Gregory Humphreys (gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov) wrote:



Greg,

I'm very new to motorcycles. Haven't even bought one yet. I was in the same
position about you. How do you learn if you've never ridden.

I took a class put on by a group called the Motorcycle Safety Foundation
in California. They might have something similar in Washington.

Try calling a motorcycle dealer in your area and asking. It's a good first 
start on how to ride a motorcycle correctly.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104492
Subject: Re: Traffic morons
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>,
ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote:
> 
> NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
> NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
> 
> NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
> NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
> NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
> NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
> NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
> 
> NMM>Did I do the right thing?

	imho, you did the wrong thing.  You could have been shot
 or he could have run over your bike or just beat the shit
 out of you.  Consider that the person is foolish enough
 to drive like a fool and may very well _act_ like one, too.

 Just get the heck away from the idiot.

 IF the driver does something clearly illegal, you _can_
 file a citizens arrest and drag that person into court.
 It's a hassle for you but a major hassle for the perp.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104493
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... 

In article <1993Apr19.211340.12407@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com writes:

>I am very glad to know that none of you judgemental little shits has

Hey Pal!  Who're you calling litte?


Tony

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+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104494
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:
>  Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

	Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front.
 See, it just HOPS into the air!  Figure.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104495
From: ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu (Allan Hatcher)
Subject: Re: Traffic morons

In article <Stafford-200493102833@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>,
>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote:
>> 
>> NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
>> NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
>> 
>> NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>> NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>> NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>> NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>> NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>> 
>> NMM>Did I do the right thing?
>
>	imho, you did the wrong thing.  You could have been shot
> or he could have run over your bike or just beat the shit
> out of you.  Consider that the person is foolish enough
> to drive like a fool and may very well _act_ like one, too.
>
> Just get the heck away from the idiot.
>
> IF the driver does something clearly illegal, you _can_
> file a citizens arrest and drag that person into court.
> It's a hassle for you but a major hassle for the perp.
>
>====================================================
>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony.
.
  


>
>                    All standard disclaimers apply.



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104496
From: mikej@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Mike Johnson)
Subject: Re: Paris-Dakar BMW touring???


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104497
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies


In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:

Mike Terry asks:

>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
>
No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
off the ground.
-- 
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   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104498
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: First Bike?? and Wheelies


In a previous article, jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu (James Leo Belliveau) says:

> Anyone, 
>
>    I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to
>put it bluntly, it sucks.  I really would like some advice on what would
>be a good starter bike for me.  I do know one thing however, I need to
>make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is
>out of the question.  I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR
>600 F2, GSX-R 750).  I know that this may sound kind of crazy
>considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a
>fast learner, and in love.  Please give me any advice that you think
>would help me in my search, including places to look or even specific
>bikes that you want to sell me.
>
>    Thanks  :-)

The answer is obvious: ZX-11 D.
-- 
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   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104499
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

No, it's not possible to countersteer either.

(for the humor impared :{P PPhhhhhtttttt!)

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104500
From: maxg@microsoft.com (Max Gilpin)
Subject: HONDA CBR600 For Sale

For Sale 1988 Honda CBR600 (Hurricane).  I bought the bike at the end of
last summer and although I love it, the bills are forcing me to part with
it.  The bike has a little more than 6000 miles on it and runs very strong.
It is in nead of a tune-up and possibly break pads but the rubber is good.
I am also tossing in a TankBag and a KIWI Helmet.  Asking $3000.00 or best
offer.  Add hits newspaper 04-20-93 and Micronews 04-23-93.  Interested 
parties can call 206-635-2006 during the day and 889-1510 in the evenings
no later than 11:00PM.  

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104501
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Traffic morons

In <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:

>NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
>NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks

>I've found that an effective strategy is to flash my brake light by
>pumping the pedal. You will, obviously need a bit of free play in your
>brake pedal to do this. It seems that even the most brain dead idiot can
>usually discern that a flashing red light directly in front of
>him/her/it may mean that something is wrong.


  I see one thing wrong with your strategy.
The boy who cried wolf.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       







Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104502
From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>


In article <1993Apr20.045032.9199@research.nj.nec.com> Chris BeHanna,
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.204159.17534@bnr.ca> Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
writes:
>>Reminds me of a great editorial by Bruce Reeve a couple months ago
>>in Cycle Canada.
>>
>>He was so pissed off with cops pulling over speeders in dangerous
>>spots (and often blind corners) that one day he decided to get
>>revenge.
>>
>>Cruising on a factory loaner ZZR1100 test bike, he noticed a cop 
>>had pulled over a motorist on an on or off ramp with almost no
>>shoulder.  Being a bright lad, he hit his bike's kill switch
>>just before passing the cop, who happened to be bending towards
>>the offending motorist there-by exposing his glutes to the
>>passing world.
>>
>>With his ignition system now dead, he pumped his throtle two
>>or three times to fill his exhaust canister's with volatile raw fuel.
>>
>>All it took was a stab at the kill switch to re-light the ignition
>>and send a 10' flame in Sargeant Swell's direction.
>>
>>I wonder if any cycle cops read Cycle Canada?
>
>	Although I agree with the spirit of the action, I do hope that
>the rider ponied up the $800 or so it takes to replace the exhaust system
>he just destroyed.  The owner's manual explicitly warns against such
>behavior for exactly that reason:  you can destroy your muflers that way.
>
>Later,
>-- 
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
>Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
>agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Ya, Fat Chance.  The "offending" rider was a moto journalist.  Those
guys can sell hundreds of bikes with one stroke of the pen and
as such get away with murder when it comes to test bikes.

One way or the other, it was probably worth the early expiration of 
one mufler to see a bone head get his butt baked.

Dave D.F.
"It's true they say that money talks.  When mine spoke it said
'Buy me a Drink!'."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104503
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: How to buy a first bike, etc.

There have been a *lot* of posts lately about "I wanna buy my first bike - is a
GSXR/ZX/CBR/FZR a good bike to learn on?" etc.

I think I'm going to put together a FAQ on buying a new bike. Ravi used to post
one all the time.
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104506
From: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman)
Subject: Stuff For Sale is GONE!!!


Thanks to all who responded.   The three items (electric vest,
Aerostitch Suit, and Scarf) are all spoken for.

-Gary

-- 
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Interleaf, Inc.      Prospect Place, 9 Hillside Ave, Waltham, MA 02154
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104507
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
}1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have 
}to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too 
}ignorant to know I need to buy)

The following numbers are approximate, and will no doubt get me flamed:

Helmet (new, but cheap)					$100
Jacket (used or very cheap)				$100
Gloves (nothing special)				$ 20
Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!)	$140

That leaves you between $900 and $1000 (depending on the accuracy
of my numbers) to buy a used bike, get it registered, get it
insured, and get it running properly. I'd say you're cutting
it close. Perhaps if your parents are reasonable, and you indicated
your wish to learn to ride safely, you could get them to pick up
the cost of the MSF course and some of the safety gear. Early
holiday presents or whatever. Those are one-time (well, long-term
anyway) investments, and you could spend your money on the actual
bike, insurance, registration, and maintenance.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104508
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

In article <C5qtvL.M73@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Knicker Twister) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca>
>npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
>
>> With regards to the pub brawl, he might have a history of such things.
>> Just because he was a biker doesn't make him out to be a reasonable
>> person.  Even the DoD might object to him joining, who knows?

If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the
article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he
got his drinking money from?

I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is
looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out
of hand or of shoddy journalism.

If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they
should put the money in trust.  They don't, so I would assume it's
perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that
way myself.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104509
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

David Karr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 01:01:01 GMT wibbled:
: In article <C5qtvL.M73@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Knicker Twister) writes:
: >In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca>
: >npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
: >
: >> With regards to the pub brawl, he might have a history of such things.
: >> Just because he was a biker doesn't make him out to be a reasonable
: >> person.  Even the DoD might object to him joining, who knows?

: If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the
: article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he
: got his drinking money from?

: I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is
: looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out
: of hand or of shoddy journalism.

: If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they
: should put the money in trust.  They don't, so I would assume it's
: perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that
: way myself.

: -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)

We heard about this from a newspaper article.  Journalists and editors
always pick out the most interesting and sensational "facts" for our
delectation.  As the editor of the Sun once said: "We never let the
facts get in the way of a good story".  You must have noticed how
motorcyclists get treated by the press.  They thrive on hysteria,
ignorance, sensationalism and one-upmanship.  Unfortunately there's
not enough salt to keep taking a pinch of.

--

Nick (the Cynical Old Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Leaky New Gearbox

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
                                   (-)
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for you.  It's time to get up

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104510
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: So That's Where the Oil in my K75 Went

tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes:
]Just wanted to say "Thanks" to everyone who sent me e-mail or
]posted a reply to my question on the oil consumption in my K75S

so what did _you_ decide?

-- 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104511
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: The best of times, the worst of times

(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times)

A few times a year, a funny thing happens: the bike engine runs
perfectly.  Completely smooth.  Not that it runs poorly normally, but
on these days, it is exceptional.  My theory is that the air density
and moisture content of the air are such that I get complete
combustion.  Needless to say, it puts me in a great mood.

The mood lasted for about 20 miles.  Heading north on the 405
freeway, about a mile or two south of the 10, my throttle stopped
responding.... and I was between lanes.  Nothing to do but make 
my way over 4 lanes to the shoulder... initially by gliding, then
by pushing.  At least traffic was heavy enough so that cars did
not mind stopping for me.

Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 
carb.  I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
on the screws inside of a carb.  At least it was roadside
fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104512
From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG (vidaros@dhhalden.no) wrote:
& Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models 
& really mean. 
& Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L 
& and P in Suzuki VS750GLP

Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
"CB" is a street bike with an parallel twin or inline 4-cylinder engine.
"R" used to mean race bike, but is now also used to mean sport bike.
"CL" was for the old steet scramblers-street bikes with high pipes
"CM" was a "custom" street bike
"CR" is dirt only two strokes
"XL" is dual purpose bike
"XR" was dirt only four stroke, but now can be a dual purpose bike if it has
an "L" as a suffix.
"GL" is a touring bike

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104513
From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)
Subject: Re: Hell-mets.

In article <1993Apr18.035125.29930@freenet.carleton.ca>, aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) says:
> 
> >
> > 
> > If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better 
> >to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit 
> >as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a 
> >LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might 
> >have some minor damage?
> 
> == Wear the RF200.  Even after a few drops & paint chips, it is FAR better
> than no helmet or a poorly fitting one.  I've had many scratches & bangs
> which have been repaired plus I'm still confident of the protection the
> helmet will continue to give me.  Only when you actually see depressions
                                    
> or actual cracks (using a magnifying glass) should you consider replacement.

> -- 

This is not good advice.  A couple of years I was involved in a low-speed
getoff in which I landed on my back on the pavement.  My head (helmeted)
hit the pavement with a "clunk", leaving a couple of dings and chips in the
paint at the point of impact, but no other visible damage.  I called the
helmet manufacturer and inquired about damage.  They said that the way a
fiberglass shell works is to first give, then delaminate, then crack.
This is the way fiberglass serves to spread the force of the impact over a
wider area.  After the fiberglass has done its thing, the crushable foam
liner takes care of absorbing (hopefully) the remaining impact force.
They told me that the second stage of fiberglass functionality (delamination
of the glass/resin layers) can occur with NO visible signs, either inside or
outside of the helmet.  They suggested that I send them the helmet and they
would inspect it (including X-raying).  I did so.  They sent back the helmet
with a letter stating that that they could find no damage that would
compromise the ability of the helmet to provide maximum protection.
(I suspect that this letter would eliminate their being able to claim
prior damage to the helmet in the event I were to sue them.)

The bottom line, though, is that it appears that a helmets integrity
can be compromised with no visible signs.  The only way to know for sure
is to send it back and have it inspected.  Note that some helmet
manufacturers provide inspections services and some do not.  Another point
to consider when purchasing a lid.

--
Ken Franklin 	They say there's a heaven for people who wait
AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
DoD #0126       The sinners are lots more fun, Y'know only the good die young

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104514
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <1993Apr20.010734.18225@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:

>In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>|In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>|>       What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
>|>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?
>|
>|Driving While Intoxicated.

>  Actually, I beleive "DWI" normally means "Driving While Impaired" rather
>than "Intoxicated", at least it does in the states I've lived in...

>|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her 
>|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!

>  One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs,
>not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc...  I'm
>surprised this got her off the hook...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
>to liquor?

Lets just say it is DUI here now!

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104515
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: header paint

it seems the 200 miles of trailering in the rain has rusted my bike's headers.
the metal underneath is solid, but i need to sand off the rust coating and
repaint the pipes black.  any recommendations for paint and application
of said paint?

thanks!

axel

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104516
From: drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Re: RGV and posing!!

In article 25444@dsd.es.com, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <speedy.153@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>>In article <2553@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> amydlak@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Adam Mydlak) writes:
>
>>>[Squid deleted]
>
>> 5.  Helment laws vary from state to state.  In my state (Louisiana) it is 
>>the law.  I personaly, would not go 2 feet on a bike without one law or no 
>>law.  A helment will save your life.
>
>I'll go 2 feet, but I draw the line at 3. 

I'll see your 3 and raise you 4.

Doug Rinckes   drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp   New Zealand TSSC Ltd
1976 BMW R100S           1960 BMW R60            1940 Indian 741A       



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104517
From: vidaros@dhhalden.no (VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG)
Subject: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models 
really mean. 
Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L 
and P in Suzuki VS750GLP

I wanna distribute this in our club magazine. I want lists of all types, but 
I already knows about Harley.

Thanks in advance!

	Vidar
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104518
From: schultz@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Schultz)
Subject: Re: Honda CB400F For Sale

I wanted to let people know that this motorcycle has been sold.

Thanks for your inquiries.

--Dave Schultz

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104519
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

Several years ago, while driving a cage, a dog darted out at a quiet
intersection right in front of me but there was enough distance
between us so I didn't have to slow down. However, a 2nd dog
suddenly appeared and collided with my right front bumper and
the force of the impact was enough to kill that Scottish Terrier.

Apparently, it was following the 1st dog. Henceforth, if a dog
decides to cross the street, keep an eye out for a 2nd dog as
many dogs like to travel in pairs or packs. 

I've yet to experience a dog chasing me on my black GL1200I which
has a pretty loud OEM horn (not as good as Fiamms, but good enuff)
but the bike is large and heavy enough to run right over one of
the smaller nippers while the larger ones would have trouble
getting my leg between the saddlebags and engine guards. I'd
def feel more vulnerable on my '68 Trump as that'd be easier
leg chewing target for those mongrels.

If there's a persistent dog running after bikers despite
complaints to the owner I wouldn't be adverse to running
over it with my truck as a dogs life isn't worth much IMHO
compared to a child riding a bike who gets knocked to the
ground by said dog and dies from a head injury. 

Any dog in the neighborhood that's vicious or a public menace
running about unleashed is fair game as road kill candidate.

Graeme Harrison
(gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104520
From: bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean)
Subject: Help!  Which bikes are short?

Help!  I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle.  This is great!
Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat.  This is not great.  So far,
the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440.

So, it's time to tap the collective memory of all the denizens out there.
Anybody know of models (old models and used bikes are not a problem)
with a 28" or lower seat?  And, since she has to make this difficult ( 8-) ),
she would prefer not to end up with a cruiser.  So there's bonus points
for listing tiny standards.

I seem to remember a thread with a point similar to this passing through
several months ago.  Did anybody keep that list?

Thanks!

--
Gregory Bean                                                           DoD #580
bean@ncar.ucar.edu         "In fact, everything's got that big reverb sound..."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104521
From: tafi3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Ian Deeley)
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>

From article <C5quw0.Btq@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, by mikeh@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Hollyman):
> Hi, I have an 82 CB750 Custom that I just replaced the cylinder head gasket
> on.  Now when I put it back together again, it wouldn't idle at all.  It was
> only running on 2-3 cylinders and it would backfire and spit flames out the
> exhaust on the right side.  The exhaust is 4-2 MAC.  I bought new plugs
> today and it runs very rough and still won't idle.  I am quite sure the fine
> tune knobs on the carbs are messed up.  I checked the timing, it was fine, so
> I advanced it a little and that didn't help.  
> 
> I assume the carbs need to be synched.  Can I buy a kit and do this myself?
> If so, what kit is the best for the price.
> 
> Any other suggestions?
> 
	I dont think its the carbs that are out, I would suspect that
the cam timing is out, & as you say that you had the head off, that
would make sense to me,
				Ian.

	Just my 0.02 emu's worth.
-- 
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University of Sussex   	--=oOo=--	important that you do it.."
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104522
From: mmaser@engr.UVic.CA (Michael  Maser)
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering

--In a previous article, exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au () says:
--
-->Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !
-->
-->Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there
-->was a slight difference-  a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension
-->to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very
-->tangible "thunk".  I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. 
--== some deleted
-->
-->Barry Manor DoD# 620 confused accidental peg-scraper
-->
-->
--Check the bottom of your pipes Barry -- suspect that is what may
--have hit.  I did the same a few years past & thought it was the
--peg but found the bottom of my pipe has made contact & showed a
--good sized dent & scratch.

-- Believe you'd feel the suddent change on your foot if the peg
--had bumped.  As for the piece missing -- contribute that to 
--vibration loss.

Yep, the same thing happened to me on my old Honda 200 Twinstar.


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104523
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
|In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
|>       What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
|>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?
|
|Driving While Intoxicated.

  Actually, I beleive "DWI" normally means "Driving While Impaired" rather
than "Intoxicated", at least it does in the states I've lived in...

|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her 
|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!

  One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs,
not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc...  I'm
surprised this got her off the hook...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
to liquor?

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

       "But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104524
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

Folks,

I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.

Essentially I need any/all movies that use motos in any substantial
capacity (IE; Fallen Angles, T2, H-D & the Marlboro Man,
Raising Arizona, etc).  
Any help you fellow r.m'ers could give me would be much `preciated.
(BTW, a summary of bike(s) or plot is helpful but not necessary)

Thanx

-Erc.


_______________________________________________________________________________
C Eric Sundheim        csundh30@ursa.Calvin.edu
GrandRapids, MI, USA
`90 Hondo VFR750f
DoD# 1138
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104525
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: Traffic morons

NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks

NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).

NMM>Did I do the right thing?

NMM>Yours Truly :

NMM>                                  Niels Mikkel

Well, sounds great to me! When I have a real BDI cager tailgating me,
I've found that an effective strategy is to flash my brake light by
pumping the pedal. You will, obviously need a bit of free play in your
brake pedal to do this. It seems that even the most brain dead idiot can
usually discern that a flashing red light directly in front of
him/her/it may mean that something is wrong.

The two problems I'd see with your strategy is that the red light may
change before you can get anything meaningful out of your mouth, or the
occupant(s) may take exception to your opinions and demonstrate such
physically (on you or your now-parked bike). Admittedly, the latter is a
slim chance, but it would be enough to give me pause.


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104526
From: gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys)
Subject: New to Motorcycles...

Hello everyone.  I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please.  I don't
have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information:

1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have 
to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too 
ignorant to know I need to buy)

2)  What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance?  I turn 18 in 
about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up
till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a 
motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes
a difference)

3)  Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it?

4)  In DC, as I imagine it is in every other state (OK, OK, we're not a 
state - we're not bitter ;)), you take the written test first and then
get a learners permit.  However, I'm wondering how one goes about 
learning to ride the bike proficiently enough so as to a) get a liscence
and b) not kill oneself.  I don't know anyone with a bike who could 
teach me, and the most advice I've heard is either "do you live near a
field" or "do you have a friend with a pickup truck", the answers to both
of which are NO.  Do I just ride around my neighborhood and hope for 
the best?  I kind of live in a residential area but it's not suburbs.
It's still the big city and I'm about a mile from downtown so that 
doesn't seem too viable.  Any stories on how you all learned?

Thanks for any replies in advance.

	-Greg Humphreys
	:wq
	^^^
	Meant to do that.  (Damn autoindent)

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104527
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

In article <1qt0jo$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
|
|Hey!  I wasn't picking on Morgan.  They use old technology.  That's all
|I said.  There's nothing wrong with using old technology.  People still
|use shovels to dig holes 

Well, you really can't dig a hole with a stock Shovel; you at least need some
performance mods like stroking and cams.  Besides, it's REAL bad on the
rear tire.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104528
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!


In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
|> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
|> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
|> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?
|> >>
|> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.
|> >
|> >  Why not?  Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus
|> >and Vauxhall.  Rover is only owned 20% by Honda.
|> 
|> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would on the likes of A.M.,
|> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British
|> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing


I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
the name.

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104529
From: asalerno@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (antonio.j.salerno..jr)
Subject: DoD Books

Anyone around here read this yet?
Does Anita have a number?

>>   Title: Software measurement for DoD systems : recommendations for initial 
>>          core measures / Anita D. Carleton, ... [et al.].
>> Subject: Software engineering.; Computer programming management.
>>  Author: Carleton, Anita D.
>>  Author: Carnegie-Mellon University. Software Engineering Institute.
>>    Publ: Pittsburgh, Pa. : Carnegie Mellon University, Software Engineering 
>>          Institute, 1992. 53 p.


Tony
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104530
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18

In article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com> ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:

A note to users of Plexi-Fairings:

If the light hits some of these just right, they become a giant magnifing 
glass and will melt a hole in your guage pod!  

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104531
From:         Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD>
Subject:      Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc

>An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."  A friend
>damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
>the sticker.  I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they
>were assuming by pulling that stunt.  She claimed it was the driver who
>was at fault for illegally parking in the first place.  That would
>probably be good for a laugh or two in court, before they found her
>liable for $Serious.

Seems to me that the driver was driving the vehicle visually impaired.
Isn't that like not scraping ice and snow off your windshield and such?

Say, that's another thing that bugs me.  Why don't people scrape their
damn windows?  I've seen people driving cars with *barely* the driver's
half of the windshield cleared.  Nothing else cleared.  This seems
pretty stupid and isn't there something (probably varies state to state)
that says a certain percentage of the glass must be clear?  Oh, well.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104532
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

In article <1993Apr16.104158.27890@reed.edu> mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes:

>(assuming David didn't know that it can be done one-legged,) I too would 

In New Orleans, LA, there was a company making motorcycles for WHEELCHAIR 
bound people!  The rig consists of a flat-bed sidecar rig that the 
wheelchair can be clamped to.  The car has a set of hand controls mounted on 
conventional handlebars!  Looks wierd as hell to see this legless guy 
driving the rig from the car while his girlfriend sits on the bike as a 
passenger!

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104533
From: staal@idt.unit.no (Staal Amund Vinterbo)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <mjs.734954875@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk>, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
|> 
|> Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to
|> be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering
|> theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
|> the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.
|> And that was my original point.
|> 
|> Mike

While I agree with you on that formal training is essential for safe riding,
I disagree strongly with your original point. The point of formal training 
must be to prepare riders for the road. Preparedness is in my opinion
to know as much as possible. So, to exclude some aspects of riding a bike 
in a course is wrong IMHO. Now to countersteering in particular.
Countersteering is something that must be trained. A common reaction among 
new bikers (or bicycle riders) in an emergency situation, is to steer the 
motorcycle like a bicycle. As we know this makes the motorcycle go in the
direction opposite to what was intended. Needless to say, this is dangerous.
I have a specific example: A rider in a left turn. The rider thinks he/she
is to close to the right shoulder of the road, and tries to steer the 
motorcycle to the left by pulling the left handle and pushing the right 
handle. The motorcycle straightens up and goes off the road. 
A worse scenario: The same rider, same turn. In the middle of the turn
the rider sees a truck coming towards him/her. The panicking rider tries
to steer the motorcycle away from the truck and crashes right into it.

The main function of a riding course is to teach how to avoid emergency 
situations, AND what to do if in one. Thus, the knowledge (and training) of
countersteering is IMHO a must in any riding course.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104534
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: Help!  Which bikes are short?

In rec.motorcycles, bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes:
>Help!  I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle.  This is great!
>Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat.  This is not great.  So far,
>the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440.

    I had a kz440 and thought it was the best $100 bike I've ever
    ridden.  And mind you, I've ridden many bikes.

>I seem to remember a thread with a point similar to this passing through
>several months ago.  Did anybody keep that list?

    You must be mistaken. No thread in this group has ever had a point.


Seriously, there are many 'short' bikes out there.  What style bike
and how much money does she have.  My SO is 5'3" and rides her CB1
or my hawk GT with ease.  Most cruisers are low slung.  YSR50's are
real short too.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104535
From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...

"cjackson" == Curtis Jackson <cjackson@adobe.com> writes:

cjackson> I am very glad to know that none of you judgemental little shits has
cjackson> ridden/driven when too tired, sleepy, hungover, angry, or distracted
cjackson> in the last 3 years. Why, if you had then you might be just as guilty

Some of us not-so judgmental little shits don't drive/ride when we're
impaired.  I stopped doing that sort of thing when a good friend of
mine got killed by a drunk driver who failed to stop for a red and
drove through the side of her volvo in his '72 caddy.

Then again, I suspect most of the responsible adults on the net don't
bother posting in flame wars on rec.moto.

cjackson> "There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
cjackson>  in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

He also owned slaves, kept some as forced concubines, and had enough
resources to do what he wanted without fear of reprisal.  Then again,
he also smoked dope.
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This is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104536
From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

Mike Terry
'82 Virago

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104537
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

In article <C5sK1D.C1p@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
}Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.

So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104538
From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)
Subject: Re: More MOA stuff --- like the RA

From what I've seen in my 17 years as an MOA member, most of the folks
in the RA are also in the MOA... I guess it's called covering all the
bases to get some idea of what is really happening.. How else does one
think the RA gets all the juicey news about what's happen' inside the 
MOA?

Nihilism isn't for everyone, not that it really matters!
Craig Vechorik
BMW MOA Ambassador  (and ya, I finally sent my bucks into the RA too)
"REAL BMW's have TWO wheels"  <--- politically correct statement
DOD #843


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104539
From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Electricty

 
 Sigha.
 
 1) Trying to figure out a way to put a halogen beam on my CB360T... Are 
there any easy ways to do this (i.e. a "slip-in" bulb replacement)?
 
 2) Was told by a guy at the bike shop that my "not damn near bright enough" 
incandescent beam might be caused by a perma-low battery. So I went and 
picked up this cheapo "Motorcycle battery and charging system tester"... 
Hook it up to the battery, it's got 3 lights on "Very good charge"... Start 
the engine (to test the charging system), and it doesn't even REGISTER. It's 
supposed to light 5 or 6 lights if everything is OK, but it stays down at 
the same point as just the battery.
 
 My question here is, if indeed my charging system is just plain messed up, 
how the HECK is the battery staying fully charged? I'd think it would be 
darned near dead from supporting my lights, etc...
 
 Do the '75 CB360T's have a problem with their charging system? Are they 
just generally slower charging than what is normal for bigger bikes?
 
 Is there an easy fix for this?
 
 3) Happy noise: Put 300 miles on my bike this weekend, finally got myass an 
endorsement.... which is REALLY GOOD, because my cage just quit running 
worth a damn and I won't have money to repair it until the first... ;) And 
the weatherman says "Bright and Sunny all week, 20% chance of rain on 
friday"...
 
 <big grin, bugs in teeth> 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104540
From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

 
 One of those "morning, just getting the coffee in me" thoughts:
 
 Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going, 
nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
 
 1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention 
is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages.
 
 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when 
you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104541
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled:

: In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
: |> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
: |> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
: |> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?
: |> >>
: |> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.
: |> >
: |> >  Why not?  Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus
: |> >and Vauxhall.  Rover is only owned 20% by Honda.
: |> 
: |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes of A.M.,
: |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British
: |> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing


: I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
: it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
: the name.

: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR.  It's a seperate
company from the RR Aero-Engine company.  I think that the government
own a stake.  Unfortunately they owned a stake of Jaguar too, until
they decided to make a quick buck and sold it to Ford.  Bastards.
This is definitely the ultimate Arthur-Daley government.
--

Nick (the Cynical Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Leaky Gearbox

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104542
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: The best of times, the worst of times

In <1993Apr20.161357.20354@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:

>(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times)


>Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 
>carb.  I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
>tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
>on the screws inside of a carb.  At least it was roadside
>fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.

You better check all the screws in that carb before you suck
one into a jug and munge a piston, or valve. I've seen it
happen before.

Matthew


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104543
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago)
Subject: Cobra Locks

I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing 
a motorcycle.  I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
(described below).  Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
in the Chicago area?

Any other feedback from someone who has used this?

Thanks for any info.,

Steve

In article 1r1534INNraj@shelley.u.washington.edu, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
> 
> Incidentally, the best lock I've found for bikes is the Cobra Lock.
> It's a cable which is shrouded by an articulated, hardened steel sleeve.
> The lock itself is cylindrical and the locking pawl engages the joints
> at the articulation points so the chain can be adjusted (like handcuffs).
> You can't get any leverage on the lock to break it open and the cylinder
> is well-protected.  I wouldn't want to cut one of these without a torch
> and/or a vice and heavy duty cutting wheel.
> 


---
Steve Bunis,  Sun Microsystems     ***DoD #0795***	93-ST1100
              Itasca, IL	  ***AMA #682049***	78-KZ650


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104544
From: jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere)
Subject:   So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious
things like that.  My questions would not be found in those places nor
answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop.
If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc.
don't bother writing in.  Thanks.

 



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104545
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <csundh30.735325668@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:

>Folks,

>I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.

>Essentially I need any/all movies that use motos in any substantial
>capacity (IE; Fallen Angles, T2, H-D & the Marlboro Man,
>Raising Arizona, etc).  
>Any help you fellow r.m'ers could give me would be much `preciated.
>(BTW, a summary of bike(s) or plot is helpful but not necessary)

Easy Rider (harleys, drugs, rednecks, New Orleans), Mad Max (violence, DoD 
wanna-be's), Time Rider (Honda Thumper, Time travel), On Any Sunday 
(Documentary about dirtbike racers, GREAT!), The (Great?) Escape (Steve 
Mcqueen, Nazis), Rebel Without a Cause (James Dean, future DoD'ers).  I 
think the last two are right, they are OLD movies I haven't seen in YEARS. 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104546
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1993Apr20.163629.29153@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:

>I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
>several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
>And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious
>things like that.  My questions would not be found in those places nor
>answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop.
>If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc.
>don't bother writing in.  Thanks.

I just gotta ask... What ARE these questions you want to ask an active cop?
Working on your DoD qualfications? B-)


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104547
From: mdc2@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (corrado,mitchell)
Subject: Re: Route Suggestions?

In article <1qmm5dINNnlg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) writes:
> 55E -> I-81/I-66E.  After this point the route is presently undetermined
> into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6).  Suggestions 

If you do make it into New York state, the Palisades Interstate Parkway is a
pleasant ride (beautiful scenery, good road surface, minimal traffic).  You
may also want to take a sidetrip along Seven Lakes Drive just off the parkway
for the same reasons plus the road sweeps up and down along the hills with
sweeping turns under old forest canopy.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104548
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
>Hello everyone.  I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please.  I don't
>have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information:
>
>[...]  Any stories on how you all learned?

I'll tell you my story as an example of what *not* to do.

Early in 1984 I took some riding lessons from my college roommate on
his old Honda CB360T.  He had taken the MSF beginner's course, so I
actually learned *some* of what I needed to know to ride.

I proceeded to buy a beat-up Honda CL350 for $400 and a $12 helmet and
rode around wearing this and a cotton windbreaker.  Then I decided to
invest in a full-face helmet (first smart move).  Sometime around then
I also passed my road test.

On May 4, 1984, I got caught in a rainstorm on my way home from a
4-mile trip.  Entering the town where I lived (a rather urban suburb),
I had to stop suddenly for a red light that I noticed too late,
skidded the rear tire out, and was ejected face upward into the
oncoming lane of traffic.  Fortunately for me the oncoming traffic was
also stopped for the same red light, otherwise I might have slid under
a car and been killed.

Now this is anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but I later took the
Experienced Rider Course from the MSF and saw that earlier training
could have helped me greatly.  In your case the need is even greater
since you have nobody to help you practice even the most basic stuff
as I did.

So my advice is to take the MSF beginner's course first thing.  I
wouldn't even buy a bike until you've taken the course, unless you
happen to pick up a real good deal and can store it someplace until
you're ready to use it.

>1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have 
>to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too 
>ignorant to know I need to buy)

While you're waiting to take the course (it might take a few weeks in
DC, as I recall there were always waiting lists in Boston), could you
save up some more money to start out right?  Say $300 for riding gear,
plus the cost bike, plus maybe $100 (guess) to a mechanic to make sure
the machine is safe (assuming you economize by buying some old beat-up
machine from a private individual), plus insurance, plus registration
and licensing fees, plus the course, you're looking at maybe $600 not
including the bike itself and a reserve for ongoing maintenance.

>2)  What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance?  I turn 18 in 
>about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up
>till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a 
>motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes
>a difference)

I pay about $100 insurance now (upstate NY) but it was closer to $200
in Boston (more urban) for decent insurance including substantial
coverage for liability, which you want unless you plan always to be
poor.  I'd guess DC is more like Boston than like a rural area, ergo
more expensive.

>3)  Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it?

There used to be annual buyer's guides in the usual motorcycle
magazines; I found those helpful in getting an idea of what new or
recent models might be available.  You could probably look through
past issues to size up what used bikes might be available.  (My first
bike was 13 years old when I bought it so I went on my friend's advice
instead.)  Also look at the bikes that you see people riding or that
are parked on the street.  I basically settled on my present bike by
noticing that there were a lot of high-mileage BMW's running around
and they were generally set up the way I wanted.

Nothing wrong with talking to various dealers in your area or visiting
showrooms.  Dealers in the Boston area, at least when I was shopping,
were very nice about letting you look around their showrooms and
quoting prices for bikes that weren't the latest models (hence
cheaper), although I ended up buying both bikes in private sales.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104549
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Help!  Which bikes are short?

In article <1993Apr20.170445.18331@ncar.ucar.edu> bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes:
>Help!  I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle.  This is great!
>Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat.  This is not great.  So far,
>the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440.

Look for a happier-looking KZ440?

Suzuki used to have an L designation, for example my former boss had a
GS850L which had a seat a couple inches lower than the "regular"
GS850, but it was certainly no cruiser.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   DoD #0969   also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104550
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: bike for sale in MA, USA

In article <1993Apr19.194630.102@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us> jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo) writes:
>I've recently become father of twins!  I don't think I can afford
> to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies.  Both babies are staying, so 1 of
> the Harleys is going.
>
>	1988 883 XLHD
>	~4000 mi.  (hey, it was my wife's bike :-)
	            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Well that was pretty uncalled for. (No smile)
	Is our Harley manhood feeling challenged?

> Jeff deRienzo

-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
 '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104551
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: MSF Program where?


	Could someone mail me the archive location of the MSF Program (for
	an IBM, right?)?

	Thanks,

-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
 '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104552
From: lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall)
Subject: Re: story 

>lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>
>>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the
>>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of
>>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The
>>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The
>>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY?
>
>
>And still we wonder why they stereotype us...
>
>-Erc.

 Whacha mean 'we'...ifin they (whom ever 'they' are) want to stereotype me
as one that likes to drink beer and watch lovely ladies display their
beautiful bodies - I like that stereotype.
  If you were refering 'stereotype' to infer a negative - you noticed we
didn't rape, pillage, or burn down the town. We also left mucho bucks as in
MONEY with the town. Me thinks the town LIKES us. Least they said so.
                         Lynn Hall - NOS Bros

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104553
Subject: Re: Traffic morons
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <C5sHD0.LH6@athena.cs.uga.edu>, ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu
(Allan Hatcher) wrote:
> 

> You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony.

	I'm not sure that's true.  Let me rephrase; "You can file a complaint
 which will bring the person into court."  As I understand it, a
 "citizens arrest" does not have to be the physical detention of
 the person.

 Better now?

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104554
From: frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org (Jeff 'Frog' Campbell)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

From article <C5px3n.Kw0@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers):
> In article <1098@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>>cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes:
> 
>>]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.
> 
>>I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling...
> 
> Yes, but the 535i was just a tad out of my price range...
> 
> 
> ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the
> Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end
> of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath?  I seem to slice the pinkie
> of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!).
> 
> Ride safe, send me your old MOA rags, y'all,
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II             |
> |                                                                          |
> |  I thought it might be cool to have the whole bike done in powder coat,  |
> |      like maybe a black undercoat with neon splatter, or something.      |
> |                           -- Brian W Simmons                             |
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm).
-- 
***  Jeff Campbell  N8WXS  '76 R75/6  70010,160  frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org  ***

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104555
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu>, ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
wrote:
> 
> 
> In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:
> 
> Mike Terry asks:
> 
> >Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
> >
> No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
> of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
> off the ground.

	This is true as evinced by the popularity of shaft-drive drag bikes.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104556
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks

In article <1r1b3rINNale@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> doc@webrider.central.sun.com writes:
>I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing 
>a motorcycle.  I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
>(described below).  Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
>in the Chicago area?

	It is available through some dealerships, who in turn have to back
order it from the manufacturer directly.  Each one is made to order, at least
if you get a nonstandard length (standard is 5', I believe).

>Any other feedback from someone who has used this?

	See below

>In article 1r1534INNraj@shelley.u.washington.edu, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
>> 
>> Incidentally, the best lock I've found for bikes is the Cobra Lock.
>> It's a cable which is shrouded by an articulated, hardened steel sleeve.
>> The lock itself is cylindrical and the locking pawl engages the joints
>> at the articulation points so the chain can be adjusted (like handcuffs).
>> You can't get any leverage on the lock to break it open and the cylinder
>> is well-protected.  I wouldn't want to cut one of these without a torch
>> and/or a vice and heavy duty cutting wheel.

	I have a 6' long CobraLinks lock that I used to use for my Harley (she
doesn't get out much anymore, so I don't use the lock that often anymore).  It
is made of 3/4" articulated steel shells covering seven strands of steel cable.
It is probably enough to stop all the joyriders, but, unfortunately,
professionals can open it rather easily:

	1) Freeze a link.

	2) Break frozen link with your favorite method (hammers work well).

	3) Snip through the steel cables (which, I have on authority, are
		frightfully thin) with a set of boltcutters.

	For the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is
anywhere from 1/2" to 7/8" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded
in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type
locking mechanism.  I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's
more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat
in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8" model).

	All bets are off if the thief has a die grinder with a cutoff wheel.
Even the most durable locks tested yield to this tool in less than one minute.

	FYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104557
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for MC B

In article <5967@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
+
+I know of no law, either on the books or proposed, that bans motorcycles
+from any place that i want to go to.

Many private places ban bikes.  For example, the famous 17 mile
drive at the Monterrey Peninsula.  And I have stayed at resorts
that sported a "No motorcycles allowed" sign at the entrance.

And there have been public places.  Call the AMA and ask for
Jim Bensberg (sp?) or any one else in their Legislative Office.
They will recound the many public places that they had to bring
to court to reverse their ban on bikes.  That includes everything
from public parks to full cities.  There are probably a few fights
on their books as we now speak.  That is another good reason to
donate to their legislative fund.
____________________________________________________________________________
   Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired  -- R. Geis
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2
  KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905)
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104558
From: sproulx@bmtlh204.BNR.CA (Stephane Proulx)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks


You may find it useful.
(This is a repost. The original sender is at the bottom.)
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From: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Best way to lock a bike ?
Message-ID: <861@cybaswan.UUCP>
Date: 15 Jul 92 09:47:10 GMT
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These are the figures from the Performance Bikes lock test, taken without
permission of course. The price is for comparison. All the cable locks
have some sort of armour, the chain locks are padlock and chain. Each
lock was tested for a maximum of ten minutes (600 secs) for each test:

	BJ	Bottle jack
	CD	Cutting disc
	BC	Bolt croppers
	GAS	Gas flame

The table should really be split into immoblisers (for-a-while) and
lock-to-somethings (for-a-short-while) to make comparisons.

		Type	Weight	BJ	CD	BC	GAS	Total	Price
			(kg)	(sec)	(sec)	(sec)	(sec)	(sec)	(Pounds)
========================================================================
=========
3-arm		Folding	.8	53	5	13	18	89	26
Cyclelok	bar

Abus Steel-o-	Cable	1.4	103	4	20	26	153	54
flex

Oxford		Cable	2.0	360	4	32	82	478	38
Revolver

Abus Diskus	Chain	2.8	600	7	40	26	675	77

6-arm		Folding	1.8	44	10	600	22	676	51
Cyclelok	bar

Abus Extra	U-lock	1.2	600	10	120	52	782	44

Cobra		Cable	6.0(!)	382	10	600	22	1014	150
(6ft)

Abus closed	Chain	4.0	600	11	600	33	1244	100
shackle	

Kryptonite	U-lock	2.5	600	22	600	27	1249	100
K10

Oxford		U-lock	2.0	600	7	600	49	1256	38
Magnum

Disclock	Disc	.7	n/a	44	n/a	38	1282	43
		lock

Abus 58HB	U-lock	2.5	600	26	600	64	1290	100

Mini Block	Disc	.65	n/a	51	n/a	84	1335	50
		lock
========================================================================
=========

Pretty depressing reading. I think a good lock and some common sense about
where and when you park your bike is the only answer. I've spent all my
spare time over the last two weeks landscaping (trashing) the garden of
my (and two friends with bikes) new house to accommodate our three bikes in
relative security (never underestimate how much room a bike requires to
manouver in a walled area :( ). Anyway, since the weekend there are only two
bikes :( and no, he didn't use his Abus closed shackle lock, it was too much
hassle to take with him when visiting his parents. A minimum wait of 8
weeks (if they don't decide to investigate) for the insurance company
to make an offer and for the real haggling to begin.

Abus are a German company and it would seem not well represented in the US
but very common in the UK. The UK distributor, given in the above article
is:
	Michael Brandon Ltd,
	15/17 Oliver Crescent,
	Hawick,
	Roxburgh TD9 9BJ.
	Tel. 0450 73333

The UK distributors for the other locks can also given if required.

Don't lose it
	Ian

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
  Ian Harvey, University College Swansea         Too old to rock'n'roll
  eeharvey@uk.ac.swan.pyr                              Too young to die
                              '79 GS750E                              



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104559
From: Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke)
Subject: Countersteering sans Hands

So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in left 
hand, Camel cigarette in the right, no feet allowed.) If I lean, and the 
bike turns, am I countersteering? Is countersteering like benchracing only 
with a taller seat, so your feet aren't on the floor?

-Rick


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104560
From: pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <1993Apr19.164842.18206@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
>
>Mike Terry

No.

At least, that's what I told the NASA rent-a-cop that stopped me
because he swore I was "lifting it up."

He didn't completely buy the part about water in the carbs, either.


Phil Stone                  NEW ADDRESS----------> pstone@well.sf.ca.us
'83 R80ST                                           "Motorcycles OK"


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104561
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: Route Suggestions?

In article <1993Apr20.173413.29301@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> mdc2@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (corrado,mitchell) writes:
>In article <1qmm5dINNnlg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) writes:
>> 55E -> I-81/I-66E.  After this point the route is presently undetermined
>> into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6).  Suggestions 
>
>If you do make it into New York state, the Palisades Interstate Parkway is a
>pleasant ride (beautiful scenery, good road surface, minimal traffic).  You
				   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Been a while since you hit the PIP? The pavement (at least until around
	exit 9) is for sh*t these days. I think it must have taken a beating
	this winter, because I don't remember it being this bad. It's all
	breaking apart, and there are some serious potholes now. Of course
	there are also the storm drains that are *in* your lane as opposed
	to on the side of the road (talk about annoying cost saving measures).
		
	As for traffic, don't try it around 5:15 - 6:30 on weekdays (outbound,
	rush hour happens inbound too) as there are many BDC's...

	<...> <...>
>               '\                          Mitch Corrado
>               /   DEC  \======== mdc2@panther.tnds.bellcore.com

-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
 '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104562
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Hell-mets.

In article <217766@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com> maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>
> 
> Having talked to a couple people about helmets & dropping, I'm getting 
>about 20% "Don't sweat it", 78% "You might think about replacing it" and the 
>other 2% "DON'T RIDE WITH IT! GO WITHOUT A HELMET FIRST!"
> 
> Is there any way to tell if a helmet is damaged structurally? I dropped it 
>about 2 1/2 feet to cement off my seat, chipped the paint. Didn't seem to 
>screw up the actual shell. 

I'd bet the price of the helmet that it's okay...From 6 feet
or higher, maybe not.

> If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better 
>to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit 
>as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a 
>LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might 
>have some minor damage?

I'd wear the full facer, but then, I'd be *way* more worried
about wind blast in the face, and inability to hear police
sirens, than the helmet being a little damaged.


> Also, what would you all reccomend as far as good helmets? I'm slightly 
>disappointed by how badly the shoei has scratched & etc from not being 
>bloody careful about it, and how little impact it took to chip the paint 
>(and arguably mess it up, period)... Looking at a really good full-face with 
>good venting & wind protection... I like the Shoei style, kinda like the 
>Norton one I saw awhile back too... But suspect I'm going to have to get a 
>much more expensive helmet if I want to not replace it every time I'm not 
>being careful where I set it down.

Well, my next helmet will be, subject to it fitting well, an AGV
sukhoi. That's just because I like the looks. My current one is
a Shoei task5, and it's getting a little old, and I crashed in
it once a couple of years ago (no hard impact to head...My hip
took care of that.). If price was a consideration I'd get
a Kiwi k21, I hear they are both good and cheap.

> Christ, I don't treat my HEAD as carefully as I treated the shoei as far as 
>tossing it down, and I don't have any bruises on it. 

Be *mildly* mildly paranoid about the helmet, but don't get
carried away. There are people on the net (like those 2% you
mentioned) that do not consistently live on our planet...

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104563
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1993Apr19.155551.227@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
>In article <mjs.735230272@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>>
>>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don't even need to tell people the 
>>technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first
>>time they try to go round a corner.

Some will, and others will steer with their tuchuses. I don't know how much
the teaching of countersteering in the beginner course really helps the
tuchus steerers. I was one, I guess that I always steered a bicycle that way,
and I only got the hang of countersteering in normal riding *after* the course.
I could do the countersteering swerves in the course no problem, but I only
started using it in my normal riding when I decided that my turning at speed
(off-ramps and the like) was a lot more difficult that it should have been.
I knew how it works (although that's currently up for debate) definitely knew
*that* it works, as I could do it in swerves, but only figured it out later
in my normal riding. Just a data point. I think that it's not a bad idea to
bring the idea up, but it's best to let everyone tuchus-steer for the first
lesson or two, so they can learn to shift gears before they have to worry
about proper handlebar technique.

>countersteering.  In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors
>claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike
>turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight
>around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite
>direction.  (I admit I've never actually seen this.)

I have. In our beginner course we had passenger training. Sometime during
the lesson the instructor would hop on the back of the bike, and the student
would take him for a ride. If the student did not give the instructor the
"you are a sack of potatoes" passenger speech, the instructor would steer
the bike and make a general nuisance of himself. It was amusing to watch,
I'm just happy that it didn't happen to me.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104564
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Question about helmets

In article <1qmnp8INN31v@mojo.eng.umd.edu> oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor) writes:
>
>On the other side of the fence, I owned a Bieffe off-road helmet.
>Took what I would consider a minor fall, and had visible damage
>to the shell.  Yes, the helmet did its job.  But the damage/impact
>ratio was scary.  I own Bell Moto-5 now, have taken impacts on
>order of twice the Bieffe impact (we do this frequently in MX),
>and don't even have a scratch on it after two seasons.  My
>recommendation is to buy _high_ quality gear.  YMMV.

When your helmetted nogin hits an immoveabe object, there are only four things
to dissipate the energy: the immoveable object, the helmet shell, the helmet
liner, the rider's head, the rider's ego (ok, five). Assuming that the helmet/
head assembly takes the same impact, if the shell cracks in one case, then in
the other the liner must be dented, or the head gets jiggled. If it's the
the liner that's dented, the helmet is just as toast as if the shell were
cracked, it won't absorb energy form an impact in that area. If it's the head
that's getting jiggled, maybe the new gear isn't of as high quality after all?

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104565
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>>       Ok, hold on a second and clarify something for me:
>
>>       What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
>>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?
>
>Driving While Intoxicated.
>
>This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her 
>case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!

Here it's driving while impaired. That about covers everything.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104566
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist

In article <C5r7Ey.7Mq@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:
>
>I'm thinking of buying a motorcycle. Whenever I tell people
>this I usually get an answer like "Why do you want to do that
>My brother, sister, cousin knows somebody who had a motorcycle
>and now they are brain dead as a result of an accident?"
>
>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"?            

It's exactly as dangerous as it looks. You're hard to see and have little
protection. Keeping out of trouble means knowing your limits, keeping your
machine in good shape and being able to predict and make up for every stupid
move that drivers make out there. We deal with it because it's fun, but
staying alive takes a conscious effort.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104567
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...

In article <1993Apr18.230531.11329@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan) writes:
>In article <13386@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>>Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.
>>
>>I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
>>vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.
>>
>>Now what do I do?
>
>Sell the bike and the car and start taking the bus. That way you can
>keep drinking which seems to be where your priorities lay.
>
>I expect that enough of us on this list have lost friends because of
>driving drunks that our collective sympathy will be somewhat muted.

Look, guy, I doubt anyone here approves of Drunk Driving, but if
he's been caught and convicted and punished maybe you ought to
lighten up? I mean, it isn't like most of us haven't had a few
and then ridden or driven home. *We* just didn't get caught.
And I can speak for myself and say it will *never* happen again,
but that is beside the point.

In answer to the original poster: I'd insure whatever vehicle
is cheapest, and can get you to and from work, and suffer
through it for a few years, til your rates drop.

And *don't* drink and drive. I had one friend killed by a 
drunk, and I was rear ended by one, totaling my bike (bent
frame), and only failing to kill me because I had an eye
on my mirror while I waited at the stoplight.

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104568
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <C5pntM.8Co@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:

>This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
>a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
>I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
>dog or one that's really, *really* stupid.  A large Irish Setter taught me
>this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day.  I'm sure he was playing 
>a game with me.  The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before 
>He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.

What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?

You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
off!

Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
we have *all* the advantages.

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104569
From: brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (Robert J. Brown)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <Stafford-200493103434@stafford.winona.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes...
>>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:
>>  Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
> 
>	Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front.
> See, it just HOPS into the air!  Figure.
>John Stafford 

  Sure you can do wheelies with a shaft drive bike. I had a BMW R100RS
that was a wheelie monster! Of course it didn't have the initial power
burst to just twist it into the air - I had to pop the clutch. I also
had to replace front fork seals a few times as well. The fairing is a 
bit heavy to be slamming down onto those little stantion tubes all the
time. But let me give you fair warning: I trashed the ring/pinion gear
in the final drive of my K75 (I assume) doing wheelies. And this was 
NO cheap fix either!! There is some kind of "slip" device in the shaft
to prevent IT from breaking. Unfortunately, it didn't save the gears!

  On the topic of wheelies, the other day I saw a kid on a big Hurricane
do a "stoppy"(?), or rear wheelie. Man, he had the rear end on this bike 
up about 2 feet off the ground at a traffic light. I don't recommend these
activities anymore (now that I'm an "old guy" with kids of my own) but
it looked damn impressive!!

  If you can't keep both tires on the ground, at least have 'em pointed
in that direction! :-)

Cheers, 
B**2

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104571
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...

In article <1993Apr19.152527.23658@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:
|
|Now now Keith, just calm down.  What are you some prohibitionist prick?  The
|point of Andrew Infante's posting was obvious to solicit suggestions pertaining
|to the cost of insurance and the like.  I don't care if you are MADD or SADD or
|whatever; keep it to yourself, we'd all appreciate that.

Well, simply put, drinking is irrelavent.  Driving drunk is indefensable and
unforgivable.  There is a large differnece.

But, then, with an attitude like yours, I expect you'll be dead soon.  I just
hope you don't take a human being out with you.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104572
From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

In article <1993Apr20.163315.8876@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
> }1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have 
> }to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too 
> }ignorant to know I need to buy)
> 
> The following numbers are approximate, and will no doubt get me flamed:
> 
> Helmet (new, but cheap)					$100
> Jacket (used or very cheap)				$100
> Gloves (nothing special)				$ 20
> Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!)	$140
                                                         ^^^
Wow!  Courses in Georgia are much cheaper.  $85 for both.
>

The list looks good, but I'd also add:
  Heavy Boots (work, hiking, combat, or similar)         $45

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210  PGP key available

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104573
From: Christine Hogan <ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Strange Experience

Hi

I t was very nice out yesterday in the 'burgh, so i rode my bike
to my gynecologist appointment. When he came in to do the exam,
he noticed my helmet sitting on a chair. He got excited and picked it up 
and started asking all sorts of questions about bikes and dealers in the 
area and the MSF course. Apparently he rode a friends 125 for a
while years ago and recently the bug to ride caught him again.

Needless to say, I had never before talked about bikes so much in
such a position, if ya know what I mean :->



|Chris Hogan	ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu |CB-1|		
|         1127                 |     
| Soft as the massacre of Suns |
| By Evening's Sabres slain    |
|             emily dickinson  |  
                      

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104574
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <222834@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|>  
|>  One of those "morning, just getting the coffee in me" thoughts:
|>  
|>  Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going, 
|> nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
|>  
|>  1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention 
|> is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages.
|>  
|>  2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when 
|> you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. 


The down side is that when I'm in my cage, I have on numerous occasions
slammed my hand into the rolled up window in an effort to wave at
a passing biker.  Ow.

-- 
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= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104575
From: harley-request@thinkage.on.ca (Harley Mailing List Digest)
Subject: Harley-Davidson Mailing List -- an Email taste sensation!

  Anyone interesting in a mailing list for Harley-Davidson bikes, lifestyle,
politics, H.O.G. and whatever over 310 members from 14 countries make it,
may subscribe by sending a request to:

              harley-request@thinkage.on.ca
          or  uunet.ca!thinkage!harley-request

***
* Your request to join should have a signature or something giving your full
* Email address.  Do not RELY on the header "From:" field being useful to me.
*
* This is not an automated "listserv" facility. Do not expect instant
* gratification.
***

The list is a digest format scheduled for twice a day.

Members of the harley list may obtain back-issues and subject-index
    listings, pictures, etc. via an Email archive server. 
Server access is restricted to list subscribers only.
FTP access "real soon".

Other motorcycle related lists i've heard of (not run by me),
   these addresses may or may not be current:

  2-stroke:     2strokes-request@microunity.com
  Dirt:         dirt-request@zygot.ati.com
  European:     listserv@frigg.isc-br.com
  Racing:       race-request@formula1.corp.sun.com
                digest-request@formula1.corp.sun.com
  Short Riding: short-request@smarmy.sun.com
  Wet Leather:  listserv@frigg.isc-br.com

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                                    -Brian Wilson (Honda Honda)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104576
From: heathman@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michael Heathman)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?
>
>You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
>off!
>
>Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
>we have *all* the advantages.
>
>Regards, Charles
>DoD0.001
>RZ350
>-- 

	Professionals who train guard dogs, when polled, gave themselves a
1 in 4 chance of survival tackling a trained dog unarmed.  A trained guard
dog is not to be trifled with.  An untrained mutt may be another story.

ObMoto:  A local dog used to chase me all the time.  Really annoying.  I 
finally started stopping every time he'd chase me.  He didn't know what to do
then and would usually just slink off the road.  After a couple weeks of this
he stopped chasing me altogether.  He would still chase cars or other bikes,
though.  I think he recognized me when I went by ;-).

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 -  Mike Heathman           VX800 - Briar Rose        DoD #0284               -
 -  Lilly Research           T500 - Titan (Awaiting Resurrection)             -
 -  Indianapolis, IN        "Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?    -
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104577
From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Need parts/info for 1963 Maicoletta scooter


Posted for a friend:

Looking for tires, dimensions 14" x 3.25" or 3.35"

Also looking for brakes or info on relining existing shoes.

Also any other Maicoletta owners anywhere to have contact with.

Call Scott at 801-583-1354 or email me.
-- 
 I saw fops by the thousand sew themselves together round the Lloyds building.

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown          pashdown@slack.sim.es.com            Salt Lake City, Utah

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104578
From: delilah@next18pg2.wam.umd.edu (Romeo DeVerona)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

> > Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!)	$140
>                                                          ^^^
> Wow!  Courses in Georgia are much cheaper.  $85 for both.
> >
> 
in maryland, they were $25 each when i learned to ride 3 years ago. now,
it's $125 (!) for the beginner riders' course and $60 for the experienced
riders' course (which, admittedly, takes only about half the time ).

-D-

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104579
From: dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (David A. Braun)
Subject: Wrecked BMW


Do you or does anyone you know have a wrecked 1981 or later R80(anything)
or R100(anything) that they are interested in getting rid of?  I need
a motor, but will buy a whole bike.

email replies to:	David.Braun@FtCollinsCO.NCR.com
	or:		dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu

or phone:	303/223-5100 x9487 (voice mail)
		303/229-0952	   (home)




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104580
From: dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers)
Subject: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)

In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
>
>>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>       ^^^^^^
>    excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.


Squids are everybody but me and you.  Chris Behanna is especially a squid.


-- 
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ 		| Views expressed here are	*
 * (310) 337-5136 		| mine and do not necessarily	*
 * dana@locus.com  DoD #466 	| reflect those of my employer	*
 * This Extra supports the abolition of the 13 and 20 WPM tests *

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104581
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: where to put your helmet

CB>From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)

CB>>maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
CB>>|>
CB>>|>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to
CB>>|> rock
CB>>|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...

CB>        Do I have to be the one to say it?

CB>        DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
CB>        FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!

CB>        HELMETS GO ON THE GROUND, ON A TABLE, ON A CHAIR, ON A SHELF, OR ON
CB>        ANY OTHER SURFACE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEM SO THAT THEY
CB>        WILL NOT EASILY BE KNOCKED DOWN.


Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. If
you own a typical standard or other bike with fairly average mirrors
that screw into your handlebars, your helmet should fit over your mirror
and be fairly stable. I doubt I have to mention it, but this trick isn't
quite so smart on a GoldWing, CBR600, any GSXR, or any bike with
fairing-mounted mirrors.

I was a little surprised, though, to find that you had your helmet on
your seat while you were centerstanding your bike. I usually leave my
helmet on until my bike is parked, if for no other reason than I
wouldn't want my helmet to be on any surface that I was about to start
tilting and jerking . . .

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .

I saw the quote below on a pair of Nankai race-replica leathers. I think
this sort of phrase is typically known as "Japlish."

 * SLMR 2.1a * "Drive Agressively  Rash Magnificently" -Nankai Leathers
                                                                                        
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104582
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: Spagthorpe Viking

DS>From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)

DS>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:

DS>>Riding up the hill leading to my
DS>>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
DS>>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
DS>>the Spagthorpe Viking).

DS>        I must have missed the article on the Spagthorpe Viking.  Was
DS>that the one with the little illuminated Dragon's Head on the front
DS>fender, a style later copied by Indian, and the round side covers?

No. Not at all. The Viking was a trick little unit made way back when
(forties? fifties?) when Spag was trying to make a go of it in racing.
The first iteration (the Springer) was a boxer twin, very similar to Max
Friz's famous design, but with an overhead "point cam" (see below for
more on the valvetrain). The problem was that the thing had no ground
clearance whatsoever. The solution was to curve the cylinder bores, so
that the ground clearance was substantially increased:


      ==@==   <-Springer motor (front)
                 Viking motor (front) ->   \=@=/

This is roughly the idea, except that the bores were gradually curved
around a radius, as the pistons were loath to make a sharp-angled turn
in the middle of their stroke. The engine also had curved connecting
rods to accomodate the stroke.

The engine stuck out so far because of its revolutionary (and still
unique) overhead cam system. Through the use of clever valve timing and
and extrordinarily trick valve linkage, only a single cam lobe was
required to drive both overhead valves.

Just as revolutionary was the hydraulic valve actuation, which used a
pressurized stream of oil to power the "waterwheel" which kept the lobe
spinning over. One side effect that required some rather brutal
engineering fixes was that until the engine's oil pressure came up to
normal, the engine's valve timing would be more or less random,
resulting in some impressive start-up valve damage. The solution was a
little hand crank that pressurized the cases before you started the
beast, remarkably similar to the system used in new Porsches to
pressurize the oil system before the car is started (the cage, however,
uses an electric oil pump. Wimps).

Despite this fix, the engine had a nasty propensity for explosively
firing its valves into the pistons when a cylinder would temporarily
lose a bit of oil pressure in a corner. The solution was to run even
higher oil pressures and change the gaskets and seals regularly. This
was feasible because it was a racing engine.

With just a single overhead lobe, and no pushrod/shaft/chain towers
because of the hydraulic system, the head of the engine came to an
almost perfect point:

                    /\
                   /()\   <-lobe
                  / XX \  <-complex linkage (not shown due to
 valvestems ->   / \  / \    complexity)
                |  |   | |
                |  |===| |
                    =0=  <---piston
                     |
                             Note that the tip was not truly vertical
                             (it was at about a 70 degree angle to the
                             ground, and this drawing doesn't show the
                             curvature because there was none in the
                             head itself. The bore curve would start
                             about where the cylinder bore disappears in
                             this diagram


The effect of the pointy heads on top of a pair of gently (pundits of
the day even said sensuously) curved cylinders was much like a pair of
finned Viking horns poking out from beneath the gas tank. Thus, the
name.

The Vik was a moderately successful racer, lightning fast when it
worked, but plagued by problems relating to its revolutionary
technology. Eventually, it was dumped when Spag finally realized that
racing was not where the Spagthorpe name would be made. The machines
were raced for another year or two by privateers, and their fate
(approximately six Vikings were made, plus one or possibly two
Springers. Confusing the issue is one old Spag staffer who swears up and
down that this machine was tooled for production, and that as many as
twenty or thirty machines may have come off the line. However, no modern
record of a production Viking has survived, and most motorcycle
historians discount this story.

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .


 * SLMR 2.1a * If you aren't sliding, you aren't riding.
                                                                                                          
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104583
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks)

In article <1993Apr20.184432.21485@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>	For the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is
>anywhere from 1/2" to 7/8" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded
>in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type
>locking mechanism.  I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's
>more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat
>in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8" model).
>
>	FYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck.

A word of warning, though:  Kryptonite also sells almost useless cable
locks under the Kryptonite name.

When I obtained my second motorcycle, I migrated one of my Kryptonite 
U-locks from my bicycle to the new bike.  I then went out shopping for
a new lock for the bicycle.

For about the same money ($20) I had the choice of a Kryptonite cable lock
(advantages: lock front and back wheels on bicycle and keep them both,
Kryptonite name) or a cheesy no-name U-lock (advantages: real steel).
I chose the Kryptonite cable.  After less than a week, I took it back in
disgust and exchanged it for the cheesy no-name U-lock.

First, the Krypto cable I bought is not made by Kryptonite, is not covered by
the Kryptonite guarantee, and doesn't even approach Kryptonite standards of
quality and quality assurance.  It is just some generic made-in-Taiwan cable
lock with the Kryptonite name on it.

Secondly, the latch engagement mechanism is something of a joke.  I
don't know if mine was a particularly poor example, but it was often
quite frustrating to get the latch to positively engage, and sometimes
it would seem to engage, only to fall open when I went to unlock it.

Thirdly, the lock has a little plastic door on the keyway which serves
the sole purpose of frustrating any attempt to insert the key in the 
dark.  I didn't try it (obviously), but I have my doubts that the 
lock mechanism would stand up to an "insert screwdriver and TORQUE"
attack.

Fourthly, the cable was not, in my opinion, of sufficient thickness to 
deter theft (for my piece of crap bicycle, that is).  All cables suffer the
weakness that they can be cut a few strands at a time.  If you are patient
you can cut cables with fingernail clippers.  Aviation snips would go 
through the cable in well under a minute.



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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104584
From: pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last 

Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:

: Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Another newbie bites the dust, eh?  They'll learn.

Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was
in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag.

Most of the people who made this group interesting 3 or 4 years ago
are no longer around and I only have time to make a random sweep
once a week or so. Hence I missed most of this thread. 

Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm,
wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I
assumed you were serious. Mea culpa.

Still, it's nice to see that BNR are doing so well that they can afford
to overpay some contractors to sit and read news all day.


-- 
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Pete Young        	  pky@fmg.bt.co.uk        Phone +44 473 227151
    "Most people prefer entertaining nonsense to unexciting reality"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104585
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

In article <1993Apr19.193331.11327@sarvax.cmhnet.org>, frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org (Jeff 'Frog' Campbell) writes:
|> From article <C5px3n.Kw0@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers):
|> > 
|> > ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the
|> > Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end
|> > of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath?  I seem to slice the pinkie
|> > of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!).
|> 
|> It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm).

OH yes they do! but considering i never wash my BMW (unless i need
to work on it) i never get cuts untill the tools come out.....
altho the best scar (now faded) was from the exhaust piper,
while try to change the oil, after overheating the engine (watch
out for idiot drivers that won't let you pass in the mountains
when you have a rider, case of oil (it was on sale), and case of 
beer), with a drain bolt that decided to seize.

just how does everyone else clean out the area under the transmission
on a BMW R bike? they only way i have found is to remove the
engine and transmission. that and the clutch arm are impossible to
clean (which is wear one of the EC (s&m) are located).


laz
Ps anyone know where i can get the heads polished and ported
cheap. also how much should that run.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104586
From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields)
Subject: Question????

This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene
I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD? 

					Thanks,

					Jonathan D. Fields
					fields@cis.ohio-state.edu


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104587
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?

In article <C5KxAL.IzC@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>  I beleive it's called the "Dentabox" frame. 
>
>Nothing some putty and paint won't fix.

  This from someone riding a GSXR?  Gutsy.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104588
From: rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert)
Subject: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
(read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).

This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
I want her to hold onto me  :-)   rather than the grab rail out back, and
I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional
signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???

I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that
she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated...

Thanks,
        -Bob-
-- 
Bob Wert        rmw@genie.gene.com        rwert@well.sf.ca.us
DoD#0302        AMA#510680      '90 Ninja 750R        '89 Mustang 5.0LX
  ...Seven turns on the highway, Seven rivers to cross,
     Sometimes you feel like you can fly away, Sometimes you get lost...

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104589
From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: Yamaha vs Honda opinions



I am in hte market for a new bike (been without for a few years).
The two main bikes I'm looking at seriously are
The Yamaha Virago 535 and the Honda Shadow VLX 583. 
I am leaning towards the Yamaha for its shaft drive, the Honda is Chain.
Insurance in Fla. is more costly than I thought, so I am staying in this
power range. Thanks in advance for any opinions and or experiences

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104590
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

|> 
|> So, Take you own advice and wuit you whining about
|> flames.
|> 

No brains and he can't spell either.

.edu?? I hope you're not a student at Duke...
you would be wasting your tuition.


===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104591
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <13516@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, 
|get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your 
|whining.
|
|Fine.
|
|Fuck off too.
|
|If you noticed, it was in 91, more than two years ago,
|and YES, I've learned, and it's cost me.
|
|And yes, I've known people (friends and relatives) who've
|been involved in drunk-related accidents (not them, they were hit)
|and my cousin is still recovering.
|
|No, I can't take back what happened.
|
|Yes, it was stupid.
|
|But, by reminding me about it all the time, you're
|neither helping me or yourself, so stuff your opinion.

Hey, man, you brought it up.  I agree completely, driving drunk is really
stupid, and I understand and appreciate that you feel bad about it.  But
DWI is endemic in our society.  It is a REAL problem.  And we, as 
motorcyclists, can be in the worst of vulnerable positions around a drunk
driver.  (Alert readers might remember that last year I witnessed a DWI
accident (right bloody in front of me), and was unable to save the life 
of one of the participants, as I reported here.)  Also, drunk driving by
motorcyclists is a prime cause of their injury and death, which raises the
insurance rates, forces stupidly restrictive laws, and turns the public
against those of us who ride responsibly.

In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence.
It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue,
but a genuine safety issue.  So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto,
admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the 
consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104592
From: stefan@prague (Stefan Fielding-Isaacs)
Subject: Racelist: WHO WHAT WHERE


 Greetings fellow motorcycle roadracing enthusiasts!

 BACKGROUND
 ----------

 The racing listserver (boogie.EBay.sun.com) contains discussions 
 devoted to racing and racing-related topics. This is a pretty broad 
 interest group. Individuals have a variety of backgrounds: motojournalism, 
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 The size of the list grows weekly. We are currently at a little
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 The list was formed (October 1991) in response to a perceived need 
 to both provide technical discussion of riding at the edge of 
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 ratio found in rec.motorcycles. Anyone is free to join.

 Discussion is necessarily limited by the rules of the list to 
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 HOW TO GET THE DAILY DISTRIBUTION
 ---------------------------------

 You are welcome to subscribe. To subscribe send your request to:


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 Traffic currently runs between five and twenty-five messages per day
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   NB: Please do _not_ send your subscription request to the
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 After you have contacted the list administrator, you will receive
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-- 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104593
From: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: KREME

In article <1993Apr14.143716.18174@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Hi folks!		
>
>Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only	
>one man's opinion.  	
>
>Any one else have any experience with the stuff?	
>
>

On my 59 sporty I had some pinhole leaks open up on the back seam.  I kreme
it about a year ago and have had no problems at all.  Be real careful as
the cleaning part of the solution is hell on paint.
  -Jim

-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104594
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:

>In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org> craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig)  
>writes:
>> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>> 

>Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley.
>Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my
>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>other, from what I can tell.


  When we take a hand off the bars we fall down!

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       








Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104595
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?

In <ramarren-150493134758@kops.apple.com> ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi) writes:

>>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,
>>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT?  That way, next time some guy comes up
>>to me in some parking lot and sez "hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox
>>frame on there?" I can say something besides "duh, er, huh?"


  I beleive it's called the "Dentabox" frame. 

Nothing some putty and paint won't fix.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       







Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104596
From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18

In article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com>, ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:
|> 
|> How about someone letting me know MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #19 ?
|> 
|> The far side of my instrument panel was scuffed when the previous owner
|> dumped the bike. Same is true for one of the turn signals.
|> 
|> Both of the scuffed areas are black plastic.
|> 
|> I recall reading somewhere, that there was some plastic compound you could coat
|> the scuffed areas with, then rub it down, ending with a nice smooth shiny 
|> finish ?
|> 

In the May '93 Motorcyclist (pg 15-16), someone writes in and recomends using
rubberized undercoating for this. 

-- 
Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu)	NCSA Networking Development Group
'93 CBR600F2			'78 KZ650		'83 Subaru GL 4WD

- I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me -

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104597
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article L2A@well.sf.ca.us, pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone) writes:
>
>Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins
>left to go left?  :-)  Or am I confusing two threads here?

Three, actually.  I believe I discussed countersteering a horse
before.

Basically, there are two ways to steer a horse, plow-rein and
neck-rein.  Plow-reining steers him by keeping the reins separate, and
you pull in the direction you wish to go.  Neck-reining steers a horse
by holding the reins together in one hand, and pulling against the
horse's neck in the direction you wish to go.  When training a
plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins
under his necks.  Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein
pulls against the right side of the neck, but the left side of the bit
(which the horse is used to from his plow-reining days).

Are you sorry you asked yet?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104598
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

In article 734919391@u.washington.edu, moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
>
>So what should I carry if I want to comply with intelligent helmet laws?

Take up residence in a fantasy world. 

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104599
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Moving On

Well, it's been fun. This is my last day at Bellcore and
It will be a while before I have net access again (taking
time off and scheduling Military Schools for the summer
on joint operations, and anything else that looks good).
I have had a blast reading, responding and commenting on
things posted here. My final say is 9mm's are inferior
to .45's errr oh wrong news group. Hopefully I'll be back.
I guess "internet withdrawl" starts around 1pm or so and
considering I never knew inet existed 2 years ago I am
really going to miss it. 

OH yea, to the guy who called me this morning about the
"Military issue" boots, good luck, I think you will be
happy with the tankers boots.
-- 
##########################################################
There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES 
                 and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH	DoD #956   #2 Next raise
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104600
From: jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito)
Subject: Re: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?


In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

   Request for opinions:	

   Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?


   We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the 
   1-pc is better protection,..."	

   Thanks in advance,
   Nadine


What is best? Books have been written on that! But in regard to
AeroStich it really depends on your particular size, shape and needs.
If you upper and lower body are not proportional (according to aero
dimensions) then it probably is going to be better mixing and matching
the 2 piece suit. I have the 2 piece suit and I am very happy with it.
Having my life quota of scars from crashing off road, I am very
concerned with good protection and I believe that the difference in
protection between the 1 and 2 piece suits is almost negligible. I
think the optional hip pads and back protector make much more of a
difference. One thing that is nice about the 2 piece is if you go
somewhere and then want to walk around for a while (still with jacket)
you can just detach and stow the pants. 

One thing to note is that Goldfine has problems getting a good fit for
many women (with standard suits). Supposedly for smaller women (and
petite men for that matter) the 1 piece will fit better. 

Another recommendation is to pay for mods if you need them. I wish I
got 2-3 inches added to my pant legs. I find the Long suits are not
really that long (I can't imagine how short the standard suits must
be). 

--
Jonathan E. Polito 		    Internet: jpolito@encore.com
Encore Computer Corp, 901 Kildaire Farm Rd, Cary, NC  27511  USA
919-481-3730/voice  				919-481-3868/FAX

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104601
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc

In article 1@cs.cmu.edu, jfriedl+@RI.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl) writes:
>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>|> 
>|> An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>|> thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it." 
>
>I can see the liability of putting stickers on the car while it was moving,
>or something, but it's the BDI that chooses to start and then drive the car
>in a known unsafe condition that would (seem to be) liable. 

An effort was made to remove the sticker.  It came to pieces, leaving
most of it firmly attached to the window.  It was dark, and around
10:00 pm.  The sticker (before being mangled in an ineffective attempt
to be torn off) warned the car would be towed if not removed.  A
"reasonable person" would arguably have driven the car.  Had an
accident occured, I don't think my friend's attorney would have much
trouble fixing blame on the apartment mangement.

As a practical matter, even without a conviction, the cost and
inconvenience of defending against the suit would be considerable.

As a moral matter, it was a pretty fucking stupid thing to do for so
paltry a violation as parking without an authorization sticker (BTW, it
wasn't "somebody's" spot, it was resident-only, but unassigned,
parking).

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104602
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?

In article 150493174345@17.127.11.85, jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin) writes:
>
>I can file a complaint about this? And actually have the chance to have
>something done? How? Who? Where?

A traffic citation is an accusation of having committed a crime.
That's why they have to go through the motions of having a trial if you
want one, you are still innocent until proven guilty.  Cops are not the
only ones who can accuse people of committing crimes, anyone who
witnesses a crime can do so.

Go to the Highway Patrol and explain the situation, give them a
description of the car and the license number, and tell them the
specific violation of the law which you witnessed and wish to prosecute
(ie, search the Vehicle Code and have the section number handy).  Fill
out the ticket and sign it.  It will go through the same system any
ticket a cop writes goes through.  If contested, you will have to
appear in court to prosecute.  Your word will not carry the same weight
as a cop's.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104603
From: michaelb@compnews.co.uk (Michael Burton)
Subject: Performance Bike Frenzy at Cadwell

Is anyone going to the P.B frenzy at Cadwell park in May.
I am going, but only to watch.


--
	When asked what would I most want to try before doing it, 
		     	    I said Death. 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104604
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
>
>I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my
>*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention.
>
>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
>how long it would take me to push my horn button??

If we do, I think you'd loose.  Sure, you're hand's already on the
throttle.  And your thumb is already near the horn button.  Pushing the
horn button is one simple move.  Revving the throttle requires either
engaging the clutch, or accelerating.  The first is a more complex
manuver than a simple horn button push, and the second ain't too bright
when there is a potential hazard ahead.  Besides, the unique sound of a
horn is more effective in attracting the attention of BDI cagers than
is the sound of an engine, which is what they expect to hear (you are
on the road!).

As is usually the case, a single anecdote hardly constitutes sound
safety procedure.

The answer is 161.33 feet.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104605
From: Brian.Vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu (Brian Vaughan)
Subject: For Sale: Kawasaki EX500 (Michigan)

                             * FOR SALE *
                        From Ann Arbor, Michigan

1988 Kawasaki EX-500 
6682 miles
Cherry Red
Excellent condition
Asking $2300

Contact Brian at (313) 747-1604 (days)  
                 (313) 434-7284 (evenings & weekends)
              or e-mail at vaughan@umich.edu...or reply to this post.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104606
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: BDI Experience

Sebastian C Sears, on the Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:32:13 GMT wibbled:

:                  ... Came around a right hand sweeper (going around
: 	45 mph) only to find a cager going around 30 mph, calmly driving 
:       along, with no other traffic around, in *my* lane. Not crossing 
:       the line, not swerving, fully and totally within the south-bound 
:       lane of 9W (one lane each direction). 


And I haven't even got there yet.  Must have been some other Brit...
--

Nick (the English Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Left is Right

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104607
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

Mike Sixsmith, on the 16 Apr 93 10:07:55 GMT wibbled:

[ very interesting (yawn) stuff deleted, because I'm like that... ]

: Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to
: be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering
: theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
: the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.
: And that was my original point.

: Mike


I am in complete concordance with you there, Mike.  I was a Silver StarRider
instructor, for a while.  I learn't about countersteering last year
and I have been riding bikes since 1976.  We were never told about
countersteering when being taught to instruct.  It doesn't seem to have
affected me or my friends or pupils.  We just rode in blissful ignorance.
--

Nick (the Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104608
From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <viking.734937529@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>
>mere 20mph or so, gravel road with few loose rocks on it (as in,
>just like bad concrete), and 2200lbs of swinging beef jumped a
>fence, came out of the ditch, and rammed me!  When I saw her jump
>the fence I went for the gas, since she was about 20 feet ahead
>of me but a good forty to the side.  Damn cow literally chased me
>down and nailed me.  No damage to cow, a bent case guard and a
>severely annoyed rider were the only casualties.  If I had my
>shotgun I'd still be eating steak.  Nope, if 2200lbs of cow
>can hit me when I'm actively evading, forget a much more
>manueverable dog.  Just run them over.
>

One day out riding, my friend and i were passing a field of goats and
noticed 2 out on the road. As we slowed to pass the ram made a dash at 
my friend just missing him and then tangling it self up in the barb wire
fence. Being good samaritains and generally nice guys we turned around to 
untrangle the goat from the barbed wire. As I pulled up next to him
(seeing him still tangled up), stopped the bike and got off the Goat had
vanished (into the field I guess).

		Jolly Roger


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104609
From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)

--
In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu 
(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
|>>
|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
|>>>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
|>>
|>>	Does this count?
|>
|>Yes.  He thought about it.
|>>
|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
|>>							 return...)

Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even 
tried to get my FAQ's straight.  Don't holler BOHICA at me!
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|     |\/\/\/|      ___________________                              |
|     |      |     /                   \                             |
|     |      |    /  Jamie W. Burnside  \     1980 CB900 Custom      |
|     | (o)(o)   (  jburnside@ll.mit.edu )    1985 KDX200 (SOLD!)    |
|     C      _) / \_____________________/     1978 CB400 (for sale)  |
|      | ,___| /                                                     |
|      |    /                                                        |
|      / __\                                                         |
|     /     \                                                        |
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104610
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Anti Freeze

Anti Freeze

I was wrong, still had the issue of "Street Rodder" in
my last pile. In the February 1991 issue on page 24 there
is an advirtisement for anti freeze.
 
AND IT MAKES A GREAT PARTY MIXER
The Neo Synthetic Oil Company has a reputation for
developing overkill priducts the protect and extend
the life of mechinical things, and here is there latest
development. Propylene Glycol, probably the finest radiator 
coolant available. After 100,000 miles of testing, they find
it has a boiling point of 365 degrees (much higher than
conventional coolants)- which helps elminate detonation and 
pinging, it allows the use of smaller radiators in race cars,
it will not damage aluminum blocks or heads, and it is 
environmentally safe. Yep, this is the good stuff.
Baker Precision Products
Dept SRM
2865 Gundry Ave
Long Beach Ca 90806
[213] 427-2375

I neither endorse or unendorse the above product, I only
copied the advert blurb for others info, YMMV
-- 
##########################################################
There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES 
                 and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH	DoD #956   #2 Next raise
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104611
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article 734954875@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>
>Secondly, it is the adhesion of the
>tyre on the road, the suspension geometry  and the ground clearance of the
> motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and
>not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously
>suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster
>or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise??

If he's not, I will.  Put two riders on identical machines.  It's the
one who knows what he's doing, and why, that will be faster.  It *may*
be possible to improve your technique if you have no idea what it is,
through trial and error, but it is not very effective methodology.
Only by understanding the technique of steering a motorcycle can one
improve on that technique (I hold that this applies to any human
endeavor).

>that's all it is - an interesting bit of knowledge, and to claim that
>it is essential for all bikers to know it, or that you can corner faster
>or better as a result, is absurd.

Do you consider an understanding of the physics of traction absurd?
Are you seriously suggesting that one can form a traction management
policy without understanding what it is or what factors increase or
decrease available traction?  Braking?

It is highly unlikely that any biker is going to develop his maximum
swerving ability without any knowledge of turning techniques.  For most
of his riding life this may not be a problem, but in an emergency
situation it is very definately placing him at a disadvantage.

>But by including countersteering
>theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
>the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.

I disagree.  The existance and immense success of riding courses which
teach the technique indicate that the concept can be taught in a manner
that is neither confusing, nor detracts from any other aspects of the
course.

>And that was my original point.

Perhaps, but in the ensuing discussion, you strayed far from that
point, to claim that knowledge of steering technique is irrelevant to a
rider's ability.  I find this assertion ludicrous.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104612
From: nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby)
Subject: Re: BMW battery

: In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
: >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive,
: >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns
: >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer.                 

: What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know
: numerous people that are still using the original battery in there
: 8-10 year old beemers.

THe original battery in an 8-10 year old BMW may be fine.  Mine lasted many
years.  The replacement 30AH battery from BMW was a disaster.  The mechanic
from Comp. Acc. told me that CA would warantee replace the bad one with a
new one of the same evil bad batteries and tell the customer if they have
problems to bring it back and they'd do it again.  It seems that many of
those 30AH batteries were DOA, near-DOA, and always unlikely to be going
strong by the end of the warantee period on them.  THere was a big batch of
bad ones, and they replaced them with -you guessed it - more bad ones.  BMW
switched to a 25AH battery that has more cold cranking amps, even if it has
less total juice.  

I switched to a YUASA that has even more cold cranking amps and cost one
third fewer dollars.


Neil Kirby      DoD #0783       nak@archie.cbusa.att.com
AT&T Bell Labs  Columbus OH     USA (614) 860-5304
If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104613
From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (RPH)
Subject: Power Arc II Ignition, Super E Carb

Now the bike is off warranty, I finally replaced the stock items on my
Softail Custom with the title ones. Installation was pretty easy in
both cases, even for a fairly non-mechanical chemist type dude like me!
 I discovered the limitations of my tool collection, but had fun buying
and making the requisite tools!

MC Ignitions Power Arc II Single Fire Ignition: easy to install, but
read the wiring diagram carefully!  Setting the static timing was a
piece of cake.  Once installed, I have found easier starting, smoother
idle, and more power, plus a more satisfying (to me) bass note in the
exhaust register...a lovely whompa-whompa-whompa idle  :-)
The folks at MC Ignitions were great in answering my dumb questions on
the phone..... a very helpful bunch of guys with a great product.

S&S Super E Carb: installation easy, once I hacked down an Allen wrench
to a small anough reach to get at the intake manifold bolts. Tunes like
a dream, just like they say!  The stock carb (non-adjustable) was so
lean that it was gasping and spluttering for gas sometimes, and even
backfiring into the intake manifold. The Super E is terrific, no
hesitation in any gear, and my plugs are a lovely tan color with no
need to rejet from the factory settings!

I know this may not seem like much to you grizzled veteran wrenchers
out there, but I had my bike in so many pieces this weekend I began to
get worried. But it all went back together again, and runs like a
dream, so I am feeling pretty happy.

Now all I have to do is install my BUB pipes and try to pass the NH
Noise Gestapo Test!


Russ Hughes  '92 FXSTC  DoD# 6022(10E20)
"Love ...yeah, that's the feeling you get when you like something
as much as your motorcycle."
                                --Sonny Barger

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104615
From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

In regards ot some of the posts concerning bias in articles of k bikes
versis /2's or boxers of a later date or whatever.. Jeezzz, Lighten up!
I wrote the slash two blues for a bit of humor which seems to be lacking
in the MOA Owners News, when most of the stuff is "I rode the the first
day, I saw that, I rode there the second day, I saw this" 
any body out there know were the sense if humor went in people?
I though I still had mine, but I dunno... 
Regards 
Craig Vechorik
BMW MOA Ambassador #9462
DOD #843
And hey, I just want ya'll to vote.. O.K.? for SOMEBODY instead of throwing
it in the trash...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104616
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1qmetg$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
[...]
>horse's neck in the direction you wish to go.  When training a
>plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins
>under his necks.  Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein
           ^^^^^
[...]
>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
[...]


Given my desire to stay as far away as possible from farming and ranching
equipment, I really hate to jump into this thread.  I'm going to anyway,
but I really hate it.

Ed, exactly what kind of mutant horse-like entity do you ride, anyway?
Does countersteering work on the normal, garden-variety, one-necked horse?

Obmoto:  I was flipping through the March (I think) issue of Rider, and I
saw a small pseudo-ad for a book on hand signals appropriate to motorcycling.
It mentioned something about a signal for "Your passenger is on fire."  Any
body know the title and author of this book, and where I could get a copy?
This should not be understood as implying that I have grown sociable enough
to ride with anyone, but the book sounded cute.




-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104617
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a front tire.

Hey folks--

I've got a pair of Dunlop sportmax radials of my ZX-10, and they've been
very sticky (ie no slides yet), but all this talk about the Metzelers has
me wondering if my next set should be a Lazer comp K and a radial Metzeler
rear...for hard sport-touring, how do the choices stack up?

Nathaniel
ZX-10
DoD 0812
AMA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104618
From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted


In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says:

>In article <1qhm02$mbs@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes:
>>In a previous article, markb@wc.novell.com (M. Burnham) says:

>>>Ducati 400's are REALLY slow.  They don't sell them over here in US,
>>>but considering that the 750SS is not too powerful, the 400 is gonna'
>>>be a dog.

>>Oh yeah, 12.10 at 108 mph in the quarter is such a slug.  Come on, when was
>>the last time you used your 750s max power peak?  I think maybe you should
>>ride one first, before passing judgement, there is a lot more than just
>>maximum acceleration. 

>I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin
>desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd
>cylinder would go? A 12 second 1/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all.

Sorry, I should have been more specific.  The 750 SS ran the quater in
12.10 @ 108.17.  The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is
a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @
103.  Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105.

BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out
run that.  It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old
KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on.  Technology stands still for
no-one...

-- 
Al Bowers  DOD #900  Alfa  Ducati  Hobie  Kottke  'blad  Iaido  NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
                                             -Mary Chapin-Carpenter

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104619
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article <1qmi34$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
[...]
>>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
>>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
>>how long it would take me to push my horn button??
>
[...]
>
>The answer is 161.33 feet.
>
>---
>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
[...]

Try something like 24.2 feet. 

EdGetACalculator



-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104620
From: craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig)
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)

cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes:

> Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the 
> the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
> (I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)
> 
> Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM.

	It can be done, contact Chaparell cycle supply, they ought to have
the sprocket you need/want for cheap, well much cheaper than your average
dealership. Hey they even had sprockets for my VF1000R which is hard to find
accesssories for. 

					-Craig. 


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104621
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:

>blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are
>long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end?

>I eagerly await comment.


Well, my driveway is... Just keep an eye out for the blue GLH Turbo that 
utilizes the "hit-the-ground-running" merging technique. 
At least I don't have a dog that you need worry about.

Last week while entering a sand/gravel covered intersection in the country, 
I caught something unkosher out of the corner of my eye (you know that 
disgusting sensation when great, as-of-yet unidentified, evil is about to 
intimately acquaint itself with you-- kind of like knowing that that darkening 
shadow around you just cannot possibly be anything even remotely good, because
it probably has something to do with a Boeing 747 behaving, gravitationally
speaking, much like a brick).  Negotiating my way into this intersection that 
somehow reminded me of Daytona beach (sans H2O, sun, & babes) I manage to get a
glance at my impending destiny.  Lucifer's own DOG.  Hell's secret blend
of canine-- Doberman and Rottweiler (it moved with the grace of a Doberman,
yet had the hulk and jowels of the Rottweiler-- a creature with a definite
*wrong* end to be at).  The picture in my mirrors was fuzzy, but there was no 
mistaking the fangs and saliva trail.  
To shorten a verbose tale, my burly gaurdian-angels once again performed above
and beyond the call of duty, carried the bike through the sand-trap (I honestlyhave no idea how), and left the minion of Beelzebub with a face that 
suspiciously resembles a Metzler tread.  No blood, though-- Rats.

Moral: I'm not really sure, but more and more I believe that bikers ought 
       to be allowed to carry handguns.

-Erc.

_______________________________________________________________________________
C Eric Sundheim
GrandRapids, MI, USA
`90 Hondo VFR750f
DoD# 1138
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104622
From: DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan)
Subject: Re: European M/C Insurance

>--
>H. Marc Lewis               | "There are two kinds of people in the world --
>Olivetti North America      | those who divide everything in the world into
>marcl@mail.spk.olivetti.com | two kinds of things and those who don't"
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I thought it was:  "There are two kinds of people in the world.  Those who 
think there are two kinds of people and those who don't."


And then there's:  "There are three kinds of people in the world.  Those who 
like math and those who don't."

Obmoto:  Michigan weather forecast for Saturday:  high in the low 40s, 
chance of snow flurries, showers possible.  Enjoy the weather where you 
are.  Have a ride on me.


       Phil de Haan (DoD #0578) Why yes.  That is my 1974 Honda CL360.
=============================================================================
  "That's the nature of being an executive in America.  You have to rely on
    other people to do something you used to do yourself." -- Donald Fehr,
        executive director, Major League Baseball Players Association.
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104623
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago)
Subject: Route Suggestions?

As I won't be able to make the Joust this summer (Job related time 
conflict :'^{   ), I plan instead on going to the Rider Rally in 
Knoxville.

I'll be leaving from Chicago. and generally plan on going down along
the Indiana/Illinois border into Kentucky and then Tennessee.  I would 
be very interested in hearing suggestions of roads/routes/areas that 
you would consider "must ride" while on the way to Knoxville.

I can leave as early as 5/22 and need to arrive in Knoxville by 6PM
on 5/25.  That leaves me a pretty good stretch of time to explore on 
the way.

By the way if anyone else is going, and would like to partner for the 
ride down, let me know.  I'll be heading east afterward to visit family, 
but sure don't mind company on the ride down to the Rally.  Depending on 
weather et al. my plan is motelling/tenting thru the trip.

From the Rally I'll be heading up the Blue Ridge Parkway, then jogging
into West Va (I-77) to run up 219 -> Marlington, 28 -> Petersburg, 
55E -> I-81/I-66E.  After this point the route is presently undetermined
into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6).  Suggestions 
for these areas would be of great interest also.

Many thanks for your ideas,

Enjoy,

---
Steve Bunis,  Sun Microsystems     ***DoD #0795***	93-ST1100
              Itasca, IL	  ***AMA #682049***	78-KZ650
	(ARE YOU SURE THIS IS APRIL??????  B^|  )


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104624
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Subject: Re: where to put your helmet

>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 18:25:00 GMT, ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  said:
CB>        DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
CB>        FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!

Ryan> Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not.

This is very bad advice.  Helmets have two major impact absorbing
layers... a hard outer shell and a closed-cell foam impact layer.
Most helmets lose their protective properties because the inner liner
compacts over time, long before the outer shell is damaged or
delaminates from age.  Dr. Hurt tested helmets for many years
following his landmark study and has estimated that a helmet can lose
up to 80% of it's effectiveness from inner liner compression.  I have
a video he produced that discusses this phenomenon in detail.

Puncture compression of the type caused by mirrors, sissy bars, and
other relatively sharp objects is the worst offender.  Even when the
comfort liner is unaffected, dents and holes in the foam can seriously
degrade the effectiveness of a helmet.  If you are in the habit of
"parking your lid" on the mirrors, I suggest you look under the
comfort liner at the condition of the foam.  If it is significantly
damaged (or missing :-), replace the helmet.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104625
From: dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist

In article <C5r7Ey.7Mq@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:
>
>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"?            

Tough question -- more dangerous than driving a car, and far more
dangerous if you don't apply a modicum of intelligence to the 
activity.  Basically, stupidity will get you hurt/killed a lot
faster on a motorcycle than in a car.  But with care, it is
not unreasonably dangerous.  Also, buying good protective
clothing is helpful, that way if something does go wrong,
you are likely to be less severely injured.

First thing, if possible take a (MSF) driver training course,
this will get you started on the right foot -- they teach
control of the vehicle and safe riding practices.

Second, buy protective gear.  At minimum a good helmet
and a pair of leather gloves are a must.  A good sturdy 
piece of footgear is also very helpful, though leather hiking
boots, a pair of old army boots, or something similar works fine
for this purpose as long as you make sure the laces stay 
tied.  After those, a leather jacket and leather pants or chaps
are nice as well; but these are also expensive items.  For the
pants, many people consider a good pair of jeans to be reasonable,
preferably recent and of a fairly heavy weight.  Similarly for
a jacket, a good jean jacket is a reasonable compromise, though
more people tend to have leather jackets around than pants.  Another
thing to do is drop in on garage sales looking for a second-hand
leather jacket.  Look for a fairly thick leather in these items.

Third don't do anything stupid -- don't ride after 
drinking, even one drink can noticeably affect you judgement
and balance; don't ride in the snow, or when conditions
are such that black ice is likely; be very careful riding
in the rain -- slow way down, take corners gingerly, 
brake early and gently;  try not to ride if you are sick,
tired, taking any medication with drowsiness warnings, or
otherwise not in average shape.

With care, you should be ok.

>The next question I have is what bike would you recommend for
>a first time rider. I don't want to race; nor do I want to
>ride cross country; nor do I want to ride on dirt trails. I'll
>probably drive it on back roads with occasional rides on city
>streets and freeways. The maximum I can spend is about $2500 so
>I'll be looking at a used bike.

I would suggest mid to late 80's japanese mid-sized standard.
Something in 400-650 cc range would probably be reasonable.  If
you are shorter/lighter than average, you might want to go as
low as a 300-400 cc bike.

Possible models: 
The Suzuki GS### series (eg. GS500, GS650, etc.).  These are generally
inline 4 bikes, generally dependable except for a tendency to 
weakness in the charging system.  (Stator and/or Regulator/Rectifier 
problems.)  My first bike was a (about '82) GS650, it server me well.

The Honda Nighthawk series (this may also be known as the CB### series
I think).  eg. Honda CB450, CB650, etc.  This is another series of
standard motorcycles.  Also fairly dependable.

Kawasaki and Yamaha probably have similar bikes, but I don't know
them as well.

For mid to late '80s models of the above, you should be able to
buy the bike for under $2000, leaving you money for protective 
clothing and insurance and licensing costs.

Hope this helps,
-David
(dagibbs@qnx.com)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104626
From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion


In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:

   I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
   This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
   (read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
   fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).

I'd say this is a very bad idea - you should start out with something
much mellower so that neither one of you get in over your head.
That particular road requires full concentration - not the sort of
thing you want to take a passenger on for the first time.

Once you both decide that you like riding together, and want to do
something longer and more challenging, *then* go for a hard core road
like Mines-Mt. Hamilton.

In any case, it's *your* (moral) responsibility to make sure that she
has proper gear that fits - especially if you're going sport
riding.

- Eric

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104627
From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

In article <13612@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
:>Curtis JAckson pens...
:>
:>"MSF course...$140"
:
:Shyah!
:
:The one here only costs $35!
:
:(Izzat a deal or what?! :)


They are free in Philadelphia....   :-)

-- 
   '81 CB650 						DoD #1224

	   I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104628
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)

In article <1993Apr20.195116.123380@locus.com> dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
>In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
>>
>>>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>>       ^^^^^^
>>    excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.
>
>
>Squids are everybody but me and you.  Chris Behanna is especially a squid.

	Hey, Dana!  Long time, no read.  I'm afraid the squid rating has
gone up slightly since getting the Ninja, but I'm trying very hard to restrain
myself--the bodywork is just too damned expensive (knock, knock).

	At least it's quiet...

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104629
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
|
|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her 
|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!

Geez, what happened?  She got a ticket for driving too slow???

| ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

Oh, are you saying you're not an edu.breath, then?  Okay.


Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104630
From: frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro)
Subject: ST1100 ride

Sixteen days I had put off test driving the Honda ST1100.  Finally,
the 17th was a Saturday without much rain.  In fact it cleared up, 
became warm and sunny, and the wind died.  About three weeks ago, I
took a long cool ride on the Hawk down to Cycles! 128 for a test ride.
They had sold, and delivered, the demo ST1100 about fifteen hours
before I arrived.  And the demo VFR was bike-locked in the showroom --
surrounded by 150 other bikes, and not likely to move soon.

Today was different.  There were even more bikes.  50 used dirt bikes,
50 used street bikes, 35 cars, and a big tent full of Outlandishly Fat
Touring Bikes With Trailers were all squeezed in the parking lot.
Some sort of fat bike convention.  Shelly and Dave were running one
MSF course each, at the same time.  One in the classroom and one on
the back lot.  Plus, there was the usuall free cookout food that
Cycles! gives away every weekend in the summer.  Hmmm, it seemed like
a big moto party.

After about ten minutes of looking for Rob C, cheif of sales slime,
and another 5 minutes reading and signing a long disclosure/libility/
pray-to-god form I helped JT push the ST out into the mess in the
parking lot.  We went over the the controls, I put the tank bag from 
the Hawk into the right saddlebag, and my wife put everything else
into the left saddlebag.  ( Thats nice.... )  Having helped push the 
ST out to the lot, I thought it best to have JT move it to the edge of
the road, away from the 100+ bikes and 100+ people.  He rode it like a
bicycle!  'It cant be that heavy' I thought.

Well I was wrong.  As I sat on the ST, both feet down, all I could 
think was "big".  Then I put one foot up.  "Heavy" came to mind very
quickly.  With Cindy on the back -- was she on the back?  Hard to 
tell with seat three times as large as a Hawk seat -- the bike seemed
nearly out of control just idling on the side of the road.

By 3000 rpm in second gear, all the weight seemed to dissappear.  Even
on bike with 4.1 miles on the odometer, slippery new tires, and pads that 
did not yet bite the disks, things seems smooth and sure.  Cycles! is
on a section of 128 that few folks ever ride.  About 30 miles north
of the computer concentration, about five miles north of where I95
splits away, 128 is a lighly travelled, two lane limited access
highway.  It goes through heavily forested sections of Hamilton, 
Manchester-by-the-Sea and Newbury on its way to Gloucester.
On its way there, it meets 133, a road that winds from the sea about
30 miles inland to Andover.  On its way it goes through many
thoroughly New England spots.  Perfect, if slow, sport touring sections.

Cindy has no difficulty with speed.  3rd gear, 4th gear, purring along
in top gear.  This thing has less low rpm grunt that my Hawk.  Lane 
changes were a new experience.  A big heft is required to move this 
thing.  Responds well though.   No wallowing or complaint.  Behind the
fairing it was fairly quiet, but the helmet buffeting was
non-trivial.  Top gear car passing at 85mph was nearly effortless.
Smooth, smooth, smooth.   Not sure what the v4 sound reminds me of,
but it is pleasant.  If only the bars were not transmitting an endless
buzz.

The jump on to 133 caused me to be less than impressed with the
brakes.  Its a down hill, reversing camber, twice-reversing radius,
decreasing radius turn.  A real squeeze is needed on the front binder.  
The section of 133 we were on was tight, but too urban.  The ST works ok
in this section, but it shows its weight.  We went by the clam shack
oft featured in "Spencer for Hire" -- a place where you could really 
find "Spencer", his house was about 15 miles down 133.  After putting
through traffic for a while, we turned and went back to 128.

About half way through the onramp, I yanked Cindy's wrist, our singal
for "hold on tight".  Head check left,  time to find redline.  Second
gear gives a good shove.  Third too.  Fourth sees DoD speed with a 
short shift into top.  On the way to 133 we saw no cops and very light
traffic.  Did not cross into DoD zone because the bike was too new.
Well, now it had 25 miles on it, so it was ok.  Tried some high effort
lane changes, some wide sweeping turns.  Time to wick it up?  I went 
until the buffeting was threating to pull us off the seat.  And stayed
there.  When I was comfortable with the wind and the steering, 
I looked down to find an indicated 135mph.  Not bad for 2-up touring.

Beverly comes fast at more than twice the posted limit.  At the "get
off in a mile" sign, I rolled off the throttle and coasted.  I wanted
to re-adjust to the coming slowness.  It was a good idea:  there were
several manhole-sized patches of sand on the exit ramp.  Back to the 
slow and heavy behavior.  Cycles! is about a mile from 128.  I could 
see even more cars stacked up outside right when I got off.  I managed
to thread the ST through the cars to the edge of the concrete pad
out front.  Heavy.  It took way too much effort for Cindy and I to put
the thing on the center stand.  I am sure that if I used the side
stand the ST would have been on its side within a minute.


My demo opinion?  Heavy.  Put it on a diet.  Smooth, comfortable,
hardly notices the DoD speed.   I'd buy on for about $3000 less than 
list, just like it is.  Too much $ for the bike as it is.
-- 
	 Frank Evan Perdicaro 				Xyvision Color Systems
      Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.		101 Edgewater Drive
   inhouse: frank@marvin, x5572				Wakefield MA
outhouse: frank@contex.com, 617-245-4100x5572		018801285

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104631
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (The Beav)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

  [ some real stupid remarks ]
 ...
|> You and the Beav should lighten up (esp the Beav).  I agree that
 ...
  [ lots of serious dribble for no real reason ]
 ...

Hey, I don't really care, but when someone sends me
email telling me to fuck off, I get rather pissed.  If he posted
to the net, I could really care less, but sending mail
is just childish.  Mr. Infant(e) is just that, an infant.  Give 
him a few more years to grow up and maybe he'll learn some 
network etiquette.

If you can't stand the flames,
and you don't have the brains,
Stay out of the newsgroup.

Kind of catchy n'est pas?

-- 
===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104632
From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha)
Subject: Battery Charger


I just noticed that my halogen table lamp runs off 12 Volts.
The big thinngy that plugs into the wall says 12 Volts DC,  20mA

The question is: Can I trickle charge the battery on my CB650
with it?

I don't know the rating of the battery, but it is a factory
intalled one. 


Thanks,
Sanjay

-- 
   '81 CB650 						DoD #1224

	   I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104633
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Question????

In article <1r25ldINN9rp@frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu> fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) writes:
>This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene
>I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD? 

	This has to be a setup.  Lookit--same site as Arnie Skurow.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104634
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
>I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
>This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
>(read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
>fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).

	You sonuvabitch.  Rub it in, why don't you?  "We have great weather
and great roads here, unlike the rest of you putzes in the U.S.  Nyah, nyah,
nyah."

	:-) for the severely humor-impaired.

>This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
>of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
>I want her to hold onto me  :-)   rather than the grab rail out back, and
>I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
>turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional
>signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???

	You'll likely not notice her weight too much.  A piece of advice
for you:  don't be abrupt with the throttle.  No wheelies, accelerate a
wee bit more slowly than usual.  Consciously worry about spitting her off
the back.  It's as much your job to keep her on the pillion as it is hers,
and I guarantee she'll be put off by the bike ripping out from under her
when you whack it open.  Keep the lean angles pretty tame the first time
out too.  You and her need to learn each other's body English.  She needs
to learn what your idea is about how to take the turn, and you need to
learn her idea of "shit!  Don't crash now!" so you don't work at cross
purposes while leaned over.  You can work up to more aggressive riding over
time.

	A very important thing:  tell her to put her hand against the tank
when you brake--this could save you some severely crushed cookies.

Have fun,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104635
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted	  

In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes:
>
>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow 
>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has 
>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for 
>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way!

With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything
would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank
bag.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104636
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED -- HELP

What size dirtbikes did you ride? and for how long? You might be able to
slip into a 500cc bike. Like I keep telling people, though, buy an older,
cheaper bike and ride that for a while first...you might like a 500 Interceptor
as an example

Nathaniel
ZX-10
DoD 0812
AMA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104637
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

Tom Dietrich (txd@ESD.3Com.COM) wrote:
: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
: 
: >I bought it, I tried it:
: 
: >It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
: 
: >My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
: 
: Good, glad to hear it, I'm still studying it.
: 
: >I think life is now complete...The shaft drive weenies now
: >have no comeback when I discuss shaft effect.
: 
: Sure I do, even though I don't consider myself a weenie... 

---------------- rip! pithy "I'm afraid to work on my bike" stuff deleted ---

: There is also damn little if any shaft effect
: with a Concours. So there! :{P PPPpppphhhhhttttttt!!!
: 
Heh, heh...that's pretty funny. So what do you call it instead of shaft
effect?


Nathaniel
ZX-10  <--- damn little if any shaft effect
DoD 0812
AMA

p.s. okay, so it's flame bait, so what

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104638
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) wrote:

> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!

	The statement above is _true_ to the spirit of the list because
	it is a false statement.  Misinformation: that's the spirit, Bill.

	My /5 will do wheelies because it's a chain drive model.   

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104639
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)

>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:
Mike> Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

Sure.  In fact, you can do a wheelie on a shaft-drive motorcycle
without even moving.  Just don't try countersteering.

:-)
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104640
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Subject: Re: Re: Inverted Fork needed

In rec.motorcycles, Matthew Mark Mueller <mm7k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Help!
> 
> I need the left side inverted fork for a 92' GSX-R 750 so I can go to
> track practice at Nelson Ledges next weekend.  

Hey, what do we look like, a parts store?  Has it ever occurred to you to
visit your dealer and fork out the bucks for a new one?  What are the
chances of someone happening to have a '92 part laying around, much less
one in working condition?  Sheesh, some edu's.  

Besides, I only have the right side inverted GSX-R fork.  It's already been
converted into a floor lamp. 

-Jeff Deeney-  DoD#0498    NCTR                '88 XR600-Shamu 
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
It's too bad that whole families have to be torn apart by something as
simple as wild dogs.          -Jack Handey

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104641
From: nbetz@csi.compuserve.com (Nathan Betz)
Subject: First bike: Honda Ascot?

Hi folks.
 
I'm going to be buying my first bike and I'm considering an 82
Honda Ascot FT500 with less than 5K miles. Does this sound like a
reasonable choice? Is there anything special I need to know?
 
Thanks.
 
-Nathan


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104642
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Subject: Re: So, do any police ossifers read this stuff?

(J. R. Laferriere) writes:
%
% I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
% several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
% 

   What happened to Charlie Lear??  He used to have "connections",  didn't
   he?

   (Hey, this is cyberspace mister...  you wanna 'stateside cop, ya gotta'
   specify!)

-- 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104643
From: deeds@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com ( Dean Deeds)
Subject: GS1100E (was Re: buying advice needed)

In article <Afoi=te00j_jAnvopV@cs.cmu.edu> Dale.James@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>GS1100E.  It's a great bike, but you'd better be damn careful!  
>I got a 1983 as my third motorcycle, 
[...deleta...]
>The bike is light for it's size (I think it's 415 pounds); but heavy for a
>beginner bike.

Heavy for a beginner bike it is; 415 pounds it isn't, except maybe in
some adman's dream.  With a full tank, it's in the area of 550 lbs,
depending on year etc.

>You're 6'4" -- you should have no problem physically managing
>it.  The seat is roughly akin to a plastic-coated 2by6.  Very firm to very
>painful, depending upon time in the saddle.

The 1980 and '81 versions had a much better seat, IMO.

>The bike suffers from the infamous Suzuki regulator problem.  I have so far
>avoided forking out the roughly $150 for the Suzuki part by kludging in
>different Honda regulator/rectifier units from junkyards.  The charging system
>consistently overcharges the battery.  I have to refill it nearly weekly.
>This in itself is not so bad, but battery access is gained only after removing
>the seat, the tank, and the airbox.

My regulator lasted over 100,000 miles, and didn't overcharge the battery.
The wiring connectors in the charging path did get toasty though,
tending to melt their insulation.  I suspect they were underspecified;
it didn't help that they were well removed from cool air.

Battery access on the earlier bikes doesn't require tank removal.
After you learn the drill, it's pretty straightforward.

[...]
>replacement parts, like all Suzuki parts, are outrageously expensive.

Having bought replacement parts for several brands of motorcycles,
I'll offer a grain of salt to be taken with Dale's assessment.

[...]
>Good luck, and be careful!
>--Dale

Sentiments I can't argue with...or won't...
-- Dean Deeds
	deeds@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104644
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Newbie

In article <C5swox.GwI@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, os048@xi.cs.fsu.edu () writes:
|>  hey there,
|>     Yea, thats what I am....a newbie. I have never owned a motorcycle,

This makes 5! It IS SPRING!

|> Matt
|> PS I am not really sure what the purpose of this article was but...oh well

Neither were we. Read for a few days, then try again.

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104645
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
	<...>	<...>
>This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
>of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
>I want her to hold onto me  :-)   rather than the grab rail out back, and
>I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
>turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional
>signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???

	I've never liked my passengers to try and shift their weight with the
	turns at all... I find the weight shift can be very sudden and
	unnerving. It's one thing if they're just getting comfortable or
	decide to look over your other shoulder, but I don't recommend having
	him/her shift her weight with each turn... too violent.
	
	Also (I think someone already said this) make sure your passenger
	wears good gear. I sometimes choose to ride without a helmet or
	lacking other safety gear (depends on how squidly I feel) but I
	won't let passengers do it. What I do to myself I can handle, but
	I wouldn't want to hurt anyone else, so I don't let them on without
	gloves, jacket, (at least) jeans, heavy boots, and a helmet that *fits*

>I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that
>she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated...

	Go *real* easy. It's amazing how solid a grip you have on the
	handle bars that your passenger does not. Don't make her feel like
	she's going to slide off the back, and "snappy" turns for you are
	sickening lurches for her. In general, it feels much less controlled
	and smooth as a passenger. I can't stand being on the back of my
	brother's bike, and I ride aggressively when i ride and I know he's
	a good pilot... still, everything feels very unsteady when you're
	a passenger. 


>Thanks,
>        -Bob-

	Show off by not showing off the first time out...

-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
 '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104646
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (The Beav)
Subject: DoD Confessional

I can't help myself.
I've tried to be rational, 
to look the other way,
but everytime it happens, 
its uncontrollable.

I hate pre'80s motorcycles.

At first I thought it was a phase.  I though I would
get used to them.  It didn't happen.  I tried gazing
at CB750s and 900 customs, but each time I sadistically
pictured them being hurled off of large precipice
(I also picture a swarm of german tourists cheering and
taking holiday snaps, but I can't figure that part out).

What am I to do?  Everytime I read a .sig containing 
some spoked wheel wonder, I shudder and feel pity that
the poor soul has suffered enough.  I imagine the owner
scrapping out his (or her) living in a discarded Maytag
refridgerator box, tucked in next to their CX500.

I'm hoping for some deliverance.  I had in the past loathed
the Milwaukee machine, but I can actually begin to understand
some of the preaching.  There must be hope. 

-- 
===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104647
From: jon@bigdog (Jon Wright)
Subject: Anybody tape Daytona?

In article <C5L5Fy.GH9@acsu.buffalo.edu> v060j5kb@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark W  
Olszowy) writes:
> I haven't seen anything about it yet, but if it's already been mentioned I'm
> sorry for the repost.  Anyways, TNN is showing Daytona on Sunday April 18
> at 7:00pm to 8:30pm (EST).  Don't miss it.  It's got a hell of a finish!

Well, I looked for it and didn't manage to find it in my listings for TNN.  Has  
anybody taped it VHS, and could they be persuaded to lend it to me after they  
watch it?  I would be most greatful.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jon Wright              "Now how the hell did              Pages Software Inc.
DoD #0823              THAT come outa my mouth?"                  '86 VFR700f2

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104648
From: jon@bigdog (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!)

In article <1993Apr16.171211.5772@colorado.edu> bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)  
writes:
> In article <bethdC5Juzw.18F@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
> >In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  
jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes:
> >>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote:
> >>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
> >>: in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
> >>
> >>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried
> >>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too
> >>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any 
> >>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy
> >>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that
> >>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly,
> >>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any?

There's an article in Motorcycling a couple of months back specifically on  
women's attire for serious and not-so-serious riding.  They do mention who  
makes stuff specific for women's dimensions, and what also works OK enough as  
well.  Bates will make custom jackets and leathers for a reasonable charge.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jon Wright              "Now how the hell did              Pages Software Inc.
DoD #0823              THAT come outa my mouth?"                  '86 VFR700f2

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104649
From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist

blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:

>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"?            

sorta.

>The next question I have is what bike would you recommend for
>a first time rider. 

'88 Honda Hawk

YMMV.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104650
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <1993Apr20.204831.19788@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <13516@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>|Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, 
>|get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your 
>|whining.
>|
>|Fine.
>|
>|Fuck off too.
>|
>|If you noticed, it was in 91, more than two years ago,
>|and YES, I've learned, and it's cost me.
>|
>|And yes, I've known people (friends and relatives) who've
>|been involved in drunk-related accidents (not them, they were hit)
>|and my cousin is still recovering.
>|
>|No, I can't take back what happened.
>|
>|Yes, it was stupid.
>|
>|But, by reminding me about it all the time, you're
>|neither helping me or yourself, so stuff your opinion.
>
>Hey, man, you brought it up.  I agree completely, driving drunk is really
>stupid, and I understand and appreciate that you feel bad about it.  But
>DWI is endemic in our society.  It is a REAL problem.  And we, as 
>motorcyclists, can be in the worst of vulnerable positions around a drunk
>driver.  (Alert readers might remember that last year I witnessed a DWI
>accident (right bloody in front of me), and was unable to save the life 
>of one of the participants, as I reported here.)  Also, drunk driving by
>motorcyclists is a prime cause of their injury and death, which raises the
>insurance rates, forces stupidly restrictive laws, and turns the public
>against those of us who ride responsibly.
>
>In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence.
>It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue,
>but a genuine safety issue.  So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto,
>admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the 
>consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes.
>
>Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of

You and the Beav should lighten up (esp the Beav).  I agree that
DUI/DWI is serious.  We should have reasonable laws, strict
enforcement, and tough sentences.  But, Andrew did not
post "looking for sympathy over the consequences."  He posted
asking for advice because he had an extremely high quote.  His
post was obviously valid because he later found insurance for LESS.
He noted why he was in his predicament but did not defend in
any way drunk driving (and has renounced drunk driving).  There
are too many repeat offenders to worry about and other BDC.
Why try to make this person who is no longer part of the problem
an outcast?  He has paid his debt to society.  Step off the high
horse.  We have all been irresponsible in the past.

With that said, I'm guilty of the same type of hostility towards
rapists.  I think it comes because I feel the punishment is not
severe enough.  The same may be true of DWI/DUI. If that is the
case, then it is our stinkin' gubment we need to change.  If 
we had a reasonable law about DWI/DUI with a stiff penalty
then fewer people would do it.  

At any rate, Andrew as paid his debt as defined by the law.
If you think that debt is actually greater than the law mandates, 
tell your 'representatives'.

Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104651
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering

In article <1qt19d$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au wrote:
>
>Let me guess.  You were making a left turn, correct?  The edge of the stud
>contacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself.  If you had 
>been making a right turn it would have tightened the stud. 

	Bzzzt! Thanks for playing.  If he'd been making a right
	turn, the sucker would have been a couple feet off the
	ground.

					Michael

-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104652
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted

martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes:



>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow 
>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has 
>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for 
>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way!

I've got a Belstaff tankbag on my FJ1100, and it ain't too good. It's
difficult to fix it securely cos of the the tank/fairing/sidepanel layout,
and also with the bars on full lock the bag touches the handlebar switches,
so you get the horn on full left lock and the starter motor on full right!!
If I was buying another I think I'd go for a magnetic one.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104653
From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: Re: Help!  Which bikes are short?


I'm not sure on the older bikes, but the Yamaha Virago 535 has spec'd
seat height of 27.6 in. and the Honda Shadow 27.2 in. 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104654
From: CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras)
Subject: Need Maintenance tips


After reading the service manual for my bike (Suzuki GS500E--1990) I have
a couple of questions I hope you can answer:

When checking the oil level with the dip stick built into the oil fill
cap, does one check it with the cap screwed in or not?  I am more used to
the dip stick for a cage where the stick is extracted fully, wiped clean
and reinserted fully, then withdrawn and read.  The dip stick on my bike
is part of the oil filler cap and has about 1/2 inch of threads on it.  Do
I remove the cap, wipe the stick clean and reinsert it with/without
screwing it down before reading?

The service manual calls for the application of Suzuki Bond No. 1207B on
the head cover.  I guess this is some sort of liquid gasket material.  do
you know of a generic (cheaper) substitute?

My headlight is a Halogen 60/55 W bulb.  Is there an easy, brighter
replacement bulb available?  Where should I look for one?

As always, I very much appreciate your help.  The weather in Philadelphia
has finally turned WARM.  This weekend I saw lotsa bikes, and the riders
ALL waved.  A nice change of tone from what Philadelphia can be like. . . .

Chris

-- 
*******************************************************************
Christopher G. Karras
Internet:    CGKarras@world.std.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104655
From: bss2p@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Brent S. Stone)
Subject: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist  (Ditto)

In article <C5r7Ey.7Mq@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:
>


	I'm thinking about becoming a bike owner this year
w/o any bike experience thus far.  I figure that getting a 
decent used bike for under $1K the thing would pay for itself
while I'm at grad school (car permits are $$$ where I'm going
and who want's to ride a bus).  I'm looking for advice
on a first bike - best models/years.  I'm NOT looking for
an old loud roaring thing that sounds like a monster.  The
quit whirring of newer engines is more to my liking.

Apprec any advice.

Thanks,

BS




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104656
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
mjs>Well, there are just as many courses here and elsewhere that do *not*
mjs>teach the technique, yet seem to be rather successful...

Sure.  You don't miss what you never had.  Those poor sods don't know
what they're missing.  I guess ignorance is bliss, eh Mike?

Mr. Bill
-- 
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 +   '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago"   +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+  DoD AMA ICOA NIA  + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104657
From: conboymj@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael J Conboy)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

One point not yet mentioned:
	Hands on the driver's shoulders are a definite no-no.  It feels
good for the passenger to stretch her arms, and a shoulder massage feels
good too, but the shoulders are connected to the arms, and the arms to
the handlebars...  Should you hit the brakes, the pressure on the shoulders
can make steering interesting.

Bundle her up if it's cold, make sure she has good gear (say it again),
an pat her thigh to let her know all is great.

Good luck!		Mike

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104658
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: story 

lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:

>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the
>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of
>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The
>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The
>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY?


And still we wonder why they stereotype us...

-Erc.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104659
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: Mail order response time

In article <34650@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) writes:
|> I have ordered many times from Competition accesories and ussually
|> get 2-3 day delivery.  Once they had to backorder something, but they
|> sent me a card to say it would be two weeks.  Came in 10 days or so.
|> 

ordered 2 fork seals and 2 guide bushings from CA for my FZR.  two weeks later
get 2 fork seals and 1 guide bushing.  call CA and ask for remaining *guide*
bushing and order 2 *slide* bushings (explain on the phone which bushings are
which; the guy seemed to understand).  two weeks later get 2 guide bushings.

*sigh*

how much you wanna bet that once i get ALL the parts and take the fork apart
that some parts won't fit?

axel


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104660
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: exhaust coating

since at least one other person was interested in this:

my FZR's black exhaust pipes are rusty and i researched getting them repaired.
yesterday i bought a can of VHT 1500 degree black header paint and spent an
hour sanding two of the header pipes by hand.  sprayed on paint.  thought
about how clean i was able to get the metal with sanding and determined that
i wouldn't be at all suprised if the paint wore/chipped off in a month.

soooo call a couple of places up in minneapolis and discover that powder
coating, while extremely durable, will not handle over ~600 degree
temperatures.  the place i talked to said they were experimenting with
some new powder that is supposed to handle 1100 degrees but that it wouldn't
be available for months at least.  they directed me to another shop that
specializes in header coating.

the other shop said they have 2 coatings available.  one is aluminized that
can do 1200+ degrees and is "comparable" to powder coating for durability.
the other is silicon (i think) based and can do 1800+ degrees (!) but is
thinner and not as durable.  both coatings have a textured finish (not
super smooth) and should be cleaned with hot water and a brush.

price for 4 1-foot header pipes and a 2-foot 4-2-1 collector was ~$100.  i'm
planning to take the parts up friday and get them back (UPS) next week maybe
wednesday.

sounds to me like this kind of coating stuff should be way better than paint
considering how much abuse the pipes get from road crap/rocks.

axel

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104661
From: gruncie@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gillian E Runcie CS92)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

being a mere female, I have often found I can't really take the big offensive line with asshole car drivers, so I found a more subtle and nastly
ooops I mean nasty way to get back at them. If somebody cuts you up, just wait till they have pulled out past you, and then gently lean over and
bend their aerial, every time I have done that it has eventually snapped
off near the base - which tends to go undetected for a while and is a bummer to replace.


gillian

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104662
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
mjs>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don't even need to tell people
mjs>the technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first
mjs>time they try to go round a corner.

karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
karr>Are you sure?  Remember that you *can* get around corners without
karr>countersteering.  In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors
karr>claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike
karr>turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight
karr>around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite
karr>direction.  (I admit I've never actually seen this.)

I've experienced this, back when I was young(er) and (more) foolish...

My first bike used to track extremely true.  Going down the highway,
I would set the throttle tension screw up enough to hold the gas
steady, slide back on the seat and lean against the backrest, riding
without any hands.  If I needed to turn, I'd shift my weight into the
turn, and lo and behold, the bike would turn, sans touching the bars!
Granted, it wouldn't turn very fast, but it proves that you can turn
a bike without countersteering, at least not in terms of the input
to the bar normally associated with countersteering.

As I've said, I know many people who think all you do is lean, and any
input they're giving to the bar is totally unconscious.  Whereas that
may be sufficient to get you down the road under normal circumstances,
possibly for years at a stretch, I can't think of anybody who'd argue
that this is preferable to properly knowing how to manipulate the bar
in a turn, regardless of what you want to call it.

Except maybe for Mr. Sixsmith...  ;^)

Mr. Bill
-- 
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 +   '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago"   +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+  DoD AMA ICOA NIA  + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104663
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Insurance discount

Hola amigos,

Quiero... I need an answer to a pressing question.  I now own two
bikes and would love to keep them both.  One is a capable and
smooth street bike, low and lightweight with wide power and great
brakes; the other is a Beemer G/S, kind of rough for the city but
great on the long road and backroad.  A good start at a stable, but
I don't think it's going to work.  Unfortunately, insurance is going
to pluck me by the short hairs.  

Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount.  They
do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of 
driving one of the things at a time.  I don't think I'll ever manage
to straddle both bikes and ride them tandem down the street. (Turn left...
accelerate the Zephyr; turn right... accelerate the Beemer.)  Does
anybody know of an agency that makes use of this simple fact to
discount your rates?  State Farm doesn't.

By the way, I'm moving to the Bay area so I'll be insuring the bikes
there, and registering them.  To ease me of the shock, can somebody
guesstimate the cost of insuring a ZR550 and a R800GS?  Here in Tucson
they only cost me $320 (full) and $200 (liability only) for the two,
per annum.

Muchas gracias,
			Enrique

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104664
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
   I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
   This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
   (read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
   fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).

Communication:  work out your own system.  Or just slow down and holler
back every once in a while.  At reasonable speeds, even on my under-muffled
Magna, we can hear each other.  It's only above, say, 45 MPH that you 
can't really communicate.

Balance: New passengers are a real pain, because you never know how
they're going to react to steering.  Some people catch on immediately
and lean with me.  Others are completely skittish about the leaning
thing, and keep their bodies perpendicular to the horizon.  This is a
pain while turning, but manageable.  The WORST are the passengers who stay
perpendicular to the horizon, then REMEMBER in the middle of a turn
and WHIP AROUND until they're in the `correct' position.  This always
screws up the line I've picked out.

Here's my personal checklist of things to tell passengers:
	- attire: helmet, long pants, boots/heavy shoes, jacket.
	- Keep feet on pegs at all times, unless I say otherwise.  Do not
	  get on/off unless I say you can.  (I've had people try to dismount
	  in traffic, just as I'm pulling in to a parking space!)
	- Muffler gets HOT! ('Nuff said)
	- We get *GOOD* traction.  We're not going to fall over.  (Many
	  first-time riders are surprised by how tightly you can turn!)
	- Turn dynamics:  sit so that you feel like you're sitting upright and
	  we're going straight.  Trust your butt, not your eyes -- if you're
	  confused, close your eyes for a couple of turns to get the feel
	  of it.  Or just hug me tight.  
	- Please, no sudden moves -- shift your weight as desired, but be 
	  gradual, so I can compensate.
	- Your faceplate is yours to open/close as desired.
	- Trust is essential.  Trust the driver (me) to do the right 
	  thing -- I've driven many miles on this thing, and know how
	  to operate it.  Enjoy the ride.  (This is important to
	  stress.  For example, one of my first-time passwngers seemed to 
	  watch the speedo like a hawk:  I drove her to the beach down 84, 
	  and whever we topped 35 mph, she'd holler, "SLOW DOWN! I'M SCARED" 
	  I humored her for a while, then simply covered the speedometer with 
	  the spare piece of duct tape I keep stuck to the top of the cluster.
	  Problem solved:  she watched the scenery instead of the
	  instruments, and had a much better time.  Based on her
	  experience driving a Lincoln Continental, she was unwilling to 
	  trust my ability to choose a safe speed for the bike.)

Usually I'll point out the controls, engine, transmission, brakes, 
tires, etc. and discuss motorcycle physics a bit too for first-timers.
Helps calm their nerves, and gives the bike a chance to warm up.

Watch out for gravel on the Mt. Hamilton road:  there were lots of little
mudslides after the last big rain; by now, many of the blind corners will
be nicely covered with a carpet of little, round, nearly invisible stones.
It doesn't help build trust when you slide out on a blind corner, on the 
first trip!

Good luck -- have fun!
--
DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104665
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: IT AIN'T FOR ME!

In article <speedy.156@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>I am confused (like THAT'S a surprise!), someone asked ME for a copy of the 
>FAQ via E-Mail.  As I am not the KotFAQ, I was wondering what the proper 
>responce is?  

Our panel of judges has deliberated the question, and the answer is:

Send the requester one copy, and then gang-FAQ yourself.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104666
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <13516@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, 
|> get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your 
|> whining.
|> 
|> Fine.
|> 
|> Fuck off too.

Well it still looks like you've got an attitude problem
Mr. Muttonhead.  You should take the comments with more
sensitivity.  I still despise most people who belittle
drinking and driving since my first girlfriend was killed 
by such an asshole back in '85.  Learn to take the verbal 
abuse.

If you can't take the flames, 
and you can't use your brains,
stay out of the newsgroup.


=============================================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
= This company has no idea what I am talking about!                         =
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104669
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Comments on a 1984 Honda Interceptor 1000?

jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) writes:

> In article <19APR93.15421177@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:
> >Hi.
> >     I am considering the purchase of a 1984 Honda 1000cc Interceptor for
> >$2095 CDN (about $1676 US).  I don't know the mileage on this bike, but from
> >the picture in the 'RV Trader' magazine, it looks to be in good shape.
> >Can anybody enlighten me as to whether this is a good purchase?  
> 
>    Oog.  I hate to jump in on this type of thread but ....
> 
>       pass on the VF1000.  It's big, top heavy, and carries lots of
>       expensive parts.  

What he said.  Most of my friends refer to them as "ground magnets."  One


> =============================================================================
> |Jeff Earls  jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530  KotTG  KotSPT   WMTC  AMA
> |'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon        |   Squid Factor: 16.99               
> |'93 KLR650 - Thumpy                   | "Hit the button Chewie!"... Han Solo
> 
>     "There ain't nothin' like a 115 mph sweeper in the Idaho rockies." - me


--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104670
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <1993Apr20.010734.18225@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
>to liquor?

*Everything* in Louisiana is related to liquor:  eating, sleeping, walking,
talking, church, state, life, death, and everything in between.

Plus the food is good, too.


-- 
Ray Shea    		 "they wound like a very effective method."
UniSQL, Inc.		                                 --Leah
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu                   some days i miss d. boon real bad. 
DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT     

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104671
From: cassidy@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Question????

In article <1993Apr21.030201.27904@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <1r25ldINN9rp@frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu> fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) writes:

>>This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene
>>I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD? 
>
>	This has to be a setup.  Lookit--same site as Arnie Skurow.

probably just want to see how many faq's they'll get. oh well. here goes....



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104672
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

In article <gbnvgw@quantum.qnx.com> dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs) writes:
>
>Yes, even when steering no hands you do something quite similar
>to countersteering.  Basically to turn left, you to a quick wiggle
>of the bike to the right first, causing a counteracting lean to
>occur to the left.

This sounds suspiciously like black magic to me.  If by "quick wiggle
to the right" you mean that the handlebars turn toward the right
before turning to the left, what is the input to the steering
mechanism that makes this happen in the absence of the old
"shove-shove"?

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   DoD #0969   also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al.



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104673
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Battery Charger

In article <121765@netnews.upenn.edu> sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) writes:
>
>I just noticed that my halogen table lamp runs off 12 Volts.
>The big thinngy that plugs into the wall says 12 Volts DC,  20mA
>
>The question is: Can I trickle charge the battery on my CB650
>with it?

You could, but it would be considerably cheaper to spend $8 or so on
a trickle charger from K-Mart, Venture, or Target, then it would be
to replace the halogen lamp power supply after you fuse it trying to
pump current into the battery...

While charging, the charger should be putting out around 14 or 15 volts
as well...
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104674
From: mock@watt.support.Corp.Sun.COM (Joseph Mocker)
Subject: Dual-Sport recomendations


I am looking at buying a Dual Sport type motorcycle. This is my first
cycle as well. I am interested in any experiences people have with
the following motorcycles, good or bad.

	Honda XR250L
	Suzuki DR350S
	Suzuki DR250ES
	Yamaha XT350

Most XXX vs. YYY articles I have seen in magazines pit the Honda XR650L 
against another cycle, and the 650 always comes out shining. Is it safe
to assume that the 250 would be of equal quality ?

Thanks... Joe

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104675
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <1993Apr21.194547.2266@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
+In article <222834@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com> maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
+> 
+> Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going, 
+>nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
+> 
+> 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when 
+>you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. 
+
+Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
+but I've never actually done it.

I've had people in cages wave at me or give me the thumbs up on
occassion.  (I always return the wave or thumbs up).  That never
happened to me until I started riding Harleys, so that may have
something to do with it.

Why not try waving?  What bad could happen?
____________________________________________________________________________
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  KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905)
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104676
From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

In article <1r1v6k$lnr@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.173432.11833@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>>In article <C5sK1D.C1p@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>>>Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4,
>>>"VT" for V-twin.
>>So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT.
			      ^^
			      ||
		           New Technology

>Yeah, and what about my Honda CX500 (also a V-twin, but in the other
>direction)?		       ^^
			       || 
			  Cycle eXperimental
			   

Got this from a mechanic at Al Lamb's Honda!

AT

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104677
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks)

In article <csundh30.735397064@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:
|To follow-up, I had a bad experience w/ a Krypto Lock too...
|
|Last year I bought a Krypto Cable II (3/8"x3-4' long, something like that)
|that by all standards seemed like a decent piece.  Until I used it anyway...
[...]

  So, in short, the 3/8" cables seems to be pretty useless, I would guess.

  The larger cable seems to be a much better unit.

  I've got the larger cable - about 5/8" inch in diameter (actually, I think
its larger), about 4 feet long which coils into a 8 or 9 inch coil, with the
tubular key lock like the U-locks.  It has worked fine for me for two years
now, and *seems* (to me, anyway) that it is very secure.  It doesn't have the
weaknesses that the U-locks have other than the liquid nitrogen trick
supposedly, is much easier to store in my tankbag than a U-lock, and more
versatile.  I got mine from one of the mail-order houses (Motorcycle Accessory
Warehouse, I beleive), for $42.

  In combination with an ignition disable, and a couple of other deterrents,
all I *usually* worry about is vandalism.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

       "But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104678
From: wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack)
Subject: Re:   Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <Stafford-210493125617@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) wrote:
>
>> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
>> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!
>
>   The statement above is _true_ to the spirit of the list because
>   it is a false statement.  Misinformation: that's the spirit, Bill.
>
>   My /5 will do wheelies because it's a chain drive model.   
>
>====================================================
>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
>                    All standard disclaimers apply.

I knew when I posted that I was going to get into trouble. Now I suppose I
have to give /5 wheelie demos at the Spring Fling or something.

But you're right, John, it is a chain drive model. I think it goes around
the camshaft and up over the rocker arms or something. Stolen from an early
Spagthorpe design, according to urban legend.

Bill
__
wrs@gozer.mv.com (Bill Slack) DoD #430
But her tears were shed in vain and her every word was lost
In the rumble of his engine and the smoke from his exhaust! Oo..o&o
    



    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104679
From: idb14@cus.cam.ac.uk (I.D. Benham)
Subject: WANTED - UK BMW &Insu Tips

Hi,
   I'm now in the market for buying a BMW.The ideal would be an R80 RS but I'd be
interested to here of any R80 for sale .Age is not a problem - I'm more
interested in a good example without a massive amount of miles and one which has
been well maintained as I intend to keep it well and for some time.

   I would also like to know if anyone has any sound advice as regards to
INSURANCE - 27yr old,licence for 9 years,no accidents/claims/convictions.Am I old
enough to get BMW owners club insurance yet or will I have to wait until next
year? 

				Ian

			Future Beemer Owner

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104680
From: lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
> I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
> This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
> (read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
> fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).
> 


An extended ride as a passenger on a 750 ninja.

Owww.

Well, I hate to be a wet sock, but, well...

I was a passenger on many bikes for the longest time before I started
riding myelf, and I grew to hate long rides on sport bikes.  The passenger
seats are not designed for long rides.  The passenger positions aren't
even usually designed for short rides.  I ended up torturing my knees and my
back by taking long rides as a passenger on sport bikes.  One of the
reasons I originally liked my current guythingy so much was becase he had
a BMW. :)

I'd suggest a shorter extended ride at first -- a short turn in the mountains
or some such.  Then see how much pain she's in, and proceed from there.

The best advice I'd give a beginning passenger:

- Don't get on the bike until the rider says its OK, and work out some sort
  signal for the rider to tell you when its OK to get off.  After I get on 
  the bike I squeeze my riders hips to tell that I'm ready, and at the stop
  he nods his head to show its OK for me to get off.

- Keep your feet on the pegs at all times.  Don't wiggle (unless your rider
  asks you to :)

- The best passengers are those which are unobtrusive.  Echo the movements
  and lean of your rider.  Look over the shoulder thats most comfortable,
  but during turns look over the shoulder on the inside of the turn.

- Get used to your rider's shifting style (Riders:  use a reasonably
  consistent shifting style).  Avoid "helmet bonk."  Helmet bonk is 
  when your rider revs the bike up and then shifts and the sudden change
  in foreward acceleration causes your helmet to bonk his/hers.  It
  gets old real fast.

- When pulling to a stop, put a hand or both hands on the tank to keep
  your weight from pushing your rider up onto the tank.  Putting your hands
  on the tank is also a good way to stretch your back if you're in pain,
  but I'm told it gets harder to steer in turns if you leave them there.

- Switch your hands to the guardrail to stretch your shoulders, but be 
  sure and squeeze your thighs while you're doing it so your rider knows you're
  still there. :)  The guard rail isn't as safe as holding onto your rider.

- Don't be afraid to ask for frequent stops if you're in pain or
  losing feeling in your feet.  Passenger seats are not generally designed 
  for comfort.  Work out some sort of pull over signal beforehand.


-- 
*********************************************************
Laura Lemay                              lemay@netcom.com
writer of trifles in shadows and blood
*********************************************************


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104681
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

In article <mdennie.735397939@beryllium>, mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
|> In <121755@netnews.upenn.edu> sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <13612@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> >:>Curtis JAckson pens...
|> >:>
|> >:>"MSF course...$140"
|> >:
|> >:Shyah!
|> >:
|> >:The one here only costs $35!
|> >:
|> >:(Izzat a deal or what?! :)
|> 
|> >They are free in Philadelphia....   :-)
|> 
|> Who pays for these cheapie MSF deals?  Are your states subsidizing them?

here they are $25 for ERC and $50 for MSF. and no
the state doesn't subsidize ours at all. we do.
$1 for every motorcycle endorsed license.


laz

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104682
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <ZOWIE.93Apr21020301@daedalus.stanford.edu> zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) writes:
>- Turn dynamics:  sit so that you feel like you're sitting upright... 
	Good advice.

>- Please, no sudden moves...
	My Ol'lady taps me on the shoulder to let me know she is 
	uncomfortable.  I, in turn, am prepared for her to move about on the 
	back of the bike.

>- Trust is essential. ... 
	We had 1 bad crash (nail in rear tire on left hand sweeper at crest 
	of hill on pavement/pea-gravel road) and her actions helped lessen 
	the severity of it.  As we were crashing, she stayed upright in the 
	saddle with her feet on the pegs and her hands about my waist.  I was
	able to get the bike slowed down 10-15mph before we were high-sided.
	She got off with a fair case of road rash and I had to have the doc 
	remove a lot of rocks from my knee.  Had she panicked we would have 
	probably crashed at greater speed causing greater injury.
	BTW, as soon at the tire went flat, we went into VIOLENT tank-
	slappers.  This is what she rode out in a "normal" riding posture!

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104683
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <1993Apr21.134121.1911@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:

I waved to a guy on a riding mower this morning.  Does that count?
BTW, I live in the country... EVERYONE waves out here!

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104684
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies


In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:

>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
>


	Absolutely. Early XS1100's were VERY good at this. 

	
>Mike Terry
>'82 Virago
>

	Don't try it on your Virago unless you already are purty good at
it or like the smell of exploded clutch.



-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104685
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist

In article <1993Apr21.092613.1344@hsh.com> binger@hsh.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.150337.2963@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (
Jody Levine) writes:>>>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS 
RIDING"?            >> 

>I might only add two things.... stupid road design (or poor, at least) and

Here in Louisiana the State Sign is "CAUTION - SUB-STANDARD ROADWAY".

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104686
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)

Dana H. Myers, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 19:51:16 GMT wibbled:
: In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
: >In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
: >
: >>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
: >       ^^^^^^
: >    excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.


: Squids are everybody but me and you.  Chris Behanna is especially a squid.

:  * Dana H. Myers

I'm a BMW Squid.  Two of my arms are longer, too.
--

Nick (the BS Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Longer Arms

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104687
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Paint jobs in the UK

Lisa Rowlands, on the Wed, 21 Apr 1993 10:13:31 +0000 wibbled:
: Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area. 

: Thanks 

: Lisa Rowlands
: -- 
: Alex Technologies Ltd		CP House
: 				97-107 Uxbridge Road
: Tel: 	+44 (0)81 566 2307	Ealing
: Fax: 	+44 (0)81 566 2308	LONDON
: email:	lisa@alex.com		W5 5LT


Lisa,

Try Pip on 081 590 8045.  She does wonderful things with paint...
I've seen her work and it's good.

Best of luck.

--

Nick (the well connected Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Boring paint job

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104688
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

Dave Edmondson, on the Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:05:41 GMT wibbled:
: Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
: : kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled:

: Jonathan Quist bemoaned:

: : : |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes 
: of A.M.,
: : : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have 
: non-British
: : : |> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing

: Lotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was 
: late and too pricey.  If they can write off the Elan development costs the may 
: be able to sell them for a sensible price.


: : : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
: : : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
: : : the name.

: : : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

: : I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR.  It's a seperate
: : company from the RR Aero-Engine company. 

: It's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars. 

: And yes Kevin it is posts, Morgan use a sliding pillar front suspension.

: Ob Bike (at long bleeding last): When will that Pettefar bloke get a mail 
: address so we can bung him on the Ogri list?

: dave
: --
: David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
: Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
: "This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."


What, you mean like the one in my bleedin' signature?!

HELLO!

--

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M'Lud.
                                   
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Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104689
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Insurance discount

In article <1993Apr20.031127.25473@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
>
>By the way, I'm moving to the Bay area so I'll be insuring the bikes
>there, and registering them.  To ease me of the shock, can somebody
>guesstimate the cost of insuring a ZR550 and a R800GS?  Here in Tucson
>they only cost me $320 (full) and $200 (liability only) for the two,
>per annum.

	My agent is Daniel Sui, and he's done quite a good job
	for me.  You might check with him, as he's located in San
	Francisco and specializes in bike insurance:

		Daniel Sui Insurance
		338 Balboa Street
		San Francisco, CA 94118
		1-415-752-3157

					Michael


-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104690
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <1993Apr21.145716.17491@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:

Freebie and the Bean, GREAT chase scene on a trials bike!

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104691
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <tcora-210493093955@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil>, tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:
|> jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) wrote:
|> > 
|> > ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
|> > >hello there
|> > >can anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
|> > >comment on its handling .
|> > 
|> > 
|> >    Some guy came to the OMRRA race school last weekend with number plates
|> >    on his V-Max.  He didn't get more than 2 practice laps in before he pushed
|> >    the frame too hard and it drove him into the guard rail on the back
|> >    straight.
|> > 
|> >    BTW:  The rider was conscious and semi-coherent when the ambulance
|> >    carted him off.  That's all I know.
|> 

|> I hate to pick on someone who may have been seriously injured (let's hope
|> not), but: semi-coherent sounds like a good description of someone who
|> shows up at the track w/ a VMax in the first place:-{

what does that make me for showing up with an old interceptor with worse
brakes and handling (due to bent frame) than a VMAX?  and i didn't even...
uh....  well, i was more than semi-coherent when the ambulance....  uh....

nevermind.


axel


:)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104692
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Need parts/info for 1963 Maicoletta scooter

In article <1r1uea$33m@slack.sim.es.com> pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>
>Also looking for brakes or info on relining existing shoes.

    Vintage Brakes
    176 Bluefield Ave.
    Newbury Park, CA.  91320
    (805)498-5527

    They reline all types of obsolete motorcycle brake shoes with Ferodo
material.

>Also any other Maicoletta owners anywhere to have contact with.

    Place to try:

    Deutsches Motorrad Register
    8663 Grover Place
    Shreveport, LA 71115
    (club for all types of two-wheeled German equipment, including
     scooters.  I periodically see ads for Maico scooter stuff in their
     newsletter.)

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| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104693
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <1993Apr19.164842.18206@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

	Only on the FRONT wheel.  Use the lever on the right
	handlebar to accomplish this.

				Michael
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| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104694
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Need Maintenance tips

In article <C5rIwA.2or@world.std.com> CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras) writes:
>
>After reading the service manual for my bike (Suzuki GS500E--1990) I have
>a couple of questions I hope you can answer:
>
>When checking the oil level with the dip stick built into the oil fill
>cap, does one check it with the cap screwed in or not?

	Most bikes I've seen that use a dipstick rather than a
	sight glass are designed to check it without screwing it
	in.  In the manual for my CBR900RR, they specifically
	state it should be done this way.

				Michael

-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104695
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: exhaust coating

In article <coburnn.735431559@spot.Colorado.EDU>, coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes:
|> essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >my FZR's black exhaust pipes are rusty and i researched getting them repaired.
|> >yesterday i bought a can of VHT 1500 degree black header paint and spent an
|> >hour sanding two of the header pipes by hand.  sprayed on paint.  thought
|> >about how clean i was able to get the metal with sanding and determined that
|> >i wouldn't be at all suprised if the paint wore/chipped off in a month.
|> 
|> [Parts deleted]
|> 
|> >axel
|> 
|> Axel,
|> 
|>    Why not just purchase one of the Fyex exhaust bras for about $40?  They
|> look great and are cheaper than powder coating.  (I had the same dilemma and
|> opted for these.  I am quite pleased.)

ok.  so what's an "exhaust bra"?  i'm guessing it's not a fabric thing that
straps to the pipes...  does it go over the chin fairing/lowers in some way?
i usually don't ride with the lower plastic...

axel

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104696
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
}Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
}we have *all* the advantages.

I agree with this 100%. After all, when you grab under his chin and
are careful to keep your hands away from his twisting head, what is
he going to do -- tailwag you to death? I even had one occasion where
I was unexpectedly jumped by a 130 lb. German Shepherd and grabbed
his upper jaw in one hand and his lower jaw in the other. Now I'm
holding his mouth open (no way is he strong enough to clamp down)
and he can do nothing.

HOWEVER, all this macho shit aside, the fact is that when you are
riding a bike and a dog is arrowing to intercept, it may be unwise
for you to stop and try to deal with the dog, for the simple fact
that it might be through your leathers and working on your jeans
before you can dismount and deal with it properly.

By all means, if you do kick the dog or otherwise get its attention,
STOP and STAY there. If you kick the dog and ride away, that is a
victory for the dog -- it drove you out of its territory. It is not
even a qualified victory, it is a victory. If you kick it and STOP,
and sit there, 99% of dogs will say, "Oh, shit! This guy's serious!"
and back off. Now you have established your dominance over the dog,
and it probably will not bother you again.

Llamas, however, are a different story. If you stop near a llama,
it will just hop on and insist on a ride. And that's if you're
lucky; if it doesn't like you it'll barf you off the bike and
steal it!
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104697
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

I know there's already a bmw mailing list, but since it's an R bike 
only list (and limited to the R80* R100* bikes as well I believe)
I've decided to give this a go and see how much interest there is.
please read all of this post if you plan on subscribing to the list!

there is only one restriction for the discussion on this list, that it
be about BMW's. I don't care which BMW, any and all are welcome. I will
probably post articles that appear in the local BMW club newsletter, and
would incourage other club members to do the same, especially tech
articles.

to subscribe to the list, send a message to the list address:

                    bmw@rider.cactus.org

with the word SUBSCRIBE (in caps) in the *subject* of the message. having
the word SUBSCRIBE in the *subject* is the _only_ way to subscribe. if you 
put the keyword in the message body, your message will go out to everyone
on the list and you will be ridiculed beyond belief.

       ** your From: line must have a valid return address    **
       ** the list sw will use the address in your From: line **

if you would like to use a return address _other_ than what is contained
in your From: line, do not send mail to the list! send a note directly to
me (joe@rider.cactus.org) and I'll take care of it manually.

the list sw will hack up the outgoing message From: line so that your
original full name in ()'s is preserved, but the return address is
replaced with the mailing list address (bmw@rider.cactus.org). this 
allows you to simply reply to a message to keep it on the list (depending
on your mail interface natch. I use elm so that's what I wrote it for :-).
keep this in mind when you reply to a message and question the authors
parentage.

to remove your name from the list, send a message to the list address
with the word UNSUBSCRIBE (in caps) in the *subject* of the message.
having the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the *subject* is the _only_ way to remove
your name from the list. if you put the keyword in the message body, 
your message will go out to everyone on the list and you will be ridiculed 
beyond belief.

the list is run from my home system, a poor little 286 box running a
very old version of something that smells somewhat like unix. the MTA
isn't the smartest around, but I've managed to hack it up enough to make
a decent list MTA. additions and removals are handled automatically by
scripts that intercept messages based on the subject (see below) and
may occassionally goof. the sw will send a response message back when you
subscribe. if you do not receive a response within a reasonable amount
of time (my link is via UUCP and sometimes runs in spurts), send me a 
message (joe@rider.cactus.org) and I'll look into it.

if the list turns out to be too popular and the MTA groks over the number
of addresses, I'll have to freeze the list recipients until I can come up
with a better MTA.

good luck...

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
                                                          joe@mpd.tandem.com
BMW Mailing List                                          bmw@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104698
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: PERSONAL: to Michael Moscoso

Michael, you sent your inquiry to the bmw mailing list, but the sw
replaces your return addr with the list addr so I can't reply or
manually add you. please see my post re the list or contact me directly.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
BMW Mailing List                                          bmw@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104699
From: smead@hpstc01.rose.hp.com (Steve Smead)
Subject: XS 850 never needs valve adjustments?

I bought a Yamaha XS850 with 8K miles.  Over the last 2 years, I've put 30K
of commute miles onnit.  Valve adjustment intervals are suppossed to be every
5K.  Well every 7.5K or so, I've checked the pad clearences, and they never
change!  If anything, the clearances seem to be getting a little smaller which
makes no sense to me with the pad system - the pads should wear until the
clearances are too great right?  I know that threaded adjusters can tighten 
up, but I didn't think these kind could.

Bottom lines is that I haven't touched my valves for 30K on this bike and
they are still nice and quiet and if anything, the clearances are tighter...
What's the deal?  Any other Yam triple owners notice extremely long valve
adjustment intervals?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104700
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <mdennie.735508147@beryllium>, mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
|> In <1993Apr22.125054.17308@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1993Apr22.005459.25142@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
|> >>
|> >>I've had people in cages wave at me or give me the thumbs up on
|> >>occassion.  (I always return the wave or thumbs up).  That never
|> >>happened to me until I started riding Harleys, so that may have
|> >>something to do with it.
|> >>
|> >Ever notice little kid wave more than other bikers?
|>              ^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> The reactions of little boys seems to be the most enthusiastic to
|> a wave (and also good to see).  I always wave when I see a kid that
|> has at least noticed my bike.  I figure it helps the future of the
|> sport.

Yeah, it's impossible to be a tough biker when a 5 year old
starts waving at you.

-- 
===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104701
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Test ride on a GTS1000

In article 1r702fINNqsp@spim.mti.sgi.com, timl@zulu.mti.sgi.com (Tim Layman) writes:
>
>	After signing the I will buy the bike if I wreck it and I will
>not sue you no matter what papers, they just pointed me at the bike and
>said have fun. I was a little nervous (well a lot nervous) mainly because
>it is a very expensive bike and I would hate to have to buy a new one
>let alone a wrecked one:^(

Are you sure?  Harley's disclaimer says, "if you crash, we take care of
the bike, you take care of you."

If you were really responsible for the bike, did your insurance cover
it?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104702
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article 735508147@beryllium, mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
>
>Is it a genetic thing with little boys or what?  Even three and four
>year old boys seem magnetically attracted to motorcycles of virtaully
>any sort (often to the dismay of thier mothers :-)

I think you just answered your own question...

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104703
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: WANTED - UK BMW &Insu Tips

I.D. Benham, on the Wed, 21 Apr 1993 17:11:39 GMT wibbled:
: Hi,
:    I'm now in the market for buying a BMW.The ideal would be an R80 RS but I'd be
: interested to here of any R80 for sale .Age is not a problem - I'm more
: interested in a good example without a massive amount of miles and one which has
: been well maintained as I intend to keep it well and for some time.

:    I would also like to know if anyone has any sound advice as regards to
: INSURANCE - 27yr old,licence for 9 years,no accidents/claims/convictions.Am I old
: enough to get BMW owners club insurance yet or will I have to wait until next
: year? 

: 				Ian

: 			Future Beemer Owner


My best advice would be to contact a local dealer (see the yellow
pages under "Motorcycle Dealers") and ask for the address of the local
section BMW Owners Club.  The local BMW dealer will give you details
of the BMW Insurance terms and the club will help you with all
details.  Getting a bike from the dealer is the best bet, if you can
afford it.  The warranty is fairly handy as BM bits are made from
solid gold, apart from the parts made from ruby and platinum.  Apparently.

--

Nick (the perpetually broke BMW Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford  No Loot

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
                                   (-

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104704
From: acuff@CAMIS.Stanford.EDU (Richard Acuff)
Subject: Re: First bike: Honda Ascot?

nbetz@csi.compuserve.com (Nathan Betz) writes:

>I'm going to be buying my first bike and I'm considering an 82
>Honda Ascot FT500 with less than 5K miles. Does this sound like a
>reasonable choice? Is there anything special I need to know?

An '82 FT500 Ascot was my first bike--I recommend it.  If anyone's
interested, mine's for sale.  It's in LA currently, with a bum
starter and around 10k miles.  I'd like a couple hundred for it.

	-- Rich


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104705
From: oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Question about helmets


On the other side of the fence, I owned a Bieffe off-road helmet.
Took what I would consider a minor fall, and had visible damage
to the shell.  Yes, the helmet did its job.  But the damage/impact
ratio was scary.  I own Bell Moto-5 now, have taken impacts on
order of twice the Bieffe impact (we do this frequently in MX),
and don't even have a scratch on it after two seasons.  My
recommendation is to buy _high_ quality gear.  YMMV.

-mark

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104706
From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!)

In article <bethdC5Juzw.18F@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes:
>>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote:
>>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>>: in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
>>
>>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried
>>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too
>>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any 
>>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy
>>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that
>>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly,
>>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any?
>
>I was very lucky I found a jacket I liked that actually _fits_.
>HG makes the v-pilot jackets, mine is a very similar style made
>by Just Leather in San Jose. I bought one of the last two they
>ever made.
>
>Finding decent womens motorcycling gear is not easy.  There is a lot
>of stuff out there that's fringed everywhere, made of fashion leather,
>made to fit men, etc.  I don't know of a shop in your area.  There
>are some women rider friendly places in the San Francisco/San Jose
>area, but I don't recommend buying clothing mail order.  Too hard
>to tell if it'll fit.  Bates custom makes leathers.  You might want
>to call them (they're in L.A.) and get a cost estimate for the type
>of jacket your wife is interested in.  Large manufacturers like
>BMW and H.G. sell women's lines of clothing of decent quality, but
>fit is iffy.
>
>A while ago, Noemi and Lisa Sieverts were talking about starting
>a business doing just this sort of thing.  Don't know what they
>finally decided.
>
>Beth
        Seems to me that Johns H.D. in Ft Collins used to carry some
    honest to god womens garb.>
>=================================================================
>Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
>1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
>1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
>1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
>1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
>"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
>                                                        -- ZZ Top
>=================================================================



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104707
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <1993Apr15.232009.8534@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:
|Zero to very fast very quickly... lastest rumor is 115 hp at the rear wheel,
|handles like a dream in a straight line to 80-100, and then gets a tad upset
|according to a review in Cycle World... cornering, er well, you can't have 
|everything...

  Sure you can have everything, if by "everything" you mean fast straight line
performance AND handling - present day liter sport bikes have more horsepower
and have faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile times than the V-max...  Plus, they corner
just a bit better...

| Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards
|of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days.

  Very true.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

       "But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104708
From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: Solar battery chargers -- any good?

In article <1993Apr16.061736.8785@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> robert@Xenon.Stanf
ord.EDU (Robert Kennedy) writes:
>I've seen solar battery boosters, and they seem to come without any
>guarantee. On the other hand, I've heard that some people use them
>with success, although I have yet to communicate directly with such a
>person. Have you tried one? What was your experience? How did you use
>it (occasional charging, long-term leave-it-for-weeks, etc.)?
>
>    -- Robert Kennedy

I have a cheap solar charger that I keep in my car.  I purchased it via
some mail order catalog when the 4 year old battery in my Oldsmobile would
run down during Summer when I was riding my bike more than driving my car.
Knowing I'd be selling the car in a year or so, I purchased the charger.
Believe it or not, the thing worked.  The battery held a charge and
energetically started the car, many times after 4 or 5 weeks of just
sitting.

Eventually I had to purchase a new battery anyway because the Winter sun
wasn't strong enough due to its low angle.

I think I paid $29 or $30 for the charger.  There are more powerful, more
expensive ones, but I purchased the cheapest one I could find.

I've never used it on the bike because I have an E-Z Charger on it and
keep it plugged in all the time the bike is garaged.

Arnie Skurow

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104709
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???! 

In article <1qk3mqINN72e@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> gnome@pd.org writes:

>james.bessette (jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:
>>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.
>
>Cam chain.
>

In that case why do they chase ST1100s & Goldwings?

Tony


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+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104710
From: sdun@isma.demon.co.uk (Stephen Dunne)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc

In <1qjmf6$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
>An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."  A friend
>damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
>the sticker.  I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they

>Be careful about putting stickers on cages' windows.

Hmmm.. The LDDC security guards over here in Docklands only place parking 
stickers on the drivers SIDE windows.. But on reflection that could still 
cause an accident.. Suppose it's because people aren't as litigious over 
here as in the states :-)

Stephen
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104711
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <csundh30.734975106@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:

<tale of bike-eating-devil-dog deleted>

>Moral: I'm not really sure, but more and more I believe that bikers ought 
>       to be allowed to carry handguns.

Come to Louisiana where it is LEGAL to carry concealed weapons on a bike!

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104712
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: Re: neck reining -was- Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1qmetg$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>
 egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>Basically, there are two ways to steer a horse, plow-rein and
>neck-rein.  Plow-reining steers him by keeping the reins separate, and
>you pull in the direction you wish to go.  Neck-reining steers a horse
>by holding the reins together in one hand, and pulling against the
>horse's neck in the direction you wish to go.  When training a
>plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins
>under his necks.  Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein
>pulls against the right side of the neck, but the left side of the bit
>(which the horse is used to from his plow-reining days).

I learned when riding bareback as a kid to "palm-reign", by just 
pushing on the right side of the horse's neck with your right palm to turn 
left - a lot like countersteering. So that came pretty easy to me in the 
transition to motorcycles. It took a while however to break my habit of 
kicking the rear fender with my heels to go faster.

Steve
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104713
From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)

In article <C5K5BM.BtB@ms.uky.edu> cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes:
>Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the 
>the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
>(I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)

That's a twin-cam, right?  There's a steel guard right next to
the sprocket to keep a broken chain from punching a hole in the
engine cases, and it's needed.  There's probably not enough room
to fit a bigger sprocket.

I'd be inclined to take two teeth off the rear for a 5% ratio
change rather than adding one to the front for about 7%.  If you
raise the overall gear ratio too much you'll impair the bike's
rideability, because the gears will be far enough apart that
there will be only one gear that provides adequate response at
any given speed.  Honda 750s don't have the widest of power
bands.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104714
From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers)
Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++


In a previous article, essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) says:

>In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:

>|> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about
>|> it!

>|> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net.  That's 825 miles
>|> according to my odometer!

>mark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in
>massachusetts (or was it connecticut?).

I sold a bike via the net to a young lady who lived in Salt Lake City.  I
live near Lost Angeles.  It turned out we had mutual aquaintances at UCLA
as well. 


-- 
Al Bowers  DOD #900  Alfa  Ducati  Hobie  Kottke  'blad  Iaido  NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
                                             -Mary Chapin-Carpenter

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104715
From: kjk3@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen J. Kelly)
Subject: Re: Protective gear


I second the boots... oil spots from cars are particularly
slippery when parking the bikes, and  good boots help here as
well.
-- 
Squid

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104716
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <3aX42B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) wrote:
> 
> 	It can be done, contact Chaparell cycle supply, [...] Hey they even 
>  had sprockets for my VF1000R which is hard to find accesssories for. 

	I second that.  They even had sprockets for my R100rs - _very_ hard
	to find.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104717
From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

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>>: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
>>: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
>>: down a rathole.

>>let my current membership lapse when it's
>>up for renewal.

>In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any
>hints on what will keep the organization in business that long.  (And
>preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.)

Become an activist: campaign for an MC insurance program; for universal
driver/rider training before licensing. Pick a topic dear to your heart
and get the organization to act on it. Barnacles don't move ships.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104718
From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

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>Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins
>left to go left?  :-)  Or am I confusing two threads here?

Unless they have been taught to "neck rein". Then the left rein is brought
to bear on the left side of horse's neck to go right.

Equestrian counter steering?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104719
From: mlj@af3.mlb.semi.harris.com (Marvin Jaster )
Subject: FOR SALE 

I am selling my Sportster to make room for a new FLHTCU.
This scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused.
Always garaged.

	1990 Sportster 883 Standard (blue)

	factory 1200cc conversion kit

	less than 8000 miles

	Branch ported and polished big valve heads

	Screamin Eagle carb

	Screamin Eagle cam

	adjustable pushrods

	Harley performance mufflers

	tachometer

	new Metzeler tires front and rear

	Progressive front fork springs

	Harley King and Queen seat and sissy bar

	everything chromed

	O-ring chain

	fork brace

	oil cooler and thermostat

	new Die-Hard battery

	bike cover

price: $7000.00
phone: hm 407/254-1398
       wk 407/724-7137
Melbourne, Florida

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104720
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Insurance and lotsa points...

Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.

I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.

Now what do I do?

(I could probably just sell the bike and return my DoD number,...
)

-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104721
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1qjn7i$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 26051@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>In article <1qc529$c1r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>
>>>Single-track snow vehicles with front skis, and snow skis attached to
>>>skiers' legs, deform the surface of the snow, creating their own bank.
>>>Ice skates alter the phase of the ice, and also "carve" out their own
>>>tracks.
>>So what? 
>
>So they have bugger all to do with motorcycles.  Hence, any apparent
>similarity in handling characteristics may, or may *not* be analagous
>in its underlying physics to that behind motorcycle handling
>characteristics.

OK, as one last attempt, I'll take a different tack.

We all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why
one can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle. The question is,
is one of the effect dominant, and which one is it? The idea would be to
design an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics, and
see which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of
us who have bikes are familiar.

Let's look at the one that, so far, has sparked no controversy on its
own, gyroscopic precession. To examine this alone, we would have to
get rid of the contact patch effect, by not allowing the contact patches
to transmit any force. The wheels and steering mechanism would have to
remain, and be attached to a vehicle with about the same weight as a bike,
through suspension (so that the wheels transmit forces to the bike the
same way) similar to a bikes. An experiment would be to ride a bike along 
a dry road to get moving and to get the wheels spinning, then change 
surfaces to something that won't transmit forces through the contact 
patches, and try a steering manoeuvre to see if the bike leans. It 
probably would, since some of us know how easy it is to fall down on ice, 
but we wouldn't get a good idea of how well or what it feels like 
because, without the contact patches, we can't turn.  Maybe there's a 
better way. Besides, even ice doesn't get rid of the contact patch
forces altogether, so we'd have to find a really frictionless surface.
You'd have to try it again with the wheels locked to really know if it
was the rotation that did it.

Looking at the contact-patch effect only, however, is fairly simple.
Now we have to find a vehicle that gets the about the same magnitude and
direction of cantact patch forces as a motorcycle, and transmits them
about the same way to the vehicle, but without rotating wheels.
How it gets the contact patch forces is irrelevant, we're just looking
for something that has contact patches that can go straight and not
sideways, and skis or skates would do fine. I don't know of any snow-ski
or skate bikes, but up here we have the Suzuki Wetbike that is arranged
like a motorcycle but has fat water skis where there should be wheels.
I think the propellor is in front of the rear ski, or something like
that, but we could try it at a coast to get rid of most of its effect.
Now I admit that this is second hand info (although I'd love to try
one of these), but the review in the local cycle rag and a guy in
a bike shop that sells them both say that this machine handles very
much like a motorcycle, in that you countersteer it to turn.
So we have contact patches that transmit similar forces to a bike's,
a similar suspension arrangement, and no gyroscopes, but we do have
countersteering.

Conclusion: you don't need gyroscopes to countersteer vehicles that have
motorcycle-like contact patch arrangements. We still don't know what
real effect the gyroscopes have when they're there, but from my observations
of how handlebar angle, force, etc. relate to steering in general, I'm 
willing to bet that they're not the dominant factor in countersteering. 

If you don't like this conclusion, then don't accept it, but my motorcycle's
behaviour is consistent with it. If someone can prove otherwise, go ahead.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104722
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

In article <1993Apr15.220511.11311@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>	Do I have to be the one to say it?
>
>	DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
>	FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!

True enough. I put it on the ground if it's free of spooge, or directly
on my head otherwise.

>	That kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against.

Not exactly. The helmet has a lot less energy if your head isn't in it, and
there's no lump inside to compress the liner against the shell. Is a drop
off the seat enough to crack the shell? I doubt it, but you can always
send it to be inspected.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104723
From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
>Did I do the right thing?

Well, I used to get mad, and either try to communicate my anger to jerks,
or to, uhm, educate them in how to improve their manners in traffic.
Now I just try to get them off my tail.

In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in
front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the 
jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch
into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a
better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than
from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.

In traffic so heavy that there is no way for the jerk to pass,
I might pull over, as if to look for a street number or name,
(still ignoring the jerk) just to get the jerk off my tail.  

If this all sounds, well, wimpy or un-Denizenly or pessimistic, or perhaps 
(for any psych types) passive-aggressive, consider that I prefer to get
my adrenaline jollies from riding, rather than from yelling at jerks.  

A ride can improve my whole day, while yelling at a jerk is likely (for
me) to ruin my ride or my day with my own anger.  In the worst case,
yelling at the jerk could ruin my life - since even a tiny jerk in a
cage behind me is better armed (with the cage) than I am on a bike. 

On the other hand, you might try subtly arranging to be the last
vehicle to legally cross one or more intersections, leaving the jerk
waiting for cross traffic (and thus off your tail), or crossing
illegally (hopefully in front of the waiting police).

Like almost everything here, your choices and mileage will vary.

--
Denis McKeon	
galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104724
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

In article <3102@shaman.wv.tek.com> harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) writes:
>>>> As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but [...]
>>>let my current membership lapse when it's up for renewal.
>>[...] hints on what will keep the organization in business that long.
>
>Become an activist: campaign for an MC insurance program; for universal
>driver/rider training before licensing. Pick a topic dear to your heart
>and get the organization to act on it. Barnacles don't move ships.

You're obviously not referring to any of the three above-quoted
individuals, because barnacles don't each send $20 to the crew of the
ship to keep it moving.

"Get the organization to act on it" is easy to say, but says little
about what one really can and should do.  What the organization
actually will do is largely determined by the president and directors,
as far as I can see.  That's what makes it so important to vote in an
election of officers.

It does strike me that the BMWMOA is a lot less politically active (in
the state and national arenas, not infighting) than other M/C
organizations.  Should we change this?  Or just join the other groups
that already are in politics?

(Incidentally, the political hazards to motorcycle riders in the US at
the moment don't compare to the problems of some other groups like gun
owners.  Just try to take up target pistol shooting in the Northeast
or California, and I bet you'll wish you only had to worry about
wearing a helmet.  (Why does every thread on rec.moto eventually come
around to guns?))

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104725
From: kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall)
Subject: Looking for Women's Motorcycle Helmet

 I'm looking to buy a used motorcycle helmet.  I'm interested in a full
 face shield, but not necessarily a helmet with the piece around the chin.

 Please email me directly.
   
 Janice Kendall    kendall@adobe.com    ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall

		ONWARD; THRU THE FOG!  (TM)
				- Oat Willie's (TM)
 


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104726
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
>hello there
>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .

From _Cycle_World_ magazine (5/93) (who usually never says _anything_
bad about any motorcycle):

"The Max certainly has motor, but there are some things it is short of.
It is short of chassis.  It loves straight lines; aimed in one, it is
nicely stable.  But it is not overfond of corners.  Forced into one, it
protests, shaking its head, chattering its front tire, grinding its
footpegs, and generally making known its preference for straight
pavement.  Bumps?  It doesn't like them either.  Its fork isn't too bad,
though it is soft enough that it can be bottomed under hard braking.
The shocks, though which work on that short-travel, shaft-drive
swingarm, are firm to the point of harshness."

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| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104727
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

Apparently that last post was a little hasy, since I
called around to more places and got quotes for less
than 600 and 425.  Liability only, of course.

Plus, one palced will give me C7C for my car + liab on the bike for
only 1350 total, which ain't bad at all.

So I won't go with the first place I called, that's
fer sure.


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104728
From: der10@cus.cam.ac.uk (David Rourke)
Subject: xs1100 timing

Could some kind soul tell me the advance timing/revs for a 1981 xs1100 special
(bought in Canada).

thanks.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104729
From: mlj@af3.mlb.semi.harris.com (Marvin Jaster )
Subject: FOR SALE

I am selling my Sportster to make room for a new FLHTCU.
This scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused.
Always garaged.

	1990 Sportster 883 Standard (blue)

	factory 1200cc conversion kit

	less than 8000 miles

	Branch ported and polished big valve heads

	Screamin Eagle carb

	Screamin Eagle cam

	adjustable pushrods

	Harley performance mufflers

	tachometer

	new Metzeler tires front and rear

	Progressive front fork springs

	Harley King and Queen seat and sissy bar

	everything chromed

	O-ring chain

	fork brace

	oil cooler and thermostat

	new Die-Hard battery

	bike cover

price: $7000.00
phone: hm 407/254-1398
       wk 407/724-7137
Melbourne, Florida



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104730
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Stolen  AARGHHHH.....

In article <JPOLITO.93Apr15095753@sysgem1.encore.com> jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito) writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>
>   Watch out.  Often when some scumbag steals the cover, that means
>   that they were or are looking to steal the bike.  In my case, I
>   had a faded cover stolen off a bmw R100RS that was stashed in an
>   apartment carport and not visible from the street.  They evidently
>   decided the beemer wasn't worth stealing, but did try the next night to
>   steal a Honda Hurricane 600 parked in the next apartment building.
>   A neighbor heard them wheeling it out and called the cops.
>
>
>I know this is just setting myself up, but this is actually one of the
>things that is really good about BMW bikes.  From all accounts I've
>heard practically no one steals BMWs. Probably it is similar for Moto
>Guzzis and other relative "exotics" since there isn't a large demand
>for parts and the bike would be much easier to track down. It seems
>that the most stolen bikes are Harleys and 600cc Jap sport bikes. 

Well, I'd say you're mostly right, but for different reasons. (BTW, as of a
couple years ago, the most stolen bikes in Orange County and SF were 750
GSX's and Ninjas). Probably the biggest reason BMWs aren't ripped off is that
most people who buy BMWs will only deal with the actual BMW dealer, or mail-
order types. Most of these can have their inventory checked fairly easily
by law-enforcement types, and their mark-up is usually sufficient to keep 
them honest about acquiring parts. 

For Harleys and rice-rockets, you've got 2 different situations. There is a
HUGE aftermarket in Harley parts, so a bike can be parted out fairly easily.
Ditto the non-sport Japanese bikes, but the prices on the parts for these are
not as high, comparatively. For the 'rockets', anytime a bike goes down, the 
plastic is usually cracked, and is expensive to replace. It's fairly easy,
then, for a disreputable shop to take a fairing from a stolen bike, slap it
on a bike in for repair, repaint it, and make a tidy profit. The other parts,
more traceable, can be used, or discarded if they are too traceable.

Mike
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104731
From: phj@remus.rutgers.edu (P. Ju)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>(Thread degenerated to comparative costs of MSF courses deleted...)

>Hey!  Even at the highest price mentioned ($140 US) the course is

$200 in Glassboro, New Jersey  :(

>a bargain. Worth every penny, and there are lots of things you'll
>get related to your bike that won't feel that way about.

Patricia
phj@remus.rutgers.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104732
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: BMW heated grips

In article <C5xy2x.35G@world.std.com> artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell) writes:
>bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:
>
>>To those of you who have the BMW heated handgrips:
>
>>	What are they like during the summer? Yes, you
>>	wiseguy, I mean while they are off!
>
>>	Are they comfortable? 
>They're a hard rubber-like compound. I always wear some kind of glove
>(fingerless) on the hottest days. Given those two factors,
>They're OK, but certainly not cushy.

When I needed heated grips I made them from pieces of an old bicycle
inner tube and a cheap electric heating pad from the drugstore, on top
of foam grips: soft *and* warm.  Cheaper by about a factor of 5, too.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104733
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Death of a 2 stroke - why did it die?

zebee@wattle.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) writes:


[Loads of horrendous MZ engine problems deleted]

>Any ideas folks?

Yeah, buy a four-stroke.

:-)



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104734
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <C5w9y0.EBt@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal
Howard) wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey, the Lone Biker of the Apocalypse (see Raising Arizona) had flames coming
> out of both his exhaust pipes. I love to toggle the kill switch on my Sportster
> to produce flaming backfires, especially underneath overpasses at night (it's
> loud and lights up the whole underpass!!!

	It does!  I do it to keep people off my ass.  They really back
	away when they see canon fire rolling out the back of a Harley.
	
	Oh, yea.  It raises hell with the baffles.  
====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104735
Subject: Re: Posted Gif of BMW R100S
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <1993Apr22.201652.17882@news.columbia.edu>,
scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 	Went and played w/Columbia's scanner and scanned in a bunch of
> 	pictures of my new (to me) 1977 BMW R100S. They are, however, not
> 	color, but 256 greyscale Gifs. 

	Mind posting those to the euro archive?  We have a directory
	specifically for BMWs.

	ftp:  134.29.65.5  (Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU)
 user: euro
 pass: spooge
 cd bmw

get and put as you please.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104736
From: bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:

>In article <1993Apr18.100318.12715@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>>I generally find that after two or three decent hits of nitrous, my riding
>>>improves enormously.  Drinking is silly, your breath smells, it costs lots
>>>of money and the pigs can detect it with their machines.  NO2 works for me,
>>>try it.
>>
>>And its free.... just sit behind an old car in a jam, and breathe deeply.

>Only if there is a dentist in the car :-)

Otherwise you get NO2 out the back.

>Me thinks you gots your gases confused.  What comes out of cars is
>Carbon Monoxide.  What comes out of whippits is Nitrous Oxide.
  CO                                                N2O


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104737
From: inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

About a year and half ago when I first started riding, I took a MSF course. I
have taken those lessons to heart.  Over the past year I have had only a few 
near collisions with traffic morons on four wheels.  Yesterday I got to add
another to the list but with this one I felt the most helpless.  I am sitting
at a light about 1 - 2 car lengths behind a car, a wise decsion.  Suddenly I 
hear screeching tires.  I dart my eyes to my mirrors and realize it's the 
moroon flying up right behind me, in my panic I pop my clutch and stall the
bike.  Luckily the guy stops a foot behind my rear wheel.

I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104738
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: I NEED YOUR ADVICE! (I'm a new rider)

In article <1993Apr21.233803.18471@bsu-ucs> 00cjmelching@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>The tachometer has a sticker right on it that says "for the first 500 
>miles DO NOT go over 4,000 rpm's, and for the next 500 miles, don't go
>over 6,000.  (referred to as the break-in period if you didn't know.)
>
>Well, if I were to do that, I would never be going over 35 mph even in
>6th gear!!!  So my question is, will it hurt my new cycle to take it up 
>in the 6-7000 rpm range so that I can at least go the speed limit????

But you already can go at the speed limit at 4000 rpm.  All you need
to do is to find a road with a 35 mph speed limit.

This isn't quite as silly as it sounds.  If you take a nice day trip
over back roads (*not* highways full of people trying seriously to get
from here to there) then you might be able to hold 35 mph comfortably.
You could easily do 500 miles over three different weekends.  You
might even get to enjoy some of the scenery.  Yes, I know this is
probably not why you bought a 250 called "Ninja."

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   DoD #0969   also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al.



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104739
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Subject: Re: Please tell me they're not permenant scratches!

mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:

>bobm@brimstone (Bob Morley) writes:

>>In article <sfpPIsK00WB64HPO5e@andrew.cmu.edu>, Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>> While "passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
>>> and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
>>> rid of these?  Buff them out?  Wax them out? help!

McGuyers makes a full line of polishing compounds and waxes... Read
the lables and pick the one that matches the marks that you see on the
paint. Then do both you and your fiance a favor by putting a nice
thick coat of the carnuba wax on the bike. After that those little
scratches will just buff out.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104740
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Re: How to buy a first bike, etc.

In article <C5x6vH.1In@inform.co.nz>, dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales) writes:
> In article <1993Apr20.083340.2309@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>> There have been a *lot* of posts lately about "I wanna buy my first bike - is a
>> GSXR/ZX/CBR/FZR a good bike to learn on?" etc.
> 
> Sure they are. Here we can buy:
> 
> GSXR250 / GSXR400
> CBR250  / CBR400
> FZR250  / FZR400
> ZXR400
> 
> So what's the problem? Small agile learner's bikes.

Well, the problem just _might_ be that you can't buy any of these bikes in
North America. (Except the GSXR 400 -> Bandit 400)
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104741
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: <None>

I am thinking of going on a motorcycle tour in New Zealand in the
November-January timeframe.

There are a few tour companies doing this, notably Beach Tours.

Can anyone who has done this let me know of their experiences, both good and
bad?
Thanks.
 -- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104742
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

In article <1993Apr23.121316.1564@news.columbia.edu>, rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
|> When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?
|> 

Too easy.  When you are dragging your pegs while driving in a 
straight line.

Actually I've driven in 50 mph side winds with just a little
difficulty.

===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104743
From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: Contemplating Ottawa->San Francisco->Ottawa trip

In article <lbpvs=l@quantum.qnx.com> David Gibbs, dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com
writes:
>Greetings rec.motorcyclists.
>
>Coming up labour day weekend this year, Worldcon (World Science Fiction
>Convention) will be held in San Francisco (California).  I am planning
>to attend and have been speculating on doing my trip there by motorcycle
>instead of by plane (as was my initial thought.) 
>
>I live (and would be departing from) Ottawa, Ontario (Canada).
>
>I had planned to take two weeks for this trip, giving me 5 days travel
>time on either side of the weekend.
>
>This looks like a distance of about 2800 miles (4500 km).

If your distance calc is correct for an "on the road distance" (and not
as the crow flies), this is 900km a day for 5 days.  If you spend the
entire time on interstates, which would be a total waste of time, that's
at least 8 hours on the road every day not including eating/peeing/
sight-seeing etc.

I was contemplating a similar trip, but from Ottawa to LA, or
maybe Ottawa to Austin Tx.  

I figured if I wanna do a trip of this magnitude and enjoy it, I'd
have to get my ass off the major Interstates and spend LOTS of
time enjoying the country around me; i.e. stopping with a camera,
meeting towns-people, going to a few bars.  No sense spending 2 weeks
looking out a helmet with the closest human contact found at the gas
pump.

I estimated I'd need at least 4-5 weeks to make the trip worthwhile.

>I am looking for input, opinions, comments, or snarky remarks on:
>1. My sanity.

In question 8:)

>2. Suggested routes.  (Note, getting there is important, and my
>   schedule doesn't leave a lot of room for side trips, or circuitous
>   routes)

Try and stay off the interstates!!!

>5. Anybody who wants to join me on this trip.  (For even part of the
>   distance.)

Depending on your route and my plans, I may be heading that way as far
as at least Detroit.

>7. Anything that comes to mind, and that you think might be relevant.


Call the Whithorse Pess.  They're a book distributer catering to
Motorcyclists.  They have a large number of books highlighting
the best roads FOR MOTORCYCLISTS along the general route
you're looking at.  They carry listings of bed and breakfasts
all through the States which accept motorcyclists.  Order their free
catalog and within you'll probably find books covering absolutely
all you needs for this trip.  Their #'s in the Motorcyclist and/or
Cycle World classifieds.

>Thanks for any input.
>
>-David Gibbs                          (dagibbs@qnx.com)
>Kawasaki Concours                     DOD# 585

O.K.

Dave D.F.
"It's true they say that money talks.  When mine spoke it said
'Buy me a Drink!'."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104744
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

In article 1564@news.columbia.edu, rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
>When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

When it's too windy to stand.

When you're on the road in high winds, stay alert.  Even more alert
than your "alert 'cause you're on a motorcycle and they're out to kill
you" kind of alert.  Be aware of the terrain, and how it may funnel
wind in sudden gusts (well, not gusts to somebody standing there, but
it's gusty 'cause you ride through it).  If you are riding in a steady
crosswind, be aware of a hill that will block the wind, and adjust your
lean angle.  Be aware of passing trucks to your windward side, your
lean angle will change dramatically both as you enter and as you leave
their turbulance cone.  Reducing your profile may help, ie, lean on the
gas tank and kiss the triple clamp.  Keep a nimble hand on the
steering, be ready to countersteer into and out of sudden wind bursts.
Keep a larger than usual buffer zone, both ahead and behind, and to the
side, you can easily be blown half a lane over before you can react by
countersteering.  Keep a close eye on traffic in your mirror, if
someone is coming up wanting to pass, get out of their way early.  Stop
often for short brakes, extensive riding in high winds is both mentally
and physically fatiguing.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104745
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:

>And introducing a new polysyllabic word (strabismic, for example) 

Polysyllabic is polysyllabic too....

:-)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104746
From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias)
Subject: Re: Starting trouble CBR600F2

In article <97z5=sf@rpi.edu> chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung) writes:
>
>I am having trouble starting (keeping running) my 1992 CBR600F2.  I have
>had problems with it since last year, but it seemed to have subsided.  Now
>it's back again.  Problem persists regardless of choke usage pattern,
>gasoline type (brand & octane) and pretty much anything else I can imagine
>to change.  The dealer is stumped (it's still under warranty).
>
>I start the bike.  It runs great for a while (45-90 seconds) then the engine
>starts to slow down.  DECREASING the idle setting will INCREASE the engine
>speed.  INCREASING the choke INCREASES the engine speed.  Regardless, the
>engine will eventually slow down (and stop).  
>
>Once stopped, it will not restart (even after flooded engine drill).  If
>I let it sit (45-90 minutes) it starts beautifully and runs great for ever.
>So I go out, ride it hard for 100 miles and bring it back, ride it easy 
>for a few miles to let it cool down, and put it away.
>
>Next day, I go thru the same drill to get it going.
>
>Any ideas?  Has anyone seen this before?

Another F2 rider had similiar problems, and this is the mail I sent him,
hope this helps resolve you problem!

AT


> 
> Allen Tobias writes:
>  > Check the vent tube to the tank. Sometimes the tube is clogged or constricted.
>  > This prevents gas from flowing into the carbs because of the vacuum created by
>  > the displacement of the gasoline. This is the small tube on the bottom of the 
>  > tank, the large tube is the overflow. You will have to remove the left side
>  > tail section to get access to this area. 
>  > 
>  > Good Luck!
>  > 
> but if it was clogged, wouldn't this interfere with engine operation all
> the time ? When it runs, it runs well. 
> 
Good point, did not catch this in the original post. The only other things 
which come to mind, since this is a gravity feed fuel system, is this.
The fuel petcock valve is vacuum controlled from the #1 carburator. Let
suppose there is a small hole or bad seal either in the hose itself or the
vacuum valve in the fuel petcock. When it is cold, the hole is open enough
to open the valve just enough to allow gas to the carbs with the choke on, 
since the choke creates more low pressure in the carbs when on to draw gas, 
and as the engine and surrounding area warm up, the hole seals up. 

One way to check fuel flow through the valve would be to pull the side 
panels off and remove the fuel hose to the carbs. Connect a tube of the 
correct size, preferably clear tubing to observe fuel flow, on the output
side of the fuel petcock. Remove the control hose from #1 carburator. Make
sure the tank is full. Place the valve in the ON position and apply vacuum 
to the control hose, preferably with a vacuum device with a gauge, to check 
for air leaks. With vacuum applied, fuel should flow freely. To see if there is
a vent problem, do this with the fuel filler cap open and closed, if it 
flows a lot faster with the filler cap open, then there may be something in 
the vent airway which changes position and depending on the position may clog 
or partially clog the vent. I have heard of some F2 fuel tanks being replaced 
to fix this problem. So the things which might be defective are, the control
hose from #1 carb, the petcock valve, and possibly the fuel tank vent.

Now if all of the above shows no problem of fuel flow when cold, then there 
is something in the carbs screwed up, but there are so many things to check, 
I would be typing all day to list them all! 

Here are a few, with everything back together, apply vacuum to the petcock valve
and open the drain holes on the carbs one by one to check fuel flow. Open up the
airbox and check for foreign debris or clogged airways on the carbs, there are
quite a few on each carb.

I hope something is flushed out with all this trouble shooting. If American
Honda does not resolve this, get MAD AS HELL and report them to the BBB and
call the Honda Customer Service HOTLINE. It is a 800 number, but I don't recall
it off the top of my head. I called just about tires for my F2 and a few days
later a customer satisfaction inquiry card arrived at home asking how I liked
the support I received, here would be your chance to tell them what you think!

Buy the service manual on the F2, it is an invaluable source of information
for working on your bike and I might add, trouble shooting!

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104747
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: bikes

jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>
>>>I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
>>>     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
>>>                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>>
>>Do you know what Syd meant when he wrote that line??

>Damn, am I in the wrong newsgroup again?


Wrong newsgroup or no, What did Syd mean when he wrote that line?

-Erc, the always curious.                              DoD# 1138

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104748
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <C5wqsr.56L@myrddin.imat.com> nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) writes:
>In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>
>>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>>
>
>	Careful... I was similarly impressed with it at first.
>	But recently I have started finding RUST spots on the
>	chain.
>
>	I went back to PJ1... at least the sucker never rusted
>	when I was using the BlueGoo(tm).

	Spray the chain wax onto the rollers and sideplates occassionally, and
rust will not be a problem.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104749
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: XS 850 never needs valve adjustments?

smead@hpstc01.rose.hp.com (Steve Smead) writes:

>I bought a Yamaha XS850 with 8K miles.  Over the last 2 years, I've put 30K
>of commute miles onnit.  Valve adjustment intervals are suppossed to be every
>5K.  Well every 7.5K or so, I've checked the pad clearences, and they never
>change!  If anything, the clearances seem to be getting a little smaller which
>makes no sense to me with the pad system - the pads should wear until the
>clearances are too great right?  I know that threaded adjusters can tighten 
>up, but I didn't think these kind could.

>Bottom lines is that I haven't touched my valves for 30K on this bike and
>they are still nice and quiet and if anything, the clearances are tighter...
>What's the deal?  Any other Yam triple owners notice extremely long valve
>adjustment intervals?

Yeah, I had an XS750 that was the same. The valve seats tend to wear 
very slowly, and anything that might get taken off the pad (which shouldn't
really wear) will tend to compensate - so it's a sort of self-compensating
system.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104750
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Dogs vs. Bikes

In article <93112.102846RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Robert Chambers) writes:
>In article <13605@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) says:
>>
>>If you can't you've obviously waited too long, or are not putting
>>much effort into it.
>>MY 80 lb dog (not always) used to fart all the time.
>>By making her notice it (of course the smell doesn't
>>bother HER! :), and thence kicking her outside (somewhat
>>literally), she came to realize that she shoudln't do it
>>(at least not around me)
>>And now, two years later, she still doesn't./
>
>So how big is this dog now?  about the size of cow ready to burst?

What's that supposed to mean?

She's 80 lbs.

Understand english? 1/2 ;)

She let wind break cause I fed her cheap food, and not
the same thing every time.  So she had to "adjust" to
each different brand for a while.


>
-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104751
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Its still cold, but...

In <1r7pli$hoc@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:

>In article <1993Apr22.112652.8210@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk(Andy Woodward) writes:
>>>Why just the other day a large
>>>group of us where lamenting how much we admire and wish we could be just
>>>like those macho British studs we've all grown up idolizing. 
>>
>>Well, and I thought all Yanks were parochial ostriches. So some of you
>>can at least aspire to better things......

>Andy, when are you ever going to get it straight?  All Yanks are 
>self-satisfied gits.  It's the Canadians that are parochial ostriches.


  No, the Yanks are. We are are midway through our insipid invasion of 
Florida and they aren't even aware of it yet.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       







Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104752
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <1993Apr22.204012.29920@asl.dl.nec.com> drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp writes:
|Course, the only people who seem to be acting smug now probably have chain
|final drive (which, as we all know, is less efficient and has higher
|maintenance) and probably didn't know the answer at the start of the thread.

  When did *you* go out and change the laws of physics? :-)  According to some
numbers I used to see bandied around, shaft drive is on the order of 95-97%
efficient, while chain drive is closer to 99%...   Seems to me that this makes
*chain* drive more efficient, hmmmmm???

  And granted, shaft has a lot less maintenance, which is fine, if you don't
mind less performance... :-) :-)

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

       "But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104753
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <C5wDuw.L1o@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil> dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small) writes:
>In article <13608@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>>
>>Since the occurance, I've paid many
>>dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, 
>>and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous
>>assholes like yourself that think your SO above the
>>rest of the world because you've never had your
>>own little DD suaree.
>
>Some of us aren't that fucking stupid you cock sucking asshole.  That's why
>we haven't had our own little DD suaree.  I'm soo impressed that you've had
>to spend your own precious little dollars  to make up for your own stupid
>act.  Now go fuck off.
>
>
>
>Friends killed by Drunk Driving Assholes like Andress Infante:  2
>Children friends orphaned by Drunk Driving Assholes like Infante: 2
>
>
>
>Now who's the self-righteous asshole, you weak willed fuck head?
>
>

I think you are, small, feeble minded, bunghole.


Yeah, it was one stupid little act.

When are people like you gonna get it through they're thick
excuses for a skull to their pea-sized piece of shit they
call a brain that it _was_ _once_?

why don't you go back under the rock that the navy has provided
for you and your homophobic racist sexist asshole "friends" that
who give you daily rim jobs and place your opinion where it belongs,
UP YOUR ASS!?

Or, alternatively, blow me, you closeted wannabe.


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104754
From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: I NEED YOUR ADVICE! (I'm a new rider)

In article <1993Apr21.233803.18471@bsu-ucs> 00cjmelching@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>Well, if I were to do that, I would never be going over 35 mph even in
>6th gear!!!  So my question is, will it hurt my new cycle to take it up 
>in the 6-7000 rpm range so that I can at least go the speed limit????

I had the same inconvenience when I bought my EX-500; only I could at least
go 50 mph during the initial break-in.

Despite the high quality of motor oils and motorcycle engines these days,
I would follow the instructions, and just keep to city street riding for
the first 500 miles. Heck, those miles go by fast, and it's worth it to
know you haven't possibly screwed up your engine.

At the same time, this has all the makings of a 6-week-long thread debating
the whole break-in topic.

Alan

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104755
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: I NEED YOUR ADVICE! (I'm a new rider)

In article <1993Apr21.233803.18471@bsu-ucs> 00cjmelching@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>I have a very important question that I haven't been able to find 
>an answer to...I've asked mechanics and others about this, but no 
>one can really give me an answer that satisfies me.


>I just bought a brand new Kawasaki Ninja 250.  I am a first-time buyer
>as well as a first-time rider and this bike seemed to satisfy all my
>needs.  This may be the reason I don't know the answer to this question:


>The tachometer has a sticker right on it that says "for the first 500 
>miles DO NOT go over 4,000 rpm's, and for the next 500 miles, don't go
>over 6,000.  (referred to as the break-in period if you didn't know.)


>Well, if I were to do that, I would never be going over 35 mph even in
>6th gear!!!  So my question is, will it hurt my new cycle to take it up 
>in the 6-7000 rpm range so that I can at least go the speed limit????


>Any information that ANY of you could give me would be greatly
>appreciated!!!!  Just send the reply to my account, or if you'd like,
>back to the net.  

>Thank you very much for taking the time to read/reply
>to this.

>Chris Melching

Go the speed limit.  As long as your not at the salt flats, you arn't gonna 
frag yer ride.  I wouldn't ride the DoD minimum until it had 500+ miles on 
it, but hell, I do that on a good weekend!

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                          Stolen Taglines...
                        HEY! Where did they go?
                      You don't think .... naahh.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104756
From: gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten)
Subject: Re: dogs

Speedy Mercer (speedy@engr.latech.edu) wrote:
>LET fido have yer left arm.  As he bites it, bring your right forearm down 
>_HARD_ on the back of his neck while bushing back and up with the left arm 
>in fido's mouth.  This will be followed by a dull crack and one limp dog.  
>Total cost to you, a couple of holes in your left arm if you arn't wearing 
>leather.
 ^^^^^^^
So how does Aerostitch hold up with this procedure?  I'm ordering mine
Monday, May 3.  And I'm happy about it, too.  :-)  :-)

  -Mike

Mike Mitten - gnome@pd.org - ...!emory!pd.org!gnome - AMA#675197 - DoD#522
Irony is the spice of life.     '90 Bianchi Backstreet  '82 Suzuki GS850GL
"The revolution will not be televised."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104757
From: clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Rick Clarke)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

>>So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in.. 
David Gibbs replies:
>Just in case the original poster was looking for a serious answer,
>I'll supply one.
>
>Yes, even when steering no hands you do something quite similar
>to countersteering.  Basically to turn left, you to a quick wiggle
>of the bike to the right first, causing a counteracting lean to

I guess I was semi-serious. Without using my hands, I lean and the bike 
turns. When leaning, a torque is applied, at a 90deg angle to the front 
wheel's axle, just as in countersteering. However, this torque is also about 
90deg from the axis of the steering head. Instead of making the 
bike lean, gyroscopic effect makes the bars turn, but I don't remember 
which way.

-Rick

Oh yeah, I tried this in the driveway, on the centestand,(as suggested 
somewhere else) but it doesn't seem to work the same.


 
Rick Clarke  (clarke@bdrc.bd.com)
AMA# something,something,... 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104758
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1993Apr23.143128.21344@dsd.es.com>, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
> [flaming tutorial for the novice]. Another thing to consider is,
> that like Mexican food, a lot of folks mistake heat for quality. Subtle
> references to various personal qualities/habits/ancestry/possesions
> generally earn more points than four letter words or the caps lock key.
> And introducing a new polysyllabic word (strabismic, for example) is
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^
> likely to insure that some small part of your flame will become
> immortal.

Zounds!  There's a blast from the past indeed!  I'd nearly forgotten
about the strategic significance of strabismic in r.m lore.  It's
really good to see it proudly displayed again, although I'm sure
by now that its carbs are spooge-o-rama from long disuse.

Gosh, I'm tingling all over!

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104759
From: snuffy@zelator.in-berlin.de (Ronald_J. Bartle)
Subject: Low powered bikes/scooters...!


Does anybody share my opinion that in big-city traffic a bike can be so
low-powered that for example it cant accelerate out of trouble when
necessary..the "screwed-down" versions of bikes sold on the German
market with the different classes of liscence seems to make a lot of
middle aged men putt putt around on 25-40Km/Hr maschines that are
constantle getting in the way of "real" traffic!

Does anybody else have opinions on this topic!?

snuffy

-- 
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 "Ron is looking for new work Berlin"         (voice)+49.30.68963546
  -But  I do rent rooms again!"     Fax: +49.30.6860053
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104760
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

In article 3tu@menudo.uh.edu, inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU () writes:
>
>I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
>really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

An even better strategy is to leave less of a buffer between you and
the car in front, but enough to manuver around it.  Keep the bike in
1st gear with the clutch handle squeezed in (how's that for
engaged/disengaged?), until there are two cars stopped behind you.

When the next BDI cager comes screaching in, simply ride up along side
of the car in front of you.  You don't need to panic and do it, or you
will pop the clutch and stall the engine.  Do is smoothly, just
rapidly.  The cage in front of you will provide MUCH better protection
than anything else (particularly empty road).

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104762
From: nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

What worked for me on my RD350 was to lean towards the dog as I modulated
throttle to keep my ankle just ahead of his teeth.  After a few seconds of
warm pipe firmly wedged on his shoulder he turned his face sideways to see
what was so warm and got his mouth/nose/muzzle burned on the pipes.  One
yip and he veered away, never to chase me again.


Neil Kirby      DoD #0783       nak@archie.cbusa.att.com
AT&T Bell Labs  Columbus OH     USA (614) 860-5304
If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104763
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

In article <3153@shaman.wv.tek.com> robd@orca.wv.tek.com writes:
>In article <13712@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew 
>Infante) writes:
>> You really expect a cop to answer these honestly?
>> 
>> (First you gotta expect a cop to be honest...that's another
>> story...)
>
>Yeah, everybody knows cops always lie...and the people they deal with day in
>and day out *ALWAYS* tell the truth..."No sir, occifer sir, I wazznut drinking
>tonight, I was just playing around back there..." "No sir, I wasn't speeding,
>I was realy only going xxmph, it was that guy next to me...didn't ya see
>him?"
>
>Come on...stereotyping cops is no better than those that stereo type us. 
>What say we try to show the same open mind to those around us as we would
>ask for ourselves...I know its a stretch...but its worth a try.
>

My reason for saying that was 'cause _I_, if _I_ were a cop
wouldn't go out of my way to tell people how to break the law.

Would you?

The part about honesty was a joke, sorta.

Obviously, people have had bad experiences with cops
lying.  Obviously, nobody's perfect and nobody
_always_ tells the truth about everything.

(Or are you God? 1/4 ;)


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104764
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Daytona

In <RTARAZ.93Apr22104337@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:

>Well, I watched the Daytona race on TNN.  Boy for the people who saw
>it:
>Was the Yamaha a lot faster than the Kawi or what?  on the last
>stretch the Yami took of and left the Kawi in the dust.  I am a Kawi
>rider and am totaly disappointed in the Kawi!

  Lawson was on the Yamaha.

Not taking anything away from Russel, but, well...

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       








Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104765
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Re: Its still cold, but...

In article <C5y4t4.LA6@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>In <1r7pli$hoc@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>>Andy, when are you ever going to get it straight?  All Yanks are 
>>self-satisfied gits.  It's the Canadians that are parochial ostriches.
>
>  No, the Yanks are. We are are midway through our insipid invasion of 
>Florida and they aren't even aware of it yet.

Typical.  Their first attempt at foriegn-policy adventurism, and no one even
notices.

Canadians.  They can even make balkanization boring.


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104766
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Locks and security (was Re: Yamaha Locks)

This is maybe not a Pet Peeve, but definitely a Playmate Peeve:

In article <C5uxrp.5F8@news2.cis.umn.edu> wfk@lynx.spa.umn.edu (Bill Ketzeback) writes:
|Any lock including the Kyptonite utypes are EASY to break into if the person has
|the proper supplies and/or motivation. 3 minutes and your bike is gone!
|I would be glad to explain but I dont want to contribute to any unlawful
|activities. 

Does this make anyone's Skeptic Alarm (tm) go off?  No offense, Bill, I
don't mean to say that you're not being straight, but I wonder how you
know about this?  Have you actually every used your secret method to break
all the different kinds of bike locks?  Or are you taking someone's word
for it?

The fact is, it is unlikely that someone reading anything here is going to
go into a successful bike-stealing business because they read anything in
rec.motorcycles.  So please tell us what you are talking about.  We can't
even protect against an assault, or discuss methods, if you don't come out
with it.

See, I have heard the ones about the pipes, and the liquid nitrogen, and the
cordless Dremel tools, and a bunch of other ones.  The most plausable method
(I am not a bike thief, so I really don't know for certain) is just to put
a rod through each wheel, and use four guys to just lift the bike into a
truck.  This works because most people don't lock their bikes TO anything.
Since that method is so childishly easy, I figure a nice, visible chain or
cable locking the bike to something is likely to make a lazy thief go on
to the next bike.

(Hey, finally an advantage to the weight and high CG of the Concours!  :-)

|Especially since I have a bike that I would hate to see ripped off
|by such a trival tactic. WARNING NO lock alone is a safe deterent against theft,
|the thief doesnt need to be a locksmith or a lock-picker to walk away with your
|property!  I personally think motion alarms in combination to a lock
|of this type is the way to go if in fact you are that concerned.

What tactic are you referring to?  If we don't know what you are talking about,
we can't very well guard against it, can we?

For my money (literally) I rely on a combination of a motion-detector alarm
with pager when I'm out of earshot of the bike in a questionable area, C&C
insurance, and I try to park in obvious, visible areas with lots of people
about.  (See, if someone just plays with the bike without intention of
stealing it, at least some eyes are on it, and if they get too rambunctious,
they'll set off the alarm.)

That's for a nice bike.  For a ratbike, the trick is to always keep its
actual value well below blue-book, so that it looks so crappy nobody would
WANT to steal it, and even if they were stupid enough to, you would make
a profit on the deal.  :-)

Seriously, if I (for instance) need to go on a business trip for a week,
and (sadly) have to leave the bikes sitting, they both get a shitty-looking,
but useable cover, locked on, and both bikes locked to each other and a
curb bumper in the parking lot under the light.  I usually rig the cable
locks I use (aircraft cable) so that if anyone pulls on either bike or
the cable joining them, the Concours alarm goes off.  And I have a friend
come buy every day to have a look and make sure they're still there.  The
only thing I have ever had stolen was a $60 cover, and that was over 
winter storage, with the battery out of the bike (and thus no alarm).

Oh, put your own eyelets into the cover for the locks to pass through, and
place them so that they have to absolutely destroy the cover to get it off.

That's the best that I can think of.  Most of the locks I see people put
on bikes look, well, not too mechanically sound.  I like ABUS, since I have
personally removed Master locks from lockers with my boot.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104767
From: robg@apple.com (Rob Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

In article <1r941o$3tu@menudo.uh.edu>, inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU wrote:
>
> [BDC driver nearly rams back of innocent biker...]
> 
> I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
> really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

Glad to hear that the bozo managed to stop.  I've only been riding for
about two years, but here are my rules for traffic light survival:

     - I try to *never* stop just over a hill behind a car.  If I have
       to stop in such a location, I pull almost completely next to the
       car in front of me.  If I'm the only one (ie no car in front), I
       turn the bike somewhat sideways across the lane, to increase my
       visibility to any oncoming vehicle.  Make sure to keep your
       taillight visible to traffic, though. (NOTE:  My bike is bright
       white; turning sideways on a black bike might not be as beneficial.)

     - On a flat road, I stop with a bit of room ahead of me (usually
       about two or three bike lengths).  This will (hopefully) give
       me room to pull forward and to the side as a car approaches.

     - If you are the last in a line of vehicles, watch your mirrors
       *constantly!*  If you see a vehicle approaching, and can't see
       any evidence to indicate that he/she is slowing down, get out
       of the way *now!*

     - Flicker your brake light.  If I'm the last vehicle in line, I
       will pull and release the brake as a car approaches from
       behind (noticed the car by watching my mirrors, of course :-).
       I vary the speed of the flicker, hoping to make the cager notice
       that there's something in the lane ahead of him.

Now, with all that said, it's the situation where you are first in line
that I feel most defenseless.  If you're first in line, your forward escape
route is seriously limited - you can only move forward to the extent that
you don't enter the intersection.  I leave some room behind the stop line
(although around here, the #@$*! light activators are always right up 
next to the stop line!), and watch the mirrors.  I *think* I've decided
that hopping off the bike might be the best way out of this situation.
Any other ideas for being first in line with no traffic directly behind
you?

-rob.

--
Rob Griffiths  | Erasure.ShonaLaing.WildSwans.B52s.U2.JudyBats.REM.Smiths
robg@apple.com |  FAA Certified cloud basher  I wanna drive the Zamboni!

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104768
From: jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

While on my bike I wave to anyone who looks.  Sort of like the "small town"
or "wide open spaces" type thing that someone from Louisiana mentioned. (Like
when I'm in Arkansas or Helena MT.)  Kids are especially fun - both genders
(Watch it Cliff!! :-) )  

In the cage I usually wave to bikers.  They usually don't wave back.  My wife
thinks it's strange but I don't care.

Jim Bessette
james.bessette@att.com


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104769
From: BONG@slac.stanford.edu (Eric Bong)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <C5y8Gp.1An@cbnews.cb.att.com>, nak@cbnews.cb.att.com
(neil.a.kirby) wrote:
> 
> What worked for me on my RD350 was to lean towards the dog as I modulated
> throttle to keep my ankle just ahead of his teeth.  After a few seconds of
> warm pipe firmly wedged on his shoulder he turned his face sideways to see
> what was so warm and got his mouth/nose/muzzle burned on the pipes.  One
> yip and he veered away, never to chase me again.

  Nice ridin' Tex. I use the California DMV recommended technique:
slow as you aproach said dog and wick it up as you pass. I've often
contemplated putting the boot in said dog's muzzle as I open the 
throttle, but have never tried that. I figgure the impact would 
unballance me and I'd dump the bike. A bicycling technique I've
employed was to use my frame mounted tire pump to fend off dog
attacks. On one occasion I was attacked by a pack of four dogs at
once while peddaling up a steep hill. I lost my right sock, but no
blood. I complained to the local Animal Control department (after
complaining to the owner of the dogs to no affect) about the dogs;
no more dogs, no more attacks. The telephone worked much better
than the tire pump.

Eric Bong DoD #0270
1986 FZ750
1987 FZR750
1991 VFR750

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104770
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

In article <1993Apr23.121316.1564@news.columbia.edu> Rob Castro writes:
>When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

Isn't that one of those self-evident things like, "how do you decide that
you're out of gas"?

I have never experienced wind so severe it physically precluded operation
of a motorcycle.  It's more a matter of deciding whether the aggravation
is more trouble than it's worth.  This of course, depends entirely on your
own particular circumstances and personal disposition.



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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104771
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1993Apr23.143128.21344@dsd.es.com> bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <ltdv8aINN3hb@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
>>In article <1r6ob9$oav@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>
>>>And of course, you will get a moderate amount of flamage
>>>just for expressing an opinion, no matter what the opinion is *somebody*
>>>will flame you for it.
>>
>>"Hey, what the hell do you mean by that?  You suck.  I have a god-given
>>right to express opinions, carry a gun and to not wear a helmet, goddamn 
>>it. Everything you stand for is STUPID."
>
>I'd give it an 0.5 on a scale of 10. While not mentioning Hitler or
>Koresh weighs in your favor, you also neglected to mention 105 mph, tennis
>balls, little girls and countersteering. Another thing to consider is,

	...or centerstands, or weasel squeezers, or ....

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104772
From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <BONG-230493121730@kfp-slac-mac.slac.stanford.edu> BONG@slac.stanford.edu (Eric Bong) writes:
>  Nice ridin' Tex. I use the California DMV recommended technique:
>slow as you aproach said dog and wick it up as you pass. I've often

This must be the standard strategy that is taught, cuz that's what they told
me to do in my Illinois MSF class. It works well, only you don't get the
satisfaction of kicking the shit out of some rabid hell-beast.

Alan



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104773
From: k21701@kyyppari.hkkk.fi (Teppo Nieminen)
Subject: Kawi KZ 750 partial engine disassembly ?

My Kawasaki KZ 750 L4 has 2-3 millimetres of play on the gearchange
pedal axle, in other words, I can move the axle sideways & up-and-down
for few millimetres to each direction. This doesn't bother me when
riding, but I guess fixing it wouldn't hurt. Last summer I took the
bike to a shop to have the valves adjusted, and the mechanic mentioned
that it should be an easy job. All I would have to do is to remove the
front sprocket cover and replace a bushing or a seal that I would find
there. Well, upon a closer inspection I discovered that the gearchange
axle doesn't even run through the sprocket cover. It seems that, in
addition to removing the cover, I would have at least to remove the
sprocket and then the cover that is behind the sprocket.

Question : Would removing this small cover from the left side of the
engine enable me to lay my hands on that bushing/seal (Don't know the
exact term in english, sorry) ?

Question : Has anybody done this disassembly job for this or some
other purpose ? Does the oil, for example, stay inside the engine ?

Thanks !

Teppo Nieminen
DoD #2000
Zoo Mc Helsinki Finland


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104774
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Passenger helmet sizing

In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>> 
>> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for 
>>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church 
>>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just 
>>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I 
>>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely 
>>passenger? 
>
>If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
>crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
>primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
>spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
>small one).

While shopping for a passenger helmet, I noticed that in many cases the
external dimensions of the helmets were the same from S through XL.  The
difference was the amount of inside padding.

My solution was to buy a large helmet, and construct a removable liner 
from a sheet of .5" closed-cell foam and some satin (glued to the inside
surface).  The result is a reasonably snug fit on my smallest-headed pillion
with the liner in, and a comfortable fit on my largest-headed pillion with
the liner out.  Everyone else gets linered or not by best fit.



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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104775
From: tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

Bill Ranck writes:

>As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
>right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
>down a rathole.
>   When you guys sort this out let me know.
>
><--
>*******************************************************************************
>* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
>* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
>*******************************************************************************

Ditto for me..

-Tim Seiss
 '92K75S
 '89KX250

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104776
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: Used Bikes, East vs. West Coasts

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / groverc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Grover Cleveland) /  9:07 am  Apr 14, 1993 /
Shop for your bike in Sacramento - the Bay area prices are
always much higher than elsewhere in the state.

GC
----------
Affirmative! Check Sacramento Bee, Fresno Bee, Modesto, Stockton,
Bakersfield and other newspapers for prices of motos in the
classifieds...a large main public library ought to have a
number of out-of-town papers. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104777
From: gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Heinz)
Subject: What do I do with OLD gasoline? HELP!

I have a '72 CL350 which I stopped riding about 2 years ago (I upgraded
to an '84 Sabre 750).  I parked it in the corner of my parking lot, and planned
on draining the gas, spraying oil in the tank, etc. to get it ready to store.
Well, after a lot of procrastination, all I ended up doing was throwing a 
tarp on it.

Well, now I have to move and want to clean up the 350.  I tried starting it
(with someone else's battery) and had no luck.  My first guess is that it is
the gas and so I plan on draining it and replacing it with new gas (I can only
pray that I didn't trash the carbeurators).  The question is, what do I do
with this old gas?  I am not going to run it in my Sabre, and I think that
there is enough that I don't want to burn it (campus police don't think
too kindly about bonfires).  Dumping it isn't a great idea.        

Thanks for any ideas,
George Heinz

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104778
From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:

>Are there traditional
>signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???

My experience is when they pound their fists on your back it means "slow down".

Seriously, concentrate on being very smooth, and you will make her
experience much more enjoyable.  Even a normal upshift causes your
passenger to bob, so I ease off the throttle before pulling in the
clutch to eliminate this.  It's more work, but your passenger will
appreciate it!  Also, I've found that using more rear brake than normal
helps keep the bike from diving as much during routine stops, which
makes it much easier for the passenger to hang on.  If you're going
sport riding, have the passenger reach around you and brace themselves
against the tank so you don't have to bear both your weights with your
arms.  (Again your bike will dive less too)

-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104779
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>and copped <heh> an attitude when he was stopped?  Speaking as a guy
>who recieved a *verbal warning* for 146mph in a 55, I just have to laugh.
 

Hey Dan, 
Some potentially cool story stuff here... Do share the details.
*I* never get a break, probably most of us don't either, so please, 
enlighten and enliven, and let us live vicariously.

Waitin' for that story...


-Erc. 
GrandRapids, MI, USA
`90 VFR750f
DoD# 1138


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104780
From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: DoD Confessional

In article <1993Apr21.053721.551@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>
>I hate pre'80s motorcycles.
>
>At first I thought it was a phase.  I though I would
>get used to them.  It didn't happen.  I tried gazing
>at CB750s and 900 customs, 

	Thats pretty hard since CB900 customs weren't introduced
	until 1980.  If you find a pre-80 one, hold onto it.  It
	will be worth big bucks some day.

>What am I to do?  Everytime I read a .sig containing 
>some spoked wheel wonder, I shudder and feel pity that
>the poor soul has suffered enough.  

	Mine has comstar wheels.  Methinks you need to do
	your homework better.

>= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
>===================================================

	And obviously, neither do you.

-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
AMA			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104781
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <speedy.173@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>In article <5295@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
>>*Everything* in Louisiana is related to liquor:  eating, sleeping, walking,
>>talking, church, state, life, death, and everything in between.
>
>How DARE you make such an accusation!  

Accusation?  I thought it was a recommendation.  (I mean, I did grow up there,
I oughta know).

>If We wern't so busy unloading the beer truck for the week end, 
>I might just come up that and have a talk wit you! B->

Bring the truck and about 10 pounds of crawfish and we'll talk.



-- 
Ray Shea    		 
UniSQL, Inc.		 	
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu 
DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT     

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104782
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1r6ob9$oav@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>And of course, you will get a moderate amount of flamage
>just for expressing an opinion, no matter what the opinion is *somebody*
>will flame you for it.

Oh, Bill, you are so full of shit.  That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.




ObMOTO:  I happened to miss the discussion of deltabox frames, if there was
one, because I actually needed to get some work done last week.  So if anybody
would care to repeat what got said (since I was the guy who asked, and I'm
still ignorant) could you email me?  Thanks.





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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104783
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1993Apr23.143128.21344@dsd.es.com> bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <ltdv8aINN3hb@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
[...]
>>"Hey, what the hell do you mean by that?  You suck.  I have a god-given
>>right to express opinions, carry a gun and to not wear a helmet, goddamn 
>>it. Everything you stand for is STUPID."
>
>I'd give it an 0.5 on a scale of 10. While not mentioning Hitler or
>Koresh weighs in your favor, you also neglected to mention 105 mph, tennis
>balls, little girls and countersteering. Another thing to consider is,
>that like Mexican food, a lot of folks mistake heat for quality. Subtle
>references to various personal qualities/habits/ancestry/possesions
>generally earn more points than four letter words or the caps lock key.
>And introducing a new polysyllabic word (strabismic, for example) is
>likely to insure that some small part of your flame will become
>immortal.
>-- 
>Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
>bgardner@dsd.es.com

Aw, c'mon.  The serious overreaction ought to be worth a couple of points,
not to mention the bit condemning everthing the flamee might ever say.
The non sequitur about guns and helmets is just the proper flourish.

I personally am of the opinion that there are two types of good flames.
The first does trade ``quality,'' in the sense you mention, for heat.
This has a certain surprise value and if done correctly, which I
contend was done above, is reasonably entertaining.  While it is true that
the flame I posted does not mention anyone's habitual velocity, friends,
dinner, or entertainment, it says what it needs to with the appropriate
flair and it is short.  The weakness of this type of flame is actually
that it can easily be taken too far, at which point it becomes trite and
boring.  (Witness the Infante thread recently....)

The other type of flame, which you seem to be glorifying above, has
a few weaknesses as well.  In the first place, it can get verbose and 
tedious in the extreme, particularly if the reader does not already strongly
identify with one side or the other.  In the second, discussing someone's
personal qualities, habits, and so forth can quickly become libelous.
(Or is that slanderous?  I can never remember the difference.)  This leads
to a proliferation of lawyers, which is widely regarded as a BAD THING.
Finally, introducing polysyllabic words is problematic.  I can't haul my
big dic. around on my bike, and it would be bad form to use a word which
actually turned out to have a meaning, especially one which ran counter
to my use and flamage in general.

In summary, Blaine, your score for that flame is incorrect.  While it may
be the wunder-flame, the weaknesses you point out are not necessarily
weaknesses, and your suggested corrections are not always useful nor
applicable.  You also probably couldn't outrun a tennis ball with a
flatulent dog stapled to your posterior, and I'll bet you and your 
motorcycle lean to the outside while turning.  The same goes for anyone
who looks like you, too.


-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104784
From: jscosta@srv.PacBell.COM (Jon Costa)
Subject: Are other riders welcome to join group


When riding in a group, generally speaking, do most people mind when
another rider tags along?

I had the distinct feeling I may not have been welcome when I tagged 
along with a group last weekend.

Jon
Faults are like car headlights. Those of others seem more glaring than our own.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104785
From: smm@cthulu.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <93Apr22.205325.32751@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
|> In article <1r48c7$k35@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
|> >In article 21311@adobe.com, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
|> >>In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
|> >>}Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
|> >>}we have *all* the advantages.
|> >>
|> >>I agree with this 100%. 
|> >
|> >Me, too... for chihuahua's.  The police and the military don't train
|> >dobermans and shephards and use them as weapons because they are so
|> >easy for the average Joe to defeat barehanded.  You may have opposing
|> >thumbs, but the dog has teeth so effective some of yours are named for
|> >him.  He has IR vision, better hearing and better smell than you do,
|> >and most likely faster reflexes.
|> >
|> >You're on a motorcycle, he's on paws.  Roll on and blow him off.  He
|> >doesn't even have net access.
|> 
|> Oh bull pucky, Ed. They use dogs because a) Many people are
|> scared shitless of them and b) because of the nose and the
|> vision and hearing. Without their cop partner in attendance,
|> the dog is so much meat in the hands of any human with
|> a bad attitude and al ittle training in violent force.

Oh horse puckey.  Without their cop partner in attendance, they are less likely
to be controllable *without* the use of force which would kill the dog.

|> 
|> Those teeth aren't very much good with an arm shoved into the
|> back
|> of the animals throat and held there, and the neck is not

O.k.  so you've disabled the dog's mouth, and given up use of your arm to do
so.  How `bout them front and read paws, and the fact that to plug up that 
mouth you've given the dog the advantage of balance...

|> espcially strong. neither are the leg joints which can be
|> easily snapped, or the skull easily crushed, on even the largest
|> dogs.

Have you ever tried to snap leg or crush the skull of a dog without use of 
hardened instruments such as a baseball bat?  Without the use of both arms and
full cooperation of the beastie involved, it's not *that* easy.  Oh, but wait,
you've got your arm shoved in the dogs mouth.  You lose....

|> Your advice is correct, but a dog is still no match for a trained
|> human in a fight.

Oh *now* you qualify you earlier statement by saying a *trained* human.  

|> >>}Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
|> >>}we have *all* the advantages.

Most people here have not been trained to deal with a dog that wants to maul
you.  get a clue.

|> 
|> Regards, Charles
|> -- 
|> Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
|> separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
|> struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
|> gourd. --Unknown net.person

Steve Mansfield	  | I was told theres a miracle for each day that I try.  I was
smm@uunet.uu.net  | told there's new love that born for each one that has died.
1983 Suzuki GS550E| I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone
DoD# 1718	  | and afraid.  I was told if you dream of the next world
                  | you'll find yourself swimming in a lake of fire.
                Dream Theater - Metropolis-Part I "The Miracle and the Sleeper"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104786
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <MELLON.93Apr21145149@pepper.ncd.com> mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
writes:
> 
> On a long ride with my ex-girlfriend Nancy, I would notice her
> drifting off every so often [...]

	I swore off taking passengers over ten years ago, but I recall
 Sturgis, 1981 getting some strange looks because my passenger
 was reading a book.  She was so engrossed that she didn't even
 notice when we hit a roadkill to make the hit-of-the-day
 with the riders behind us.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104787
From: lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands)
Subject: Paint jobs in the UK

Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area. 

Thanks 

Lisa Rowlands
-- 
Alex Technologies Ltd		CP House
				97-107 Uxbridge Road
Tel: 	+44 (0)81 566 2307	Ealing
Fax: 	+44 (0)81 566 2308	LONDON
email:	lisa@alex.com		W5 5LT

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104788
From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
: kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled:

Jonathan Quist bemoaned:

: : |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes 
of A.M.,
: : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have 
non-British
: : |> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing

Lotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was 
late and too pricey.  If they can write off the Elan development costs the may 
be able to sell them for a sensible price.


: : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
: : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
: : the name.

: : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

: I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR.  It's a seperate
: company from the RR Aero-Engine company. 

It's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars. 

And yes Kevin it is posts, Morgan use a sliding pillar front suspension.

Ob Bike (at long bleeding last): When will that Pettefar bloke get a mail 
address so we can bung him on the Ogri list?

dave
--
David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
"This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104789
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) wrote:
>  
>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock 
> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...

Gravity. It'll never let you down, er up, er...

Lesson: Put your helmet on the ground or your head. If you put it on the
ground, it isn't gonna fall down _to_ the ground. If you put it on your
head, well...

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104790
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) wrote:
> 
> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
> >tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
> [...]
> >>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
> >>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
> >>how long it would take me to push my horn button??
> [...]
> >The answer is 161.33 feet.
> [...]
> 
> Try something like 24.2 feet. 
> 
> EdGetACalculator

Right. ROM numbers (easy to remember) 100 mph ~= 150 ft/sec.

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104791
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: More MOA stuff --- like the RA

In article <C5p26B.A3x@world.std.com>, artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)
wrote:
> 
> OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept 
> leadership.
> 
> My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the
> formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years
> ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups?

Yep. Both were started (nominally) simultaneously. Splitsville from the
start (ie, if my sources are correct, one guy was involved in the start of
both groups. true?)

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104792
From: cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady)
Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts

The best thing to do is to get a full face, even if it is a
cheap brain bucket.  I didn't think a full face was important
until I took a gnarly spill and ended up sliding 20 feet on my
face.  Plus with the visor down, you also have no worries about
your contacts.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104793
From: cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

There's also Billy Jack, The Wild One, Smokey and the Bandit
(Where Jerry Reed runs his truck over Motorcycle Gangs Bikes),
and a video tape documentary on the Hell's Angels I
found in a rental store once

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104794
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist

The Angel Levine writes:


>It's exactly as dangerous as it looks.

Did you have anyone in particular in mind there Jody?

:-)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104795
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question?

lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:

>There has been a running thread on the need to understand
>countersteering.  I have seen a lot of opinion, but not much of it has
>any basis in fact or study.  The bottom line is:

>The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among
>the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study.

>The "average rider" does not identify that countersteering alone
>provides the primary input to effect motorcycle lean by themselves,
>even after many years of practice.

I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt
study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure*
to swerve? In most of the accidents and near accidents that I've seen, riders
will almost always stand on the brakes as hard as they dare, simply because
the instinct to brake in the face of danger is so strong that it over-rides
everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive
manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally preferable?



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104796
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Looking for Women's Motorcycle Helmet

lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:

>Hi Janice

>I don't know if I'm being unduly cautious, but I wouldn't buy a used helmet, not for normal road use anyway. You never really know what's happened to them in their past life !

>Have fun,

>Lisa Rowlands

I'll second that!! I saw a list somewhere of all the stuff that it was 
unwise to buy secondhand - stuff like parachutes, toilet paper, condoms
and motorcycle helmets...

Seriously though, why take the risk? You are extremely unlikely to get
a good-fitting secondhand helmet, cos life just doesn't work like that!
And as Lisa says, you never know where it's been before...



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104797
From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>

In Article <C5quw0.Btq@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> "mikeh@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Hollyman)" says:
> Hi, I have an 82 CB750 Custom that I just replaced the cylinder head gasket
> on.  Now when I put it back together again, it wouldn't idle at all.  It was
> only running on 2-3 cylinders and it would backfire and spit flames out the
> exhaust on the right side.  The exhaust is 4-2 MAC.  I bought new plugs
> today and it runs very rough and still won't idle.  I am quite sure the fine
> tune knobs on the carbs are messed up.  I checked the timing, it was fine, so
> I advanced it a little and that didn't help.  
> 
> I assume the carbs need to be synched.  Can I buy a kit and do this myself?
> If so, what kit is the best for the price.
> 
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Mike Hollyman
> 
It sounds like you got the cam timing off..........

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104798
From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)
Subject: Re: Antifreeze/coolant

In Article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com> "behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)" says:
> 	For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,
> what brand of coolant do you use and why?  I am looking for aluminum-safe
> coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.
> (Can you believe it:  the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official
> Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!!  No way I'm paying that usury...)
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
> Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
> agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
> 
I thought that all coolants were aluminum safe any more. But I would
like to know more since I must tear down my Kawasaki (again I must add).

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104799
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: First bike: Honda Ascot?

In article <C5tH9w.78o@csi.compuserve.com> nbetz@csi.compuserve.com (Nathan Betz) writes:

>Hi folks.
> 
>I'm going to be buying my first bike and I'm considering an 82
>Honda Ascot FT500 with less than 5K miles. Does this sound like a
>reasonable choice? Is there anything special I need to know?
> 
>Thanks.
> 
>-Nathan

Nice litle bike.  I loved riding my brother-in-law's.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104800
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks)

To follow-up, I had a bad experience w/ a Krypto Lock too...

Last year I bought a Krypto Cable II (3/8"x3-4' long, something like that)
that by all standards seemed like a decent piece.  Until I used it anyway...
Before I ever used it for security purposes, I used it for entertainment
(minds out of the gutter, please), which is to say that I sat fiddling w/
it while watching TV (the night I got it).  After three minutes of mindless
fiddling (of course it was mindless, remember I was watching TV) the entire
tumbler mechanism came out on the key!  Not unlike that old Georgie-porgie
nursery rhyme.  This left a very empty cylinder and a very non-secure 
(read "swingin' in the breeze") cable lock.
Kinda makes me wonder about any flat key-style lock.  One yank w/ a 
slide-hammer and Viola-- I'm making an insurance claim.

Anyone else have a similar experience (w/ the Kryptos, not bike theft)?

-Erc.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104801
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Paint jobs in the UK

lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:

>Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area. 

>Thanks 

>Lisa Rowlands

Try Dream Machine, 0602 736615. I've seen a few examples of their
work and it looks pretty good. They're in the midlands though...




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104802
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Cager antics on the football field...


There was an article in one of the U.K. dailies this week
about a soccer goalkeeper who had to be carried off the
field after a collision with a Ford Sierra cage.

Seems the cage driver wanted to turn around, but needed to
drive onto the pitch to do this, so he waited till the ball
and most of the players were up the other end. Unfortunately,
as soon as he started his manouvre someone booted the ball back down
the pitch, the goalkeeper ran backwards towards his goal, straight
into the cage!



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104803
From: bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:

>Since the occurance, I've paid many
>dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, 
>and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous
>assholes like yourself that think your SO above the
>rest of the world because you've never had your
>own little DD suaree.

"The devil made me do it!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104804
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question?

>>>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:30:30 GMT, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) said:
Mike> lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
Me> The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among
Me> the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study.

Mike> I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt
Mike> study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure*
Mike> to swerve?

Yes, it was specifically the *ability* or understanding of the
technique which was absent.  We have made a lot of progress between
rider education and responsibility over the last ten-twenty years...
but I am still amazed anytime I teach an ERC how many people of many
year riding experience "discover" countersteering for cornering or
swerving.

Mike> everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive
Mike> manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally
Mike> preferable?

The specific recommandation cited in the Hurt study was that a formal
"street strategy", like SIPDE for example, was the most important
component of any rider education curriculum.  The specific skills of
emergency braking, cornering and swerving must be taught and practiced
as well, but more significant was that 35% of rider did NOTHING
confronted with a potential accident, and another third collided or
fell over as a result of rider error.  The choice of specific maneuver
is much less significant to the outcome than early detection and
the proper execution of ANY effective countermeasure.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104805
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last 

Pete Young, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 08:29:21 GMT wibbled:
: Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:

: : Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Another newbie bites the dust, eh?  They'll learn.

: Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was
: in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag.
Is this bit funny?

: Most of the people who made this group interesting 3 or 4 years ago
: are no longer around and I only have time to make a random sweep
: once a week or so. Hence I missed most of this thread. 
I'm terribly sorry.

: Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm,
: wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I
: assumed you were serious. Mea culpa.
I know, I know. Subtlety is sort of, you know, subtle, isn't it.

: Still, it's nice to see that BNR are doing so well that they can afford
: to overpay some contractors to sit and read news all day.
That's foreign firms for you.


..and a touchy newbie, at that.

What's the matter, too much starch in the undies?
--

Nick (the Considerate Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   None Gum-Chewer

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
                                   (-

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104806
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

Charles Parr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:25:10 GMT wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:

: >If Satan rode a bike (CB1000?) would you stop to help him?

: Of course! We riders have to stick together, you know...Besides,
: he'd stop for me.

: Satan, by the way, rides a Vincent. So does God.

: Jesus rides an RZ350, the Angels get Ariels, and the demons
: all ride Matchless 500s.

: I know, because they talk to me through the fillings in my teeth.

: Regards, Charles
: DoD0.001
: RZ350
: -- 
: Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
: separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
: struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
: gourd. --Unknown net.person


I think that the Vincent is the wrong sort of bike for Satan to ride.
Honda have just brought out the CB1000 (look in BIKE Magazine) which
looks so evil that Satan would not hesitate to ride it.  17-hole DMs,
Levi 501s and a black bomber jacket.  I'm not sure about the helmet,
oh, I know, one of those Darth Vader ones.  There you go.  Satan.
Anybody seen him lately?  Just a cruisin'?

God would ride a Vincent White Lightning with rightous injection.
He'd wear a one-piece leather suit with matching boots, helmet and gloves.
--

Nick (the Righteous Biker)  DoD 1069  Concise Oxford  New (non-leaky) gearbox

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104807
From: bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <bethdC5sv80.698@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>=================================================================
>Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
>1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
>1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
>1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
>"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
>                                                        -- ZZ Top
>=================================================================

Now just wait one cotton picking minute here.... DoD rule 417.1.2 section 6
paragraph 3 clearly indicates that multiple people can't lay claim to a bike
in an "obvious" ploy to "artificially" increase the size of their stable...

So the question of the day is... Is Spike owned by a lady of true class and
breeding (my definition: any woman who rides :-) ) or by Tom the harely head???
I also note that you lay no claim to Connie or Ol Sport. (Like I said, 
obviously a lady of discriminating taste...)

Bored minds wanta know.

bj...bradw@Newbridge.com... no .sig no .plan no.clue  >> DoD# 255 <<

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104808
From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

Don't find out if she has to pee by scaring it out of her.

Don't armorall the seat just before her first ride even if you think
you will need its urine-proofing qualities.

Henry Prange - biker/renal physiologist
Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405
DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215
ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2
The four tenets of all major religions:
1. I am right. 2. You are wrong.  3. Hence, you deserve to be punished.
4. By me.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104809
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)

>In article <1993Apr20.195116.123380@locus.com> dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
>>In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>>>In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
>>>
>>>>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>>>       ^^^^^^
>>>    excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.
>>
>>
>>Squids are everybody but me and you.  Chris Behanna is especially a squid.

A squid is the guy I saw back in December on cool 40 degree morning on my way
to work. He was wearing knee-length pants, light jacket, no gloves, though he
was going considerably slower than DoD nominal.

A POSER squid was the guy I saw yesterday on my way home.  Similar attire as
above sans jacket (it is April in Texas ya know), but he is riding down the
freeway, left hand on his side (kinda Robinhoodlike), with his body turned
slightly left.  Brings a whole new meaning to the term POSER.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104810
From: cds@ossi.com (Chris Seabrook)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

A few random thoughts on riding with a passenger:

There's no substitute for a bike with sufficient power, having taken
passengers very occasionally on the small (125 etc) bikes I used to
ride in the UK it was hard ! I'm now riding a GS1100 and that's great,
even moving from my freinds GSX600 I was riding recently. This may be due
in part to the fact that neither I, nor my regular passengers, are
particularly slimline !

I always tell passengers, stay in line with the bike on corners, that makes
their movements predictable.

My regular passengers both tend to hold either the rack or nothing at all,
I don't really like having a passenger hold onto me except for short periods.
Again that may be biased by the fact that I've had a couple of new passengers
(a friend recently for her first time on a bike) who hold on to me real tight,
making any kind of maneuvering difficult.

I've also discovered that on longer trips I prefer a passenger who moves and
shifts their weight a bit. I recently took a work collegue to a meeting (about
a 1 hour ride) and he sat totally still the whole way which left me also
sitting very still and getting a sore back.

We have a code system for turns, stop and for 'I need to shift position'.
-- 
Chris Seabrook, Fujitsu Open Systems Solutions Inc | Phone: +1-510-652-6200x118
6121 Hollis Street, Emeryville, CA 94608-2092, USA | Fax:   +1-510-652-5532
                                                   | DoD:    #0861
             Per saltire gules and Or, a sun counterchanged.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104811
From: frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro)
Subject: Hawk GT new seat review

Unable to stand the pain anymore, my wife bought the Corbin Gunfighter
and Lady with Passenger Backrest for my Hawk GT.

It came with no instructions, but it came 2 weeks earlier than they
said it would.  Installation would have been very easy, but the seat
fastening hardware was apparently always on the wrong sides with
the stock seat!  It never was easy to put on.  Once I figured that
out, the new seat went on the first try.  The passenger backrest, though,
does not fit as I thought it might.  The supplied screw to set the 
backrest angle does not fit, and I have not yet found a suitable, 
hard, ( SAE grade 8, or perhaps 5 ) 1/4-20 bolt that fits.  There is a
a soft bolt in there now -- just don't lean back.

The driver's section of the seat is a bit wider.  Seems comfortable
enough, but then again I put about 5000 miles on the stock seat
without a thought.  The passenger's section has about 8 times the 
volume of foam that the stock seat has, and from my short test it
seems much more comfortable.  The backrest helps a bit, but I've not 
has enough time to really test it.  The backrest also comes with a 
small pocket.  Its now more difficult to swing my leg up over the 
10" taller seat.

If I go on the three-notch ride soon ( Dixville, Pinkham & Smugglers),
I'll give a more complete report, but in general it seems like an
improvement.
-- 
	 Frank Evan Perdicaro 				Xyvision Color Systems
      Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.		101 Edgewater Drive
   inhouse: frank@marvin, x5572				Wakefield MA
outhouse: frank@contex.com, 617-245-4100x5572		018801285

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104812
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>I bought it, I tried it:
>
>It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>
>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>

I'd try it on the VFR, but goddamn Competition Accessories hasn't mailed my
order yet.  Hell, it's only been two weeks and I was ordering some pretty
bizzare stuff.  Like a clear RF-200 face sheild, and a can of Chain Wax...
Bastards.

Dean
-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104813
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <arturo.735339956@infmx> arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega) writes:
>Has anyone else ever caught themselves waving at oncoming motorcycle riders
>while in a car?
>
I've caught myself doing it while on my bicycle.  Does that count?

Dean

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104814
From: wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack)
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies


Various posts about shafties can't do wheelies:

>: > No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
>: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
>: > off the ground
>
>Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my
>BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and
>you know what? He was right!

Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!

Bill    
__
wrs@gozer.mv.com (Bill Slack) DoD #430
But her tears were shed in vain and her every word was lost
In the rumble of his engine and the smoke from his exhaust! Oo..o&o
    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104815
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: dogs

Charles Parr (parr@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
: Oh bull pucky, Ed. They use dogs because a) Many people are
: scared shitless of them and b) because of the nose and the
: vision and hearing. Without their cop partner in attendance,
: the dog is so much meat in the hands of any human with
: a bad attitude and al ittle training in violent force.

One of the things that police dogs are used for is to
"take the bullet" instead of the human police officer.
As Charles said, many people are scared of dogs and will
panic when one goes on attack.  They will then turn their 
weapon on the dog and this allows the police officer to
take control.

: Your advice is correct, but a dog is still no match for a trained
: human in a fight.

A single person vs. a single dog in a face-to-face confrontation should
really be no contest.  The dog is no match for a human willing to fight.
Multiple dogs is a different story . . .
--
*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104816
From: mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: DoD Pins...NOT!

Hi there kids and kidlets...


It your ol' pal the KotPM  (Keeper of the Pin Money!)


I've got good new and bad news...

	Good news - I got laid..er...
	The pins will be coming, to use the computer software phrase,  "real
	soon now"

	Bad news - Right after we placed our order, the company upped its
	minimum order for manufacturing.  We got in under the wire (with
	an order of 115 or so pins), but as a result of the low number of
	pins, we were relegated to the "we'll get to it in-between other
	runs" bin.  As a result, it seems that it may be another 4 or 5 weeks
	until your beloved Geeky is guiding you along the blacktop..  (And
	we thought madonnas on the dashboard were foolish; hmmm, now, if that
	were Madonna sitting on my dashboard, that could be DANGEROUS...hell.
	I'm tough.)

   SO...please continue to be patient.  As soon as they arrive, I'll post
   	the grand announcement, and rush our Messiah on his way directly
	to your abode.  In the meantime, if you need revised versions of the
	holy word of Geeky, please send $15.95 cash or money order (no COD's)
	to:

	Ranch Apocalyp...er......Ashram Geeky, 305 Cyberspace Place...

	I'm off to MSF class...hope it's not too BORING...my wife made me go
	with her!

	Michael Menard

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104817
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: story 

lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:

>>lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>>
>>>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the
>>>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of
>>>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The
>>>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The
>>>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY?
>>
>>
>>And still we wonder why they stereotype us...
>>
>>-Erc.

> Whacha mean 'we'...ifin they (whom ever 'they' are) want to stereotype me
>as one that likes to drink beer and watch lovely ladies display their
>beautiful bodies - I like that stereotype.
>  If you were refering 'stereotype' to infer a negative - you noticed we
>didn't rape, pillage, or burn down the town. We also left mucho bucks as in
>MONEY with the town. Me thinks the town LIKES us. Least they said so.
>                         Lynn Hall - NOS Bros


They bein' themfolk who tend to compose fair piece of the population;
bein the ones that regard bikers as a loud, irresponsible, irreverent,
reprobate rabble.  
Sure you didn't rape and pillage-- It's a relief to know that you were
such gentlemen-- but because you were not completely out-of-hand you 
justify your lesser indescretions?  Some pretty distorted thinking, I
should say.  
Oh-- I'm sorry, I just noticed that you left mucho bucks (as in MONEY)...
Nevermind my criticism, I was out of line.  I forgot that when one leaves
mucho bucks (as in MONEY) their behavior is permissable, perhaps even 
justified.

Keep in mind that "themfolks" are the ones that could give a %$#@! when 
a biker gets killed, when *their* elected officials institute further
draconian legislation (helmet laws, gun controls, etc.), the ones that don't 
respect our rights on the roads because we do not respect theirs all "the
rest of the time..."
Need I continue?

So continue to wear your stigma as a badge, but the next time you are
whining about "them" and the effect of their values on yours, remember
that it was probably the behavior of self-righteous wusses like myself
that kept "them" at bay for this long.

Enjoy,


-Erc.                                                             DoD# 1138

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104818
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: BMW heated grips

Mark Bergman (bergman@panix.com) wrote:

: To those of you who have the BMW heated handgrips:

: 	What are they like during the summer? Yes, you
: 	wiseguy, I mean while they are off!

: 	Are they comfortable? Do they transmit a lot of
: 	vibration? How do they compare to the stock grips?
: 	To foam grips? 

: Do they really make a difference during the winter?

I just got a K75 and had the heated grips installed.  As far as I can
tell the grips look and feel the same as the standard grips. 
They are *not* soft.  Last weekend I did a 500 mile round-trip and
got to a point where it was in the 30s and raining.  Those heated
grips were *great*.  I've only had the bike a month and the heated
grips are already one of my favorite features on the bike.
--
*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104819
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega) wrote:
> 
> maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> 
> ...<   >...
> > 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when 
> >you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. 
> 
> Has anyone else ever caught themselves waving at oncoming motorcycle riders
> while in a car?

Sure. It has caused my wife to conclude that I am totally insane, not just
partially:-}

Usually I just lift the left hand off the wheel and wave thru the
windshield. Damn near the same motion as on the bike:-}

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104820
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?

jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) wrote:
> 
> In article <1qmgg9$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
> >A traffic citation is an accusation of having committed a crime.
> >That's why they have to go through the motions of having a trial if you
> >want one, you are still innocent until proven guilty.  Cops are not the
> >only ones who can accuse people of committing crimes, anyone who
> >witnesses a crime can do so.
> >
> >Go to the Highway Patrol and explain the situation, give them a
> >description of the car and the license number, and tell them the
> >specific violation of the law which you witnessed and wish to prosecute
> >(ie, search the Vehicle Code and have the section number handy).  Fill
> >out the ticket and sign it.  It will go through the same system any
> >ticket a cop writes goes through.  If contested, you will have to
> >appear in court to prosecute.  Your word will not carry the same weight
> >as a cop's.
> 
> And, indeed, the advice I got from a police officer when I had my
> close call was that, without additional impartial witnesses, it
> would be my word vs. the other driver's, and that it was up to me
> to decide whether the time and inconvenience to me was worth the
> time and inconvenience to the other driver, and also whether any
> positive effect would result (beyond making me feel better).

My $0.02 worth: I did this once. BDI LadyCager in a Town Car passed me on
the right on a two lane road!:-{ I memorized her license plate (this in the
days before I carried pen and paper in my tankbag) and went to the local
police station. Cops filled out the ticket. I signed it. She paid it!

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104821
From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted

bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:

>In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mar
 Marten) writes:
>>
>>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow 
>>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has
>>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for 
>>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way!

>With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything
>would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank
>bag.
>-- 

I think the only thing to watch for is the number of attachment
straps.  Most come with 3 and some with 4, I have a Bagman 4 strap
tankbag and because the rear of the tank is so narrow the fit
is not optimal.

Mark, Castle Rock, CO




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104822
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: dogs

howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) writes:

>In article <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>, 
>mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
>|> I'm a biker and a dog-lover.

>No wonder bikers have such a horrid reputation.

"In Dog We Thrust"

:-)



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104823
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) wrote:
> 
> I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
> several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
> And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious
> things like that.  My questions would not be found in those places nor
> answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop.
> If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc.
> don't bother writing in.  Thanks.

Um. Would you mind telling us what state/municipality you live in? There
are different laws in different places, you know.

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104824
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: Hawk GT new seat review

I, too, put a corbin seat on my Hawk.  I got the solo seat (which
could carry a passenger for a short distance) and it is 100%
better than the stock seat.  No longer does my voice squeak after
the ride to work.

	<================================================> 
       /        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
      /    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
     /  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
    <========================================================>

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104825
From: binger@hsh.com
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist

In article <1993Apr20.150337.2963@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"?            
> 
> It's exactly as dangerous as it looks. You're hard to see and have little
> protection. Keeping out of trouble means knowing your limits, keeping your
> machine in good shape and being able to predict and make up for every stupid
> move that drivers make out there. We deal with it because it's fun, but
> staying alive takes a conscious effort.
> 
> I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
>      got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
>                          ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Thanks, Jody. I can't say I've ever seen it summed up so succinctly before.   
I might only add two things.... stupid road design (or poor, at least) and
we deal with it for the fun and *brotherhood* we share with others who take 
their lives in their hads to feel the wind in their hair....IMHO.

Binger

 //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
       Binger is Binger@HSH.COM       ||  Is there really such a thing as a
   Welcome to The Attitude Express.   ||  "corporate" opinion?  If so, maybe
            Now get out.              ||  my boss will let ME express it. :-)
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104826
From: ellert@v32.uh.cwru.edu ()
Subject: Re: dogs


In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
>Path: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!news.uakron.edu!malgudi.oar.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!acs.ucalgary.ca!parr
>From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
>Subject: Re: dogs
>Message-ID: <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca>
>Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 19:39:58 GMT
>References: <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> <C5pntM.8Co@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
>Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca
>Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
>Lines: 26
>
>In article <C5pntM.8Co@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>
>What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?
>
>You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
>off!
>
>Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
>we have *all* the advantages.
>

This was a recent discussion on rec.martial-arts.  Humans definitely don't
have all the advantages. Dogs are deceptively strong and often bred for
fighting of one sort or another.

Ed
DoD #1110

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104827
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: Newbie

Yes, Matt, dear Newbie, best advice is read here foe a few days.
This is your best source of info.

(Kinda makes me glad that I discovered r.m well after I got into riding--
 could I have possibly sounded like *that* otherwise?  --eesh.)

BTW Matt, despite the insults you are destined to face, great move 
on taking the MSF course.  It will save your butt.

Good Luck,

-Erc.               DoD# 1138


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104828
From: Sang.Shin@launchpad.unc.edu (SANG SHIN)
Subject: Re: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks)

Hi.

I'm not sure what the other guy (can't track down his post for his name)
was talking about when he made the claim that cobralinks are not adjustable.
They are.  There's a space between each link where the "teeth" of the 
locking head notch in.  Thus, each link is a possible locking point.

Also, (and this is not applicable to hard-core thieves who cart around
liquid nitrogen and oxy-acetylene torches) the cobralinks "LOOK" a lot
more effective than kryptonite cable locks (IMHO) and I think the initial
appearance effect is more relevant to bored-joyriders-nominally-adept-at-
cracking-unsecured-bike deterrence, as long as the lock is nominally 
functional.

Finally, I notice that when I ride with my leathers, harness boots, and
the cobralinks slung across like a bandolier (BTW, I've crashed in the rain
dressed like this and the lock didn't pulverize any vertebrae), cagers give
me a much wider berth, don't hassle me, and tend to avoid any potentially
inflammatory action at stoplights.

I love my cobralinks almost as much as I love my pre-80's Honda dinosaur.
(I think I have a pavlovian drool reflex-I put the lock on (i.e., on my
body) and I can feel the bike already shaking away).

My first post.  What did I do wrong :)?

sang
DoD #0846
'80 CX500

p.s. any other CX500 owners out there?  Please e-mail me. Got 
questions about the weird handling on my bike.

--
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104829
From: shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <1993Apr18.191521.11604@microsoft.com> 
chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih) writes:
>
>Generic bike riders actually seem to raise the hand entirely
>off the handlebar and wave it around, so it's easy to tell
>when they're waving.

And DoDers are easily recognized by their own special wave.
Pay attention and I'll tell you how to do it. Hold your left hand out
in front of you, fingers straight but apart - like a vase. You may also
use your right hand if you have a throttle lock or are stopped. Bring
your fingertips and thumb together, touch, and open back to the starting
position. While you are doing this, move your hand slowly to the left.
Do it gracefully and with a waving motion. You are now imitating a
squid propelling itself about underwater probably in search of food,
drink, squids of the appropriate sexual orientation, or other squids to
go riding with.

-- 
Lissa
shoun@netcom.com     (408) 926-0812

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104830
From: pubs1@plx.com (Temporary Technical Writer)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

Because riding a passenger doesn't really depend on the type of bike.
The things you want a passenger to do/not do is the same.  Ergo, if he's
asking advice, I reasoned he doesn't have much practice, period.  If
you say he does, fine.  I still wouldn't take the uninitiated up a
road that's all switch backs and reverse/center/uncrowned roadway, not
to mention the BDCs and squids who will also be on that particular
road.  He asked for advice, and even though it wasn't what he meant,
I still consider it some of the best I've read. 

Lee   

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104831
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

Ivan D. Reid, on the 23 Apr 1993 06:05 PST wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr23.121316.1564@news.columbia.edu>, Rob Castro writes...
: >When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

: 	When even the seagulls are walking.   :-)

: Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
: GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484

When you can make no headway into the wind?

When you hear a dull booming noise after going down hill with the
wind behind you and you're WFO.  

Be very careful during the above, as all the controls will have the 
opposite effect.
--

Nick (the Mach 0.22 Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
                                   (-

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104832
From: mmaser@engr.UVic.CA (Michael  Maser)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

21 Apr 1993 10:28:02 Gillian E Runcie Writes:

>>being a mere female, I have often found I can't really take the big offensive line >>with asshole car drivers, so I found a more subtle and nastly
>>ooops I mean nasty way to get back at them. If somebody cuts you up, just wait till >>they have pulled out past you, and then gently lean over and
>>bend their aerial, every time I have done that it has eventually snapped
>>off near the base - which tends to go undetected for a while and is a bummer to >>replace.
>>
>>
>>gillian

Dear Gillian

That is such a wickedly cool idea; why didn't I think of it??? However, here
in Canada the aerials (antenna) are usually near the driver or passenger areas
and I would surely be seen......but I'll give it a try anyway.

Thanks for the first truely useable piece of information I have heard in a long
time (and you are by no means a mere female, as this way at getting back takes
real guts to do).

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104833
From: mmaser@engr.UVic.CA (Michael  Maser)
Subject: Re: dogs

-->car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
-->
-->What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?
-->
-->You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
-->off!
-->
-->Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
-->we have *all* the advantages.
-->
--
--This was a recent discussion on rec.martial-arts.  Humans definitely don't
--have all the advantages. Dogs are deceptively strong and often bred for
--fighting of one sort or another.

--Ed
--DoD #1110

Being related to former trainers, I have come to know that humans do have all the
advantages (well, at least one anyway). It is a little known fact that a dog will
involuntarily regurgitate and release an object that is too large to swallow. I
was told that if I were ever attacked by a dog I should ball my hand in a fist and
force it down the dog's throat. The dog would naturally gag and release, and become
momentarily disoriented. This commonly happens to humans when we go to a doctor and
have our throats examined ( Proof Positive ). In the time during the dog's
disorientation, the next move would be to wrap an arm about the dog throat in a 
choke hold manner and constrict with all your might until the dog lapses into
unconsciousness ( from lack of oxygen and halting blood flow ). Finally, run like
the wind to get away from the local area should the dog get up again and be really
pissed.

OOOOOOOpsssss. For a second there I thought I was in rec.beatthelivingcrapoutofadog
and not rec.motorcycles.

Till next time.

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*  9235 Pinetree Rd.         |----------------------------------------------*
*  Sidney, B.C., CAN.        | Hopalonga Twinfart     Yuka-Yuka EXCESS 400  *
*  V8L-1J1                   | wish list: Tridump, Mucho Guzler, Burley     *
*  home (604) 656-6131       |            Thumpison, or Bimotamoeba         *
*  work (604) 721-7297       |***********************************************
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104834
From: ellert@v32.uh.cwru.edu ()
Subject: Re: where to put your helmet


In response to Jerry Lotto's post about not putting your helmet on your
mirror or else risk damaging the padding from the inside.

One of the major causes of mirror breakage is impact with the pavement.
Laws mandating that all mirrors be protected by helmets might be in order.
But seriously...

One place to put a helmet is on a, preferably clean, footpeg, hanging from
the chin-guard, away from any hot pipes.

Ed
DoD #1110

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104835
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Paint jobs in the UK 

In article <mjs.735397301@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk writes:

>lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:
>
>>Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs,
> preferably but not essentially in the London area.
>
>>Thanks
>
>>Lisa Rowlands
>
>Try Dream Machine, 0602 736615. I've seen a few examples of their
>work and it looks pretty good. They're in the midlands though...
>

Can you say "*expensive*" ?


+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
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|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104836
From: bss2p@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Brent S. Stone)
Subject: Re: How to buy a first bike, etc.

In article <C5x6vH.1In@inform.co.nz> dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales) writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.083340.2309@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>> There have been a *lot* of posts lately about "I wanna buy my first bike - is a
>> GSXR/ZX/CBR/FZR a good bike to learn on?" etc.
>
>Sure they are. Here we can buy:
>
>GSXR250
>CBR250
>FZR250

The prob is that you're wrong.
Newbie here.
I just got off the phone with a salesman
that showed by newbieness.

If I remember what he said correctly:
GSXR250 - no such thing
CBR250 - NO.   Its CB250.
FZR250 - no such thing.

Most sport bikes don't have 250 versions.


BS





Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104837
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Volvo Attack!

I was privelged enough to experience my first Volvo attack this weekend.

I was last in a line of traffic that was about 6 vehicles long, riding
down Rt. 40 in Groton Ma.  At the side of the road, sitting off on the
shoulder was the killer Volvo in question.  No brake lights, no turn signal,
nothing.  We were doing about 40 mph and I was following the cage in front
of me about 2.5-3 sec. back.  Well, as said cage passes the Volvo, the
Brain Dead Idiot (tm) behind the wheel decides that she doesn't need to wait
for me to pass also and turns out perpendicular across both lanes of traffic
so that she can turn around...  So I get on the brakes in a effort to not
T-bone it, and the horn in an effort to wake the BDI up.  As she finishes
the turn, she looks up at me with a completely blank, uncomprehending
stare.

Where can I get rocket launchers for the VFR?

Dean
-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104838
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

In article <Clarke.6.735328328@bdrc.bd.com> Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) writes:
>So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in left 
>hand, Camel cigarette in the right, no feet allowed.) If I lean, and the 
>bike turns, am I countersteering? Is countersteering like benchracing only 
>with a taller seat, so your feet aren't on the floor?
>
>-Rick

Now, while I wouldn't recommend doing this while moving,

(Maybe Mike Beaverton can complain to you awhile! :/ )

you might not want to countersteer if you're just sitting
in the driveway...

<sounds of Rick falling off bike, muttering, "Damn, coulda
sworn that's how they told me in the MSF course!!?" >


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104839
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: bike for sale in MA, USA

In article <1993Apr20.173330.3866@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.194630.102@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us> jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo) writes:
>>I've recently become father of twins!  I don't think I can afford
>> to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies.  Both babies are staying, so 1 of
>> the Harleys is going.
>>
>>	1988 883 XLHD
>>	~4000 mi.  (hey, it was my wife's bike :-)
>	            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	Well that was pretty uncalled for. (No smile)
>	Is our Harley manhood feeling challenged?
>
>> Jeff deRienzo
>


So, you'd sell your bike, and let her
ride around while you have to stay home with
the kids?

Geez, that's a tough choice.

-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104840
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Two Beemer Questions (R80GS)

Hello Folks,

I'm very happy with my "new" R80GS.  My range is 238 miles on 4.8 gallons...
that's 50 mpg!!  Surprisingly, the bike is a real cruiser.  I was expecting
something rough.   She's a sweet backroad honey.  And I can go pretty much
anyplace I'd take my mountain bike.  As far as shaft effect, it's more a 
torque effect from the crankshaft in my opinion.  Rev it sitting still
(when the driveshaft is not moving) and the bike twists a bit.  Maybe
I don't ride her fast enough to get a shaft effect, but in my opinion
a little buffeting by wind is of far greater consequence.  Okay, here are 
my questions:

1) Any recommendations for a home-made fairing?  I'd like to keep the
wind off my chest, and perhaps my helmet, for comfort at highway speeds
(70 mph), yet don't want to (a) screw up the stability or (b) block my
vision too much for trail riding.  Anybody have luck with two-piece 
detachible fairings?  I'd like to make it myself out of plexiglas.

2) I run two lights, the standard headlamp plus a sidelamp mounted on the
crash bar.  The illumination's excellent that way, with a full beam coming
out from the level of the motor (left side); the lamp beam is linear so
that you get a bright streak of illumination from left to right, and it 
really picks up the periphery (deer lurking, etc.)  Combined with the 
headlamp on high you can see like day.  But I've heard that BMW alternators
don't crank out too much.  Do I need to shut down the sidelamp when I'm
puttering around in the dirt at low RPM?  

3) This is embarassing: I'm having trouble starting the bike first thing
in the morning.  I invariably flood the carbs, then go in and read a section
of the paper, and then she starts right up.  Is this a Zen thing? 

4) The Hayne's manual says do not under any circumstances use gasoline
with alcohol additives... Yeah, right.  What do you folks due to keep
the engine and carbs from being eaten by ethanol and methanol?  Any 
particular brands of gas that are best?  Additives?

Thanks,

/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\
|                                                                |
|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |
| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |
|  '86 BMW R80GS                                                 |
\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104841
From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In Article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu> "ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)" says:
> 
> In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:
> 
> Mike Terry asks:
> 
> >Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
> >
> No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
> of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
> off the ground.
> -- 
> DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
Well my last two motorcycles have been shaft driven and they will wheelie.
The rear gear does climb the ring gear and lift the rear which gives an
odd feel, but it still wheelies.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104842
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:

>In article <bethdC5sv80.698@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>=================================================================
>>Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
>>1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
>>1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
>>1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
>>"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
>>                                                        -- ZZ Top
>>=================================================================

>Now just wait one cotton picking minute here.... DoD rule 417.1.2 section 6
>paragraph 3 clearly indicates that multiple people can't lay claim to a bike
>in an "obvious" ploy to "artificially" increase the size of their stable...

Silly boy! You read the rest of that jibberish! go back and read rule
#1.

>So the question of the day is... Is Spike owned by a lady of true class and
>breeding (my definition: any woman who rides :-) ) or by Tom the harely head???

OK, for the record, Spike is jointly owned. The registration says -or-
(Uhhh, what _does_ the title say, Beth?) Beth brought the ad to my
attention, I'd been half heartedly lusting after an SR500 for years. I
had successfully avioded buying it by rationalizing that I didn't need
to spend the $$ on it. Then Beth piped up with "I'll pay for half of
it!" I was beaten. 

>I also note that you lay no claim to Connie or Ol Sport. (Like I said, 
>obviously a lady of discriminating taste...)

Watch it buddy! Both of those are fine rides! Beth loves riding
pillion on the Connie, true, the 'Ol Sport isn't her cup of tea (she
can't get it off of the side stand) but she agrees that it's a very
fine ride.

>Bored minds wanta know.

>bj...bradw@Newbridge.com... no .sig no .plan no.clue  >> DoD# 255 <<
                                              ^^^^^^^
I'll buy that. I'll even loan you a quarter to buy a clue.


*********************************************************************
'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady            Tom Dietrich             
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport-For sale      DoD # 055
'79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat             AMA #524245
Queued for an M900!!                           FSSNOC #1843
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!*            1KSPT=17.28%                     
Ma Bell (408) 764-5874               Cool as a rule, but sometimes...
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM                     (H. Lewis)          
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104843
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: johnny@bigh.eng.utsa.edu (Johnny Roberts)

In article <1993Apr19.164842.18206@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>  
xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
> 
> Mike Terry
> '82 Virago

	Yep! I did one yesterday on my shaftie Vision... I should mention  
that I had a pillon that helped rotate the bike over :-) . The wheelie was  
the result of a necessarily agressive acceleration manouver through an  
intersection (damn San Antonio cagers tend to be REALLY bad drivers).  

	However, I have done one by myself, it just takes a lot of  
pre-clutch dump rev action.

	just a passing comment
	johnny@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104844
From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <BONG-230493121730@kfp-slac-mac.slac.stanford.edu> BONG@slac.stanford.edu (Eric Bong) writes:
>In article <C5y8Gp.1An@cbnews.cb.att.com>, nak@cbnews.cb.att.com
>(neil.a.kirby) wrote:
>> 
>> What worked for me on my RD350 was to lean towards the dog as I modulated
>> throttle to keep my ankle just ahead of his teeth.  After a few seconds of
>> warm pipe firmly wedged on his shoulder he turned his face sideways to see
>> what was so warm and got his mouth/nose/muzzle burned on the pipes.
>
> A bicycling technique I've
>employed was to use my frame mounted tire pump to fend off dog
>attacks.

One of my brothers had spent a lot of time practicing bizzare tricks on
his megabuck/micromass bike. He said he once repelled a dog attack by
picking up the rear of the bike and smacking the dog in the side of the
head with the rear wheel. The dog had _no_ idea what hit him, and he
fled quite rapidly. Then again, he could jump garbage cans without a
ramp, so I don't think I'd care to try this one on a motorcycle.

>The telephone worked much better than the tire pump.

That's almost unfair, I've never seen a dog that could use a phone. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104845
From: mmaser@engr.UVic.CA (Michael  Maser)
Subject: Re: dogs

21 Apr 1993 egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Writes:
--In article 21311@adobe.com, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
--writes:
-->}Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
-->}we have *all* the advantages.
-->
-->I agree with this 100%. 
--
--Me, too... for chihuahua's.  The police and the military don't train
--dobermans and shephards and use them as weapons because they are so
--easy for the average Joe to defeat barehanded.  You may have opposing
--thumbs, but the dog has teeth so effective some of yours are named for
--him.  He has IR vision, better hearing and better smell than you do,
--and most likely faster reflexes.
--
--You're on a motorcycle, he's on paws.  Roll on and blow him off.  He
--doesn't even have net access.
--
--
--Ed Green

C'mon Ed.........

a)  All things have their weak areas
b)  What's IR....Idiot Response......Dogs have more Rods or Cones (I'm not sure
    which?) than humans and this allows their eyes to collect more light in lower
    light conditions. Consequently their colour vision is almost non-existant. I
    mean, if dogs had built in infra-red vision, the armed forces would be
    strapping them to missiles instead of paying a quarter million for IR guidance
    capabilities.
c)  My dog has net access ! !
                          \_/

*****************************************************************************
*  Mike Maser                | DoD#= 0536 | SQUID RATING: 5.333333333333333 *
*  9235 Pinetree Rd.         |----------------------------------------------*
*  Sidney, B.C., CAN.        | Hopalonga Twinfart     Yuka-Yuka EXCESS 400  *
*  V8L-1J1                   | wish list: Tridump, Mucho Guzler, Burley     *
*  home (604) 656-6131       |            Thumpison, or Bimotamoeba         *
*  work (604) 721-7297       |***********************************************
*  mmaser@sirius.UVic.CA     |JOKE OF THE MONTH: What did the gay say to the*
*  University of Victoria    |                    Indian Chief ?            *
*  news: rec.motorcycles     |    ANSWER: Can I bum a couple bucks ?        *
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104846
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <mdennie.735508147@beryllium> mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
>In <1993Apr22.125054.17308@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>
>>Ever notice little kid wave more than other bikers?
>             ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>The reactions of little boys seems to be the most enthusiastic to
>a wave (and also good to see).  I always wave when I see a kid that
>has at least noticed my bike.  I figure it helps the future of the
>sport.

Don't forget little girls!  My not-quite-2 year old daughter now
excitedly points and says "motorcycle" every time she sees one go
past.  I've done my work.  (Of course, it helps that one of her
books shows Sir Topham Hatt in a chaffeured side car rig...)

>I have to admit that I usually try to do so without the "parental
>figure" noticing - I`m afraid that the kid will get yelled at for
>associatign with anti-societal types like us.

Can you think of a better way to convince the kid that "someday, I'll
ride one of those things"?

>Is it a genetic thing with little boys or what?  Even three and four
>year old boys seem magnetically attracted to motorcycles of virtaully
>any sort (often to the dismay of thier mothers :-)

No, it's a genetic thing with little humans...

Just don't let them touch hot pipes.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104847
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <ltgnt9INNfpq@earth.cs.utexas.edu>, mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
> In article <1993Apr23.143128.21344@dsd.es.com> bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
> >In article <ltdv8aINN3hb@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
> [...]
> >>"Hey, what the hell do you mean by that?  You suck.  I have a god-given
> >>right to express opinions, carry a gun and to not wear a helmet, goddamn 
> >>it. Everything you stand for is STUPID."
> >
> >I'd give it an 0.5 on a scale of 10. [analysis and hints deleted]
> 
> Aw, c'mon.  The serious overreaction ought to be worth a couple of points,
> not to mention the bit condemning everthing the flamee might ever say.
> The non sequitur about guns and helmets is just the proper flourish.

Nope.  Flames should be *interesting*.  Around here, guns & helmets
are the wallpaper.

> I personally am of the opinion that there are two types of good flames.
> The first does trade ``quality,'' in the sense you mention, for heat.
> This has a certain surprise value and if done correctly, which I
> contend was done above, is reasonably entertaining.  

Not everyone in rec.motoland is so easily amused.  Blaine, as an Elder,
has seen the Superflamers at their peaks (or depths, if you prefer).  
With that sort of incendiary backdrop, awarding your faltering Bic a
0.5 was the purest act of charity.

> While 
> it is true that
> the flame I posted does not mention anyone's habitual velocity, friends,
> dinner, or entertainment, it says what it needs to with the appropriate
> flair and it is short.  The weakness of this type of flame is actually
> that it can easily be taken too far, at which point it becomes trite and
> boring.

Unless, of course, your audience has only seen several thousand similarly
uninspiring attempts in this arena.  In that case, the trite & boring
threshold tends to drift away from where you first set it, as yours will,
eventually (or not).

> The other type of flame, which you seem to be glorifying above, 
> ... [blah, blah, blah] ...
> In summary, Blaine, your score for that flame is incorrect.  While it may
> be the wunder-flame, the weaknesses you point out are not necessarily
> weaknesses, and your suggested corrections are not always useful nor
> applicable.  

Until you can yank the flame out of Blaine's Internet Port before he
can io_close() it, you are in no position to lecture him, grasshopper.

> You also probably couldn't outrun a tennis ball with a
> flatulent dog stapled to your posterior, and I'll bet you and your 
> motorcycle lean to the outside while turning.  The same goes for anyone
> who looks like you, too.

Oh please (yawn), you're slipping further down the scale with each
successive attempt.  It's so embarrassing to watch.   Say, you're not
from Waco, are you?

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104848
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) writes:
>I know there's already a bmw mailing list, but since it's an R bike 
>only list (and limited to the R80* R100* bikes as well I believe)

the list as chartered is geared toward R100/R80 GS/PD/ST riders,
emphasizing the off road bikes, but there are numerous people on the
list with other BMW twins as well, as well as the usual contingent of
aspirants.  most all boxer talk is welcome.  the main list has about
50 subscribers; there is also a digest version which has about 10.  we
run about 10 to 12 messges to day, mostly technical with little
chatter and no flames.

subscriptions can be had via e-mail. in the text of a message, send
the command:

SUBSCRIBE 

to bmw-gs-request@halfdome.sf.ca.us for the main list and
bmw-gs-digest-request@haldfome.sf.ca.us for the digest version.  your
"from" address will be used to determine where you will receive the
mail.  

it would be a shame to split boxer riders between different lists
unless, of course, the existing list failed to meet the readers'
needs.
-- 
-- bob pasker
-- rbp@netcom.com
--

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104849
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?

In <C5t6DA.7L8@news.dtc.hp.com> jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:

>In article <C5KxAL.IzC@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>>  I beleive it's called the "Dentabox" frame. 
>>
>>Nothing some putty and paint won't fix.

>  This from someone riding a GSXR?  Gutsy.

  I was referring to their propensity to dent during a spill. Prespill
they are of course a work of art.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       







Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104850
From: daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman)
Subject: Re: ST1100 ride

frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro) writes:


>Well I was wrong.  As I sat on the ST, both feet down, all I could 
>think was "big".  Then I put one foot up.  "Heavy" came to mind very
>quickly.  With Cindy on the back -- was she on the back?  Hard to 
>tell with seat three times as large as a Hawk seat -- the bike seemed
>nearly out of control just idling on the side of the road.

It is heavy, the 91 is mid 600's dry, that is the one major drawback
of the ST.

>By 3000 rpm in second gear, all the weight seemed to dissappear.  Even

Can you say " tourque monster" The test drive sold me on the bike, 
lot's of bite anywhere above 2500 in any gear.

>on bike with 4.1 miles on the odometer, slippery new tires, and pads that 

Did you trythe ABS/TCS version? 

>Cindy has no difficulty with speed.  3rd gear, 4th gear, purring along
>in top gear.  This thing has less low rpm grunt that my Hawk.  Lane 
>changes were a new experience.  A big heft is required to move this 
>thing.  Responds well though.   No wallowing or complaint.  Behind the
>fairing it was fairly quiet, but the helmet buffeting was

After market fairing windshield for 100.00 raises the bubble 6 inches
above most heads, but hurts the looks of the bike.

>non-trivial.  Top gear car passing at 85mph was nearly effortless.
>Smooth, smooth, smooth.   Not sure what the v4 sound reminds me of,
>but it is pleasant.  

This is the essence of the bike, move the throttle and itr accelerates 
any gear anywhere anytime, I frequently find myself at the DOD min 
during a casual passing maneuver.

>The jump on to 133 caused me to be less than impressed with the
>brakes.  Its a down hill, reversing camber, twice-reversing radius,
>decreasing radius turn.  A real squeeze is needed on the front binder.  
This is a function of the weight, you have to be aggresive with the brake
squeze, actually as tested by Cycle world and an expert rider the ST
stopped faster then the comparable models from BMW, and YAMAHA even with 
the extra weight and Gas .
>The section of 133 we were on was tight, but too urban.  The ST works ok
>in this section, but it shows its weight.  We went by the clam shack

You must countersteer the ST for every turn and movement short
of the classic pothole wiggle. Just forget ever leaning into a 
turn again. It must be countersteered into every turn and then 
responds nicely.

>About half way through the onramp, I yanked Cindy's wrist, our singal
>for "hold on tight".  Head check left,  time to find redline.  Second
>gear gives a good shove.  Third too.  Fourth sees DoD speed with a 
>short shift into top.  On the way to 133 we saw no cops and very light
>traffic.  Did not cross into DoD zone because the bike was too new.
>Well, now it had 25 miles on it, so it was ok.  Tried some high effort
>lane changes, some wide sweeping turns.  Time to wick it up?  I went 
>until the buffeting was threating to pull us off the seat.  And stayed
>there.  When I was comfortable with the wind and the steering, 
>I looked down to find an indicated 135mph.  Not bad for 2-up touring.

Faster then I've ever gone, I 'd hate to buy this bike after your 
short "break in period"


>to thread the ST through the cars to the edge of the concrete pad
>out front.  Heavy.  It took way too much effort for Cindy and I to put
>the thing on the center stand.  I am sure that if I used the side
>stand the ST would have been on its side within a minute.

Not true, the side stand is well designed for the weight and will hold 
the bike nicely on dirt. I am able to easily get the bike up on
the center stand, just step down on the stand instead of pulling
up on the bike.

>My demo opinion?  Heavy.  Put it on a diet.  Smooth, comfortable,
>hardly notices the DoD speed.   I'd buy on for about $3000 less than 
>list, just like it is.  Too much $ for the bike as it is.

Keep looking the 91 left overs if available are going for 72-7700.
I love mine and I haven't found a better value then the ST for 7500.
remember you get 3 years unlimited mileage warranty.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104851
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: FOR SALE: 550 ZEPHYR

Hi boys and girls.  I just bought a Beemer R80GS and realized abruptly that 
I am a grad student.  I first sold my truck yesterday but I need to sell my 
Zephyr too.

If I can sell it this month, great ... insurance and tags both run out in
a couple of weeks.  Otherwise I'll tag and insure it and see what happens.

It's a very sweet bike.  6100 miles, almost all highway (AZ-WY-CO last summer,
plus some great rides between here and the Border.  Purchased new exactly
one year ago (Apr '92), it's a '90 model.  It has a good fairing and a
luggage rack.  Red; very clean.  Perfect maintenance, no bullshit.   I'll spare
any further details other than to say (1) I want to keep it, and (2) somebody
5'7" +/- 5" will fit it like a charm.  Not a bike for big people, but not a
small bike.  Standard, upright positioning and good-looking.  Smooth power,
great brakes, good Karma.

				- Erik

/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\
|                                                                |
|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |
| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |
| '86 BMW R80GS                                                  |
\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104852
From: Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

>I eagerly await comment.

The ice princess next door makes a habit of flooring her cage out of the 
driveway when she sees me coming. Probably only hits 25mph, or so. (I made 
the mistake of waving to a neighbor. She has some sort of grudge, now.)

I was riding downhill at ~60mph on a local backroad when a brown dobie came 
flashing through the brush at well over 30mph, on an intercept course with 
my front wheel. The dog had started out at the top of the hill when it heard 
me and still had a lead when it hit the road. The dog was approaching from 
my left, and was running full tilt to get to my bike on the other side of 
the road before I went by. Rover was looking back at me to calculate the 
final trajectory. Too bad it didn't notice the car approaching at 50+mph 
from the other direction.

I got a closeup view of the our poor canine friend's noggin careening off 
the front bumper, smacking the asphalt, and getting runover by the front 
tire. It managed a pretty good yelp, just before impact. (peripheral 
imminent doom?) I guess the driver didn't see me or they probably would have 
swerved into my lane. The squeegeed pup actually got up and headed back 
home, but I haven't seen it since. 

Sniff. 

Sometimes Fate sees you and smiles.

-Rick

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104853
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <C5u4DL.A6v@athena.cs.uga.edu> ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu (Allan Hatcher) writes:
|>
|Well, here goes.  After lurking for a LONG time, I'll announce myself. Yes, I'm
|the enemy. The enemy that also happens to ride an "arrest me red" 90 VFR. 

I have a feeling that you are not "the enemy".  There are without a doubt 
dickhead cops.  But there are at least as many dickhead bikers, even here 
(you know who you are :-).  I will certainly give you the same benefit of 
the doubt as any other biker here.  Welcome.

I think I can speak for the entire DoD in this.


(Hey guys, free ride in Georgia!!!)

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104854
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

In article <1993Apr22.005308.11779@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
|In article <gbnvgw@quantum.qnx.com> dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs) writes:
|>
|>Yes, even when steering no hands you do something quite similar
|>to countersteering.  Basically to turn left, you to a quick wiggle
|>of the bike to the right first, causing a counteracting lean to
|>occur to the left.
|
|This sounds suspiciously like black magic to me.  If by "quick wiggle
|to the right" you mean that the handlebars turn toward the right
|before turning to the left, what is the input to the steering
|mechanism that makes this happen in the absence of the old
|"shove-shove"?

Well, as many a bored bike tourer can tell you, the way to steer
sans hans is to push your body off to the side you want to lean.
Say you want to turn left.  You push your body off to the left.
To do this, you have to push against something, and the only
thing to push against is the ground (through the bike).  Well,
the apple guy (Wozniak? or was that Churchill?) says that the 
ground will push you right back.  So, you pushed yourself off to 
the left by pushing on the ground to the right, and the ground 
pushed back toward the left.  Well, that push is on both wheels.  
The rear wheel doesn't care (unless you have serious bearing 
problems) (except of course on the Spagthorpe Dragonfly, which
had the revolutionary countersteering-contra-shaft-drive rear end), 
but the front wheel has trail.  If the ground pushes the front wheel 
toward the left at the contact patch, the trail will cause the 
wheel to turn to the right.  Hey, there we are.  No-hands counter-
steering.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104855
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

[sorry, had to take out tx.motorcycles because
my news server rejected it. -- hesh]

Bob Pasker (rbp@netcom.com) wrote:
: it would be a shame to split boxer riders between different lists
: unless, of course, the existing list failed to meet the readers'
: needs.

you presumed you needed to "split" out a GS list.
by implication of your "split", a plain ol' bmw
list wouldn't meet the GS riders' needs.

for the sake of not forcing the split issue,
how about changing the charter and renaming
your list from bmw-gs to just bmw?  would that
make everybody happy?

i think you'd get better participation this way.
and joe wouldn't have to burden his 286.  :-)

-- hesh

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104856
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Subject: Re: SQUIDS and Dealers

kevin.l.stell (kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com) wrote:

: [... SQUIDS ...]

: I felt embarassed at this point to be a motorcyclist. I felt the eyes of those
: in cages, witnessing this display, then glancing over to the dealers lot and
: damning all those on two wheels. Needless to say, my friend felt a little
: uncomfortable and we left. 

Did you express your embarrassment to the owner?  I don't blame you for being
embarrassed, but I would have let my feeling be known that the behaviour of 
their sales staff and apparent enjoyment of such behaviour just cost them 
a sale and all further sales.

: I will now turn off my frustration and go ride... peacefully, to clear my
: anger. I only hope that the cop who is following me home, has an open
: mind and doesn't associate me with them. 

Sound good.  Enjoy.

: BTW, I can't afford a new bike.....

Who can?

Merf

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104857
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Subject: Re: Death of a 2 stroke - why did it die?

Zebee Johnstone (zebee@wattle.itd.adelaide.edu.au) wrote:

: Now for those who have read this far - 

: 	Why did it rev at idle like that?  Is water in the fuel an
: acceptable reaason or were they having me on?

Sound like the pilot circuit was say lean/clogged.  I don't think
water would cause a problem like this, but?

: 	Apparently the oil pump is doing its job, and there was plenty
: of oil.  Why did it seize?

See above.  Were you by chance coasting when it stuck?  On a two stroke
you only have (substantial) lubrication when you are giving the bike gas.
If it was lean on the pilot, that's why it stuck.

: Oh, BTW - THe motor had been rebuilt just before I left Adelaide, so had
: done about 1600 miles when it blew.  It was rebuilt because it had been
: seized at some time before we got it, and it looked like that seizure
: had happened at low mileage, because there were still hone marks in the
: bore.

: The rebuild we did consisted of a total tear down, new piston, rings,
: small end bearing, and new gearbox bearings.  Big end and rod judged
: OK.


: Any ideas folks?

You mentioned an aftermarket carb?  (I deleted the text)  Looks like 
(to me) that's where your problem is.

:      Zebee Johnstone  DoD #605   | You don't own an Italian motorcycle 


  O                
 <M> MerfMan 
_/ \_       

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104858
From:         Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD>
Subject:      Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

>I have never experienced wind so severe it physically precluded operation
>of a motorcycle.  It's more a matter of deciding whether the aggravation
>is more trouble than it's worth.  This of course, depends entirely on your
>own particular circumstances and personal disposition.


and skill.  If you haven't done it before, it can be dangerous.  It takes
some getting used to.  Read Ed's list.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brad Thone
Systems Consultant
Systems Service Enterprises
St. Louis, MO
c09615bt @ wuvmd.wustl.edu
c09615bt @ wuvmd.bitnet

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104859
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) wrote:
> 
> randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
> 
> > speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
> >| jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
> >|>       What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
> >|>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?
> >|
> >|Driving While Intoxicated.
> 
> >  Actually, I beleive "DWI" normally means "Driving While Impaired" rather
> >than "Intoxicated", at least it does in the states I've lived in...
> 
> >|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her 
> >|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!
> 
> >  One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs,
> >not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc...  I'm
> >surprised this got her off the hook...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
> >to liquor?
> 
> Lets just say it is DUI here now!

OK. It varies from state to state. It has to do with operating a vehicle
while there is greater than a given percentage of alcohol in your
bloodstream. Can we drop this now, and get back to asking Ed Green to
getabike?

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104860
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Traffic morons

ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote:
> 
> NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
> NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
> 
> NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
> NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
> NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
> NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
> NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
> 
> NMM>Did I do the right thing?
> 
> NMM>Yours Truly :
> 
> NMM>                                  Niels Mikkel
> 
> Well, sounds great to me! When I have a real BDI cager tailgating me,
> I've found that an effective strategy is to flash my brake light by
> pumping the pedal. You will, obviously need a bit of free play in your
> brake pedal to do this. It seems that even the most brain dead idiot can
> usually discern that a flashing red light directly in front of
> him/her/it may mean that something is wrong.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. BDI cagers usually move back then.
Hyperagressive assholes just move closer. (Something about
testosterone-stimulated behavior, I think.) It's kinda like waving a red
flag at a bull. All in all, if you can't move over and let the jerk by,
it's better than nothing...

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104861
From: daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

Lets not forget 

ST == sports touring honda


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104862
From: amd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Alan Duncan)
Subject: RE:windy days



>(Robert D Castro) rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu writes:-
>
>When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

	If you get blown over riding your bike down your drive at home then
it's too windy to ride...=8^D.

P.S. Check nearby trees for wind strength and see how badly they are being 
affected by the wind.
							Alan.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104863
From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)
Subject: MOA members, another letter to read!


In light of the last letter I posted from Jeff Brody concering the crap
that is going on in the MOA, (which some folks took not as dissemination 
of information that I received, but as my own bad mouthing) I thought that
I would post this one, which came to me yesterday.  This is from board member
Robert Higdon to MOA Pres Chich Morse.  This is NOT my words, O.K. guys?

                                   April 4, 1993

re:  Cecil King's Nominating Statement 

Dear Chick:
      We have a very serious problem with the election for president of the 
MOA this year.  Cecil King's nominating statement (as it appeared in the
Owners News) is 968 words, nearly twice as many as that is permitted by
the by-laws.  In pertinent part, the rules state:

"Each candidate's biography and position statement shall be limited to
a combined total of no more than 500 words. The nominating committe shall cut afafter the 500th word any biography and position statement exceeding this length.

    Obviously the nominationg committe was not up to the task.  Had Cecil's
statement been cut as required, it would have concluded approximately with
the word "undertiding" [sic] in the second paragraph after the commencement
of his Position Statement.  As a result, Cecil has obtained what I view as a
grossly unfair advantage over the other candidates for president.  This does
not just taint the election for that office; it makes a mockery of the 
process.  I would appreciate your advising the board immediately what steps
you intend to take to rectify this caricature of a fair election.
     Parenthetically, in your private correspondence with others, I would
be most appreciative that when tou call me an "asshole" you remind the
letter's recipient that the re-publication of such a comment is almost
guaranteed to have woeful consequences.
   With kind regards, I remain,
                                 Robert Higdon

O.K. MOA'ers, You read it, think for yourself, I trust you do know who
Cecil King is, and that he was Editor befor Don Douglass, and he is
a pres. candidate.  I let you draw your own conclusions.
Regards,
Craig Vechorik
BMW MOA Ambassador #9462
BMW Vintage Bulletin Tech Editor
DOD #843
"REAL BMW's have TWO Wheels" <-- politically correct statement


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104864
From: mrr3@po.CWRU.Edu (Mark R. Rabne)
Subject: Insuring a 1992 CBR600F2



Hey now,

   I'm having the roughest time getting a company to cover
my new bike.  Here are some details about her and me:

I'm:

  single
  23
  riding with a clean record
  a homeowner
  a 'new' rider accoring to most companies
  not a member of MSF or AMA yet  



   She's:
 
   a '92 CBR600F2
   got 150 miles
   got temp plates still
   one screamin' bitch of a ride...


   Can you get me some ideas?  We can take them to private
email to lower the noise on the net.

   mrr3@po.cwru.edu is a good mail address.  I need to
hear something soon so I can keep her on the road...

   Thanks in advance,
   Mark
-- 
Well-weathered leather, Hot metal and oil, The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome, The blur of the landscape, Every nerve aware
                                                     Red Barchetta
          Straining the limits of machine and man...  

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104865
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax (and mail-order)

In article <1993Apr21.130512.147@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:

>>I bought it, I tried it:
>>It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.

>I'd try it on the VFR, but goddamn Competition Accessories hasn't mailed my
>order yet.  Hell, it's only been two weeks and I was ordering some pretty
>bizzare stuff.  Like a clear RF-200 face sheild, and a can of Chain Wax...
>Bastards.

For what it's worth, I got my can in three days from Chaparral. That's
UPS ground from CA to UT, YMMV. The stuff seems to work, and it doesn't
attract grundge like PJ-1 Blue does. I gave it the acid test, a full
day's worth of breaking in the Quadracer's new paddle tires down at the
sand dunes. If there's anything wet & stickey it will be coated with
sand at the end of the day, but the chain looked pretty clean.

As far as mail-order goes, if Chaparral has it in stock (and they can
tell you if it's in stock, or about how long it will take to back-order
it if it's not), I usually get it in three days. Competition Accessories
always seems to take a week or two to deliver. Motorcycle Accessory
Warehouse also takes a week or two, and after trying to buy some boots
from them last week, I don't think they actually stock anything. MAW was
about $30 cheaper than Chaparral on Alpinestars Tech 7 boots, but on
Monday I was hoping to get them by the end of the week, so I asked MAW a
completely unreasonable question: "Do you have them in stock?" The
conversation went something like this:

I need to know if you have some boots in stock.

	Do you want to pay with Visa or Mastercard?

I want to know if you have them in stock.

	Well, the computer doesn't show anything, I'd have to call the
	distributer to find out if we have them.

So do you have them or not?

	Don't you understand what I'm saying? I have to call our
	distributer to find out if we have them in stock or not.

Uh, right. So can you do it?

	Yea, call me back in an hour, and ask for Phil.

So an hour later Phil isn't there, but Mike says he'll check, and call
him back in half an hour. Half an hour later Mike isn't there either,
but he left a note that says they'll have them by the end of the month
(3 weeks away). Screw it, the 30 bucks isn't worth the hassle. I called
Chaparral and asked if they had them in stock:

	Ooh, Alpinestars? Probably not, they are hard to keep in stock,
	but I'll check. What size?

Size 10.

	Let's see, yes! Size 10, in blue & white, gray & white, black...

I'll take the blacks!

This was about noon on Monday, they arrived Thursday morning. Once
again, three days via UPS ground. I _like_ Chaparral.

I'm not completely down on MAW, they often have lower prices, but be
prepared to wait.

Oh, and if anyone's in the market for sand tires and other ATV stuff,
Scorcher seems like a good outfit, friendly, fast, had the tires I
wanted in stock, and were cheaper than Chaparral too.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104866
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <1993Apr20.235735.23007@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>|> 
>|> So, Take you own advice and wuit you whining about
>|> flames.
>|> 
>
>No brains and he can't spell either.
>
>.edu?? I hope you're not a student at Duke...
>you would be wasting your tuition.
>
>
>===================================================
>= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
>= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
>= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
>===================================================

OOOoooh, complaining about my spelling.

I'm _so_ hurt.

No I'm not a student.  I'm an alumnus.  And an employee.

So I can get my money _back_ from these grubs.

BNR, huh?  I hope you're not a permanent,
they'd be wasting benefits on you.

pthptptphhph!


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104867
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: Daytona

In article <RTARAZ.93Apr22104337@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
>Well, I watched the Daytona race on TNN.  Boy for the people who saw
>it:
>Was the Yamaha a lot faster than the Kawi or what?  on the last
>stretch the Yami took of and left the Kawi in the dust.  I am a Kawi
>rider and am totaly disappointed in the Kawi!

  It wasn't that the Lawson's V&H OWO1 was faster.  If you watch the tape
again, Russell had major backmarker problems before getting onto the banking.
It doesn't matter what bike you have, if you lose your drive, your hosed.

  The two bikes are almost identically fast.  Check out the qualifying times.

  

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104868
From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <mjs.735489679@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>if I'm riding I would far sooner have the pillion hanging on to the bike,
>rather than me, because I find that their weight can cause *me* to move,
>and that can upset the balance of the bike. Most of the pillions I see 
>over here hold the grabrail. The really good ones don't hang on to anything
>unless violent acceleration is taking place.

Hmmmmn...don't you ride with your sweetheart?
 
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"     CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75/6)
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104869
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: Two Beemer Questions (R80GS)

In article <1993Apr23.224045.22287@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
>Hello Folks,
>I'm very happy with my "new" R80GS.  My range is 238 miles on 4.8 gallons...
>that's 50 mpg!!  Surprisingly, the bike is a real cruiser.  I was expecting
>something rough.   She's a sweet backroad honey.  And I can go pretty much
>anyplace I'd take my mountain bike.  As far as shaft effect, it's more a 
>torque effect from the crankshaft in my opinion.  Rev it sitting still
>(when the driveshaft is not moving) and the bike twists a bit.  Maybe
>I don't ride her fast enough to get a shaft effect, but in my opinion

	Not to start *another* shaft effect discussion, but the twist you
	feel when revving sitting still is due to the larger fly-wheels that
	the BMW R-bikes (maybe K's too, dunno) use. If you whack the throttle
	at stop lights, it'll really rock the bike over (to the right).

	<snip> 	<snip>
>2) I run two lights, the standard headlamp plus a sidelamp mounted on the
>crash bar.  The illumination's excellent that way, with a full beam coming
>out from the level of the motor (left side); the lamp beam is linear so
>that you get a bright streak of illumination from left to right, and it 
>really picks up the periphery (deer lurking, etc.)  Combined with the 
>headlamp on high you can see like day.  But I've heard that BMW alternators
>don't crank out too much.  Do I need to shut down the sidelamp when I'm
>puttering around in the dirt at low RPM?  

	Please post if you come to any conclusion on this. I am thinking
	of putting a light on each cylinder guard on my R100S, and was
	wondering whether I was going to have to switch lights off every
	time I was under 5,000 RPM :-)

>| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |


-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
 '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104870
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax 

In article <1r3tm4$itu@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu writes:

>
>In a previous article, txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) says:
>
>>parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>
>>>I bought it, I tried it:
>>
>>>It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>>
>>>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>
>I too have seen the miracle of Maxima Chain Wax.  Not only does it lube
>and stay where it's supposed to, but I swear I can ride faster now.  Yes,
>not only does it lube your chain, it makes you a better rider.  And more
>attractive to members of the opposing sex.  And smarter.  And....

Works really well on my 'bike too.


Tony


+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104871
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <1993Apr23.233509.4739@dsd.es.com> bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <BONG-230493121730@kfp-slac-mac.slac.stanford.edu> BONG@slac.
stanford.edu (Eric Bong) writes:>>In article <C5y8Gp.1An@cbnews.cb.att.com>, 
nak@cbnews.cb.att.com>>(neil.a.kirby) wrote:
>> A bicycling technique I've
>>employed was to use my frame mounted tire pump to fend off dog
>>attacks.

I have a bayonet in the factory scabbard from a Swedish Mouser mounted to 
the handlebars of my Zuki'.  That 10" blade and my long arms do quite well 
thank you.

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                          Stolen Taglines...
                        HEY! Where did they go?
                      You don't think .... naahh.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104872
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

In article <csundh30.735598088@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:

>viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>>and copped <heh> an attitude when he was stopped?  Speaking as a guy
>>who recieved a *verbal warning* for 146mph in a 55, I just have to laugh.
> 

In Shreveport, back when I was riding the Purple Water Buffalo, I jumped an 
intersection IN FRONT OF A COP who was waiting for the light!  The side of 
the street he was on was hidden buy a building on the corner and I didn't 
see him till I was airborne in the middle of the intersection.  I was 
parked, had my helment off and my liscence out before he turned the corner.  
He chewed my ass out and let me go!  I will be the first to admit it was a 
very squidly thing to do, jumping the intersection like that.  The cop 
should have nailed me.  I find that if you are polite, respectfull and 
honest, they will normaly let you get away with a LOT of stuff.

P.S. The shock mounts folded up the next day.  I guess I deserved that!

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                          Stolen Taglines...
                        HEY! Where did they go?
                      You don't think .... naahh.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104873
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Are other riders welcome to join group

In article <1993Apr23.212827.19642@PacBell.COM> jscosta@srv.PacBell.COM (Jon Costa) writes:


>When riding in a group, generally speaking, do most people mind when
>another rider tags along?

>I had the distinct feeling I may not have been welcome when I tagged 
>along with a group last weekend.

Yer welcome to ride with me and my friends any time.  Just introduce your 
self at the earliest opportunity and say "Mind if I rid with you guys?"

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                          Stolen Taglines...
                        HEY! Where did they go?
                      You don't think .... naahh.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104874
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: BMW heated grips

bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:
]To those of you who have the BMW heated handgrips:
]	Are they comfortable? Do they transmit a lot of
]	vibration? How do they compare to the stock grips?
]	To foam grips? 

I don't have the grips, but have looked into getting them. it's my 
understanding that the grips themselves are the standard european 
style grips now coming standard on the 93 bikes (K1100RS, K1100LT, etc).
it's also my understanding that the heater resides _inside_ the bar 
itself so if anything I would suspect it would reduce vibration by 
providing more bar end mass.

I don't see why they wouldn't work with the old style foam grips aside
from the fact that it might cause the foam to deteriorate or something.
hard to belive considering they do fine in the 100+ degree texas summers.

'course, I don't actually have them so you can save your flames.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
BMW Mailing List                                          bmw@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104875
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: RE:windy days

In article <C5xuqM.Dxu@dcs.ed.ac.uk> amd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Alan Duncan) writes:

>>(Robert D Castro) rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu writes:-
>>When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

Handlebar mounted windshields on windy days are no fun at all.  It has been 
windy as hell down here for a week or so and it plays hell with the steering.
Oh, I still ride.  I just bitch a lot about it!

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                          Stolen Taglines...
                        HEY! Where did they go?
                      You don't think .... naahh.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104876
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers)
Subject: Re: IT AIN'T FOR ME!

In article <speedy.156@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:

>I am confused (like THAT'S a surprise!), someone asked ME for a copy of the 
>FAQ via E-Mail.  As I am not the KotFAQ, I was wondering what the proper 
>responce is?

You should post his/her email request, with proper attributes, of course, to
the newsgroup.  The request then becomes a matter of rec.moto public record
and warrants the ceremonial gang-FAQing.

Glad to help,
Ride safe,
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II (Tem)       |
|                                                                          |
|               This bike is in excellent condition.                       |
|               I've done all the work on it myself.                       |
|                                                                          |
|                     -- Glen "CRASH" Stone                                |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104877
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: Mail order response time

I have ordered many times from Competition accesories and ussually
get 2-3 day delivery.  Once they had to backorder something, but they
sent me a card to say it would be two weeks.  Came in 10 days or so.

Always be satisfied, with CA and in life.

	<================================================> 
       /        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
      /    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
     /  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
    <========================================================>

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104878
From: SHICKLEY@VM.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: For Sale (sigh)


                 FOR SALE (RELUCTANTLY)
                  ---- Classic Bike -----
                 1972 YAMAHA XS-2 650 TWIN
 
<6000 Original miles. Always stored inside. 1979 front end with
aftermarket tapered steering head bearings. Racer's supply rear
bronze swingarm bushings, Tsubaki chain, Pirrhana 1/4 fairing
with headlight cutout, one-up Carrera racing seat, superbike bars,
velo stacks on twin carbs. Also have original seat. Tank is original
cherry/white paint with no scratches, dents or dings. Needs a
new exhaust as original finally rusted through and was discarded.
I was in process of making Kenney Roberts TT replica/ cafe racer
when graduate school, marriage, child precluded further effort.
Wife would love me to unload it. It does need re-assembly, but
I think everything is there. I'll also throw in manuals, receipts,
and a collection of XS650 Society newsletters and relevant mag
articles. Great fun, CLASSIC bike with over 2K invested. Will
consider reasonable offers.
___________________________________________________________________________
 
Timothy J. Shickley, Ph.D.   Director, Neurourology
Departments of Urology and Anatomy/Cell Biology
Temple University School of Medicine
3400 North Broad St.
Philadelphia, PA 19140
(voice/data) 215-221-8966; (voice) 21-221-4567; (fax) 21-221-4565
INTERNET: shickley@vm.temple.edu     BITNET: shickley@templevm.bitnet
ICBM: 39 57 08N
      75 09 51W
_________________________________________________________________________
 
 
w

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104879
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <9426.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>
>Interestingly, the one thing that never happened was that the bike never
>moved off course. 

	Unfortunately, I am one of the "negative-impaired".  The
	above sentence says (I believe), that the bike DID move
	off course.  Of course.

				;-)  Michael
-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104880
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: BMW heated grips

In article <1113@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) writes:

>bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:
>]To those of you who have the BMW heated handgrips:
>]      Are they comfortable? Do they transmit a lot of
>]      vibration? How do they compare to the stock grips?
>]      To foam grips? 

>I don't have the grips, but have looked into getting them. it's my 
>understanding that the grips themselves are the standard european 
>style grips now coming standard on the 93 bikes (K1100RS, K1100LT, etc).
>it's also my understanding that the heater resides _inside_ the bar 
>itself so if anything I would suspect it would reduce vibration by 
>providing more bar end mass.

>I don't see why they wouldn't work with the old style foam grips aside
>from the fact that it might cause the foam to deteriorate or something.
>hard to belive considering they do fine in the 100+ degree texas summers.

Someone once sold heated motorcycle grips via mail order.  The were 
aftermarket replacement grips that had the heating elements mlded into the 
grip itself.  Wires ran outside of the bars, from the grips to a switch and 
finaly the battery.  Cycle Magazine tested them YEARS ago and liked them.  
Dunno if they are still made.  Might check with the snowmobile racers.

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                           umop apisdn


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104881
From:         Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD>
Subject:      Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

A long time back (months), I think a similar question was asked....

A suggestion, in addition to Ed's list, was to put your windward knee out
away from the bike.

I tried it, and it seems to help, actually.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brad Thone
Systems Consultant
Systems Service Enterprises
St. Louis, MO
c09615bt @ wuvmd.wustl.edu
c09615bt @ wuvmd.bitnet

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104882
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: The best of times, the worst of times

In article <1r1nujINNcti@gap.caltech.edu> ridgway@cco.caltech.edu (Alex Ridgway) writes:
+paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
+>[My problem] turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 
+>carb.  I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
+>tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
+>on the screws inside of a carb.  At least it was roadside
+>fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.
+
+Gee, I always figured that it was the loose screws on/in the _rider_
+that were most likely to cause any problems.  Did you check for that
+at the same time?

That is very true.  However, screws have been loose on this rider
for quite some time, so they had been taken into account.
____________________________________________________________________________
		Russian Roulette is fun 5 out of 6 times
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2
  KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905)
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104883
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Help me adjust my tappits 

In article <jcn-210493180052@lactose.rice.edu> jcn@rice.edu writes:

>And speaking of shims, why would the clearance of the valves get smaller,
>i.e.
>need the use of a thinner shim?
>

Valve seat wear?


Tony


+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104884
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted

In article <1993Apr21.142333.6707@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace) writes:
>bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mar
> Marten) writes:
>>>
>>>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow 
>>>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has
>
>>With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything
>>would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank
>>bag.
>
>I think the only thing to watch for is the number of attachment
>straps.  Most come with 3 and some with 4, I have a Bagman 4 strap
>tankbag and because the rear of the tank is so narrow the fit
>is not optimal.

Good point, I'd overlooked that. The Eclipse has a 3 point mount, 1 at
the rear and 2 at the front, and it's very stable on the FJ. I have seen
some with harnesses that mount to the sides of the tank, and that would
be a real problem on the FJ.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104885
From: dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <mjs.735489679@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay) writes:
>
>[lotsa stuff deleted...]
>
>>- Switch your hands to the guardrail to stretch your shoulders, but be 
>>  sure and squeeze your thighs while you're doing it so your rider knows you're
>>  still there. :)  The guard rail isn't as safe as holding onto your rider.
>
>Hmmmm - why does everyone on that side of the Pond seem to want
>pillions to hang on to the rider rather than the grabrail? 

Because I'm a guy and most of my pillions are female. 

Also, the other reasons, like having an idea where you passengers
weight is, it being a more comfortable position for the passenger,
and it being a more stable configuration all come into it as well.

Holding the grab rail is a great idea only for braking, when you
don't want the pillion to slide forward into you, otherwise I don't
find it works well.

-David
(dagibbs@qnx.com)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104886
From: lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall)
Subject: Re: story & respect


>> In article <1993Apr19.223026.10137@Pacesetter.COM> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>>>
>> I just got back from the 11th Annual Southern California Harley Dealers
>>Association Run to the Colorado river city of Lauglin, Nevada.
>
>Why is it that some people can't enjoy themselves without being assholes?
>
>If you want to be treated with respect, you need to treat others, their 
>property, and their towns with respect.
>
>Several years ago, I was at the Annual Fly-in of the Experimental Aircraft
>Association (EAA) near Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Although approximately 100,000
>people were in attendance, there was not a piece of litter anywhere.  Everyone
>was considerate enough to place their trash where it belonged.
>
>There's no problem in having fun, raising hell, etc.  But consideration
>and respect for others is critical; we need to work WITH each other, not
>against.
>
>Nudity, fine...loud noise, fine...party all night, fine... but at the right
>place and time.  Please, let's not trample over other's rights and then bitch
>because they don't treat us like gods.
>
>Michael Menard

 You know, I wasn't EVEN going to respond to this typical anti-party
attitude message. Trash was everywhere - reason? Not enough dipsy
dumpsters for the massive crowd. Oatman wasn't prepared for the vast
number of PEOPLE that showed up.
 BTW Michael, Oatman is the RIGHT PLACE & TIME. It's called a RUN! Maybe
you didn't read my comment that "They loved us" and I'm talking about the
merchants and townspeople. The merchants that didn't want us - their shops
were closed.
  Maybe I should have mentioned that when I left - the trash was being
picked up (aluminum sells) by a crew assigned to the task.
  I think the bottom line here is do they want us back ???!!! They Do!
This 'action' that went on at Oatman is TYPICAL on a predominatly Harley
run. It's innocent fun.
  So since I enjoy TYPICAL Harley fun at Runs - in your eyes that makes me
an asshole. I've already admitted I'm an asshole many times on the net.
All my friends are assholes too (lyrics to a new song?). So, you want a
dime to call someone that cares?
  It appears we have a difference of opinion. Maybe you should look at the
big picture before you pass judgement on others. 11th Annual. That should
tell you something.
                           Lynn Hall - NOS Bros


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104887
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
+In article <C5pntM.8Co@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
+
+>This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
+>a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
+>I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
+>dog or one that's really, *really* stupid.  A large Irish Setter taught me
+>this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day.  I'm sure he was playing 
+>a game with me.  The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before 
+>He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.
+
+What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?
+
+You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
+off!
+
+Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
+we have *all* the advantages.

Look, if you are worried about being attacked by a dog, just carry
some "Spot" remover with you :-).
____________________________________________________________________________
		Russian Roulette is fun 5 out of 6 times
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2
  KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905)
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104888
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <1993Apr20.204831.19788@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>
>In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence.
>It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue,
>but a genuine safety issue.  So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto,
>admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the 
>consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes.
>
>Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
>90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
>84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
>AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

By not being able to drive for a year, it was close enough to jail.

And, BTW, where the hell did I ask for sympathy.

I asked what to do about insurance, not about my _life_.

FWIW, if everyone was _honest_ on this group, I'd
others besides me that read this have had a DWI too.

-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104889
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
]it would be a shame to split boxer riders between different lists
]unless, of course, the existing list failed to meet the readers'
]needs.

nowhere did I see you mention K bikes, which, being made by BMW, are 
welcome on my list. in fact, you go out of your way to say:

           "most all boxer talk is welcome"

your list appears to cater to boxers. that's great. my list caters to
BMW's, *without any restrictions* like you have. considering that the
subscription count went to 29 within 18 hours of my initial post about
the list (which was made around 10:00pm just before I went to bed), I'd 
say that there is a need for a *BMW* list as opposed to just a GS boxer 
list.

my motivation for setting up the BMW list came from an earlier post of 
yours announcing your boxer list. it didn't fit my needs.

ok, we've pissed on each other's list. let's get back to the regular
net.noise and read our respective lists.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
BMW Mailing List                                          bmw@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104890
From: arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega)
Subject: Re: Bonding with a Caged Cop?

akelley@oracle.uucp (Alyn Kelley) writes:

...<waving policeman, happy policeman, nice policeman>...

>	Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon, or am I somehow
>the only one to have been blessed with a cop's good mood?  (insert
>mild sarcasm)

>Alyn
>DoD #875
>'92 Seca II

Well, not me. However, I wouldn't trade all the times I've^H^H^H^H a
close friend has been pulled over, cussed and shouted at, and finally
let off with a verbal warning in exchange for a few waves & smiles!

:-) if you like but I'm serious.

Later,

Art "Yes Sir ... No Sir ... Sorry Sir ... Thank you Sir!"
arturo@informix.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104891
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: MOA members, another letter to read!

Has anyone noticed that all this happened since Chris Perez was gifted
with a membership?

Anyone for rec.motorcycles.beemer.club.whiner? I know this might get
confused with K-whiners, but maybe there's a connection?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104892
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) writes:
>[sorry, had to take out tx.motorcycles because
>my news server rejected it. -- hesh]
>Bob Pasker (rbp@netcom.com) wrote:
>: it would be a shame to split boxer riders between different lists
>: unless, of course, the existing list failed to meet the readers'
>: needs.
>you presumed you needed to "split" out a GS list.
>by implication of your "split", a plain ol' bmw
>list wouldn't meet the GS riders' needs.

good point.  the "list" actually started out as an extension of my GS
v. FJ shootout list, which is why it got that name.  since inception,
however, other boxer-interested folks have joined and the conversation
has not always been "geared" to gs/pd/st-specific topics.

>for the sake of not forcing the split issue,
>how about changing the charter and renaming
>your list from bmw-gs to just bmw?  would that
>make everybody happy?

when i raised the "to expand or not to expand/that is the question"
question on the list itself, there were mixed feelings.  the list has
always been open to anyone with a non-bouncing "from:" line and there
has been general agreement that only boxer-related stuff is
appropriate.  almost all of the subscribers own R80/R100 GS/ST/PD
bikes, although some R, RT and RS owners are also on it.

at this point, my main interest for the list is to preserve the peace
and comraderie while at the same time providing as wide access as
possible.  the list is fairly technical, with "how do i do this?",
"what kind of that should i get?" kinds of questions.  there has yet
to be any non-BMW bashing, K bike bashing, or "any bmw mfg'd after
1962 is a piece of shit" bashing.  such posts are, by consent of the
governed, proscribed.

if the simple name change would make a significant difference to the
net.boxer.owners, then i am not going to stand in the way of progress.

so, hesh, let me turn the question around: have you (or has anyone
else) not joined the list because you felt your boxer was excluded?
-- 
-- bob pasker
-- rbp@netcom.com
--

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104893
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Dogs vs. Bikes

In article <13605@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>In article <C5r12x.K8M@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>>  I have a large ol' farting dog and have made a real effort at trying
>>to train him but he still just flatulates at will.

Don't feed it so much.
Seriously.

>>  First I would like to break him of this and then I'll worry
>>about his chasing things.
>>
>
>If you can't you've obviously waited too long, or are not putting
>much effort into it.
>
>MY 80 lb dog (not always) used to fart all the time.
>
>By making her notice it (of course the smell doesn't
>bother HER! :), and thence kicking her outside (somewhat
>literally), she came to realize that she shoudln't do it
>(at least not around me)

Sort of like that scene in "10", in the minister's study, when the
secretary lets one fly, and the startled dog runs from the room.
The minister explains, "Every time Mrs. Soandso breaks wind, we beat the dog."


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104894
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <1993Apr21.115453.17928@Virginia.EDU> cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady) writes:
>There's also Billy Jack, The Wild One, Smokey and the Bandit
>(Where Jerry Reed runs his truck over Motorcycle Gangs Bikes),
>and a video tape documentary on the Hell's Angels I
>found in a rental store once


Don't forget Robert Blake in "Electra Glide in Blue" (where else do
you get to see a full-dress Harley playing with dirt bikes?).
And if you're going to count Smokey and the Bandit, then you darn
well better include "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure".



-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104895
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax


In a previous article, txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) says:

>parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>>I bought it, I tried it:
>
>>It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>
>>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.

I too have seen the miracle of Maxima Chain Wax.  Not only does it lube
and stay where it's supposed to, but I swear I can ride faster now.  Yes,
not only does it lube your chain, it makes you a better rider.  And more
attractive to members of the opposing sex.  And smarter.  And....
-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104896
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)


In a previous article, serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) says:

>
>A POSER squid was the guy I saw yesterday on my way home.  Similar attire as
>above sans jacket (it is April in Texas ya know), but he is riding down the
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Amazing.  And I thought only California got April.
-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104897
From: chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

 >Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
  
As the owner of a V65 Sabre (shaftie), I can answer from personal experience:

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Chuck Smythe (DoD #50)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104898
From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks

Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago (doc@webrider.central.sun.com) wrote:
: I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing 
: a motorcycle.  I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
: (described below).  Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
: in the Chicago area?
: 
: Any other feedback from someone who has used this?

What about the new Yamaha "Cyclelok" ?
From the photo in Motorcyclist, it looks the same hardened steel as a 
Kryptonite U lock, except it folds in five places.
It seems to extend out far enough to lock the rear tire to the tube of
a parking sign or similar.

Anyone had any experience with them, how easy is it to attack the lock
at the jointed sections ?

tony

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104899
From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <1993Apr21.143405.22536@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:
>In article <bethdC5sv80.698@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>=================================================================
>>Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
>>1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>=================================================================
>
>Now just wait one cotton picking minute here.... DoD rule 417.1.2 section 6
>paragraph 3 clearly indicates that multiple people can't lay claim to a bike
>in an "obvious" ploy to "artificially" increase the size of their stable...
>
>So the question of the day is... Is Spike owned by a lady of true class and
>breeding (my definition: any woman who rides :-) ) or by Tom the harely head???
Spike is owned by both Tom and I.  We went 1/2's on the purchase price
and have split costs of needed parts, registration, etc.  Both names are
on the pink slip.

>I also note that you lay no claim to Connie or Ol Sport. (Like I said, 
>obviously a lady of discriminating taste...)
I am covered by insurance to ride the Harley.   I'd give it a go if
I could work the clutch.  I can barely get the clutch lever to move
using both hands while standing next to the bike.  Ol' Sport is a
very distinctive bike.
The Concours is favorite of mine.  I've pillioned an easy 4000 miles
on that bike in the last year.  Unfortunately, my feet are a good
10" off the ground once I'm on her.  No way I could take her for a
ride as pilot rather than pillion.  If I could fit on a Concours, I'd
buy one.  IMHO, the best sport-tourer made.  I'm not _too_ upset
I had to settle for the Ducati 750SS as my touring bike, though. :-)

>Bored minds wanta know.
So, now you know.

Beth

=================================================================
Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
                                                        -- ZZ Top
=================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104900
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

In article <1r941o$3tu@menudo.uh.edu> inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>another to the list but with this one I felt the most helpless.  I am sitting
>at a light about 1 - 2 car lengths behind a car, a wise decsion.  Suddenly I 
>hear screeching tires.  I dart my eyes to my mirrors and realize it's the 
>moroon flying up right behind me, in my panic I pop my clutch and stall the
>bike.  Luckily the guy stops a foot behind my rear wheel.
>
>I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
>really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

I've only ever done it in an automatic. I was sitting in my Olds, in
the winter, at a light, when I heard screeching behind me. I managed to
dart into the left turn lane before the sliding Jetta wound up half
where I was and half in the parked car beside where I was. I've never
had occasion to do it on a bike, but I imagine that it would be even
easier, because you could slip beside the car in front. Giving a gander
at the mirrors while at a light will give you time to get the clutch
out smoothly when you notice trouble, instead of waiting for the
screeching.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104910
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In rec.motorcycles, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

> Driving While Impared.  It allows for prosecution of drivers under the
> influence of a variety of drugs.

Like non-Sudafed cold medicines?  1/2 :-) 

-Jeff Deeney-  DoD#0498    NCTR                '88 XR600-Shamu 
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
The sound of fresh rain run-off splashing from the roof reminded me of the
sound of urine splashing into a filthy Texaco latrine.    -Jack Handey

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104911
From: vlj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Victor Johnson)
Subject: Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

In rec.motorcycles, rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:

> When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

  When the bugs are splatting on the side of my helmet instead
  of the faceshield.  When semis are on their side in the downwind
  ditch.  When I can't see the road for all the tumbleweeds rolling
  past.  When the airborne sand/gravel is sandblasting my paint job.
  When all of the above is happening at once in the middle of Wonderful
  Wyldoming.

  Well, it *WAS* gusting to 87 mph.

  Cheers,
  VLJ
  ---

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104912
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

In article <1r941o$3tu@menudo.uh.edu> inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>
>I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
>really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

If you had been looking in your mirror, you would have seen the guy coming 
before you heard the screeching tires.

When you're stopped at a light:

1)  Stop so that you're got space in front of you, and a quick easy escape
route (between lanes, into a crosswalk, up a driveway, somewhere) if someone
decides they want to plow into you.

2)  Keep the bike in first with the clutch in until at least a couple of cars
are stopped behind you, so you don't have to waste a second you don't have
trying to get it in gear if you need to move.

3)  Watch your mirrors.  In that situation, most of the hazards you are 
trying to avoid are coming from behind you.  SIPDE (<-- msf-geek-speak)
isn't just for when you're moving.  And you're less likely to panic and stall
the bike if you've got time to prepare before the guy's tires lock up behind
you.  (You still get the bejeezus scared out of you, but it's more a feeling
of quickly-rising dread than a sudden jolt.)





-- 
Ray Shea    		 
UniSQL, Inc.		 	
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu 
DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT     

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104913
From: wallich@NCD.COM (Ken Wallich)
Subject: Re: BMW heated grips

Orating with wild abandon, prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange) offers:
%The grips on my GS are a wonderful thing in the winter and no problem
%in the summer. Vibration? BMW's don't vibrate. Everyone knows that.

I'd agree with Henry.  The grips are really nice to have in winter,
and aren't noticably different from 'normal' grips in summer.  

My only complaint is that the 'low' setting might as well be 'off'.
This has been complained about by every reviewer, official and
unofficial, that's ever talked about these grips.  The 'high' setting
is often too high for use with lightweight summer gloves when things
just get a bit nippy, but since 'low' doesn't produce a noticable
effect, I end up turning the grips on and off to keep the temperature
about right.  This generally isn't a problem when wearing thicker
winter gloves.  When I asked the dealer if they could fix it, I
received a consoling pat on the back, and their sincere apologies for
the poor design (actually, I was told they worked just like they were
suppose to).

Vibration?  What's that?  I ride a BMW twin.  You can barely tell if
the engine is fired up or not most of the time, smoother than silk
sheets.

--
Ken Wallich <wallich@ncd.com> 
ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104914
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: where to put your helmet

In article uupcb@compdyn.questor.org, ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes:
>
>Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. If
>you own a typical standard or other bike with fairly average mirrors
>that screw into your handlebars, your helmet should fit over your mirror
>and be fairly stable

Be careful that you do not have any weight of the helmet resting on the
mirror.  It will depress the foam liner in the helmet.  That is not the
kind of foam that bounces back, like foam rubber.  Its purpose in life
is to absorb energy in an impact as it is compressed by your noggin.
If your mirror compresses it, there is that much less energy absorbing
capacity left to cushon your noggin in a crash.

I found the right handlebar to be a good spot, if on the sidestand.
Hang with the chinbar facing up, balanced across the grip and brake
lever such that the weight of the helmet doesn't compress any of the
chinbar foam.  This is more challanging with an open face helmet.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104915
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for

In article 5967@prcrs.prc.com, terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
>
>I know of no law, either on the books or proposed, that bans motorcycles
>from any place that i want to go to.

So you really see no problem with banning them from places to which you
don't want to go?

>I have not heard, or discussed with non-motorcycling persons, or read of
>any popular movement, either in the country as a whole, or in any of the
>states, that is out to 'get' motorcycles.

Talk to somebody in the insurance industry, particularly after a few
drinks.  Then talk to my mom (no booze required).  :^)

>One more thing, if the public is misinformed and misunderstands as you
>state, what are you and the others posting on this doing to correct the
>situation?   

Ever heard of the DoD?   :^)

>ever since I hit my teens I have found that there were
>terrible wrongs to right, attitudes to adust... [blah, blah, blah]

>Fortunately, I grew up!   :-)

Nah, you just became complacent that so long as your little quarter
acre is safe, you get your little tax deduction, and no act of the
government intrudes, in too direct and obvious a way, into your little
day to day life, you just don't give a shit.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104916
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article r2g@agate.berkeley.edu, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <1quaq9$i7d@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>In article 28353@cbnewsm.cb.att.com, shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>>>Don't you mean "former motorcyclist?"
>>
>>No.
>
>>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation...

Yep.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104917
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article DEH@synoptics.com, noemi@synoptics.com (Noemi Berry) writes:
>
>guess how you turn a horse: LOOK where you want
>to go!  and PLAN your turns and jumps.  the best
>riders give refined, smooth inputs to the beast.
>lots of maintenance.  leather looks cool.
>sound familiar?

Black ones look better.  None are truely indiginous to America,
although some of the finest are produced here.  Gear is expensive, and
you never seem have enough of it.  Volvos hit them.  Only idiots
intentionally rear up the front half off the ground just to look cool.
Posers don't ride them in the rain.  They are dangerous on ice.  Loud
ones are annoying, and too much chrome looks dumb.

Yep, sounds familiar!

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104918
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article 735312515@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>
>>1.  All of us that argue about gyroscopes, etc., throughly understand
>>the technique of countersteering.
>
>Including all the ones who think that they countersteer all the way
>through a corner??

Well... all the way through a decreasing-radius corner, anyway...

>This is really the only thing we disagree on. Maybe we should agree to
>disagree?? 

OK (but I'm right!)  :^)

>The official line here (though I do have my doubts about it) is that the
>front brake is applied first, followed by the rear brake, the idea being
>that you avoid locking up the rear after weight transfer takes place. 

If that's the "official line" taught in those rider education classes
you were refering to, that also don't teach countersteering, I have to
question the quality of the classes.  The "official line" in MSF
curricula is as I described.  Maximum braking is achieved by applying
both brakes equally, when the weight distribution is nominally even and
both tires have equal normal forces, and easing off on the rear to
prevent locking it, and increasing braking on the front, as more
traction is available to the front due to increased normal force due to
weight shift.

The "official line" you have been taught seems ineffective on the face
of it.  Applying the rear brake after the front is not taking advantage
of all the traction available to the rear at time 0, and is halving the
available braking power by using only the front at time 0.

>>Saying, "brake until the tire just begins to slide" is next to useless
>>advice to a newbie.  He has to go out and slide the tire to find out
>>where that is!  It also gives him zero information from which to
>>develop a braking technique that changes as the braking and
>>corresponding weight shift develop.
>
>If you don't slide the tyre, you have no way of knowing whether you've
>achieved maximum braking or not. I'm not suggesting that you should always
>aim to brake as hard as you possibly can - but if you want to find the
>limits of the machine, you have to go beyond them. 

Not necessarily true.  "Chirping" the tire indicates impending lockup
(on most surfaces), and serves as a good guide to newbies to indicate
maximum braking.  I agree that totally locking the front occasionally
makes one a better rider, but it is a manuver best saved for an
experienced rider, unless you have one of those outrigger bikes like
Code used to use.

>In any case, for maximum braking, if (as I suggested) you aim to keep
>both wheels just on the point of sliding, then you'll be doing
>exactly as *you* suggest!!

True, but from the point of view of how to best *teach* riding skills
(which is how this discussion started), "keep both wheels just on the
point of sliding" is nearly useless information.  You need to teach a
*technique*, or at least a strategy, to achieve this.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104919
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

In article 735328328@bdrc.bd.com, Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) writes:
>So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in left 
>hand, Camel cigarette in the right, no feet allowed.) If I lean, and the 
>bike turns, am I countersteering?

Countersteering is a method for *leaning* the bike.  Another method is
leaning.  Once leaned, the bike turns all by itself.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104920
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) writes:
|> 
|> Various posts about shafties can't do wheelies:
|> 
|> >: > No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
|> >: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
|> >: > off the ground
|> >
|> >Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my
|> >BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and
|> >you know what? He was right!
|> 
|> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
|> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!

you may have been able to bounce the front up but not
actually do a "wheelie". see the shaft effect unloads
the rear susspension and effectivly loads the front.
this is why a shaft bike should accelerate if it starts
scraping in a corner......


laz

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104921
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article 190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov, jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>
>	What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?

Driving While Impared.  It allows for prosecution of drivers under the
influence of a variety of drugs.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104922
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article 13542@news.duke.edu, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>
>Also, NC recently (last few years) decided that due to the fact there
>are constantly people on the road drunk driving, they will raise
>their awareness of it by making stricter laws, and as such, now I believe
>NC has the toughest laws for DWI (while not necessarily increasing any
>amount of awareness, or "kills" on the highways - meaning it's
>only made a difference at sentencing)

Automatic revocation of your license for a year.  I'm not sure it's the
"toughtest" law around, but NC has absolutely no sense of humor with
respect to driving laws, anyway.  I think they put you in jail and sell
your first child into slavery for passing a school bus...

A bill breezed through the NC House to lower the intoxification level
from .1 to .08.  It faces stiff opposition in the Senate.  Recently,
the Highway Patrol took a few of the opposition Senators out and gave
them some shots, and when they hit .07, put them on a course dodging
cones.  They failed, and will probably change their votes as a result.

For some bizarre reason, NC is the only state where the governer has no
veto power over legislation coming out of the state Congress, so his
opinion on the matter is moot.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104924
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?
>
>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.

  Why not?  Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus
and Vauxhall.  Rover is only owned 20% by Honda.

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| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104925
From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Bike advice

I have an '89 Kawasaki KX 80.  It is in mint condition and starts on the first
kick EVERY time.  I have outgrown the bike, and am considering selling it.  I
was told I should ask around $900.  Does that sound right or should it be
higher/lower?
    Also, I am looking for a used ZX-7.  How much do I have to spend, and what
year should I look for to get a bike without paying an arm and a leg????
    Thanks for the help!

                                                    Rob Fusi
                                                    rwf2@lehigh.edu
-- 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104926
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Subject: Re: story

In article <1993Apr19.223026.10137@Pacesetter.COM> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>
> I just got back from the 11th Annual Southern California Harley Dealers
>Association Run to the Colorado river city of Lauglin, Nevada.
>
>AKA - the Lauglin Run
>

I went there too.  All I can say is

"TOO MUCH TRASH".


-- 
I hate the 3B2
The 3B2 can bite me.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104927
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

I've never ridden pillion very much but recently had an excellent 
experience passengering with Dave Edmondson at pilot while in London. 

I found that it upset the bike much less if I rode with the pilot, that
is, if I looked over his shoulder and anticipated when I should hold on
hard for braking or acceleration. I tried to always look over the
inside shoulder on corners and move as little as possible, leaving
Dave to manage me and the bike as he normally would the bike and 
luggage.

Hard acceleration can be quite unnerving as the feeling of being spit 
off the back is hard to fight. Similarly, I held on to the grab handles
tightly when Dave needed to brake so as not to mash him to a pulp (I'm
a lot bigger than he is...). Reaching around him and pushing off the 
tank seemed like it would be very awkward and make it even harder for 
him to manage.

On the rare occasions when I carry a passenger myself, I absolutely
refuse to carry anyone who is not properly accoutered for riding. That's
helmet, jacket, gloves, stout pants and shoes/boots as a minimum. It's 
not my responsibility to provide this gear, but it's my responsibility
to require it if they want to ride.

And I agree with an earlier poster: if you've not had much experience
carrying a particular passenger and especially if you've not carried
many passengers before, take a few gentler rides of some duration before
you head off to a difficult road like Mines/Mt. Hamilton. That's a 
nasty place to find yourself in trouble.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104932
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)
From: stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs)

In article <C5sK1D.C1p@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG (vidaros@dhhalden.no) wrote:
>& Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models 
>& really mean. 

>"CB" is a street bike with an parallel twin or inline 4-cylinder engine.

>Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@sad.hp.com    (707) 794-4168 work,



Hmmm ... . my first bike, a CB125S, was a single . . .


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104933
From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: BMWMOA Controversy

In article <1993Apr15.163043.12770@pb2esac.uucp> prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:
>In article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>>>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
>>>...good ol boys that have been there too long. 
>>
>> [...] while I agree with you that the current
>>board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash 
>>for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...? 
>
>Yo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think?
>
>If there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of
>us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your
>esteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you
>got to the above contretemps?
>

Now you know why I am just a DOD member.  I like bikes and clubs but
the politics and other b*llsh*t is a real turn-off.
-- 
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irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75/6)
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104934
From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: test


test

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104942
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: Re: Bat-helmet.

CBD>From: Christopher Bradley Devlin <cd1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>

CBD>>but it's nothing compared to the (ahem) unique helmet
CBD>>design seen in the new Animated Series: it has a huge opening for his
CBD>>mouth, topped by the world's tiniest eyeslits above the enormous mouth
CBD>>opening. Batman's helmet probably cuts you down to about 12 degrees of
CBD>>unrestricted vision. With a helmet like this, he might just be better
CBD>>off with the leather cap/mask thingy.

CBD>C'mon, Batman doesn't need to SEE.  He's Batman.

CBD>Did you notice he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain?

So let's see what we have on the Batdude so far: He has a weird helmet.
He drags his knee in corners (thanks, Cookson, but how does he do it?
Hidden Bat-pucks?), and he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain.
Also, he lets Robin ride! I think I could have used a Bat-mom. Would
have made getting my license a lot easier!

There's a trend here: Stylish helmet, Stylish knee-dragging, rides only
in Stylish cartoon precipitation. Hmm . . . Could it be that we're
dealing with a veritable airborne mammalian poseur? Dare I say it, a
BAT-SQUID?? (huh? Bat-Squid?) It all adds up now . . .

Let's make the B-man an honorary DoD DuDe. All he needs is a DoD
sticker.

Actually, anyone have an address for Batman's current artists, both
comic book and animated series? We'll write and ask if Batman would like
to become an honorary Denizen! Yeah!

Special To The KoTL: Is there a precedent for inducting an imaginary
member with an imaginary motorcycle? Having seen the computers in the
Bat-Cave, I think we can safely assume that he also has imaginary
Internet access.

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104943
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: Boom! Dog attack!

My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or
something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the
approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target,
then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it
didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my
house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to
harm.

But I digress: I was riding near the (unpainted) centerline of the
roughly 30-foot wide road, doing between forty and sixty clicks (30 mph
for the velocity-impaired). The dog shot at me from behind bushes on the
left side of the road at an impossibly high speed. I later learned he
had been accelerating from the front porch, about thirty feet away,
heading down the very gently sloped approach to the side of the road. I
saw the dog, and before you could say SIPDE, he was on me. Boom! I took
the dog in the left leg, and from the marks on the bike my leg was
driven up the side of the bike with considerable force, making permanent
marks on the plastic parts of the bike, and cracking one panel. I think
I saw the dog spin around when I looked back, but my memory of this
moment is hazy.

I next turned around, and picked the most likely looking house. The
apologetic woman explained that the dog was not seriously hurt (cut
mouth) and hoped I was not hurt either. I could feel the pain in my
shin, and expected a cool purple welt to form soon. Sadly, it has not.
So I'm left with a tender shin, and no cool battle scars!

Interestingly, the one thing that never happened was that the bike never
moved off course. The not inconsiderable impact did not push the bike
off course, nor did it cause me to put the bike out of control from some
gut reaction to the sudden impact. Delayed pain may have helped me
here, as I didn't feel a sudden sharp pain that I can remember.

What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have
prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not
necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was
riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if
it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the
thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a
blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are
long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end?

I eagerly await comment.

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104944
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!

In article <1993Apr14.200933.15362@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette) writes:
>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>>ps.  I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and
>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase.
>
>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.


Squeaky BMW riders.



-- 
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UniSQL, Inc.		                                 --Leah
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DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT     

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104945
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)

In article <1993Apr16.142831.13635@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
>--
>In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu 
>(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
>|>>
>|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
>|>>>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
>|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
>|>>
>|>>	Does this count?
>|>
>|>Yes.  He thought about it.
>|>>
>|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
>|>>							 return...)
>
>Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even 
>tried to get my FAQ's straight.  Don't holler BOHICA at me!
> 
Around here, even mentioning the DoD without a number in your .sig
can get you soundly FAQed.  Notice, however, that I myself did
not FAQ the careful monk.  He was, after all, waiting to press return.


Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104946
From: mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie)
Subject: Re: Flashing anyone?

In <1993Apr15.123539.2228@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:

>Hello all,

>On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals
>flash).  Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of
>tolls one must pay on route.  Just before arriving at a toll booth I
>switch the hazards on.  I do thisto warn other motorists that I will
>be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.
>Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making
>transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the
>average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll.
>I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and
>usually go to another booth.

>My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?

>Any others tend to do the same?

>Just curious

>o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>
>    Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
>    1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
>    DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)

Beleive it or not:  NY state once considered eliminating tolls for motor-
cycles based simply on the fact that motos clog up toll booths.  But then
Mario realized the foolishness of trading a few hundred K $`s a year for
some relief in traffic congestion.

Too bad he won`t take that Sumpreme Court Justice job - I thought we might
be rid of him forever.
--
--Matt Dennie                              Internet: mmd.wbst207v@xerox.com
Xerox Corporation, Rochester, NY (USA)
"Reaching consensus in a group often
 is confused with finding the right answer."  -- Norman Maier

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104947
From: edw@boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh)
Subject: Guzzi 850-T tires, plus fairing question




I have a question about tires for my Guzzi. It is a '75 850-T. The tires that
were on it when I just bought it are old and cracked. I do not have an
owners manual for it (yet), but the tires listed in the Haynes manual are:
Front, 3,50 H 18 ; Rear 4.10 H 18, and pressures recommended are 26 front and
33 rear. Oddly, the pressure for the same tire on the T-3 is listed at 29 psi
instead. Anyone know the reason? As I know though, the pressure I should run
at is that recommended by the manufacturer of the new tires I purchase.

The real question I have is this. The old tires that are on the bike are for
the front, a Metzler Touring Special, 4.10 H 18, and for the rear an Avon
Roadrunner 4.70 H 18, (120/90) H 18 as marked on each tire. Both are larger
than that listed in the Haynes Manual. What does the owners manual recommend,
and was it common to go up one size for this bike? Also, this will be my first
motorcycle with innertubes. Any comments on the various manufacturers inner
tube qualities?

The above sizes are inches (except for the additional mark on the current
rear tire). What is the best metric match? The local BMW dealer thought
100/90 H 18 on the front and 120/90 H 18 on the back. He also happens to be
very good at getting close to matching mail order prices.

I am thinking of going with a Metzler ME33 Laser (possibly Comp K) on the
front and ME88 on the back, both in MBS variety if possible (the longer 
lasting belting system). I already use the ME33 on both the Vision and
FJ for the front, and like it, and I thought that with the shaft drive
behavior and torque from the Guzzi that the ME88 might give more predictable
back end control and sliding behavior than a ME55 might, as well as giving
much better tire milage life. Any comments?

A friend told me he thought that my bike had Boranni rims which are very
good, but are relatively soft and have delicate sidewalls. I do not wish to
mount the tires myself this first time, so aside from warning the shop to be
careful, any other comments I should make? I havn't looked at the rim to
check out the make yet, if it is marked. He just told me late yesterday and
I havn't had a chance to check the rim type.

On another note. I will remove the ugly (but in good shape....anyone want it?)
Vetter fairing, and I will run without a windscreen for a while, but eventually
I would like a simple rounded cafe' style quarter fairing for it. It could be
fork/handlebar mounted. Any suggestions? Is there such a thing as a frame
mounted quarter fairing of the cafe' style for this bike? How about lower
bars/clip-ons for it? I would like to restore the bike into a good condition
runner with a few modern updates, but while not being historically exactly
accurate still have it reflect relatively well a representation of the cafe'
style. (Yes I know to be picky, that period really predates this bike....it is
just that this bike has such potential for _that_ look.)

-----------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
                             edw@boi.hp.com  Disk Memory Division, MS475
                             (208)323-2174   P.O. Box 15  Boise,Idaho 83707
                             89FJ1200;82XZ550RJ(Vision);75Guzzi850-T;DoD#98

-----------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
                             edw@boi.hp.com  Disk Memory Division, MS475
                             (208)396-2174   P.O. Box 15  Boise,Idaho 83707
                             89FJ1200;82XZ550RJ(Vision);75Guzzi850-T;DoD#98

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104948
From: carter@ecf.toronto.edu (CARTER EDWARD A)
Subject: Re: SQUIDS and Dealers 

In article <C5vxH8.Auv@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell) writes:
[stuff chopped]
>Here is the part that concerned me. The "HG" and those shop personel that were
>not busy with customers went back out, where said "HG" members fired up their
>rides and did the obligatory reving up of those 600 beasts. At this point,
>one decided to see how much rubber  a Katana 600 could deposit in the drive.
>
>SQUIDS, I thought to myself. BUT I was appalled that the salesdroids/manager
>not only condoned this behavior, but encourged it, to the point were they
>were betting how long he could keep it up and egged him on to pull a wheely
>as he rode off onto a busy street around rush hour. THe girl that was riding pillion on another bike, seemed rather hormonal about this display, and urged her
>"pilot" to quickly catch up. The others followed, making sure there Kerkers
>could be heard as well as felt.

Um, you gotta understand these "salesdroids" as you call them.  They look at
it this way: burn lotsa tire; make lotsa money.  I'm sure s/ he knew how
stupid the "HG" was.  Would you seriously stop them from burning off 
a seasons worth of tire??  The SQUIDS probably would buy Metzelers or some
good low profile tire anyhow...

Yep.  Them droids sure a sneaky bastards! ;)

Regards, Ted.

---
University of Toronto Computer Engineering               
PowerUsersGroupChairman
'89 FZR600: I'm taking a ride with my best friend.                  DoD#:886699

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104949
From: carter@ecf.toronto.edu (CARTER EDWARD A)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
>but I've never actually done it.

Oh yeah, all the time.  On a nice spring/summer day, I roll down the window
and drive around looking for bikes.  When a bike motors by in the opposite
direction, I stick my arm out and hi5'em.  My arm feels like a million 
bucks when I'm doing this a 60km/h.  I do the same thing with cyclists.
The only problem with hi5ing a cyclist is their always in the right hand lane.
I hafta roll down the other window and hi5 them on the back.  Oh well, I 
think they appreciate the thought. 

Regards, Ted.

---
University of Toronto Computer Engineering               
PowerUsersGroupChairman
'89 FZR600: I'm taking a ride with my best friend.                  DoD#:886699


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104950
From: ESV@psuvm.psu.edu
Subject: Re: First bike: Honda Ascot?

In article <3658@contex.contex.com>, frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro)
says:
>
>The FT is fun, I wanted to buy one.  But I waited 10 years an bought
>a Hawk instead.  Friends, owners of the former cycle shop on 125 in
>Andover, bought one new, but several years old.  Cost him $995.
>You should not pay too much for one.
>
>I hear they can be fitted with the front end of a 500cc Interceptor,
>and thus have great brakes.  Sounds like fun.  Some dude on this
>forum has one thats all tricked out.
>
>Second Hand Bike warns that they are fine up until 40,000 miles.

The FT-500 is a good beginner's bike with:
  *  a reasonable seating position
  *  enough power to get you up and around, but
       not so much it'll scare the bejeebers out of you
  *  tips over well, and easy to pick up
       (don't ask)
  *  simple maintenance

I've had mine for four or so years, and haven't had any
serious problems with it.  I bought it used for $750 with
about 8000 miles on it.

Just last week, someone in the neighborhood stopped by to
ask me about it; whether I thought it was a good beginner's
bike, is it comfortable and powerful enough, blah blah blah...
Seems he found one used for < $500 with about 3600 miles on it.

The reall "trick" mod I've heard was to take the front end from
a 600 hurricane and slide it in.  This was from a guy who
campaigns two Ascots in SOS racing.  He says they do pretty
well too, once you strip off the starter, lights and other
assorted street paraphernalia, its a pretty fast and light bike.

Andrew Coll       ESV@PSUVM.BITNET
                  ESV@PSUVM.PSU.EDU

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104951
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein) writes:

>In article <mjs.735489679@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>>if I'm riding I would far sooner have the pillion hanging on to the bike,
>>rather than me, because I find that their weight can cause *me* to move,
>>and that can upset the balance of the bike. Most of the pillions I see 
>>over here hold the grabrail. The really good ones don't hang on to anything
>>unless violent acceleration is taking place.

>Hmmmmn...don't you ride with your sweetheart?

Only in my dreams....

:-(


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104952
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies 

Hey Nick!  I got a bounce from postmaster@bnr.ca, it seems that they've never 
heard of a user 'npet'.  You should sort these guys out.


Tony

+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104953
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies 

In article <1993Apr23.164901.13892@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:

>  When did *you* go out and change the laws of physics? :-)  According to some
>numbers I used to see bandied around, shaft drive is on the order of 95-97%
>efficient, while chain drive is closer to 99%...   Seems to me that this makes
>*chain* drive more efficient, hmmmmm???
>

Well maintained chains, running in oil, without those little rubber 'O' rings 
to cause frictional losses, might reach 99% efficiency.  The average open to 
the dust 'O' ring motorcycle chain probably has a difficult job making 90% 
efficient.


Tony

+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104954
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!! 

In article <1r941o$3tu@menudo.uh.edu> inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:

>bike.  Luckily the guy stops a foot behind my rear wheel.
>
>I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
>really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?
>

Anybody who drove into somebody like that in this country would hopefully 
lose their licence.  However, the avoidance is simple.  Don't stop behind the 
cage. stop beside it, or better still, in front of it, so that it acts as a 
buffer.


Tony


+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104955
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!! 

Why do you let such brain dead idiots drive in the US?


Tony

+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104956
From: dwarner@sceng.ub.com (Dave Warner)
Subject: Sabbatical (and future flames)

So, I begin my 6 week sabbatical in about 15 minutes.  Six wonderful weeks
of riding, and no phones or email.

I won't have any way to check mail (or setup a vacation agent, no sh*t!), 
though I can dial in and get newsfeed, (dont ask), so if there are any 
outstanding CFC's or such things,please try my compuserve address:

72517.3356@compuserve.com

Anybody wants to do some WEEKDAY rides around the BA, send me a mail
to above or post here.

I'll be thinking about all of you stuck if front of your
terminals......"Sheeyaahhh, and monkeys might fly out of my butt..."
ride safe,
dave



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                           Sense AIN'T common....

Dave Warner                          Opinions unlikely to be shared
AMA 687955/HOG 0588773/DoD 870	     by my employer or anyone else
dwarner@sceng.ub.com                 _Signature on file_     
dwarner@milo.ub.com                  72517.3356@compuserve.com   
'93 FXSTS                            '71 T120 (Stolen)

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104957
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <Clarke.5.734991574@bdrc.bd.com>, Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) writes:
|> final trajectory. Too bad it didn't notice the car approaching at 50+mph 
    ....
|> from the other direction.
|> 
|> I got a closeup view of the our poor canine friend's noggin careening off 
|> the front bumper, smacking the asphalt, and getting runover by the front 
|> tire. It managed a pretty good yelp, just before impact. (peripheral 
|> imminent doom?) I guess the driver didn't see me or they probably would have 
|> swerved into my lane. The squeegeed pup actually got up and headed back 
|> home, but I haven't seen it since. 
|> 

Same thing to me.  Everyday the same dog would chase my bicycle.
The owners thought it was cute.  Even after I got the moto,
the stupid dog would do the same thing.  Then one day, I was
coming home in the opposite lane...the fluff with teeth ran to
get me and played momentum sharing with a 73 Dodge pick.
The owners tried to blame me for driving down street when I did.
I lived in a wierd town.


=============================================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
= Parking spaces? We don't need no steenkin' parking spaces!                =
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104958
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (M Beavington)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...

In article <13386@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.
|> 
|> I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
|> vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.
|> 
|> Now what do I do?
|> 

Go bikeless.  You drink and drive, you pay. No smiley.


Mike Beavington
mbeaving@bnr.ca
*opinions are my own and not my companies'.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104959
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <13394@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> Apparently that last post was a little hasy, since I
|> called around to more places and got quotes for less
|> than 600 and 425.  Liability only, of course.
|> 
|> Plus, one palced will give me C7C for my car + liab on the bike for
|> only 1350 total, which ain't bad at all.
|> 
|> So I won't go with the first place I called, that's
|> fer sure.
|> 

Nevertheless, DWI is F*ckin serious.  Hope you've got some 
brains now.

Mike Beavington
mbeaving@bnr.ca
* these opinions are my own and not my companies'.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104960
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impac


In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:

>In article sda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:

>  The only people who train for years to jump a horse 2 feet
>are equistrian posers who wear velvet tails and useless helmets.
>

	Which, as it turns out, is just about everybody that's serious about
horses. What a bunch of weenie fashion nerds. And the helmets suck. I'm wearing
my Shoei mountain bike helmet - fuck em.>>>


>>	Or I'm permanently injured.
>
>Oops.  too late.
>

	Nah, I can still walk unaided.



-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104961
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Do Splitfires Help Spagthorpe Diesels ?

In article <C5JF22.DJr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) writes:
>Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs.  One
>guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell.  Well,
>I saw one think that someone said about "Show me a team that used Split-
>fires...."  Well, here's some additional insight and some theories
>about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages.
>
>Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and
>increased power for the 4x4 cages.  Well, for these guys, splitfires
>
>Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with
>somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than

Splitfires work mainly by providing a more-or-less unshrouded spark to the
combustion chamber. If an engine's cylinder head design can benefit from this,
then the splitfires will yield a slight performance increase, most noticeably
in lower rpm range torque. Splitfires didn't do diddly-squat for my 1992 GMC
pickup (4.3l V6) but do give a noticeable performance boost in my 1991 Harley
Sportster 1200 and my best friend's 1986 Sportster 883. Folks I know who've
tried them in 1340 Evo motors can't tell any performance boost over plain
plugs (which is interesting since the XLH and big twin EVO combustion chambers
are pretty much the same shape, just different sizes). Two of my friends who
have shovelhead Harleys swear by the splitfires but if I had a shovelhead,
I'd dual-plug it instead since they respond well enough to dual plugs to make
the machine work and extra ignition system worth the expense (plus they look
really cool with a spark plug on each side of each head)
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
	      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104962
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Definition of "two up"?

>   So following that logic could you describe "Two down" 
>as the transition period between "Two Up" and "coming to
>rest after a High or low side" ? Otherwise it sounds pretty
>good. :-)
>-- 
>Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063

Or perhaps it's referring to the wife and child sitting
in the sidecar next to the one-up on the
moto?

:)

Anyone ever heard of a game called oneup-onedown?

(it's a drinking game, for all you older folx...:)



-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104963
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: RIM NEEDED

In article <1993Apr14.210922.20916@news.columbia.edu> twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang) writes:
>In article <13177@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante)writes:
>>In article <1993Apr13.122643.3180@walter.bellcore.com> pgoudas@gomer.bellcore.com (Paul Goudas) writes:
>>>	Also, is there a law or something that requires NYC to keep it's
>>			 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>street empty of potholes greater than a certain depth?  I (rather my bike) 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA WHAHwuhuhahuah!!!!
>>
>>That's a good one!!  Really, stop!  I can't breathe!!
>
>	Bite your tongue. Those of us who ACTUALLY RIDE in NYC on a
>daily basis could not live without those Potholes. It'll ruin the
>flavor. It's not enough just to dodge taxis, buses, pedistrians,
>bicycle messengers, and BDI's on a block by block basis. Those
>potholes always makes for that sudden randomness that makes it all so
>much fun. Besides, where else can you think of that allows you to
>constantly test your panic braking, shocks, and dirt-riding abilities
>all on city streets. You smooth asphalt canyon carvers don't know what
>you're missing.
>
>8-)........
>
I was laughing about the law part.

I've driven thru SOHO...manahattan, _I_ know what' you're talking 'bout...

:^)

Not that Durham, NC is any better...

(well, maybe a little bit anyway, but the NC DOT takes more
money from road taxes and puts it in their own pockets and
into the pockets of the guys building the large condos that
need their own roads than they do back into fixing roads, but
hey, the local paper did a report of this last summer, and 
boy, am I glad I don't work for the DOT, 'cause they got SHAT
on, bigtime....wonder who lost their jobs?  ED?  Got any idea?)


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104964
From: Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Please tell me they're not permenant scratches!

Is there a way to wax out a dull finish (minor scrathes)?  While
"passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
rid of these?  Buff them out?  Wax them out?
help!

Thanks in advance
Cathy
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Cathy Saum ............................cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu                 
1252 S. Negley Ave.#2................'82 Yamaha  SECA XJ650                 
Pgh, PA 15217................'73 CL450 (custom wooden tank)                 
Studio:............................'64 1/2 Mustang (351 V8)                 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104965
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

joe, i'm sorry you felt i was pissing on your list.  no disparagement
was intended and i would be most interested to know what i said that
made you feel that way.  i am not suggesting that your list is
superflous nor that it will not serve a need.  i just would like not
to see the boxer contingent split, but there is certainly enough net
for more than one list.
-- 
-- bob pasker
-- rbp@netcom.com
--

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104966
From: eerik@iastate.edu (Eerik J. Villberg)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:

>	Ok, hold on a second and clarify something for me:

>	What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?

>	   JNM

Here in Iowa it is/has been OWI (operating under the influence) and OMVI
(operating motor vehicle under the influence).  They (gov't) changed it to
OMVI so that people in motor boats could also be charged with drunk driving. 
-- 
Eerik J. Villberg                     **  P people for the
eerik@iastate.edu                     **  E eating of
4208 Harris Street                    **  T tasty
Ames Ia  50010                        **  A animals

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104967
From: jgoss@gaia.torolab.ibm.com (Jeff Goss)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

In article <1993Apr23.215123.23789@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:


> In article <1r941o$3tu@menudo.uh.edu> inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
> >another to the list but with this one I felt the most helpless.  I am sitting
> >at a light about 1 - 2 car lengths behind a car, a wise decsion.  Suddenly I 
> >hear screeching tires.  I dart my eyes to my mirrors and realize it's the 
> >moroon flying up right behind me, in my panic I pop my clutch and stall the
> >bike.  Luckily the guy stops a foot behind my rear wheel.
> >
> >I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
> >really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?
> 
Another tip is to make sure you keep well to one side of the lane. This gives
you a quicker escape route.

Jeff Goss

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104968
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <C5w18w.DpD@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
>Charles Sundheim (csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu) wrote:
>: Folks,
>
>: I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.

	How 'bout "Big Faus and Little Halsey" with Robert
	Redford and that little guy that was in Bonnie & Clyde.

	Good flick, IMHO.

				Michael
-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104969
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) wrote:
> 
> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
> >hello there
> >can anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
> >comment on its handling .
> 
> 
>    Some guy came to the OMRRA race school last weekend with number plates
>    on his V-Max.  He didn't get more than 2 practice laps in before he pushed
>    the frame too hard and it drove him into the guard rail on the back
>    straight.
> 
>    Portland International Raceway is now 2-for-2 on V-Max'es.
> 
>    V-Max - handling?  Ferget it.
> 
>    BTW:  The rider was conscious and semi-coherent when the ambulance
>    carted him off.  That's all I know.

I hate to pick on someone who may have been seriously injured (let's hope
not), but: semi-coherent sounds like a good description of someone who
shows up at the track w/ a VMax in the first place:-{

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104970
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) wrote:
> 
> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
> > egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> >> I know it sounds ludicrous for a biker to advocate restrictions on
> >> biking in a biking forum,
> >
> >Don't you mean "former motorcyclist?"
> 
> No.

Hmmmmmmmmm. I can read this one of two ways:

1) Ed gotabike.
2) Motorcyclist is like alcoholic. (once you're an alcoholic, you're always
an
                                    alcoholic - at least that's what
friends in
                                    a position to know tell me)

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104971
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: BMW Boxer TV ad!!

karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) wrote:
> 
> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
> >
> >Did anyone see the TV ad for the new BMW boxer on U.K. television
> >at the weekend??
> 
> Not me--since I have no reception and no cable, I'm not likely to see
> any ads.  And if I did they'd most likely be have been taped in the US
> anyway.

Yeh. Be tough to pick up UK Telly in your situation:-}

No signs of Type 259 ads in TV in the states yet, but I don't watch much,
so I'm not in a real position to comment.

BUT! I got my invite to the dealer introduction "On the deck out back".
RSVP is on the way!!!!!!

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104972
From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: Yamaha Locks (was Cobra Lock)

Has anyone any experience with the (new?) Yamaha Cyclelok ?

It looks like it uses the same hardened steel as a Kryptonite U lock,
but unlike a U lock, it is hinged in 5 places and opens out to a large
rectangle (longer length than any U lock I have seen, plus it folds down
to real small), so you could lock the rear tire to a steel post for example.

I was curious as to how well the jointed sections would stand up to attack ?

tony
--
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CMCS Codegeneration Group, Software Division
Cray Research Inc, 655F Lone Oak Drive, Eagan, MN 55121

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104973
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax (and mail-order)

In article <1993Apr21.160012.12989@dsd.es.com> bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.130512.147@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>>In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>>>I bought it, I tried it:
>>>It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>>>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>
>>I'd try it on the VFR, but goddamn Competition Accessories hasn't mailed my
>>order yet.  Hell, it's only been two weeks and I was ordering some pretty
>>bizzare stuff.  Like a clear RF-200 face sheild, and a can of Chain Wax...
>>Bastards.
>
>For what it's worth, I got my can in three days from Chaparral. That's
>UPS ground from CA to UT, YMMV. The stuff seems to work, and it doesn't
>attract grundge like PJ-1 Blue does. I gave it the acid test, a full
>day's worth of breaking in the Quadracer's new paddle tires down at the
>sand dunes. If there's anything wet & stickey it will be coated with
>sand at the end of the day, but the chain looked pretty clean.

	I'll third the recommendation as Miracle Spooge.

	Don't go to the dealer to get it or what happened to me might happen
to you:  you put a deposit on a new bike.

Sigh,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104974
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks

In article <1993Apr21.105043.22848@hemlock.cray.com> ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:
>Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago (doc@webrider.central.sun.com) wrote:
>: I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing 
>: a motorcycle.  I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
>: (described below).  Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
>: in the Chicago area?
>: 
>: Any other feedback from someone who has used this?
>
>What about the new Yamaha "Cyclelok" ?

	It is far from new.  It's been around almost as long as dirt.

>From the photo in Motorcyclist, it looks the same hardened steel as a 
>Kryptonite U lock, except it folds in five places.
>It seems to extend out far enough to lock the rear tire to the tube of
>a parking sign or similar.
>
>Anyone had any experience with them, how easy is it to attack the lock
>at the jointed sections ?

	I had one for one of my old bikes.  Worked fine.  I'm sure, being
rigid and nonflexible, that the "Cyclelok" would yield instantly to the freeze
and break routine.

	But then, for $40, what do ya want?

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104975
From: sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Matthew Sheppard)
Subject: Help me adjust my tappits

Well, just got all the parts replaced that needed replced
(sprokets+chain) and notice that engine still taps like it did before.
All our local 'experts' say it's the tappits that need some adjusting so
I am soon to attempt that.  I would like any advice anyone had.  I do
not have a shop manual but have read about the procedure in Chiltons and
in a few other places.  Is there anything I need to be particularaly
carful of?  Any problems anyone else has encountered?

I ride a 1981 Yamaha Exciter 250cc (stop laughing, it's tiny, but it's
shiny)

--
| Matthew Sheppard  CLARKSON UNIVERSITY  sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu |
| I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.ANoN |
| I don't want a pickle. DoD#477 TEP#477 RIDE FREE (8^]..etcetera..    |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104976
From: SRUHL@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Stefan Ruhl)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

Just one little thing. Last year, mid-december, a cop pulled me over. It 
was about -10 Centigrade, and it just started snowing (O.K. you are right, I 
live in Canada). The cop checked my license, insurance, ownership, looked at 
my frozen nose and fingers, told me to watch the speed limit more closely, 
and, entering his cruiser, told me, I was doing 68 instead of 50 km/h. 
Didn't ticket me, and I REALLY slowed down after that ( I already mentioned 
it started to snow. )

        Safe riding, Stefan.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
Stefan Ruhl 
german exchange student. 
...  come out on a Honda, 
if you can get it running. 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104977
From: wallich@NCD.COM (Ken Wallich)
Subject: Re: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?

In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
%
%   Request for opinions:	
%
%   Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?
%


Like most everyone else, I ended up getting two different sizes for
the top and bottom.  My top is a 46L and the bottom is a 48L.  For the
bottom, the waist is far too large, but the thighs fit just right (the
46 had a better waist, but cut off the circulation in my legs, I have
large, muscular thighs, and no, I didn't use the thighmaster to get
them :-).  The jacket fits me ok in the chest, slightly snug at the
waist, and too small in the arms.  I can't imagine finding a one-piece
size that would have fit correctly, as even the 2 piece has it's
problems (strange, since my V-Pilot jacket fits great all over, and
when I tried the matching pants, they fit like a glove as well).

I can only assume the models Aero Design uses to design its suits are
in some way different from us real folks.

Also, even though it's related to convienience, you look pretty damn
wierd walking around with the tops and bottoms while running errands.
I've gotten some really suspicious looks, and sweated a lot while in a
store wearing the whole suit, since you can't fit the top and bottom
in any motorcycle storage device yet devised (except the trunk in my
sidecar rig :-).  With the two piece, I unzip the pants (I generally
leave the two pieces zipped together, primarily because the pants fall
down unless I pull the cheesy elastic belt-type band real tight),
stuff them in one of my spacious BMW saddlebags (the pants just fit),
and run errands just wearing the jacket.  Actually, if I know I'll be
running errands, I just wear my V-Pilot jacket, but that's just me...

As far as crash protection, I'd say that both suits are probably
equal.  It seems that for weather protection, if anything the 2 piece
provides a little more because of the jacket overlapping the pants by
3 inches.  The 2 piece is probably a little less comfortable around
the waist, just because of the extra layer of stuff, but maybe not.

So I'd have to vote for the two piece.  Despite the slightly odd fit,
I still find the suit the most versatile piece of riding clothing I
own.  Wouldn't go long distance without it.

Ken Wallich <wallich@ncd.com> 
ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken
--
Ken Wallich <wallich@ncd.com> 
ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104978
From: martind@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Dan Martin)
Subject: Re: Touring the southwest

kim@fatcity.cts.com (Kim Sharpe) writes:
>A few of us are touring Sothwest Utah in mid June to see the Canyons.\
>Do any of you have some helpful hints on where to stay or
>things to see/do/avoid.  Plans are to see Bryce, Zion, Arches.
>Is the Grand close at that point or is an additional trip required?
>Any help would be nice.  Thank you for your support.

Spring break, I went through the four corners area and back.  The most
beautiful stop I made was in Utah at the Needles Overlook.  Though this
is a bit further east than where you appear to be going, I highly
recommend it.  IMHO it is far more beautiful than the Grand Canyon.  It
was not well marked, but was one of few paved roads off of US191 (I was
heading north from Monticello).  In order to get to the right place, I
should clarify that it is the Needles OVERLOOK, and not the recreation
area.  Heading north from Monticello, it is the second turnoff, and may
have been marked as the Anticline Overlook.  Anticline overlook is
about 20 (dirt, if this matters to you) miles past the Needles
overlook.  The road out to the overlook is paved and reasonably
maintained (I ran it about 70mph).

Looking out from the overlook was like being God and looking down on 
the world.  If it isn't too far out of your way, you should see it.


Dan Martin         |     "I can't stand this proliferation of paperwork.
martind@spot       |      Its useless to fight the forms.
                   |
                   |      You've got to kill the people producing them."
.colorado.edu      |           -Vladimir P. Kabaidze, Soviet Plant manager


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104979
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: How to buy a first bike, etc.

bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:

> There have been a *lot* of posts lately about "I wanna buy my first bike - is
> GSXR/ZX/CBR/FZR a good bike to learn on?" etc.
> 
> I think I'm going to put together a FAQ on buying a new bike. Ravi used to po
> one all the time.
> -- 
> Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
>                    e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Make that buying a *first* bike- a new bike is not generally a good first
bike...


--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104980
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
]joe, i'm sorry you felt i was pissing on your list.  no disparagement
]was intended and i would be most interested to know what i said that
]made you feel that way.  

you didn't, I meant 'pissing' like boxer owners 'piss' on K bike owners
and K bike owners 'piss' on boxer owners and so forth. in the end it's
nothing more than co-owner ribbing. no disparagement was received or 
returned intentionally, sorry 'bout the lack of :-)'s.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
BMW Mailing List                                          bmw@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104981
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!! 

In article <735663225snz@morgan.demon.co.uk> tony@morgan.demon.co.uk writes:
>Why do you let such brain dead idiots drive in the US?

Because, unlike the UK, passing the average driving test over here
usually only requires a pulse & a single digit IQ. Every state controls
their own licensing requirements, so it's possible that there's a test
out there that actually requires some driving skills, but I doubt it.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104982
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax (and mail-order)

In article <1993Apr21.160012.12989@dsd.es.com> bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.130512.147@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>>I'd try it on the VFR, but goddamn Competition Accessories hasn't mailed my
>>order yet.  Hell, it's only been two weeks and I was ordering some pretty
>>bizzare stuff.  Like a clear RF-200 face sheild, and a can of Chain Wax...
>>Bastards.
>
>For what it's worth, I got my can in three days from Chaparral. That's
>UPS ground from CA to UT, YMMV. The stuff seems to work, and it doesn't

I just called them and they said the order went out on the 13th.  They're
putting a UPS tracer on it.  Watch, it'll be waiting for me at home
tonight. :-)

Dean

-- 
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| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104983
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <1r3pbu$k35@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>
>Driving While Impared.  It allows for prosecution of drivers under the
>influence of a variety of drugs.
>
It's a shame there's no law against Driving While Stupid.  After a little
while it would prevent all kinds of accidents.

Dean
-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104984
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Touring the southwest

In article <907F3B3w164w@fatcity.cts.com> kim@fatcity.cts.com (Kim Sharpe) writes:
>A few of us are touring Sothwest Utah in mid June to see the Canyons.\
>Do any of you have some helpful hints on where to stay or
>things to see/do/avoid.  Plans are to see Bryce, Zion, Arches.
>Is the Grand close at that point or is an additional trip required?

Well, it's closer to Bryce than Bryce is to Arches. I'd spend a lot
of time studying the maps, there's a lot of "you can't get there from
here" in that area. You might want to hit the Grand Canyon on the way
up from California, loop around to Canyonlands/Moab/Arches, and then
back down towards Bryce & Zion on the way home.

Make sure you ride US 12 between Capitol Reef and Bryce, it's been on a
number of "top 10 roads" lists.


A nice booklet detailing a lot of interesting paved (Byways) and unpaved
(Backways) roads can be ordered from the Utah Travel Council. I think
you can also get a state map from them just for asking.

Utah Byways and Backways
$4.00 (US)

Utah Travel Council
Council Hall
Capitol Hill
Salt Lake City, UT 84114

(801) 583-1030
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104985
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies 

In article <735660736snz@morgan.demon.co.uk> tony@morgan.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <1993Apr23.164901.13892@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>
>>  When did *you* go out and change the laws of physics? :-)  According to some
>>numbers I used to see bandied around, shaft drive is on the order of 95-97%
>>efficient, while chain drive is closer to 99%...   Seems to me that this makes
>>*chain* drive more efficient, hmmmmm???
>
>Well maintained chains, running in oil, without those little rubber 'O' rings 
>to cause frictional losses, might reach 99% efficiency.  The average open to 
>the dust 'O' ring motorcycle chain probably has a difficult job making 90% 
>efficient.

How about some sources for all these numbers? Or is this more stuff that
"everybody knows"?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104986
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)

karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:

>That's a twin-cam, right?  

Yep...I think it's the only CB750 with a 630 chain.
After 14 years, it's finally stretching into the "replace" zone.

>Honda 750s don't have the widest of power bands.

<Sigh> I know .... I know.
-- 
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 722 POT U o'Ky    .__,-'    *    \   of the blue           cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104987
From: eerik@iastate.edu (Eerik J. Villberg)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In <Stafford-200493103434@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:

>>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:
>>  Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

>	Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front.
> See, it just HOPS into the air!  Figure.

   I know the roads up there in Minnesota are pretty bad, but I doubt that
they are THAT bad.  I've never realy tried to watch my back tyre but, my 82
Maxim 750 will pull the front wheel off the ground if I pop the clutch.
Admittedly, it is easier with someone on back, maybe that's what keeps the
rear tyre down.  ;-)
  
>====================================================
>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
>                    All standard disclaimers apply.
-- 
Eerik J. Villberg                     **  P people for the
eerik@iastate.edu                     **  E eating of
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104988
From: ae219rh@prism.gatech.EDU (Ray Hixon)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <tcora-210493093955@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:
>jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) wrote:
>> 
>> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
>> >hello there
>> >can anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>> >comment on its handling .
>> (Vmax racing horror story deleted) 
>>    Portland International Raceway is now 2-for-2 on V-Max'es.
>> 
>>    V-Max - handling?  Ferget it.

Actually, a WERA racer, William Lumsden, considered running a Vmax in 
A Superstock.  He took it out to Talladega GPR for a practice day, and
_really_ annoyed the 600 riders -- they usually got caught behind a 
sideways Vmax in the corners, and if they passed him going in, he'd
blow by down the straight (usually wobbling).  Needless to say, since
he was 2 seconds faster on a 1977 CB400F, he decided against the Vmax.

Too bad.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Ray Hixon
WERA #623 Expert
a Single-minded guy


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104989
From: CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras)
Subject: Re: Help me adjust my tappits

sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Matthew Sheppard) writes:

>All our local 'experts' say it's the tappits that need some adjusting so
>I am soon to attempt that.  I would like any advice anyone had. 

If this is the same as adjusting the shims between cam and valve, I have
the same question.  Do you buy a FULL set of shims before starting the
adjustment process, or do you calculate the shims you need and then run
off to the dealer in the cage to see if the right shims are in stock? 
Obviously the latter would be cheaper (what do shims cost?), but are
measurements of the shim need reliable enough to buy only the indicated shims?

Chris
-- 
*******************************************************************
Christopher G. Karras
Internet:    CGKarras@world.std.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104990
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: DoD Confessional

In article <1993Apr21.053721.551@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>I can't help myself.
>I've tried to be rational, 
>to look the other way,
>but everytime it happens, 
>its uncontrollable.
>
>I hate pre'80s motorcycles.

Hah.  Newbie bait.  Everyone knows the first motorcycle
wasn't built until 1893 - there _were_ no pre-'80's motorcycles!

>At first I thought it was a phase.  I though I would
>get used to them.  It didn't happen.  I tried gazing
>at CB750s and 900 customs, but each time I sadistically
>pictured them being hurled off of large precipice
>(I also picture a swarm of german tourists cheering and
>taking holiday snaps, but I can't figure that part out).

You've been watching too much Northern Exposure.

>What am I to do?  Everytime I read a .sig containing 
>some spoked wheel wonder, I shudder and feel pity that
>the poor soul has suffered enough.

Why?  Because our wheels are repairable?

> I imagine the owner
>scrapping out his (or her) living in a discarded Maytag
>refridgerator box, tucked in next to their CX500.

Humph.  Obviously, more bait.  Everyone knows you don't discard
Maytag boxes.  Even after they've become uninhabitable, they're
make a great poor boy's mechanic's creeper.

CX500?  Whazzat?

>I'm hoping for some deliverance.

Okay.  Let's hear you squeal like a pig.

> I had in the past loathed
>the Milwaukee machine, but I can actually begin to understand
>some of the preaching.  There must be hope. 

Beware fanatical preaching, lest the residents of Waco, Texas set up
a huge salad bar in your honor...
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104991
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: MOA members, another letter to read!

In article <1993Apr21.152413.24023@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
>O.K. MOA'ers, You read it, think for yourself, I trust you do know who
>Cecil King is, and that he was Editor befor Don Douglass, and he is
>a pres. candidate.  I let you draw your own conclusions.

I don't know who either is, but I think I see your problem.

You've got Cecil King and Don Douglass.  What you need is Don King
and Cecil Adams.


Or maybe Rodney King and Beanie & Cecil?


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 104999
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago)
Subject: Black Reflector Tape?

A few months ago, in one the the motorcycle mags, there was
an article that mentioned reflector tape that was supposed to
be available thru BMW.  The idea was that the tape would look
black in sunlight, and reflect in other colors at night to
headlights.  It sounded like a nice way to add nighttime 
visibility without turning the bike into a carnival attraction.

I talked to the local BMW dealer about this.  I was told that the 
only thing he had heard about this kind of reflector, was it being 
used in a coming line of BMW clothing (rainsuits).  He wasn't aware 
of anything regarding self applied tape.

Has anyone come across this from BMW or any other source?

Thanks,

---
Steve Bunis,  Sun Microsystems     ***DoD #0795***	93-ST1100
              Itasca, IL	  ***AMA #682049***	78-KZ650


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105000
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)

xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
: Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
: 

	Yes. 

 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                  AFM #422                              DoD #683 

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours  *  1990 Ninja 250 
       
      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105001
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <24590@drutx.ATT.COM> pms@torreys.att.com (Paul M. Smith) writes:
>In article <RMUGELE.93Apr21062229@oasun1.oracle.com> rmugele@oracle.com (Robert Mugele) writes:
>>
>>I've tried unsuccessfully to locate a place that sells Maxima Chain
>>Wax in the Dallas area.  Does anyone know of a retail outlet for it in
>>this area or a mail order purveyor anywhere?
In the Dallas area, I just bought a can (it's for my best friend's bike... a
1986 XLH883, mines got a belt hahahahaha!!!) for $6.79 ($7.35 with tax) at
Bates Discount Cycle Parts on the southbound I-35E service road in Farmers
Branch just a couple miles north of the I-635/I-35E interchange. They have
about a dozen cans left.

-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
	      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105002
From: jgoss@gaia.torolab.ibm.com (Jeff Goss)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

In article <1993Apr21.163118.29571@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:

<Stuff deleted>
> 
>    Questions to ask a typical cop:
> =====================================
> 
> A]  In regards to pulling over someone of a MINOR moving violation
>     (rolling stop, unsignaled lane change, 10ish mph over speed limit,etc.):

MINOR? You put unsignalled lane change in a MINOR category? Now I know
who these guys are...

Jeff Goss

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105008
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <735660736snz@morgan.demon.co.uk>, tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) writes:
> 
> Well maintained chains, running in oil, without those little rubber 'O' rings 
> to cause frictional losses, might reach 99% efficiency.  The average open to 
> the dust 'O' ring motorcycle chain probably has a difficult job making 90% 
> efficient.

So of the 120 hp produced by my FJ1100 engine, 

      12 hp  * (745.7 watts)/1 hp = 8.948 kilowatts 

is being dumped into 220 leetle tiny o-rings?  That's 40.67 watts per
o-ring!  Seems a little *hot*, doncha think?

:-O
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105009
From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion


>One of the reasons I originally liked my current guythingy so much was
>becase he had a BMW. :)

Sigh.   That's music to my ears, after all the complaining Lois did
about the seat on my BMW...

>The best passengers are those which are unobtrusive.  Echo the movements
>and lean of your rider.  Look over the shoulder thats most comfortable,
>but during turns look over the shoulder on the inside of the turn.

I've found that the phrase "sack of potatoes" works pretty well in
describing to a passenger how s/he should act.

>Switch your hands to the guardrail to stretch your shoulders, but be 
>sure and squeeze your thighs while you're doing it so your rider knows you're
>still there. :)  The guard rail isn't as safe as holding onto your rider.

On a long ride with my ex-girlfriend Nancy, I would notice her
drifting off every so often (we were droning down highway 101 to LA).
I probably wouldn't have been aware of this if she hadn't been in the
habit of squeezing my butt with her knees to hold on.   Good advice.

			       _MelloN_
--
mellon@ncd.com						uunet!lupine!mellon
Member of the League for Programming Freedom.   To find out how software
patents may cost you your right to program, contact lpf@uunet.uu.net

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105010
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Yamaha Locks (was Cobra Lock)

In article <1993Apr21.152327.7651@hemlock.cray.com>, ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:
|> Has anyone any experience with the (new?) Yamaha Cyclelok ?

Oooo,I hope it's nothing like I had on my Seca turbo.
I had locked up the back wheel and forgot about it.
When I took off I heard a 'clunk', but I just drove away
leaving the lock broken on the ground.  Real security
in action.

-- 
===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105011
From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Subject: Re: Help me adjust my tappits

Christopher G Karras (CGKarras@world.std.com) wrote:
& 
& If this is the same as adjusting the shims between cam and valve, I have
& the same question.  Do you buy a FULL set of shims before starting the
& adjustment process, or do you calculate the shims you need and then run
& off to the dealer in the cage to see if the right shims are in stock? 
& Obviously the latter would be cheaper (what do shims cost?), but are
& measurements of the shim need reliable enough to buy only the indicated shims?

Only buy what you need.  It would cost a lot to buy a full set, and
you won't ever use most of them.  I have had good luck with the
calculation method.  I have never had to change more than one size
increment at a time (I never needed a change larger than the next
size up/down, usually down).  They cost a few $ each for a Yamaha.

--
Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@sad.hp.com    (707) 794-4168 work,
Hewlett Packard             (707) 794-3844 fax,  (707) 538-3693 home
1212 Valley House Drive     IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG, LAW, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105012
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <222834@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com> maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> 
> Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going, 
>nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
> 
> 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when 
>you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. 

Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
but I've never actually done it.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Let's see how many posts it takes for someone to selectively quote this article

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105022
From: cassidy@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <arturo.735339956@infmx> arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega) writes:
>
>Has anyone else ever caught themselves waving at oncoming motorcycle riders
>while in a car?
>
ha! if i'm not on my bike, it's because its _broken_ and i'm _walkin_. (
really the way it should be)

--
kyle cassidy
cassidy@rowan.edu	"fire all of your guns at once!"
DoD #760

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105023
From: cassidy@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <csundh30.735325668@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:
>
>I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.
>
man, every time this thread comes up, i start jumping up and down screaming '
EASY WHEELS! EASY WHEELS!' but to date, it seems like _i'm_ the only one who'
s ever seen this. it's absolutely hysterical. basic plot is this:

reporter searching for a ring of babysnatchers is blow off the road by a (
very hot) gang of babe bikers in leather. he is rescued from his wrecked car 
in the desert by a xtian gospal biker band lead by an ex viet-nam vet with a 
steel plate in his head that gives him visions from time to time. they soon 
discover that the gang 'o babes is kidnapping children to be raised by 
wolves (the reasoning behind this is complex), and they set out to stop them 
and restore justice and order to the world.

it is one of the 5 funniest movies i have ever seen in my life.

--
kyle cassidy
cassidy@rowan.edu	"fire all of your guns at once!"
DoD #760

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105039
From: aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr)
Subject: Re: Female (40's) looking for riding buddy!


In a previous article, deb90@ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin) says:

>
>I am a single, white female in 40s, looking for a
>man with a motorcycle to share fun
>trips from 1 to 6 days (or more).
>
>I have a Honda Magna 700 and riding is my LIFE but
>it's hard to find people to ride with. 
>
>This is my son's account, so please respond to this
>address for more info.
>(phone number, etc.)
>
>Thanks!
>
>-- 
>
>
>I don't need a .sig.
>
You don't mention your riding area.  If you're in the Eastern part
of Ontario Canada, I may be able to help.  I love 1 day runs and
more.  More info needed.
-- 
 Lloyd        | '86 XV1100 ---- My Stallion... DoD # - 814
  Carr        |       : aa963@freenet.carleton.ca
   Munster    | E-Mail: carr@uranus.dgrc.doc.ca
     Ontario  | Ham ip: ve3fhc@ve3osq.#eon.on.ca.na

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105043
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <1993Apr23.163805.9516@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>
>	Spray the chain wax onto the rollers and sideplates occassionally, and
>rust will not be a problem.

	I did.  Regularly.  And it was.

				Michael

-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105044
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: I NEED YOUR ADVICE! (I'm a new rider)

>Any information that ANY of you could give me would be greatly
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^      ^^^                               ^^^^^^^
>appreciated!!!!  Just send the reply to my account, or if you'd like,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>back to the net.  
>Chris Melching
>
>00CJMELCHING@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU

My vivid imagination sez this is almost close enuff.

$mail_to 00cjmelching@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu /users/neal/dod/faq.dod

but...... naw!!!

-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
	      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105045
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <13790@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>In article <C5wDuw.L1o@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil> dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small) writes:
>>In article <13608@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:

[stuff deleted]

Oh my, a REAL honest-to-goodness flamewar fired up here..... and it even has
some relevance to motorcycling. Amazing.
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
	      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105046
From: arun@ece.scarolina.edu (Arun Vadlamani)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

	What about GREASE II?????

	Arun.
	Cool Rider.

--
	Noe there's a look in your eyes,
	Like black holes in the sky.
	Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105047
From: wfk@lynx.spa.umn.edu (Bill Ketzeback)
Subject: Re: Yamaha Locks (was Cobra Lock)

Any lock including the Kyptonite utypes are EASY to break into if the person has
the proper supplies and/or motivation. 3 minutes and your bike is gone!
I would be glad to explain but I dont want to contribute to any unlawful
activities. Especially since I have a bike that I would hate to see ripped off
by such a trival tactic. WARNING NO lock alone is a safe deterent against theft,
the thief doesnt need to be a locksmith or a lock-picker to walk away with your
property!  I personally think motion alarms in combination to a lock
of this type is the way to go if in fact you are that concerned.

Bill


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105048
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes:

>The down side is that when I'm in my cage, I have on numerous occasions
>slammed my hand into the rolled up window in an effort to wave at
>a passing biker.  Ow.

Shouldn't this be in the DWI thread?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105049
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Subject: Re: dogs

heathman@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michael Heathman) writes:

>	Professionals who train guard dogs, when polled, gave themselves a
>1 in 4 chance of survival tackling a trained dog unarmed.  A trained guard
>dog is not to be trifled with.  An untrained mutt may be another story.

Of course *they'd* say that.  They're trying to sell their services.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105050
From: v058l789@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I AM the Nighthawk)
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <1993Apr21.185741.15458@colorado.edu>, laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes...
>In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) writes:
>|> 
>|> Various posts about shafties can't do wheelies:
>|> 
>|> >: > No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
>|> >: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
>|> >: > off the ground
>|> >
>|> >Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my
>|> >BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and
>|> >you know what? He was right!
>|> 
>|> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
>|> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!
> 
>you may have been able to bounce the front up but not
>actually do a "wheelie". see the shaft effect unloads
>the rear susspension and effectivly loads the front.
>this is why a shaft bike should accelerate if it starts
>scraping in a corner......
> 
> 
>laz

	Sorry to be contradictory, but... I've had my Nighthawk at 45 degress
with the horizon and I wasn't banked over in a turn...  
	The hard part is getting the front in off the ground.  I rev to about 
7,000 at DROP the clutch.   Even harder is keeping it from coming up to far--
I use the back brake as well as the throttle.  Once its up, it'll wheelie just
like any other bike.      

					Ethan
+==============================================================================+
| Ethan Bowerman    		DoD# 682                1983 CB650SC Nighthawk |
|    -- "Hey... who cuts yer' hair man?"    __ "Nothing clears the mind quite  |
|			-- Cheech and Chong     like a maxed out tach and a    |
|    -- "A closed mouth contains no feet."      buried speedometer."	       |
|			-- Unknown				-- Me	       |
+==============================================================================+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105051
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>
>	What does "DWI" stand for ? 

Dancing With Idjits.



-- 
Ray Shea    		 "they wound like a very effective method."
UniSQL, Inc.		                                 --Leah
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu                   some days i miss d. boon real bad. 
DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT     

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105052
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: Bike advice


Ummm...did you have any bikes other than that KX80? If not, I'd suggest you 
look for an '89 ZX-7, since they only have about 90 horsepower, whereas the
'90 has over 100 and might be a bit much for you...

Sincerely,
Nathaniel

ZX-10 
DoD 0812
AMA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105053
From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)
Subject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for MC B

In article <5967@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
>In article <1993Apr12.223911.11008@rtsg.mot.com>, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>> 
>> Oh, banning motorcycles is not *actually* reasonable.  It is only
>> reasonable in the eyes of a misinformed and misunderstanding public.
>> 
>> Or, conversely, your attitude could seem blind and apathetic.
>> 
>
>I know of no law, either on the books or proposed, that bans motorcycles
>from any place that i want to go to.
>

Motorcycles are not allowed on th 17 mile drive at pebble Beach.

			Jolly Roger



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105054
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: "Cagers"  who thunk of it?

In article <1993Apr24.014245.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
>	Who gets credit for the perfectly descriptive name "cagers"?  Also does
>anybody know when the term was first used.
>					Thanks
>
I do.
Yesterday.

Seriously, Countess Ada of Lovelace gets the credit.  She first used
it in the late 80s.  Her bike:  the spokeless wonder.


Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105060
From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Assorted Ranting


 
 Grr. Hate the bastard who picked the weather for today.
 
 Went up to visit a friend overnight (about 45 minute ride).. rode up after 
work, only minor drizzing for the last 5 minutes of the ride... rest of the 
ride was very zen.
 
 Got up this morning, needed to go home and get some disks & stuff to work 
on her computers with, rainy as all hell. Soaked and cold by the time I got 
home.
 
 Since I didn't have another set of thermals which were dry, I said "to heck 
with it" and drove my cage back up.
 
 Lo and Behold, those funny blue clouds were up in the sky and this warm 
yellow thing I haven't seen in quite awhile showed up when I was 10 minutes 
into the trip.
 
 And me in my cage. Oh JOY.
 
 
 Happily, my right hand mirror finally showed up at the dealer (dropped the 
bike when I first got it, put on an EMGO replacement mirror... hated it the 
entire time that thing was on my bike because I couldn't see a DAMNED thing 
through it, plus it's flat instead of convex like the stock mirrors, so you 
get a NARROW ANGLE wobbly blur)... And I got a replacement windshield for my 
fairing (dropped the original and chipped the front edge... cosmetic but 
annoying)... so I spent half an hour happily unscrewing things and replacing 
them this afternoon.
 
 'Bout the only thing I still hate about the bike ('75 CB360T) is the damned 
"2 D-Cell Flashlight" headlight.
 
 Has anyone seen a good source for ~25 watt halogen passing lights? Since 
the charging system on the CB360T can't handle continuous use of a 50W 
halogen headlight, I was thinking about putting a couple passing lights 
on... that would give me ~70w of lighting for the rare night riding I do, 
but wouldn't drain the battery during "normal use" (chiefly day trips and 
commuting to work and back)... 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105061
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Mike Terry) asks:
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) replies:
>No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
>of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
>off the ground.

Ugh!  Who gave you guys your login names?  Blech  |^P

John obviously never saw me ride a buddy's CX500, known as "Torque Monster."
I could pull the most beautiful skyshots with that bike!  Unfortunately, the
owner saw me do one.  Once.  I never get to ride TM again...  ;^(

Mr. Bill
-- 
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 +   '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago"   +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+  DoD AMA ICOA NIA  + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105062
From: rye@mahogany209.cray.com (James K. Rye)
Subject: Re: where to put your helmet


In article <1993Apr21.195738.2403@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
> In article <10498.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
> >
> >Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). 
> 
> This dents and dings the liner, sometimes quite a bit.
> 
> I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
>      got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
>                          ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada


It also works great to put under your kickstand on those really hot
days when the tar gets really soft.....


================================================================================
                        
Jim "rags" Rye                    Senior Technical Support Analyst
86 Harley Davidson                     rye@crayamid.cray.com
                                    Cray Research Inc, Mpls, MN.

"If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry for 
 tomorrow morning, sleep late."
              -Henny Youngman

My opinions are mine and only mine, but for a small fee you may rent them.



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105063
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

C'mon you guys.  
Motorcycles & booze don't mix. 
Nuff said.
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105064
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <1993Apr19.013752.22843@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>         On a completely different tack, what was the eventual outcome of
> Babe vs. the Bad-Mouthed Biker?

I thought I posted this last year.

The women came to court with three witnesses; the two women that were in
the car and one neighbor that heard me shouting.  My lawyer didn't like
the odds since there were multiple complaints both ways and the judge had
a history of finding everyone guilty of at least something, so he convinced
us (she came without a lawyer) to drop everything.  The net result was
a $500 laywer bill for me and $35 court costs for her.

The only consolation was that she had trouble scraping together the $35
while $500 is not quite one week's beer money for me...

- Roid

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105065
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com>, hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
> >duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>        ^^^^^^
>     excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.

edu-breaths with more riceburner than brain...

- Roid

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105066
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:

>Some potentially cool story stuff here... Do share the details.

	HOW TO GET A VERBAL WARNING FOR 146 IN A 55

It's simple.  First, it has to be the first really nice riding day
of spring.  The bike is back together again, and so are you.  Grab
all your gear, put it on, and fill the tank with 94 octane premium
or better.  Head out.

	In Ames, there is a road that leads to the little town of
Gilbert.  Gilbert has one stop light, if that tells you something.
Having just gotten the bike back together, I thought I'd take it
for a short ride and check things out.  Heading out of town, I
went into the twisties at a slow pace, just under the speed limit,
and started leaning around.  The pace quickened as everything felt
just right.  Finally, the road straightened and I was ready for a
bit of speed.  Grab third gear, open her up.  At roughly 90mph
grab fourth gear.  Look at as much of the bike as you can, and fail
to notice a state trooper following a quarter mile behind.  Twist
the throttle like a fool, grab fifth gear at 130 or so, and see
just how well she's been put back together.

	At 146 (according to radar) I noticed the front fender was
flexing a bit.  Thus, I slowed, pulled off the road, removed my
helmet and gloves, unslung the took kit I was carrying in a fanny
pack, and was just starting to tighten that fender when the trooper
pulled in all hot and flustered.

	"Have you *ANY* idea how fast you were going?"
"Not precisely, no.  I was paying attention to the bike and road,
not the instruments.  I just got her back together last night, and
I'm just out here testing her out before I ride it in traffic."
	"My radar says you were at over 145mph.  Care to tell me why
I shouldn't give you a ticket?"
"Because I was testing the motorcycle away from population and
traffic, on a strait and flat road, while wearing all the protective
gear that safety demands?" (note: I wasn't quite that eloquent)
	"Say, what kind of bike is that, anyway?"
<I was eloquent on my cafe racer replica Honda 750, a Rat Bike>
	"Yeah, I haven't had my bike out of the garage in years."
<compare riding stories>
<pack toolkit, having tightened that fender>
	"So why were you out here?"
"I figure every other idiot on the road is going to look right through
me.  If the bike fails somehow in a 35mph zone, I'm dead.  If it holds
up out here, then I know it will work right in traffic.  I do this
evvery year when I rebuild her."
	"Not any more.  You'll find a better place than *my* highway
to do those speeds.  If I *ever* catch you speeding on my highway
again I'm going to nail you for everything I possibly can.  Now get
out of my sight before I write you a ticket."
"Yes, officer."
	"And kid, keep your eyes open out there..." <drives off>

	And that, in a nut-shell, is how to get a warning for 146 in a 55.
I don't guarantee that it will work for you, but it worked for me.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105067
From: v058l789@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (I AM the Nighthawk)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

>Course, the only people who seem to be acting smug now probably have chain
>final drive (which, as we all know, is less efficient and has higher 
} maintenance) and probably didn't know the answer at the start of the thread.
> 
>Anyway, I have Laz's solemn assurance that he/she/it was serious with the 'only
>paralevers can pull "true" wheelies' assertion, whatever the hell that means.
> 
>Doug Rinckes   drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp   New Zealand TSSC Ltd
>1976 BMW R100S           1960 BMW R60            1940 Indian 741A       

	Uh, Doug, I don't know what school of thought your from, but chain 
drive are MUCH more efficient than shafties.  End of story.  Period.
	But I will give you that shafties are much less maintenance intensive...


						Ethan

+==============================================================================+
| Ethan Bowerman    		DoD# 682                1983 CB650SC Nighthawk |
|    -- "Hey... who cuts yer' hair man?"    __ "Nothing clears the mind quite  |
|			-- Cheech and Chong     like a maxed out tach and a    |
|    -- "A closed mouth contains no feet."      buried speedometer."	       |
|			-- Unknown				-- Me	       |
+==============================================================================+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105069
From: dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

In article <1993Apr20.203344.8417@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
>In article <Clarke.6.735328328@bdrc.bd.com> Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) writes:
>>So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in left 
>>hand, Camel cigarette in the right, no feet allowed.) 
>
>>If I lean, and the 
>>bike turns, am I countersteering?
>
>No, the bars would turn only *toward* the direction of turn in
>no-hands steering.

Just in case the original poster was looking for a serious answer,
I'll supply one.

Yes, even when steering no hands you do something quite similar
to countersteering.  Basically to turn left, you to a quick wiggle
of the bike to the right first, causing a counteracting lean to
occur to the left.  It is a lot more difficult to do on a motorcycle
than a bicycle though, because of the extra weight.  (Ok, so my
motorcycle is heavy.  Maybe yous isn't.)

-David

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105077
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18

Re: Rubbing Compound....


You mean Meguire's* didn't work?



* THE DOD magic elixir of choice for plastic stuff


Ron Miller
DoD 693

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105078
From: patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us wrote:
> I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
> This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
> (read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
> fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).
 
> This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
> of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?

My fiancee' and I do quite a bit of sporty riding 2-up.  I'll tell you 
what we've found and the systems we've worked out.

- On starts, accelerate MUCH slower than usual.  It's tough for the rider
to judge how scary fast acceleration is, because we're holding onto something
and leaning forward.  Remember this.

- On turns, have her lean forward and at the same angle as you (normally 
this means she isn't leaning at all.)  It's very disconcerting to be leaned
over and have your passenger leaning so that they're sitting straight up.
Much balance is lost and this can be dangerous.

- On slowing and stopping, do so MUCH slower than usual.  Again, it's tough 
for the rider to judge how scary fast deceleration is, because we're holding 
onto something and leaning forward.  However, you'll figure it out fast
because braking too fast will shove the passenger forward into you, which 
shoves you into the tank at an inopportune location.

- Generally, have the passenger keep her knees against you and the bike, not 
out wide.  This helps balance and gives her somegrip.

- When you passenger is in fear, she will squeeze her knees against you.
Normally this means "slow down, and do it now!".  


> turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional
> signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???

We only have a couple signals.  "Slow down" is her either tapping me on 
the back, or slapping my helmet with all her might.  Depends on the urgency
of the matter :-)

"Turn here" is done by her pointing in the direction of an exit.  This is
also the sign for "cool!  Look at that."  "I hafta pee" is the same sign
as "turn here".  "I'm hungry" is the same sign.  "Go faster" is usually
done by her jumping up and down on her pegs in glee.  I usually see "slow
down" more often than "go faster".
 
> I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that
> she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated...

The best thing to do before the ride is to talk to a riding buddy, and 
pillion on his or her bike.  It's incredibly frustrating, because you're 
in almost no control.  Now, multiply that feeling times ten, because
you as a rider know what your bike will do, and your passenger will likely
feel you're about to scrape hard parts all the time, or lock up the brakes
at any moment, or go careening off the edge of a volcanic mountain, etc.  
Pillioning yourself is good training to take somebody on your pillion pad.

Also, remember that it's much more draining and tiring to ride 2-up
than by yourself, because you're concentrating on much more, and
"in the Zen of the moment" less.  Remember this.

----------------------------------------------------
   Pat Loughery [patlo@microsoft.com] Seattle, WA
	 DoD #393, AMA, VME, DIOC, 1KSI=2.53
 '91 VFR750F, '91 Nighthawk 750, '82 Seca 650 Turbo
		^^^ For Sale
----------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105079
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
}I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
}This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
}(read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
}fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).

Unless she is really adventurous, do NOT take her on this route for her
first extended ride! That's kinda like taking someone on a no-show 10-way
speed star competition as their first skydive.

}This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
}of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
}I want her to hold onto me  :-)   rather than the grab rail out back, and
}I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
}turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional

1) If the Ninja has adjustable suspension, adjust it to a stiffer
setting so you don't bottom out in bumpy curves.

2) Tell her the 3 cardinal rules are:

a) NEVER EVER EVER EVER put her feet down. Not when you stop at a STOP
sign, not when she thinks you're gonna crash, never. Keep them on the
pegs until you tell her to get off the bike.

b) She is to hold onto your waist. She should hold on tightly enough
that she won't slide off the bike if you twist the throttle a bit. And
(added bonus for you here), she should keep as close to your butt as
possible so quick stops don't make her slide into you and knock your
balls up onto the gas tank. You decide how best to word this.

c) Just stay perpendicular to the bike; straight up in the seat. Don't
lean your body into curves, just go with the bike and stay perpendicular.
Don't look over your shoulder.*

3) Remember at all times that you have a passenger on the back. That
means don't pop the clutch, and try to corner and stop smoother than
usual. Be aware that if you jump on the brake, you're going to have
the equivalent of a 100 lb. dead weight crashing into you from behind,
so be prepared for that.

4) Make sure she pisses before the ride even if she says she doesn't
have to go. No anti-women stuff here; I have a tiny bladder myself.

5) Remind her to look around while you're riding. Point to things
of interest. It makes the ride more enjoyable to her (she won't get
so focused on just looking at the back of your helmet), and it gives
her ample excuse to squeeze you to show she saw what you pointed at.

* My wife and I tried the MSF-recommended "look over the rider's
shoulder in curves" bit, and it just didn't work. The timing of
her weight shift was unpredictable (especially on the Maxim because,
unlike the Ninja, the upright riding position really restricts the
pillion's view of the road ahead). Next time I had her just remain
perpendicular to the bike, and I could hardly tell there was someone
else on the bike in curves, and she weighs substantially over 100 lbs.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105094
From: Mike Mychalkiw <ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks

Greetings netters,

Steve writes ... <about Cobra Locks>

Well I have the mother of all locks. On Friday the 16th of April I took
possesion of a 12' Cobra Links lock, 1" diameter. This was a special order.

I weighs a lot. I had to carry it home and it was digging into my shoulder
after about two blocks.

I have currently a Kryptonite Rock Lock through the front wheel, a HD
padlock for the steering lock, a Master padlock to lock the cover to two
front spokes, and the Cobra Links through the rear swing arm and around a
post in an underground parking garage.

Next Friday the 30th I have an appointment to have an alarm installed on
me bike.

When I travel the Cobra Links and the cover and padlock stay at home.

By the way. I also removed the plastic mesh that is on the Cobra Links
and encased the lock from end to end using bicycle inner tubes (two of
them) I got the from bicycle dealer that sold me the Cobra Links. The
guys were really great and didn't mark up the price of the lock much
and the inner tubes were free.

Later.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1992 FXSTC                            Rock 'N Roll Mike Mychalkiw
HOG                                   Ryerson Polytechnical Institute -
DoD #665 Just THIS side of HELL.      Academic Computing Information Centre
doh #0000000667 Just the OTHER side.  EMAIL : ACAD8059@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105095
From: exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Subject: extraordinary footpeg engineering

Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !

Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there
was a slight difference-  a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension
to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very
tangible "thunk".  I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. 
My bike is a Kawasaki GPX250R with footpegs that are hinged and sprung such
that they fold upward and backward on contact with ground etc., and on the
lower extreme corner of each peg there is mounted a "bank-follower", or a
little stud that theoretically is the first bit to hit the ground in a
100%-banked turn.  The stud is mounted on the footpeg by a threaded bit about 7
mm long, which screws into a threaded hole in the footpeg.  Now for the
mystery.

The stud on the side of the bike that clunked when I turned was absent.  I'm
fairly sure it was there before the event.  There was no damage to the end of
the footpeg where the stud would ordinarily have been.  In fact, the thread in
the hole in the footpeg was perfectly intact, with no evidence of something
having been forcefully ripped out of it only moments previously.  

Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ?  How can you
rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without
damaging the thread in the hole ?  Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo
that Kawasaki never mentioned, like that the end of the footpeg suddenly
changes phase on impact, to let the stud rip out, then changes back to a solid
?  I'm quite amazed at how this could have happened.  In the meantime, life
goes on, without a left-hand bank-follower.

Barry Manor DoD# 620 confused accidental peg-scraper

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105096
From: s851708@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (John Edmond Auckett)
Subject: Re: Dogs vs. Bikes

Dogs will chase anything that moves. I have two dogs and they love
chasing me when I ride off. They will also chase any car that passes
, running along the footpath/sidewalk at up to 60kph. They don't
seem to go after trucks though, the size difference must be a factor.

It also works in my favour though, I can exercise them quite easily
by riding 1/2 mile up the road and back a few times. 


JA (s851708@minyos.rmit.oz.au)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105097
From: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky)
Subject: Kawasaki ZX-6 engine needed

I'm looking for a 1990-91 Kawasaki ZX-6 engine.  Just the engine,
no intake, exhaust, ignition, etc.  Preferably in the central texas
area, but we haven't had much luck around here so we'll take whatever we
can get.  Please reply via mail or call (512) 471-5399 if you have one
(or more...  really need a spare).

Thanx

-- 
--=< Jonathan Lusky ----- lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >=-- 
    \ "Turbos are nice, but I'd rather be blown!" /
     \    89 Jeep Wrangler - 258/for sale!       / 
      \        79 Rx-7 - 12A/Holley 4bbl        / 
       \________67 Camaro RS - 350/4spd________/ 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105098
From: dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Ha Li)
Subject: Re: Bonding with a Caged Cop?

> akelley@oracle.uucp (Alyn Kelley) writes:

>But as he drove past me, he actually turned all the way around in his
>car seat to see if I had noticed.  I nodded to him, and smiled.
>I can't for the life of me figure out why he was so friendly.

It's the DoD license plate frame; cops really like 'em.  Either that, or
he mistook you for one of his friends, possibly an off-duty cop.

-Dave

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	"I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle"

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105099
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES


Knight Riders has got to be one of the silliest
movies I've ever seen.

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105100
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <1993Apr21.194547.2266@rd.hydro.on.ca>, 
jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:

|> Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
|> but I've never actually done it.

I did it once with a biker-girlfriend in the
car, and she told me that I was stupid, the
rider wouldn't know why I was waving.

...She's long gone...

|> Let's see how many posts it takes for someone to selectively quote this article

One.

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105101
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Subject: Re: What octane ?

jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
: 	How do you know what kind of gas to buy ? Depending on the compression
: ratio of your engine I heard. Ok, but what kind of gas goes for what kind
: of compression.
: 
: 	I'm asking this because I used to put 87 in my Hawk GT and the other day,
: I changed because I wanted to see if there was a difference. And I don't
: know if I'm being subjective or what, but it seems like the bike runs
: better !
: 
	Run your bike on the lowest octane that it will run smoothly on. 
Higher octane fuel is not "better" than lower octane gas. Pick up the last 
American Roadracing magazine. There's a short article in there about 
octane and the misconceptions many people make about the subject. Look at
your owners manual. I believe it states 87 is just fine. 

 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                  AFM #422                              DoD #683 

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours  *  1990 Ninja 250 
       
      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105102
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Subject: Re: Bra... bra... brazing  (Was: For JOHS@dhhalden.no... )

Old Nick (the little devil!) wibbles:-
%
% Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Another newbie bites the dust, eh?  They'll learn.
%
   Newbie?  Eh?  Slap yer' credentials  on the table, Pete.  That'll  show
   him!

%
% I'm terribly sorry.
%
   And so you damned well should  be...  young whipper-snapper!  It's  wet
   kippers at ten paces if there's any repeat of this sort of thing!

   Now, in keeping with the  grand tradition of wreck.moto, let's  mutate!
   Take your partners by the hand...

   On Tuesday morning I spent a couple of hours (when I -should- have been
   working) with a  torch, brazing bits  of scrap metal  over the  biggest
   holes in  Yamadog's exhaust  pipes (s'mazin'  what you  can do  with  a
   couple of AA  cells and a  three-volt bulb!).   I stuck some  "gun-gum"
   into the smaller holes and bunged the pipes back onto the bike.

   So, last night  I'm on the  way home  when lo' an'  bloody behold,  the
   sodding thing starts  blowing again.   I check  it out and  the gas  is
   escaping from around  the clamp holding  the number two  pipe into  the
   port.  As far as I can see (it being somewhat "hole of Calcutta" at the
   time!), the nuts are still there  (stop that bloody sniggering, you  at
   the back!), but the pipe is a bit loose.

   This morning  I go  out to  the bike  and pull  out the  socket-set  to
   tighten up me' nuts (somebody give that  spotty kid at the back a  good
   slap  round  the  back  of  the  head!),  and  lo'  an'  bloody  behold
   a-bloody-gen, I find that the outer skin of the pipe has separated from
   the inner sleeve right at the clamp-mating bevel.  So, I stuff in a bit
   of baked-beanz can and a bit more of Mr Holts' very best "gun-gum"  and
   come to work (late again!) so that I  can ask of the oracle...  Will  a
   brazed joint hold that close to the exhaust port?  Anybody tried it?

   Oh, and if anybody can tell me  what the differences are between a  205
   and a  207  brazing  rod (made  by  "Gaz"  [Yup!   the  camping  folks.
   Surprised the marmalade outa' me, too!] in that place just off the Isle
   of Wight) I'd be eternally  grateful (twenty-sodding-quid for two  rods
   and I don't even know what I'm buying.  Bloody kanji!).

-- 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105103
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted

In article <1993Apr21.205306.3033@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>The Nelson Rigg bag has 5, and the side ones can be used or not, depending
>on the load. Using just the three is super convenient, and the extra two are
>great for carrying beer concentrate, bricks or reports written by overpaid 
>consultants.

	Quit keeping us in suspense:  who sells this remarkable bag?

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105104
From: jtrascap@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jim Trascapoulos)
Subject: 1982 Yamaha XJ550H Maxim for sale (Denver area)


(message posted by/for roomate)

Bike is in good condition, is black, has 23000 miles, mag wheels, 

front disk, rear drum, good front tire, new back tire, o-ring chain,

new battery, new starter and has that laid back look.  Bike runs

real strong with all four carbs giving their best.  Buyer gets a 

cover (all weather, lockable & heatproof), tank bag (non-magnetic - 

can't take disks along otherwise!), cargo net & manual.  Bike has

origional tool kit & matching Yamaha lock.



Asking $1700 or Best Offer.  I would like to sell this soon, so please

CALL (voice!)(ack!) with any questions!

John Silvia in (303) area - (home) 238-8281   (work) 296-7744


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105105
From: vlj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Victor Johnson)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

In rec.motorcycles, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

> In article <C5sK1D.C1p@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
> }Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
> 
> So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT.
> -- 

  That's because they took the old VT 500 engine and stepped on it to make
  the plant for the Hawk -> "New Twin".  Or does that only fly for Microsoft
  NT (New Technology)?

  I've been at this too long today ...

  Cheers,
  Victor "Dances with Hawks" Johnson
  ----------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105106
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Subject: Re: Re: First Bike?? and Wheelies

In rec.motorcycles, speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:

> Buy an old 250cc dirt bike.  Find a vacant field (get owners permission) and 
> learn the basics.  
...
> When your done sell or trash the bike and move to the street.

Speedy, you've got this all wrong.  When you're done, buy a better dirt
bike, body armor, decent boots, and forget about the weenie street riding.
:-) 

-Jeff Deeney-  DoD#0498    NCTR                '88 XR600-Shamu 
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
Dirt bike riding is perfectly safe; I have the scars to prove it. 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105107
From: britt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Britt Park)
Subject: Power Loss under load of a Honda CB360T

I have a 1974 Honda CB360T which for most of my purposes runs well. 
However I expereince a severe power drop at cruising speeds under load. 
That is, on a mild upgrade @ 50 mph in 4th or 5th I'm lucky if I can
hold speed.  If I try to add throttle much past 5000 rpm, power drops
drastically.  Put simply, under load, the engine won't rev past 5000
rpm.  The top third/half of the throttle range is dead.  Standing still
the engine runs fine up to red line (9-10K).

Other phenomenology: at about the point that power loss kicks in, the
engine becomes a little wavery.  That is, at a steady throttle the
engine speed goes up and down slightly.  The bike has about 13000 miles
on it and is in good tune, at least until it starts to balk.

I would appreciate any suggestions as to what's ailing the poor beast. 
My thoughts run toward clogged jets and/or improper spark advance.  I'm
hoping it's not something more drastic since the bike's not really worth
the hassle of any major engine work.

                                        Thanks,

                                        Britt Park
                                        britt@cb-iris.stanford.edu



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105108
From: jcn@rice.edu (Jeff Nichols)
Subject: Re: Help me adjust my tappits

In article <735486396snz@morgan.demon.co.uk>, tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony
Kidson) wrote:
> 
> In article <jcn-210493180052@lactose.rice.edu> jcn@rice.edu writes:
> 
> >And speaking of shims, why would the clearance of the valves get smaller,
> >i.e.
> >need the use of a thinner shim?
> >
> 
> Valve seat wear?
> 
Okay, okay.  I forgot about that.  Sheeesh.

Jeff Nichols
Rice University

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105109
From: ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu (Allan Hatcher)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1993Apr20.163629.29153@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:
>I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
>several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
>And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious
>things like that.  My questions would not be found in those places nor
>answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop.
>If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc.
>don't bother writing in.  Thanks.
>
> 
>
Well, here goes.  After lurking for a LONG time, I'll announce myself. Yes, I'm
the enemy. The enemy that also happens to ride an "arrest me red" 90 VFR. 
     Bike history:  (as if this endears me to the DoD)
     79 Honda XL 175  "High School"
     85 Kawasaki KLR 600
     84 Honda V65 Sabre "Cornering by Committee"
     88 Honda Hawk GT "Proctologists' designed this bike"
     90 VFR

 I'll entertain questions but my answers will reflect Georgia law and may not   
 apply in your state.  
  
  P.S.  Anyone got a Nomex suit for sale?
    
>



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105110
From: ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu (Allan Hatcher)
Subject: Re: Traffic morons

In article <Stafford-200493133025@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <C5sHD0.LH6@athena.cs.uga.edu>, ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu
>(Allan Hatcher) wrote:
>> 
>
>> You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony.
>
>	I'm not sure that's true.  Let me rephrase; "You can file a complaint
> which will bring the person into court."  As I understand it, a
> "citizens arrest" does not have to be the physical detention of
> the person.
 I think we just found the difference between a citizens arrest (physical 
 detention of a suspect) and a report/warrant.

>
> Better now?
>
>====================================================
>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
>                    All standard disclaimers apply.



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105111
From: kharma@csuohio.edu (Carl J. Santora)
Subject: ****** Test Ignore ******

ignore 



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105112
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: The best of times, the worst of times

In article <txd.735344033@Able.MKT.3Com.Com>, txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
> mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:
> 
> >In <1993Apr20.161357.20354@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
> 
> >>Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 
> 
> >You better check all the screws in that carb before you suck
> >one into a jug and munge a piston, or valve. I've seen it
> >happen before.
> 
> WHAT?!?!? On a MIKUNI??? I'm going through the exploded view of the
> 40mm flatslide on the 'Ol Sport, the 36mm round slide on Spike, and
> the monster on my old Norton in my mind, and I can't, for the life of
> me see a screw in any of them that, if it came loose could get into a
> jug. 

When they explode 'em, all the screws fly away.

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105113
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

In article <1r941o$3tu@menudo.uh.edu> inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:

>I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
>really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

If possible, I split lanes. Even if you don't get all the way to the
head of the line, at least you won't rear-ended. I always worry more when
I'm in the lane, at the front of the line, and no one in behind me. Then you
have to keep an eye on your mirrors. I also get ready to pull a hard right,
*just in case*.

Mike
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105114
From: hamiltoj@CS.ColoState.EDU (j hamilton)
Subject: Re: VFR + ST11 Owners get hidden feature

In article <C61r0B.C7@world.std.com> daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) writes:
>
>Well the actual ergonomics of the switch make it appear to be a
>2 position switch, but sure enough as Deam expected , when
>you balance the toggle switch in the center position both the high
>and low beams go on.
>
>This provides a very nice light coverage of the
>road.
>
>
Hmmmm I noticed sometime ago that I could do the same on my Virago, and
since I don't read many schematics, I didn't really think aobut it too
much.   Yes it does provide excellent coverage, but I figured it would
probably draw a little too much current.  I also figured that it was 
overlapped just to prevent a blank spot of no headlight.  Are you saying 
that these switches are designed for the hi/lo combination?


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|Jay Hamillton                    | XV1000 with more chrome than a Harley|
|hamiltoj@handel.cs.colostate.edu |  Time to change the oil AGAIN?!?!?!? |
|DoD#982  and  KotCM              |                                      |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105115
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Zipper repairs (Was: ...Tankbag...)

In article <carlp.735709605@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:

>>Yep, it works like a charm. I had the same problem after about 7-8 years
>>of constant use, and I was thinking of seeing how much Eclipse would
>>want to install a new zipper. But someone (I think it was Chuck Karish)
>>suggested I try that trick. It took a couple of tries to get the right
>>amount of squish, but it's been fine for about 3 years since I squished
>>it. It should work for any of the nylon-coil type zippers.
>
>OTOH-
>I tried this on my HG Concord jacket Thursday night.  Really, I just
>made a tiny-adjustment type of squeeze.  Really.

Is (was? :-( ) your HG zipper the nylon-coil type or the kind with
molded plastic teeth? I've only tried it on the coiled nylon type, and
it doesn't take much squish to fix the problem. I found I was overdoing
it (no broken parts, but the zipper was too hard to pull) so after
spreading the zipper pull jaws again, I tried with Vice-Grips. No, not
the usual Grip Of Death technique, I adjusted the closed Vice-Grips so
they were snug on the zipper jaws, then released them and tightened the
adjusting screw a bit. A couple of iterations and I had just the right
amount of Zipper Squish (TM).

>Result: I now know that noplace in Spokane will even _consider_ trying
>to repair a broken zipper-closer-thingy, which must be a $0.30 part
>which needs a $20 tool to install.

I've had two zipper pulls fail on my Aerostich suit (actually on the
Accessory Ellipse), and they sent me a few replacement pulls free of
charge. I don't know what brand of zippers HG uses, but parts ARE
available for YKK's plastic zippers. Replacement was pretty simple, just
break and remove the plastic knob at the top of the zipper that keeps
the pull from coming off the top end. Slide on the new zipper pull. Then
crimp on (Vice-Grips again!) a replacement zipper stop.

You might try fabric stores & such and see if they sell replacement
parts.

Oh, for what it's worth, the coil-type zippers on the Eclipse tankbag
are also YKK.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105116
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
> In article <C5pntM.8Co@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
> 
> >This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
> >a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
> >I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
> >dog or one that's really, *really* stupid.  A large Irish Setter taught me
> >this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day.  I'm sure he was playing 
> >a game with me.  The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before 
> >He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.
> 
> What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?

We were having a problem with instability in the universal gravitational
constant that day:  the closer I got to those exposed fangs (still dripping,
no doubt, with the viscera of the last foolhardy experimenter cum canine
psychology) the bigger and heavier the dog appeared to become.  Also, 
recall that the distribution of the ~150lb is one five pound jaw+teeth 
operated by two 70lb muscles driven by a .005 ounce brain possessing an
instinctual heuristic composed of equal parts of bloodlust and ravening hunger.
The other ~5 lb is, of course, dog poop, but that varies all over the place 
as the dog deposits it regularly on the painstakingly manicured and tended 
lawns of the dog's owner's neighbors (whilst continuously replenishing its
inexhaustible supply, no doubt by consuming the likes of folks like me).

> You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
> off!

My very thought at the time, but as I looked down at these once formidable 
instruments of mayhem, I realized they had become weak and atrophied by too
many sedentary hours tapping away at my ergonomically-correct CRT keyboard.
There was only one option left: I reached down to the toolbox near my
car and grasped my Craftsman 150 ft-lb torque wrench, surely the bludgeon
of dire necessity if ever there was one.  To my amazement and
confusion, the setter started shaking and rolling on the grass, then leapt
to its feet and vanished down the street, still quivering and occasionally 
looking back at me.  

"Seven at One Blow!" I exclaimed, flexing my new-found biceps and brandishing
my Terrible Weapon of Invincibility as I stalked the now-secure environs
of my domicile.  It was only later that I found out what the dog apparently
knew all along: the wrench was defective, would no longer measure torque
accurately, and Sears wouldn't fix it or replace it.  What I had interpreted
as fear and subservience were in fact unmitigated hilarity and contempt.

> Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
> we have *all* the advantages.

Exactly: nobody can look quite as silly as we can.

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105117
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question?

In article <mjs.735395430@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk>, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
> lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
> 
> >The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among
> >the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study.
> 
> >The "average rider" does not identify that countersteering alone
> >provides the primary input to effect motorcycle lean by themselves,
> >even after many years of practice.
> 
> I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt
> study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure*
> to swerve? In most of the accidents and near accidents that I've seen, riders
> will almost always stand on the brakes as hard as they dare, simply because
> the instinct to brake in the face of danger is so strong that it over-rides
> everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive
> manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally preferable?

Apparently the instinct to brake in the face of danger isn't as strong 
as the instinct to freeze up and do nothing in the face of danger.  Hurt
found that a surprising number of accident-involved motorcyclists hadn't
used their brakes at all prior to impact.  

I think the only way you'll ever use countersteering reliably and correctly in 
a crisis is to make it the only conscious method of directional control you
ever use, and to practice it constantly, even when you have no need to do
any turning.  If you follow me down a long straight, and I seem to be 
wiggling back and forth randomly or suddenly without obvious need, it's because
I'm practicing countersteering and avoiding imaginary obstacles directly in
my path.  All of this practice may indeed be futile, but if I have even
milliseconds to react, the most *familiar* tactic available (and hopefully 
the most automatic) will be countersteering.  The same logic applies to braking
with the front brake, of course.

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105118
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted

bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mar
Marten) writes:
>>
>>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow 
>>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has
>>not worked for you. 
>With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything
>would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank
>bag.

Me too. Even after I bought the 3-piece Krauser K2 set.  Now and then, 
DK puts them on sale for 50 bux or so to clear out inventory, but they
never seem to to go away.  They are the Volkswagens of tank bags, I guess.

BTW, the late Paul O' Neill showed me a trick with a pair of pliers that
will extend their life considerably.  When the zipper starts to separate
behind the pull (because of age and wear), squash the pull body with the
pliers just a bit to tighten it back up.  I would have tossed my bag three 
years ago, but this fixed it up and kept it secure and reliable.

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105119
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

In article <1993Apr21.095305.28851@bnr.ca>, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
> Charles Parr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:25:10 GMT wibbled:
> : In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
> 
> : >If Satan rode a bike (CB1000?) would you stop to help him?

Only if he was a "true motorcyclist with the real riding attitude."  As you
probably are aware, there is a sure-fire rec.moto test for this attribute.

> God would ride a Vincent White Lightning with rightous injection.
> He'd wear a one-piece leather suit with matching boots, helmet and gloves.

Why?  You think (s)he's worried about road-rash?

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105120
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) writes:
> 
> Various posts about shafties can't do wheelies:
> 
> >: > No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
> >: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
> >: > off the ground
> >
> >Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my
> >BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and
> >you know what? He was right!
> 
> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!

Well, just when you think *nothing* will strike at a 
BMW-key-fob/ostrich-feather-dipped-in-silly-putty-and-varnished-solid lure,
somebody comes along and inhales it right up to the lead swivel!

There *is* a Dog.

It's going to be pretty difficult to better (worsen?) a trolling scheme this 
low, though.

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105121
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: story

In article <csundh30.735398449@ursa>, csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:
> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
> 
> >>lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
> >>
> >> [description of a pretty rowdy-sounding party]
> >>
> >>And still we wonder why they stereotype us...
> >>
> >>-Erc.
> 
> > Whacha mean 'we'...ifin they (whom ever 'they' are) want to stereotype me
> >as one that likes to drink beer and watch lovely ladies display their
> >beautiful bodies - I like that stereotype.
> >  If you were refering 'stereotype' to infer a negative - you noticed we
> >didn't rape, pillage, or burn down the town. We also left mucho bucks as in
> >MONEY with the town. Me thinks the town LIKES us. Least they said so.
> >                         Lynn Hall - NOS Bros
> 
> 
> They bein' themfolk who tend to compose fair piece of the population;
> bein the ones that regard bikers as a loud, irresponsible, irreverent,
> reprobate rabble.  

Doesn't sound like they attended, though, does it?  In fact, if we riders
need friends, it sounds a lot like we might have a whole townfull from 
Lynn's description, especially if the same crowd gets invited back
to party some more year after year.

> Sure you didn't rape and pillage-- It's a relief to know that you were
> such gentlemen-- but because you were not completely out-of-hand you 
> justify your lesser indescretions?  Some pretty distorted thinking, I
> should say.  

You seem to be one of very few bent out of shape over these "lesser
indiscretions".  If the towns-people aren't ruffled by the
"indiscretions" and the partyers aren't either, maybe the "indiscretions"
don't amount to anything more threatening or damaging than harmless 
good-natured rowdiness among consenting adults.  The only thing that 
really bothered me about the description was the knee-deep empty beer cans 
in the street, but maybe the town had a plan to deal with that since they 
helped set up the party in the first place.  If I lived there and the
bikers' previous visits had established a record of mutual cooperation
and good intentions, I'd certainly rather they stick around and party
than go riding off into the night impaired and maybe get hurt or killed.

> Oh-- I'm sorry, I just noticed that you left mucho bucks (as in MONEY)...
> Nevermind my criticism, I was out of line.  I forgot that when one leaves
> mucho bucks (as in MONEY) their behavior is permissable, perhaps even 
> justified.

If it doesn't hurt anyone, and all the parties to the party benefit
and consider the entire activity to be benign and harmless, then who 
needs to "permit" or "justify" it?  You?  Why do *you* need to do that?

> Keep in mind that "themfolks" are the ones that could give a %$#@! when 
> a biker gets killed, when *their* elected officials institute further
> draconian legislation (helmet laws, gun controls, etc.), the ones that don't 
> respect our rights on the roads because we do not respect theirs all "the
> rest of the time..."

Ironically, these particular townsfolk probably are in the minority that
don't happen to fit the stereotype you describe.  They've developed a
friendly long-term mutually-beneficial relationship with a group of 
motorcyclists, and aren't as burdened with MC-ignorance as is the general
population because of it.

> Need I continue?

If such a need exists, it surely must come from within.

> So continue to wear your stigma as a badge, but the next time you are
> whining about "them" and the effect of their values on yours, remember
> that it was probably the behavior of self-righteous wusses like myself
> that kept "them" at bay for this long.

Well, you got the "self-righteous wusses" part right, anyway.

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

"You might have heard I run with a dangerous crowd,
 We ain't too pretty, we ain't too proud,
 We might be laughin' a bit too loud,
 Ah, but that never hurt no one,       <--------
 You know that only the good die young"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105122
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <19930420221604.Wayne.Orwig@worwig.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig) writes:
> > 
> > >Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
> > >
> > No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
> > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
> > off the ground.
>
> Well my last two motorcycles have been shaft driven and they will wheelie.
> The rear gear does climb the ring gear and lift the rear which gives an
> odd feel, but it still wheelies.

Feeding frenzy!!!

Ah, 'tis April in rec.moto and the newbies are bitin'!  Catch all you want,
we'll make more!

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105123
From: rogerc@midsun.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier)
Subject: Re: Paint jobs in the UK

In article 735397301@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:
>
>>Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs,
>>preferably but not essentially in the London area. 
>
>Try Dream Machine, 0602 736615. I've seen a few examples of their
>work and it looks pretty good. They're in the midlands though...
>

Dream machine quality ain't what it used to be

Kinetic Art did some great paint jobs on Bimotas. Don't know if they are still
around.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105124
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Please tell me they're not permenant scratches!

Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Is there a way to wax out a dull finish (minor scrathes)?  While
>"passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
>and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
>rid of these?  Buff them out?  Wax them out?
>help!


Car accessory shops here sell stuff called T-Cut, which is a very fine
cutting paste for paint, and this will remove the dull finish and
minor acratches. It will also remove all the traffic film and stuff that
you probably don't realise is there, and give your paintwork its original
lustre and shine. It can sometimes react badly with metallic paint, though,
so try it out carefully before going to town with the stuff. Afterwards
apply wax polish, and all will be well again.

BTW - don't confuse T-cut with the cutting paste used for grinding in 
valves...the principle's the same but the coarseness is vastly different...

Mike


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105125
From: kharma@csuohio.edu (Carl J. Santora)
Subject: BMW /2 frame set-up for sale...

			FOR SALE OR TRADE!!!

BMW R60US frame and misc.,converted to Earles fork. The package includes:

	Frame, swingarm and Earles fork
	Final drive(27/8)
	Rear fender, front fender, large tank
	Steel wheels laced w/ ss spokes, one new rim, one EC used rim
	All brackets, brake hdware, footrests etc.
	The colour scheme used is the original BMW optional Bristol grey
	Items not painted are: Earles rigid section(needs straightening,
		this rigid section was bent when I received it, not from 
		being mounted to the R60US frame),Earles swingarm and the 
		headlight shell. I have the paintthat was used and can 
		finish the non-painted items if desired. The striping 
		was done by Holt Design.
	Not included: engine, gearbox, electrics, seat.

This is a clean and tidy project. The project was terminated due to lack of
	time and the R69(35hp) engine that was to be used was transferred 
	to another project. I would prefer to sell the package as whole.
	I am negotiable as to what can be included in the package, I will
	not separate any of the painted items. I am willing to take /2
	spares in trade. 

e-mail any inquiries. thanx. Carl.....

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105126
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)
Subject: Re: Buying a 1992 Suzuki GS500E - advice wanted

awhite@ssc.sas.upenn.edu (Andrew White) writes:

>Hello, net.readers.  I am looking for a little net.advice.

>I've got my eye on a '92 Suzuki GS500E at a local dealer. The bike's got
>3,200 miles on it and looks in mint condition.  Dealer is asking a bit
>less than $2,800. Good price?  I don't have access to a blue book and am
>too lazy to go to the library.  Dealer is letting me test-ride it
>this week.

Blue Book says: Wholesale=$2115, Retail=$2895
Sounds like you are getting a pretty fair price (assuming it is in
nice condition)

>-- 
>Andrew White                   | Univ of Pennsylvania (edu-breath)
>awhite@mcneil.sas.upenn.edu    | 
>DoD #0584                      | '82 Honda Sabre V45 


________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn                     DoD#6425                      AMA#679817
                  '88CBR1000              '89CBR600
                       coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
________________________________________________________________________



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105127
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Subject: Re: Touring the southwest

bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>kim@fatcity.cts.com (Kim Sharpe) writes:
>>A few of us are touring Sothwest Utah in mid June to see the Canyons.\
>>Do any of you have some helpful hints on where to stay or
>>things to see/do/avoid.  Plans are to see Bryce, Zion, Arches.
>>Is the Grand close at that point or is an additional trip required?
>
>Well, it's closer to Bryce than Bryce is to Arches. I'd spend a lot
>of time studying the maps, there's a lot of "you can't get there from
>here" in that area. You might want to hit the Grand Canyon on the way
>up from California, loop around to Canyonlands/Moab/Arches, and then
>back down towards Bryce & Zion on the way home.
>
>Make sure you ride US 12 between Capitol Reef and Bryce, it's been on a
>number of "top 10 roads" lists.

Highway 12 is a great road.  Be sure to stop by the Anasazi (sp) village
museum near Boulder Creek.  Interesting lifestyle :-).  The views of Dixie 
National Forest are stunning.

Karen Black

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105128
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question?

lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:


>Yes, it was specifically the *ability* or understanding of the
>technique which was absent. 

How did Hurt measure the ability of riders to swerve? 





Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105129
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Subject: Re: So, do any police ossifers read this stuff?

In article <C5u4DL.A6v@athena.cs.uga.edu> ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu \
(Allan Hatcher) writes:
%
%   Well, here goes.  After lurking for a LONG time, I'll announce  myself.
%   Yes, I'm the enemy.
%

   Sorry Allan,  but unless  you happen  to be  the guy  who watches  T.V.
   while he's  driving a  white Toyota  on route  129 between  Atsugi  and
   Hiratsuka, you're not even -close- to being "the enemy"!!

-- 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105130
From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: Black Reflector Tape?

I got a sample of black reflector material, maybe from "Conspicuity"?
It is black but reflects silver if the angle of incidence is shallow.
Whoever it was I got it from sold/sells kits that fit BMW (and other
brands?) of luggage and fenders. Don't know what I did with the sample;
the kits seemed too expensive, as I recall.

Henry Prange -  biker/reflectionologist
Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405
DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215
ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2
We all lie, cheat and steal, mostly a little, sometimes a lot. Relax. 


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105131
From: santac@aix.rpi.edu (Christopher James Santarcangelo)
Subject: FORSALE:  1982 Yamaha Seca 650 Turbo

I don't want to do this, but I need money for school.  This is
a very snappy bike.  It needs a little work and I don't have the
money for it.  Some details:

	~19000 miles
	Mitsubishi turbo
	not asthetically beautiful, but very fast!
	One of the few factory turboed bikes... not a kit!
	Must see and ride to appreciate how fun this bike is!

I am asking $700 or best offer.  The bike can be seen in
Bennington, Vermont.  E-mail for more info!

Thanks,
Chris
santac@rpi.edu


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105132
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: Daytona

In article <C5ytzo.569@news.dtc.hp.com> jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
>Russell had major backmarker problems before getting onto the banking.

  And the backmarker was Chuck Graves, I believe.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105133
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

In article <viking.735733789@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>
>	HOW TO GET A VERBAL WARNING FOR 146 IN A 55
>

Poppy cock!  This story is obviously a complete fabrication, and I'll show
you why...

>	In Ames, there is a road that leads to the little town of
           ^^^^
This establishes that the story takes place in Iowa.
>Gilbert.  Gilbert has one stop light, if that tells you something.
>Having just gotten the bike back together, I thought I'd take it
>for a short ride and check things out.  Heading out of town, I
>went into the twisties at a slow pace, just under the speed limit,
               ^^^^^^^^
In Iowa?!?!?  Come on now Dan, how dumb do you think we are?  You could
have at least thrown in a llama or tennis ball reference.  Hell, you
didn't even get the speed right.

Dean

ps. :-)

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105134
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: DoD Pins...NOT!

In article <1993Apr23.155347.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>	Bad news - Right after we placed our order, the company upped its
>	minimum order for manufacturing.  We got in under the wire (with
>	an order of 115 or so pins), but as a result of the low number of
>	pins, we were relegated to the "we'll get to it in-between other
>	runs" bin.  As a result, it seems that it may be another 4 or 5 weeks

How about the name and number of the pin place.  I would think that 115
or so people calling to bitch about why orders placed after ours are getting
done first might speed things along.

Dean
-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105135
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: VFR + ST11 Owners get hidden feature

In article <C61r0B.C7@world.std.com> daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) writes:
> I was enjoying lunch this saturday at foodies in Milford NH with an assortment
>of other nedod folks when Dean Cookson ( yes he has not left the 
>country, yet) mentioned that the wiring diagram of the VFR750 
>shows that  the light switch is a three position switch. 
>
My CB750 does it too.  The "Switch Continuity" section of the wiring diagram
looks something like this:

	HL L  H
        x--x     Low
        x--x--x  (N)
        x-----x  High

Dean

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105136
From: idb14@cus.cam.ac.uk (I.D. Benham)
Subject: Re: WANTED - UK BMW R80 & Insurance Tips

In article <1993Apr21.171139.19287@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, idb14@cus.cam.ac.uk (I.D. Benham) writes:
|> Hi,
|>    I'm now in the market for buying a BMW.The ideal would be an R80 RS but I'd be
|> interested to here of any R80 for sale .Age is not a problem - I'm more
|> interested in a good example without a massive amount of miles and one which has
|> been well maintained as I intend to keep it well and for some time.
|> 
|>    I would also like to know if anyone has any sound advice as regards to
|> INSURANCE - 27yr old,licence for 9 years,no accidents/claims/convictions.Am I old
|> enough to get BMW owners club insurance yet or will I have to wait until next
|> year? 
|> 
|> 				Ian
|> 
|> 			Future Beemer Owner


  Article repeated due to large amount of other articles since 1st sent

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105137
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <C60Itu.4Dn@myrddin.imat.com> nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) writes:
>In article <1993Apr23.163805.9516@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>
>>	Spray the chain wax onto the rollers and sideplates occassionally, and
>>rust will not be a problem.
>
>	I did.  Regularly.  And it was.
>
>				Michael
>
Maybe you had accidentally sealed in some water?  I cleaned my chain
thoroughly, took it on a short ride to dry it off and heat it up
a bit, and the paraffin sank deep into the rollers and formed a good
seal on the outside.  No rust, but then again I live in Tucson!

/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\
|                                                                |
|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |
| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |
|  '86 BMW R80GS					         |	
\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105138
From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Changing oil on Virago (Was: Yamaha vs Honda opinions)

aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr) writes:
>In a previous article, phj@remus.rutgers.edu (P. Ju) says:
>>nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes:
>>
>>the brake pedal, &c. &c.) I've pretty much decided never to get this
>>particular model unless he or someone else wants to change the oil/filter
>>for me.  Compared to the 5-minute change he was used to for his Honda, this
>>is just a design flaw/oversight in my eyes.
>>
>Sure don't know what bike was being worked on but it sure wasn't a
>Virago.  I've owned both the 750 and 1100 and you can do the filter
>change in about 5 mins and nothing has to be removed.  

Well, watching several Denizen's dismantle Laurie's Virago in an
attempt to change the oil at the ride 'n feed a few years back was a
pretty funny site.  Surely with the combined wisdom of all these folks
they weren't doing things the hard way, were they?
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105139
From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:

>hear screeching tires.  I dart my eyes to my mirrors and realize it's the 
>moroon flying up right behind me, in my panic I pop my clutch and stall the
>bike.  Luckily the guy stops a foot behind my rear wheel.
>I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
>really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

The experience you describe is why I don't like to sit with my bike in
gear - I figure there's a chance that I'll be startled in some way and
stall my bike.  And I figure this is more likely than the chance that
I'll be unable to escape some situation because of the extra time
needed to put the bike in gear.

So I concentrate on avoiding situations rather than making split-second
evasive manuvers.  I split lanes so I'm not at the end of the line.
(Unfortunately this is not legal in most of the country)  If I can't
split (perhaps there isn't room) then I will stop near one side of the
lane so I have an easy escape, and leave my bike in gear until the next
car has stopped.  I watch in my mirrors in the mean time to make sure
it will!  Whether I really would have time to move should a car fail to
stop, I haven't had to find out yet.  Some cars have an annoying habbit
of racing up behind you before braking heavilly, so it can be hard to
tell if they are planning to brake or not!

So in summary, position yourself for an easy exit, and then watch your
mirrors until it's all clear.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105140
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Electricty

In article <66795@mimsy.umd.edu>, leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes...
>maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>NH> 1) Trying to figure out a way to put a halogen beam on my CB360T... Are 
>NH>there any easy ways to do this (i.e. a "slip-in" bulb replacement)?

>No.  The Honda 360s employed a sealed beam which was not interchangeable
>with anything else, so far as I could ever tell.  I've owned two 360s
>over the years, and that was always one of my biggest nits.

	I'm not sure how far standardisation went, but on two of my bikes (the
GS550B and, I think, the GT380M) I was able to pop a Cibie' insert directly
into the original housing (held in by those roughly W-shaped springs).  The
inserts used 55/60W halogen bulbs, and were great, although Mr Bill later
indicates that this may be too much of a drain on your charging system.

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105141
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: First Bike??

In rec.motorcycles James Leo Belliveau <jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
;    I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to
;put it bluntly, it sucks.  I really would like some advice on what would
;be a good starter bike for me.  I do know one thing however, I need to
;make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is
;out of the question.  I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR
;600 F2, GSX-R 750).  I know that this may sound kind of crazy
;considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a
;fast learner, and in love.  

Responsible and in love?  I believe that's a contradiction
in terms.

Unless you're really brave (read: "reckless") a 500cc sport
bike will go way faster than you dare for at least your first
year of riding.  Getting more than that really is overkill,
as you'll never even want to use it.  The following bikes
can be bought (and repaired!) cheaply, are easy for a novice
to manage, and are plenty high performance:
    Kawasaki EX-500
    Honda VF-500 "Interceptor"
    Suzuki GS-550E

The 0-100mph time of the EX-500 at full throttle is "way
sooner than you're ready for it".  :-)  With something
as small as a 250, you'd probably be wishing for more
power pretty quickly (unless it's a TZR or RGV :).

Now, I'm not saying that you're 100% certain to kill
yourself immediately with a 600f2 or a GSXR-750.  Plenty
of people have started riding on those bikes and done
just fine.  What I am saying is that it's a waste of
money, and a waste of perfectly good plastic when you
drop the thing learning how to balance while stopping.
You'll never get the throttle more than half open
anyway, so why spend the extra 2000 bucks?

---
chris

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105142
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last 

pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young) writes:

>Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:

>: Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Another newbie bites the dust, eh?  They'll learn.

>Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was
>in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag.

>Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm,
>wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I
>assumed you were serious. Mea culpa.

You cannot be serious!! Personally I think Nick's postings are the 
best thing on wreck.moto. 




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105143
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (The Angel Levine) writes:


>Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
>but I've never actually done it.

No, but I've driven my cage to the bike park, thinking I was riding
the bike....



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105144
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <C60Itu.4Dn@myrddin.imat.com> nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) writes:
>In article <1993Apr23.163805.9516@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>
>>	Spray the chain wax onto the rollers and sideplates occassionally, and
>>rust will not be a problem.
>
>	I did.  Regularly.  And it was.

	Interesting.  All I can say is that I haven't seen any wear in the
1000 miles I've used the stuff on the Ninja, and the bike stays soooo clean.

	I'll check back again in a few thousand more miles.

	While we're on the subject, whereinthehell can I find a 532x110
endless chain, other than the dealer (no, rivet-type master links are not
acceptable)?

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105145
From: bobm@brimstone (Bob Morley)
Subject: Re: Please tell me they're not permenant scratches!

In article <sfpPIsK00WB64HPO5e@andrew.cmu.edu>, Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> While "passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
> and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
> rid of these?  Buff them out?  Wax them out? help!

Has he realised yet....or are you hoping to fix it before he does ? 

If you're planning to use T-Cut...BE CAREFUL. Sunlight fades paint and T-Cut removes the surface layer, so if its a older bike or very sunny where
you live then the colour of the T-cut panel wont match the rest of the bike.

-Bob

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105146
From: drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article 13892@megatek.com, randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
>In article <1993Apr22.204012.29920@asl.dl.nec.com> drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp writes:
>|Course, the only people who seem to be acting smug now probably have chain
>|final drive (which, as we all know, is less efficient and has higher
>|maintenance) and probably didn't know the answer at the start of the thread.
>
>  When did *you* go out and change the laws of physics? :-)  According to some
>numbers I used to see bandied around, shaft drive is on the order of 95-97%
>efficient, while chain drive is closer to 99%...   Seems to me that this makes
>*chain* drive more efficient, hmmmmm???
>
>  And granted, shaft has a lot less maintenance, which is fine, if you don't
>mind less performance... :-) :-)
>
>Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
>ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy

OK.  And you regularly ride your bike to within 2% of it's maximum capability?
(Note any idiot can go flat out on a bike - most of them do.)

Anyway, efficient at what?  A shaft drive is a much more efficient solid (erect) lump
of metal than a floppy (flaccid, unsatisfying) chain.

Doug Rinckes   drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp   New Zealand TSSC Ltd
1976 BMW R100S           1960 BMW R60            1940 Indian 741A       


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105147
From: drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article 0180@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA, C70A000 <C70A@UNB.CA> () writes:
>In article <3880218@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
>>/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu /  2:48 pm  Apr 19, 1993 /
>>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
>>
>>Mike Terry
>>'82 Virago
>>----------
>>I've seen 'em, but the real question is, can one do a wheelie on a Lead Wing?
>>If so, how high would the front wheel be off the ground?
>
> Wheelies on Lead Wings are possible, but they ain't easy, or so my
>(hhmmm, what is the relation?) great uncle several times removed tells
>me.  As for how high, how high do you want 'em?  Modulation isn't
>exactly the easiest thing in the world, or so says a guy 57 years old...

Well, apparently once you get past about 6 inches, all the luggage shifts back in the panniers, the passenger slides back, and the dog ends up hanging onto the top rack,
and they go all the way over until it's flat on it's ass, with the front wheel
straight up in the sky.  Impressive, but hard on the tail lights. :)

Doug Rinckes   drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp   New Zealand TSSC Ltd
1976 BMW R100S           1960 BMW R60            1940 Indian 741A       


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105148
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!


In article <C5u1LI.7EM@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
|> Lotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was 
|> late and too pricey.  If they can write off the Elan development costs the may 
|> be able to sell them for a sensible price.

I read that GM wants to keep the Design part of Lotus but lose the car
production. And, I seem to remember, that the main problem with the Elan
was caused by GM's insistence that the Elan be re-designed (significantly)
for the US market which caused major design & production headaches. 

|> : : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
|> : : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
|> : : the name.
|> 
|> : : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
|> 
|> : I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR.  It's a seperate
|> : company from the RR Aero-Engine company. 
|> 
|> It's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars. 

Quite true - brain fade on my part.

|> David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105149
From: sbrandt@loon.cs.umn.edu (Scott Alan Brandt)
Subject: Want to borrow/rent a bike in Boston this summer.

This summer (~July 20) my wife (Michelle) and I will be in Boston
attending my brother's wedding.  After the wedding we are planning
to motor up to Bar Harbor, Maine to visit some relatives for a few
days.  Our summer would be *made* if we could find a bike (or bikes)
to borrow or rent to ride up to Bar Harbor and back.

Here's some important details:  I've been riding for ~11 years,
(my own bikes for the past 7 years), Michelle has been riding for the
past 6 years (her own bikes), I've only been involved in one accident
which was caused by a cage driver running a stop sign, I currently own
a BMW R90, Michelle owns a Yamaha Virago 700, we prefer cruising over
racing, we've toured a fair amount, we're both licensed and insured,
and we're nice people.

So, if anyone has a bike (or bikes :-), but the second one would have
to be a Virago or something else with an equally low seat) that they
would be willing to loan us for 3-4 days in July, Michelle and I would
be eternally grateful. In addition to our friendship, you would also
have the use of our bikes should you ever pass through Minneapolis.
In exchange, we would be happy to take you and a guest out for dinner
and an evening of wild bike stories, or we might even be willing to
cough up some money for improvements to the bike(s), like new tires or
something.

Also, any information about bike rentals in the Boston area would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Scott Brandt

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105150
From: simmon@eeel.nist.gov (Eric Simmon)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small) writes:

>In article <13608@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>>
>>Since the occurance, I've paid many
>>dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, 
>>and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous
>>assholes like yourself that think your SO above the
>>rest of the world because you've never had your
>>own little DD suaree.

>Some of us aren't that fucking stupid you cock sucking asshole.  That's why
>we haven't had our own little DD suaree.  I'm soo impressed that you've had
>to spend your own precious little dollars  to make up for your own stupid
>act.  Now go fuck off.



>Friends killed by Drunk Driving Assholes like Andress Infante:  2
>Children friends orphaned by Drunk Driving Assholes like Infante: 2



>Now who's the self-righteous asshole, you weak willed fuck head?


>>
>-- 
>I hate the 3B2
>The 3B2 can bite me.

Jim,

I hope you never drive (or ride) when:

you have been drinking 
you have been taking prescription drugs
you didn't get enough sleep the night before
you are upset with your girlfriend
you just didn't feel like your brain was talking to your body
you think you are at laguna seca and want to break the lap record

ANY of the above situations have the potential for harm (read death)
People make mistakesIf you have never endangered someone else by driving a vehicle in an
unsafe manner, then go right ahead and bitch about Mr Infante misuse
of a motor vehicle.  Otherwise, think about your OWN driving responsibilities.

I am sorry about the loss of your friends, but it could just as well
been the idiot who bought a Volvo because he has problems falling asleep at the
wheel.

Eric

simmon@eeel.nist.gov



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105151
From: kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell)
Subject: SQUIDS and Dealers 

Yesterday, a friend had asked me to accompany him to a local motorcycle
dealer. It has been a while since he last rode (>10 years), and I myself
have never bought a new bike from a dealer. What follows is an experience
of that visit and of an observation of "SQUILDLY" behavior by other 
customers and/or sales personel:

BACKGROUND:

I ride with a group of friends, who mainly are into "cruiser" type bikes. My
friend was hell bent on getting an Intruder and had seen a few used ones. He
wanted to see what the new ones were going for, so we happened upon a dealer
that sold both Suzuki and Yamaha. 

The place was fairly busy, so we browsed a bit. We happened upon a few 
Intruders, most of which had SOLD signs on. My friend had been bitten.

Well the salesdroid appeared and as my friend started chewing the fat, I 
moseid on outside. The next thing I know, I see 3 or 4 sport bikes pull in.
I could stereo-type the type of riders (backward ball hat, oakley, IQ <40),
but I won't. Well they went inside, I didn't think much of it. I figured
to each his own. I went back in to see if the salesdroid had his fangs
firmly implanted into my friends back,  when I noticed the "hormone gang"
talking to other salesdroids/managers. Lot's of laughter, jokes etc. No big
deal.

Here is the part that concerned me. The "HG" and those shop personel that were
not busy with customers went back out, where said "HG" members fired up their
rides and did the obligatory reving up of those 600 beasts. At this point,
one decided to see how much rubber  a Katana 600 could deposit in the drive.

SQUIDS, I thought to myself. BUT I was appalled that the salesdroids/manager
not only condoned this behavior, but encourged it, to the point were they
were betting how long he could keep it up and egged him on to pull a wheely
as he rode off onto a busy street around rush hour. THe girl that was riding pillion on another bike, seemed rather hormonal about this display, and urged her
"pilot" to quickly catch up. The others followed, making sure there Kerkers
could be heard as well as felt.

I felt embarassed at this point to be a motorcyclist. I felt the eyes of those
in cages, witnessing this display, then glancing over to the dealers lot and
damning all those on two wheels. Needless to say, my friend felt a little
uncomfortable and we left. 

I will now turn off my frustration and go ride... peacefully, to clear my
anger. I only hope that the cop who is following me home, has an open
mind and doesn't associate me with them. 

BTW, I can't afford a new bike.....

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105152
From: db10@bih.no (Karstein Holen)
Subject: Bike Vacation in the States??

This Summer I'm going to use my vacation drivin (riding)
through the States.
And I do Have some questions that I would like to post here::
Since I'm from Norway I was wondering
How much does it cost to rent a Bike in the States?

(I'm Probarly going to the San Fransisco/San Jose area
the ride around (I'think))

As you might have noticed I still haven't made any plans
so if you know about places I ought to visit 
Please e-mail me...

                   Khool  (Wanna be a DoD  (Hangarond)
                 db10@bih.no
             (Karstein Holen) 
Since I hurt my pendulum
My life is all erratic.
My parrot, who was cordinal,
Is now transmitting static.
The carpet died, a palm collapsed
The cat keeps doing poo.
The only thing that keeps me sane
Is talking to my shoe.
           -- My Shoe.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105153
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <5295@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:

>In article <1993Apr20.010734.18225@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>>...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
>>to liquor?

>*Everything* in Louisiana is related to liquor:  eating, sleeping, walking,
>talking, church, state, life, death, and everything in between.

How DARE you make such an accusation!  There are MANY sober, non-drinkers in 
this state!  If We wern't so busy unloading the beer truck for the week end, 
I might just come up that and have a talk wit you! B->

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                          Stolen Taglines...
                        HEY! Where did they go?
                      You don't think .... naahh.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105154
From: buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling)
Subject: Re: '93 Wing Ding?

Wing ding XV will take place in Louisville, Kentucky from 15 June-18 June.
For more info, or to register, contact GWWRA, P.O.Box 14350, Phoenix, AZ,
85017, Tel. (602) 269-1403.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Duncan Sterling          buffalo@wam.umd.edu   GT750L, KH500A8, CA175K3
University of Maryland    "Yeeehaaa!" - Slim Pickens in "Dr. Strangelove"   
College Park, Md.         "2 strokes are quicker than 4" - anonymous 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105155
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: Help me adjust my tappits

In rec.motorcycles, sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Matthew Sheppard) writes:
>All our local 'experts' say it's the tappits that need some adjusting so
>I am soon to attempt that.  I would like any advice anyone had.  I do
>not have a shop manual but have read about the procedure in Chiltons and
>in a few other places.  Is there anything I need to be particularaly
>carful of?  Any problems anyone else has encountered?

I would stongly recommend a factory service manual, and if you are not
an experienced machanic then get a chiltons or haynes (sp?) ALSO.
Make sure the bike has cooled at least 6 hours since being run.
Read the books and if you have more questions you could mail me.
Also, be very careful when tightening valve cover bolts.  They take
very little torque and breaking one is disaster.

Rich Sturges
  Falls Church, VA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105156
Subject: ZX-11 jetting
From: manolo@bloqueo (Manuel.Arrevola)

What jetting do you recommend for a ZX-11 (with standard mufflers) instead of
the standard one (idle-38, main-155).
Cheers.

--
Manuel Arrevola Velasco			||| e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es |||
Fundesco				ZX-11
Calle Alcala, 61			DR-600-S
28014-Madrid				DoD #1033
Tel. 341-4351214			"Don't waste your time, express it"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105157
From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Subject: Borderline!

In article <1993Apr21.222206.502069@sue.cc.uregina.ca> franks@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Derek Franks) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone on the net knows where/when the 1993 Wing Ding
>is?  If so, would you please e-mail/post the info?
>
>I've never been to one and have some free time this summer and
>am considering attending.  Anyone else?
>
 vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv  VVVVVVVVVV
>This is my first post, so no DoD#.
>                       
>'82 Aspencade (2nd one)

Getting close there!

o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>
    Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
    1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
    DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105158
From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Subject: LAW & ORDER & DoD

Anyone catch the TV show Law & Order last night (at least here in
NYC)?  They "the law enforcement people", needed to catch a member of
DoD (Department of Doom) for inflicting a computer virus in a
hospital's mainframe which ended up killing two people because wrong
amounts of medication were given to them.

Anyhow, is "Department of Doom" on the list?

o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>
    Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
    1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
    DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105159
From: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <cassidy.51.0@elan.rowan.edu> cassidy@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy) writes:
>In article <csundh30.735325668@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:
>>
>>I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.
>>
>man, every time this thread comes up, i start jumping up and down screaming '
>EASY WHEELS! EASY WHEELS!' but to date, it seems like _i'm_ the only one who'
>s ever seen this. it's absolutely hysterical. basic plot is this:
>
>reporter searching for a ring of babysnatchers is blow off the road by a (
>very hot) gang of babe bikers in leather. he is rescued from his wrecked car 
>in the desert by a xtian gospal biker band lead by an ex viet-nam vet with a 
>steel plate in his head that gives him visions from time to time. they soon 
>discover that the gang 'o babes is kidnapping children to be raised by 
>wolves (the reasoning behind this is complex), and they set out to stop them 
>and restore justice and order to the world.
>
>it is one of the 5 funniest movies i have ever seen in my life.
>
>--
>kyle cassidy
>cassidy@rowan.edu	"fire all of your guns at once!"
>DoD #760

I actually saw this movie about three months ago, but it wasn't called
EASY WHEELS.  It was something else that escapes me at the moment but
I did rent it from Blockbuster Video and it was a hoot, in the same
class as Plan 9 From Outer Space.

-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105160
From: bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:

>Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
>but I've never actually done it.

Yup. Do it whenever I am in the cage (which is not often if its riding weather
... ie no snow). I find arm out and down and kinda finger wave works best for
sport bikes and arm out/up works best for Harleys. Similar to how I wave when
I am on the bike.

>Let's see how many posts it takes for someone to selectively quote this article

Yah mean like..

>I get the urge, but I've never actually done it.

Done what? Why Jody we would never, ever even dream of assuming that a young
lady of such refined breeding and taste would even consider such things. I mean
some matters do not even have to be discussed, by civilized beings...

But, in confidence, just between the "two of us", not even once. Or perhaps
got excited thinking about it. I know that I do... ;->

bj...bradw@Newbridge.com... no .sig no .plan no.clue  >> DoD# 255 <<


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105161
From: jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu (Opso Lopso)
Subject: Kaw KZ650 Owners: tankbag stuff?

I was just wondering what kind (brand, name, etc...) would be best on this 
bike.... thanks for your advice.... 

-----
jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105162
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <1993Apr25.234857.1922@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>
>	Interesting.  All I can say is that I haven't seen any wear in the
>1000 miles I've used the stuff on the Ninja, and the bike stays soooo clean.
>

On a related note (since UPS lost my Chain Wax and I'm still using PJ-1/Goo),
I found some great stuff to clean chain spooge of wheels.  It's called
Goo Gone and cleaned the spooge off my rear wheel faster than the Simple
Green cleaned the bug guts off my headlight.  Wonderful stuff.  I recommend
that we officially delcare it a DoD Wonder Spooge (tm) product.


-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105202
From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Subject: Re: Help me adjust my tappits

Jeff Nichols (jcn@rice.edu) wrote:
& 
& And speaking of shims, why would the clearance of the valves get smaller,
& i.e. 
& need the use of a thinner shim?  

Because the valves recede into the cylinder head faster than the shims/cams
wear down..

--
Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@sad.hp.com    (707) 794-4168 work,
Hewlett Packard             (707) 794-3844 fax,  (707) 538-3693 home
1212 Valley House Drive     IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG, LAW, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105203
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <1993Apr26.013305.8161@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>I found some great stuff to clean chain spooge of wheels.  It's called
>Goo Gone and cleaned the spooge off my rear wheel faster than the Simple
>Green cleaned the bug guts off my headlight.  Wonderful stuff.  I recommend
>that we officially delcare it a DoD Wonder Spooge (tm) product.
>
I think you can get that at most head shops.  I'm not kidding... although
it seems more appropriate for them to be selling Simple Green.

| '86 BMWR80GS               (Erik Asphaug)               |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105204
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>In article 735312515@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>>
ed>1.  All of us that argue about gyroscopes, etc., throughly understand
ed>the technique of countersteering.

me>Including all the ones who think that they countersteer all the way
me>through a corner??

ed>Well... all the way through a decreasing-radius corner, anyway...

Maybe they are riding around an ever-decreasing circle of lies which
eventually leads to the truth....



me>The official line here (though I do have my doubts about it) is that the
me>front brake is applied first, followed by the rear brake, the idea being
me>that you avoid locking up the rear after weight transfer takes place. 

>If that's the "official line" taught in those rider education classes
>you were refering to, that also don't teach countersteering, I have to
>question the quality of the classes. 

Me too, though unfortunately the "Official Line" is the one that you
have to adhere to if you want to get a full licence. The examiner's
guidelines are laid down by the government, and the basic rider education
courses have no choice but to follow them. It surprises me that none of the
rider groups here, either MAG or the BMF make much noise about the fact that
the riding test requires you to ride three feet from the kerb all the time
in order to pass, that the front brake must be applied before the rear, that
you have to keep looking over your shoulder all the time (instead of just
when it is justified) - there's probably a few more too, which I can't
think of for the moment. If the riding test could be rejigged a bit 
to include more of the real-world survival skills and less of the 
woefully simplistic crap that it contains now, then the accident figures
would (imho) reduce still further.

Don't think we should include countersteering knowledge in our test though...

:-)





Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105205
From: jbuhl@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Buhl)
Subject: Re: VFR + ST11 Owners get hidden feature

cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:

>In article <C61r0B.C7@world.std.com> daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) writes:
>> I was enjoying lunch this saturday at foodies in Milford NH with an assortment
>>of other nedod folks when Dean Cookson ( yes he has not left the 
>>country, yet) mentioned that the wiring diagram of the VFR750 
>>shows that  the light switch is a three position switch. 
>>
>My CB750 does it too.  The "Switch Continuity" section of the wiring diagram
>looks something like this:

>	HL L  H
>        x--x     Low
>        x--x--x  (N)
>        x-----x  High

And my '78 CX500 too - I first thought it was the wiring diagram that didn't
fit MY machine ;-)

>Dean

/jb

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105206
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax Wheelies



>In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>
>>   I bought it, I tried it:
>>
>>   It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>>
>>   My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>>
>

I would like to offocially nominate Maxima Chain Wax as another
Official (tm) DoD product of choice.
-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105207
From: tanner@cerritos.edu
Subject: Re: Posted Gif of BMW R100S

> 	If any would care to see any more close-ups or different angles, I can
> 	post others to a.b.p also. I would be happy to submit one to cerritos
> 	if someone wants to write me and tell me how...

I would prefer a picture with you in it.  Since most motorcycles don't post,
and are rather similar looking (i.e all R100S's are more alike than they are
different), it is the people that are ultimately more interesting.

From archive_policy.txt:
> If you already have a picture in some machine-readable format (GIF preferred),
> you can FTP it to Cerritos.edu account 'anonymous' password 'incoming', binary
> mode and notify me by mail or mail it uuencoded to tanner@cerritos.edu.
>
>Please include a one or two line description for inclusion in AAAREADME.TXT.

BTW, I have Charlie Smith's pictures available.

> Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|

Interestingly, I've been to Stanley, ID by motorcycle.  Nice little town,
nice road getting there.

-Bruce
-- 
Bruce Tanner        (310) 860-2451 x 596    Tanner@Cerritos.EDU
Cerritos College    Norwalk, CA             DoD #0161  NOMAD #007

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105208
From: leighd@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Leigh Dodd)
Subject: Help on UK law PLEASE

Greetings all,
	Can anyone let me know status of UK law about riding motorcycles.

	I used to ride one about 12 years ago and never took my DOT test ( One
of a whole list of things I wished I had done when I was young),but I have passed
my car driving test. I now travel from Littlehampton to Brighton every day
and I'm getting PISSED off with the traffic/road works. I thinking about getting
a 100cc bike ( Don't Laugh ) just to get "Streetwise" and to take my test, then
to get a bigger one ( 400 to 600 cc ).

	Now I have been told I don't have to do the CBT but what will I have
to do to get a full licence ?

Thanks in advanced

Leigh 

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105209
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Subject: Personal Problems   (Was - Re: So, do any police ossifers read ...)

In article <ltgnt9INNfpq@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu \
(Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
%
% I can't haul my big dic. around on my bike...
%

   ...or is it a boast?

-- 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105210
From: tanner@cerritos.edu
Subject: Re: Touring the southwest

In article <1993Apr24.215126.19802@dsd.es.com>, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
> 
> Make sure you ride US 12 between Capitol Reef and Bryce, it's been on a
> number of "top 10 roads" lists.

Did they ever put in any gas stations on US 12?  I rode through there in
1987, skipped a fillup at Bryce Canyon and rode 100+ miles before seeing
a gas station at Torrey.  Awesome road, I recall riding up a narrow ridge
above 9,000? 10,000? feet.

-Bruce
-- 
Bruce Tanner        (310) 860-2451 x 596    Tanner@Cerritos.EDU
Cerritos College    Norwalk, CA             DoD #0161  NOMAD #007

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105211
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Please tell me they're not permenant scratches!


In a previous article, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) says:

>Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>>Is there a way to wax out a dull finish (minor scrathes)?  While
>>"passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
>>and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
>>rid of these?  Buff them out?  Wax them out?
>>help!

Okay, here's what to do.   Get a drill and a sanding disk. Use, say a 
100 disk and go at it at a very low rpm.  If you don't have a drill, try
coarse steel wool and brake fluid.  Dot 4 has an uncanny knack for removing
_any_ paint imperfections.

Oh, I'm not responsible for misuse or miapplication of either of these
techniques.
-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105212
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re:      Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

In article   <93113.202310C09615BT@wuvmd.wustl.edu>,
         Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD> writes...
>If you haven't done it before, it can be dangerous.  It takes
>some getting used to.  Read Ed's list.

  Yep.  If Ed's list is over 45-degrees, the wind's too strong to ride.  :-)

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "AMERICAN degrees; not European!"	DoD #484

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105213
From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: Black Reflector Tape?

In article <1rckk4INNgub@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> doc@webrider.central.sun.com
 writes:
>A few months ago, in one the the motorcycle mags, there was
>an article that mentioned reflector tape that was supposed to
>be available thru BMW.  The idea was that the tape would look
>black in sunlight, and reflect in other colors at night to
>
>
>Has anyone come across this from BMW or any other source?
>

Terry McCandlish, president of my local BMW club (Buckeye Beemers)
sells this type of tape.  It comes as a strip approximately 3" x 12"
and can be cut to sizes needed.

You can call Terry at (614) 837-1960 (Columbus, Ohio).

Arnie

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105214
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <6224@catnip.berkeley.ca.us> bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS) writes:
>infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>
>>Since the occurance, I've paid many
>>dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, 
>>and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous
>>assholes like yourself that think your SO above the
>>rest of the world because you've never had your
>>own little DD suaree.
>
>"The devil made me do it!"


Yeah!

I found beelzebub inside a worm...yeah, that's it!

(actually it was vodka - Gordon's if I remember correctly...
I didn't even buy it (of course, that's probably the reason
I drank _so_ much of it that night...never again.)


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105215
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <jnmoyne-210493143813@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>In article <1r3qeb$k35@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green
>- Pixel Cruncher) wrote:
>> 
>> A bill breezed through the NC House to lower the intoxification level
>> from .1 to .08.  It faces stiff opposition in the Senate.  Recently,
>> the Highway Patrol took a few of the opposition Senators out and gave
>> them some shots, and when they hit .07, put them on a course dodging
>> cones.  They failed, and will probably change their votes as a result.
>
>	    Did they try to do the course before having a few drinks ?
>
>	    I don't see a senator that has is fat but driven around in a limo
>being a good driver no mater how many drinks he has had before.
>
>	    JNM

Yeah, really, no shit!

Like that jerk Loch Faircloth that couldn't win an election
as a democrat so he switches to republican the year before this
past election and takes Terry Sanford out with his bitch
and moan campaigning typical of NC senate/house/gubner races.

I swear, I'd kick Jesse Helms in the head if I ever got the chance.

Maybe then he'd get a fucking clue as to how the rest of
the world lives.

-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105216
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

You really expect a cop to answer these honestly?

(First you gotta expect a cop to be honest...that's another
story...)

-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105217
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <Stafford-210493125617@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) wrote:
>
>> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
>> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!
>
>	The statement above is _true_ to the spirit of the list because
>	it is a false statement.  Misinformation: that's the spirit, Bill.
>
>	My /5 will do wheelies because it's a chain drive model.   
>


Wow, is that custom made?

I wish I could get chain drive for my slashfive so
I _too_ can do wheelies and be real squiddly.


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105218
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

Apparently, the only place to take the MSF course around
here in NC is at a community college.

That woudl preclude some sort of state
subsidation, then, no?

-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105219
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: VFR + ST11 Owners get hidden feature

In article <C61r0B.C7@world.std.com>,
	 daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) writes...
]I was enjoying lunch this saturday at foodies in Milford NH with an assortment
]of other nedod folks when Dean Cookson ( yes he has not left the 
]country, yet) mentioned that the wiring diagram of the VFR750 
]shows that  the light switch is a three position switch. 

]high beam
]low beam
]Both beams

]Well the actual ergonomics of the switch make it appear to be a
]2 position switch, but sure enough as Deam expected , when
]you balance the toggle switch in the center position both the high
]and low beams go on.

]This provides a very nice light coverage of the road.

]This is true for the St11 and the VFR750 and I would expect for any 
]other late model Honda with the standard two position light switch.

]Thanks to Dean for reading the schematics, try it you'll like it.

	Be a bit careful doing this; I used to balance the switch on my GS550B
avec Cibie' H4 insert so that both beams were on.  I eventually fried the
main ignition switch, as it wasn't designed to pass that sort of current.

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105220
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <1993Apr22.155542.12457@siemens.co.at>,
mxcrew@mx2306.gud.siemens.co.at (The MX-Crew) wrote:
> 
> Sorry for my stupid question :->, but what do you "americans" mean with
> "shaft-drives". My dictionary knows only strange meanings like:
>    Schaft, Stiel, Pfeil, Strahl, Welle, Deichsel, Schacht.
------------

Shaft: Bamboozle, beat, beguile, burn (or flame), deceive, hoax,
       hoodwink.

Drive: Campaign, crusade, push.

So, 'shaft drive' may be a campaign to decieve or a crusade of beguile,
efforts where are true to the spirit of this list.

Wheel: revolution, swing

Crusaders of beguile are innefective in revolutions and they cannot
swing, either, therefore shaft drives cannot do wheelies.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105221
From: orovner@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Oleg Rovner)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <C60n8u.I8y@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>
>So of the 120 hp produced by my FJ1100 engine, 
>
>      12 hp  * (745.7 watts)/1 hp = 8.948 kilowatts 
>
>is being dumped into 220 leetle tiny o-rings?  That's 40.67 watts per
>o-ring!  Seems a little *hot*, doncha think?
>
>:-O
>Chuck Rogers
>car377@torreys.att.com

So, hey, like, does this work the other way? If I was to like, you
know, strap a generator to my FZJRR11000KRX and route its output to
the chain, could I increase the horsepower? 32 meters a sec is
pretty nice and all, but, I'd still like to be able to blow away 
a Goldwing without going to nitro...


-- 
DoD #388 XJ1100J "Big Maroon" VF700F "L'Audace" 
    Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105222
From: phj@remus.rutgers.edu (P. Ju)
Subject: Re: Yamaha vs Honda opinions

nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes:

>I am in hte market for a new bike (been without for a few years).
>The two main bikes I'm looking at seriously are
>The Yamaha Virago 535 and the Honda Shadow VLX 583. 
>I am leaning towards the Yamaha for its shaft drive, the Honda is Chain.
>Insurance in Fla. is more costly than I thought, so I am staying in this
>power range. Thanks in advance for any opinions and or experiences

A friend of mine (who's probably reading this right now) just bought a new
Yamaha Virago 750.  After spending 1-2 hours very late one chilly evening
watching him struggle with the bolts (had to remove the right peg, loosen
the brake pedal, &c. &c.) I've pretty much decided never to get this
particular model unless he or someone else wants to change the oil/filter
for me.  Compared to the 5-minute change he was used to for his Honda, this
is just a design flaw/oversight in my eyes.


Patricia
phj@remus.rutgers.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105223
From: phj@remus.rutgers.edu (P. Ju)
Subject: Re: Help! Which bikes are short?

bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes:

>Help!  I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle.  This is great!
>Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat.  This is not great.  So far,
>the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440.

I have been checking out bikes (hoping for lowish seats) for a few weeks.  A
Honda Twinstar (250cc) fit me well, a Honda Hawk (400cc) did not, the
Kawasaki 250HB/SB/SH? (can't remember) looked like it would fit me well but
the price tag was way too large...

>I seem to remember a thread with a point similar to this passing through
>several months ago.  Did anybody keep that list?

Please post this list or mail me one too!

(:

Patricia
phj@remus.rutgers.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105224
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax Wheelies

ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:

>I would like to offocially nominate Maxima Chain Wax as another
>Official (tm) DoD product of choice.


Is there an "official DoD products-of-choice" list?  If so would the 
appropriate party please post it.  

-Erc.

p.s. If its in the FAQ, keep them to yourself-- I got plenty.  
     Maybe I'll go recheck them now, just to be sure

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105225
From: mtaffe@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Michael Taffe)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <bbnv8cq@quantum.qnx.com> dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs) writes:
>
>But, on a similar note; for a while I drove a 1976 VW Wesfalia -- this
>is their camper van conversion.  I found that other drivers of this
>same model would wave to me, and I waved back.  Maybe its because we
>were all driving a funny looking vehicle?
>
No, it is more because van drivers need a little support for driving
such underpowered pathetic and truly utilitarian vehicles.  Me and
my '71 used to wave and be waved at all across the country between
NH and CO.  Now that we live in So. Cal., though, I find you'd have
to damn near wave your arm off to keep up with all the van drivers!
This is truly vee-dub heaven.

peace,
Taffe

-- 
Mike Taffe	*  Disclaim This! 
mtaffe@ucsd.edu	*  

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105226
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <C5w18w.DpD@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
>
>"Eat the peach", two guys build a wall of death to alleviate boredom, get 
>mixed up with the IRA in the process.

   An excellent movie.  Not essentially about motorcycles, but
a very poignant look at life in rural Ireland.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105227
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Volvo Attack!

In article <BD.93Apr21150413@bd.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>
>>Where can I get rocket launchers for the VFR?
>
>BATF is having a fire sale in Waco, TX.  Try there.

   You might try the rec.models.rockets newsgroup.  Interesting stuff,
some of it should probably be classified as artillery.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105228
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

"Silver Dream Racer" -- Frustrated Brit club racer's buddy dies,
leaving him a built-in-garage "revolutionary, experimental" 500 GP bike.
Brit club racer uses machine to beat Bad American on Bad Japanese
Factory Bike at British GP.  Filmed at Silverstone, I believe.  Pretty
bad.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105229
From: Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Magnetic tank bags


What about disks?  Won't it erase them if you're carrying them in the bag?

-Cathy
***********************************************************
Cathy Saum ............................cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu 
1252 S. Negley Ave.#2................'82 Yamaha  SECA XJ650
Pgh, PA 15217................'73 CL450 (custom wooden tank) 
Studio:............................'64 1/2 Mustang (351 V8) 
(412)521-0363......DoD # supercalifragilisticexpealidotious        
*********************************************************** 
"What we see is what we know, but what we feel is who we are. What we
feel is what nobody can ever take away."                  
 -T.M. McNally
 UNTIL YOUR HEART STOPS


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105230
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (THE HYPEMAN)
Subject: ++ANY USED GSX-R 750s FOR SALE?++


I recently sold my Nighthawk in order to upgrade to a zippy little sport
bike.  I am, however, partial to the bigger zippy bikes like the GSX-R 750.

There is only one in my town for sale, and he is not sure whether he wants
to part with it or not!

Please send me email if you would like to sell yours, know of one for sale,
or could just offer details on the performance of yours even if you wouldn't
sell.

I appreciate any help!

THE HYPEMAN
-- 
1983 Pontiac 2000 SE   1986 Mercury Topaz GS    Looking for a bike!
    'BABY BOOOM'         'MRS. BABY BOOOM'        GSX-R 750/1100 ??
 UNDER MODIFICATION      Under Construction         CBR 600f2    ??SHE Likes!
       'HIS'                   'HERS'                VFR750F     ??

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105231
From: ma13scf@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Rhett Barnes)
Subject: ZX-11 Help!

I need help getting my ZX-11 (C3) to behave.  I've managed to get
the front suspension to be very happy, but the rear sucks.  I can't
do anything with it to make it feel ok.  The bike is very stable
through the corners (I think because I have the front just right),
but when the straights get bumpy the rear is torturous.  It feels
like it actually amplifies the bumps.  And the damping doesn't seem
to do anything in real-life, although you can tell the difference
when the bike isn't moving.  I've tried 4-5 cm of sag (from
completeley unloaded), but I don't know which way to go.  Has anyone
gotten the rear of this bike comfortable?  And if so, what kind of
settings (esp. what sag) did you use.  I like to corner, but I also
would like my kidneys to remain intact.  This thing makes the new
ZX-7 feel comfy....

rbarnes@sdcc13.ucsd.edu


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105232
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <13608@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>
>Since the occurance, I've paid many
>dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, 
>and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous
>assholes like yourself that think your SO above the
>rest of the world because you've never had your
>own little DD suaree.

Some of us aren't that fucking stupid you cock sucking asshole.  That's why
we haven't had our own little DD suaree.  I'm soo impressed that you've had
to spend your own precious little dollars  to make up for your own stupid
act.  Now go fuck off.



Friends killed by Drunk Driving Assholes like Andress Infante:  2
Children friends orphaned by Drunk Driving Assholes like Infante: 2



Now who's the self-righteous asshole, you weak willed fuck head?


>
-- 
I hate the 3B2
The 3B2 can bite me.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105233
From: mfox@nyx.cs.du.edu (mark fox)
Subject: Re: Battery storage -- why not charge and store dry?


     Quite right, your batteries should be perfectly alright and retain
most of their charge if drained and dried well, but I'd throw out the
electrolyte and buy some more when you need it.


     And before anyone says I'm wrong, remember that new batteries almost
always come ready charged and dry, and they are perfectly OK even after
several years' storage at the shop.

Mark Fox


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105234
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

Allan Hatcher (ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu) wrote:
: Well, here goes.  After lurking for a LONG time, I'll announce myself. Yes, I'm
: the enemy. The enemy that also happens to ride an "arrest me red" 90 VFR. 

I don't generally consider police officers "the enemy".  I hope you don't
think bikers in general have that attitude.  Stereotypes suck either way.

:  I'll entertain questions but my answers will reflect Georgia law and may not   
:  apply in your state.  
:   
:   P.S.  Anyone got a Nomex suit for sale?

You shouldn't get flamed for being a cop.  I can't promise you won't because
there are jerks on this newsgroup same as any other, but if you've been 
lurking for a while you already know that.  You might get lots of flames
if you try to convince people that you know more than them just because you
have a badge.  And of course, you will get a moderate amount of flamage
just for expressing an opinion, no matter what the opinion is *somebody*
will flame you for it.
   So, have you ordered any official DoD paraphenalia yet?  Wristwatch,
bandana, patches?  Tell your boss your going undercover with a real
badass biker gang. :-)
--
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* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105235
From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (RPH)
Subject: Re: Dyna-S vs. Crane

In article <C5qpzo.HDq@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:

> I plan to switch to a single fire ignition in about a month and was
> curious if anyone has experience with the supposedly new Crane single
> fire that competes with the Dyna-S.  The club wrench (not the wench) has
> done Dyna-S modules for several friends and I'll get one also unless
> a bunch of folks say the Crane is better.
> 
> One guy just installed the MC Power Arc ignition but has not yet
> reported the results.  It was not a simple bolt-in replacement as new 
> mounting holes had to be drilled.
> 
> I recognize it's more fun to discuss why Chris needed to change brands of
> penis enhancer but how 'bout some comments on single fire ignitions for
> a while...

I just installed a MC Power Arc II, and it seems to run great. I also
used MC coils, and neither the ignition module or the coils required
any new mounting holes to be drilled on my 92 FXSTC. A little soldering
and all was fine. Static timing was real easy to set too. 

On the other side of the coin, my local wrench, whose opinion I
invariably seek but don't always adopt, thinks MC Power Arc is a "piece
of shit" and says "all them Jap chips are gonna fail you one day". 
Needless to say, he doesn't like any electronic ignition modules, and
recommends the Dyna-S system. I think that's the one with the
Hall-effect timing sensor(s), correct?

Russ Hughes  '92 FXSTC  DoD# 6022(10E20)
"the chrome and steel she rides.....collidin' with the very air she
breathes..."
              -- N. Young 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105236
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>

In article <1993Apr20.045032.9199@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.204159.17534@bnr.ca> Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca> writes:
>>Reminds me of a great editorial by Bruce Reeve a couple months ago
>>in Cycle Canada.
>>
>>He was so pissed off with cops pulling over speeders in dangerous
>>spots (and often blind corners) that one day he decided to get
>>revenge.
>>
>>Cruising on a factory loaner ZZR1100 test bike, he noticed a cop 
>>had pulled over a motorist on an on or off ramp with almost no
>>shoulder.  Being a bright lad, he hit his bike's kill switch
>>just before passing the cop, who happened to be bending towards
>>the offending motorist there-by exposing his glutes to the
>>passing world.
>>
>>With his ignition system now dead, he pumped his throtle two
>>or three times to fill his exhaust canister's with volatile raw fuel.
>>
>>All it took was a stab at the kill switch to re-light the ignition
>>and send a 10' flame in Sargeant Swell's direction.
>>
>>I wonder if any cycle cops read Cycle Canada?
>
>	Although I agree with the spirit of the action, I do hope that
>the rider ponied up the $800 or so it takes to replace the exhaust system
>he just destroyed.  The owner's manual explicitly warns against such
>behavior for exactly that reason:  you can destroy your muflers that way.

One more good reason for straight pipes or megaphones;-)

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350

Ps: Does anyone know if Opti oils sells direct by the case load?
My loacl dealership is charging 12.99 for a jug of injector oil,
and it's breaking me;-)

-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105237
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <13714@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
wrote:
> >	My /5 will do wheelies because it's a chain drive model.   
> >
> 
> Wow, is that custom made?

	No, it is the stock setup.  Someone really ought to put an end
	to the confusion regarding BMW's chain drive boxers.  Didn't
	someone post the FAQ on this some time ago?  In essence, it
	describes the problem BMW is having with their decision to
	settle down to a shaft drive as a standard.  They vacilate
	and persist in reintroducing the chain drive in various
	models.  (R/C)  Gosh.  Well, on with the crusade!

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105238
Subject: Re: Zeno's Countersteering Paradox Unveiled!!!
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <1993Apr26.002631.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu>,
mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu wrote:
> 
>[...]  Therefore, there is a point
> in time when even though my front wheel is turned to the right 
> I must be going straight ahead (the point when I go from the right
> turn to the left).  [...]

	What you are trying to describe is that transition point where
	the front wheel actually reverses direction; turns backwards.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105239
From: nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby)
Subject: Re: Two Beemer Questions (R80GS)

In article <1993Apr23.224045.22287@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
>Hello Folks,
>
>I'm very happy with my "new" R80GS.  My range is 238 miles on 4.8 gallons...
>that's 50 mpg!!  Surprisingly, the bike is a real cruiser.  I was expecting
>something rough.   She's a sweet backroad honey.  And I can go pretty much
>anyplace I'd take my mountain bike.  As far as shaft effect, it's more a 
>torque effect from the crankshaft in my opinion.  Rev it sitting still
>(when the driveshaft is not moving) and the bike twists a bit.  Maybe

If the clutch is in, then a large chunk of counter-rotating mass is not
rotating.  Hence, at a light, reving makes it twist.  Shaft effect is the
rear end rising under power or (the real problem) getting lower to the road
when the throttle is snapped shut (say when you are cornering and the heads
are real close to the road).  New GS bikes with the paralever shaft have
almost no shaft effect.

>I don't ride her fast enough to get a shaft effect, but in my opinion
>a little buffeting by wind is of far greater consequence.  Okay, here are 
>my questions:
>
>1) Any recommendations for a home-made fairing?  I'd like to keep the
>wind off my chest, and perhaps my helmet, for comfort at highway speeds
>(70 mph), yet don't want to (a) screw up the stability or (b) block my
>vision too much for trail riding.  Anybody have luck with two-piece 
>detachible fairings?  I'd like to make it myself out of plexiglas.

>2) I run two lights, the standard headlamp plus a sidelamp mounted on the
>crash bar.  The illumination's excellent that way, with a full beam coming
>out from the level of the motor (left side); the lamp beam is linear so
>that you get a bright streak of illumination from left to right, and it 
>really picks up the periphery (deer lurking, etc.)  Combined with the 
>headlamp on high you can see like day.  But I've heard that BMW alternators
>don't crank out too much.  Do I need to shut down the sidelamp when I'm
>puttering around in the dirt at low RPM?  

It's a question of how long you spend at low RPM and how much you need the
extra light.  At low RPM, 3K and under, they don't charge all that much if
at all.  The alternators put out sufficient wattage, it just that you need
to be at 4K RPM to get it.  

>3) This is embarassing: I'm having trouble starting the bike first thing
>in the morning.  I invariably flood the carbs, then go in and read a section
>of the paper, and then she starts right up.  Is this a Zen thing? 

Full choke.  Open the gas taps.  Hit the starter and ever so slightly blip the
throttle.  It should fire.  Cranking should be done with minimal throttle.
My R100 likes the throttles to be raised just a bit off idle.

It's an EXPERIENCE thing.  Like Zen, it's hard to describe.  It can be hard
to learn if you aren't paying atttention to the differences between success
and failure.  Especially if you get really pissed off and flatten the
battery while trying to get it to run.

If my bike has been sitting for a few weeks, I give it a short while to
start.  If it doesn't, I turn it off and wait a few minutes for things to
vaporize in the fuel system and then it lights right off.  I've got dual
plugs which make it easier to start.

>4) The Hayne's manual says do not under any circumstances use gasoline
>with alcohol additives... Yeah, right.  What do you folks due to keep
>the engine and carbs from being eaten by ethanol and methanol?  Any 
>particular brands of gas that are best?  Additives?

The BIG fix is the Bing carb upgrade kit.  It's good for a few MPG and the
parts are alcohol proof.  The parts it replaces aren't alcohol proof.  As
long as the bike isn't going to sit for long periods of time, gasohol is
nice since it helps keep ping away.  If your bike doesn't ping on cheap gas
you ought to raise the compression! (Half a smiley, the BMW twins of the
80s and beyond have lowered compression to keep the EPA happy.  Dual plugs
and higher compression give back a big chunk of the lost perfomance).

Neil Kirby      DoD #0783       nak@archie.cbusa.att.com
AT&T Bell Labs  Columbus OH     USA (614) 860-5304
If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105240
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article 2266@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>> 
>
>Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
>but I've never actually done it.

Neigh on every day.  Most don't notice.

>Let's see how many posts it takes for someone to selectively quote this article

In article 2266@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>
>Has anyone,  ever  done it?

What do I win?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105241
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for

In article i8n@agate.berkeley.edu, manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
>
>>Motorcycles are not allowed on th 17 mile drive at pebble Beach.
>
>what?
>
>are there posted signs?
>
>what do they cite you for?

They don't.  It's a closed access road, you pay to get in (if you don't
have a resident sticker), and they simply don't open the gates if
you're on a bike.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105242
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article 210493143813@moustic.lbl.gov, jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>> 
>> Recently,
>> the Highway Patrol took a few of the opposition Senators out and gave
>> them some shots, and when they hit .07, put them on a course dodging
>> cones.  They failed, and will probably change their votes as a result.
>
>	    Did they try to do the course before having a few drinks ?

Dunno, the newpaper article I read didn't say (I was wondering the same
thing).  I rather doubt it... 


---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105243
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <735660736snz@morgan.demon.co.uk>, tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony
Kidson) wrote:
> 
> Well maintained chains, running in oil, without those little rubber 'O' rings 
> to cause frictional losses, might reach 99% efficiency.  The average open to 
> the dust 'O' ring motorcycle chain probably has a difficult job making 90% 
> efficient.
> 

	How about some citations or is this just impressionistic speculation
	on your part?

 For 30 years I've been laboring under the delusion that chain drives
	were more efficient that shaft drives.  Chain drives are also stronger.
	(Ever seen a successful shaftie dragster?  No.)

	No flames, please!  I've got both kinds of drives.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105244
Subject: Re: Ignition problem 
From: manolo@taf.fundesco.es (Manuel.Arrevola)

snark@bmerh327.BNR.CA (Eric Nelson) writes:
: My 83 Nighthawk has two (related?) problems with the ignition system:
: 
:   - it won't start when on cold mornings ( 10 C, 50 F or so)
:   - I always need to give it gas when starting it, even when using
:     the clutch.
: 
:   This all still happens after a tune-up and a new battery, 
:   any ideas on what could be wrong with the bike?

I think you have the choke (starter) jet blocked and even the idle one.
--
Manuel Arrevola Velasco			||| e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es |||
Fundesco				ZX-11
Calle Alcala, 61			DR-600-S
28014-Madrid				DoD #1033
Tel. 341-4351214			"Don't waste your time, express it"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105245
From: wba2320@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: 1st time Biker iso ADVICE


I'm just starting out with motorcycles,  I've read up on the subject a bit,
talked to many of my friends who own/ride bikes and encourage me to do the
same.  But when I ask about what kind of bike i should be looking at... i get
varied answers.


I'm 6'3", about 230#, large/athletic build...  I suppose that would help to
determine the size bike i'd want.  I want something that's going to be fast and
powerful enough to satisfy certain cravings once i'm used to it.  I also want
something that is not going to be like a bronc my first time out.  Any ideas?!  




Bill

replys are prefered through e-mail.  thanks in advance.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105246
From: nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby)
Subject: Re: VFR + ST11 Owners get hidden feature

WARNING WARNING MAY CAUSE UNPLEASANTNESS!

In article <C61r0B.C7@world.std.com> daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) writes:
> I was enjoying lunch this saturday at foodies in Milford NH with an assortment
>of other nedod folks when Dean Cookson ( yes he has not left the 
>country, yet) mentioned that the wiring diagram of the VFR750 
>shows that  the light switch is a three position switch. 
>
>high beam
>low beam
>Both beams
>
>
>Well the actual ergonomics of the switch make it appear to be a
>2 position switch, but sure enough as Deam expected , when
>you balance the toggle switch in the center position both the high
>and low beams go on.
>
>This provides a very nice light coverage of the
>road.
>
>This is true for the St11 and the VFR750 and I would expect for any 
>other late model Honda with the standard two position light switch.
>

It's a "make before break" type of switch.  If not required, it ought to be
for high-low beams.  

There might be a wee problem with this.  If you use both filaments at the
same time, the bulb is tossing out a great deal more heat than normal.
Possibly enough to shorten it's life span.  My Honda CRX cage [a cage that
really wanted to be a bike] had wimpy stock lights.  So we used to run
around with both beams on.  Made a mucho big difference - until both low
beam filaments died nearly simultaneously!  This was two weeks after
finding out how nice it was to use both beams.  I replaced the lights with
quartz-halogen lights and that ended the problem.

Neil Kirby      DoD #0783       nak@archie.cbusa.att.com
AT&T Bell Labs  Columbus OH     USA (614) 860-5304
If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105247
From: james@mintaka.sdsu.edu (Michael James)
Subject: **Suzuki GR650 for sale**

[ Article crossposted from sdnet.forsale,rec.motocycle ]
[ Author was Michael James ]
[ Posted on 21 Apr 1993 15:39:50 GMT ]


I must sell my motorcycle...:(  it is a '83 GR650, Tempter.
It has 20K miles and runs well.  
Includes a cover and tank bag..

I'm asking $700 for it all. 

E-mail me if you want to take a look at it.

--
********************************************************************************  Michael James                   james@mintaka.sdsu.edu         
  PA-128			  	594-2469 
  					294-9845(H)	
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--
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	Michael James				james@mintaka.sdsu.edu
	PA-128					594-2469
	(still no neat .sig -- oh well.)
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105248
From: eerik@iastate.edu (Eerik J. Villberg)
Subject: Re: What octane ?

What about ethanol?  It's available here in corn country and its octane is
rated at 89 or 90 and costs the same as "normal" 87 octane.

-- 
Eerik J. Villberg                     **  P people for the
eerik@iastate.edu                     **  E eating of
4208 Harris Street                    **  T tasty
Ames Ia  50010                        **  A animals

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105249
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In <3880218@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:

>/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu /  2:48 pm  Apr 19, 1993 /
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

>Mike Terry
>'82 Virago
>----------
>I've seen 'em, but the real question is, can one do a wheelie on a Lead Wing?
>If so, how high would the front wheel be off the ground? 

>Graeme Harrison 

  There was a guy around here who would do them on an early pre fairing
Wing with a Hannigan. He would get it right up and ride a ways. Pretty
intimidating sight. 

  He was real good. He had to be. I guess you wouldn't get away with
chopping the throttle more than once.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       














Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105250
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

Victor Johnson, on the Thu, 22 Apr 1993 00:01:10 GMT wibbled:
: In rec.motorcycles, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

: > In article <C5sK1D.C1p@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
: > }Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
: > 
: > So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT.
: > -- 

:   That's because they took the old VT 500 engine and stepped on it to make
:   the plant for the Hawk -> "New Twin".  Or does that only fly for Microsoft
:   NT (New Technology)?

:   I've been at this too long today ...

:   Cheers,
:   Victor "Dances with Hawks" Johnson
:   ----------------------------------


Also the BMW stuff.  K100RS.  K = Kraut, RS = Really Slow,  100, I
suppose that's how much you have to spend each week to keep the damn
thing on the road.
--

Nick (the Pissed Off With His Bike Again Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
                                   (-

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105251
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Dogs vs. Bikes


My first encounter with a dog chasing after my bike was on my first poker run.
A big german shepard ran out into the pack of bikes I was riding with and tried 
to bite the right leg of the guy riding in front of me. He kicked the dog a 
couple of times (we were all only going about 10-15mph) and just made the dog
angrier and got away by applying WFO and outrunning the dog who then started
after yours truly. At the time, I had open drag pipes (obnoxiously loud as hell)
and as soon as the dog was about 2 feet away from the right side of my bike, I
pulled in the clutch and revved the motor up to about 5000rpm and the roar of
the pipes frightened the dog away (probably made the dog's ears hurt like hell)
and he didn't come back for the rest of the bikers behind me either. 

My second encounter was with an already deceased road-kill dog. I wasn't paying 
very close attention to the pavement when the car in front of me straddled the
carcass. I looked down just in time to see what I was about to run over so I 
just held onto the handlebars and freaked out. Both wheels went squarely over
the dog's belly with a thump-thump just like running over a piece of a 4x4
lumber. The bike didn't lose any stability at all and I kept on going. After
I got to my destination, I found bits of fur, meat, and blood stuck to
the bottom of my motor and frame...... gross.
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
	      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105252
From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: DoD Confessional

In article <1993Apr21.053721.551@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>I can't help myself.
>I've tried to be rational, 
>to look the other way,
>but everytime it happens, 
>its uncontrollable.
>
>I hate pre'80s motorcycles.
>
 crud deleted... 
>-- 
>===================================================
>= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
>= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
>= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
>===================================================

You are missing out on a lot of neat old rides.
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"     CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75/6)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105253
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: where to put your helmet

In article <10498.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
|
|Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. If
|you own a typical standard or other bike with fairly average mirrors
|that screw into your handlebars, your helmet should fit over your mirror
|and be fairly stable. 

BUTT, BUTT, THEN YU W0NT BE ABLE T0 $EE THE CAR$ $NEAK!G UP BEHIND YU AND
P0P A WHHHEEEEELLLLEEEEE T0 D!TCHUM AND THE CHICK$ DIG IT!

Seriously, though, putting a helmet on a mirror is inadvisable because
you are then resting the weight of the helmet on the fragile foam
liner that is expected to cushion your noggin.  And once crushed, that
foam never pops back.

A variation of mirror hanging thing is what I do; with the bike on the
sidestand (hey, the centerstand is for maintenance) I turn the wheel to
the stop (left) and can hang the helmet by the chin-bar on the right
grip.  There is no crushable foam in the chin-bar, and it is pretty
secure on there (as long as the forks are locked).  If I have to leave
the helmet with the parked bike (and the bags aren't on/full), that is
about the most stable place.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105254
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>


Hey, the Lone Biker of the Apocalypse (see Raising Arizona) had flames coming
out of both his exhaust pipes. I love to toggle the kill switch on my Sportster
to produce flaming backfires, especially underneath overpasses at night (it's
loud and lights up the whole underpass!!!
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
	      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105255
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: funny thing happened on the way to the hon

In article 0@elan.rowan.edu, cassidy@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy) writes:
>...and i see that for the past 30 miles 
>i've been riding with my side stand down. OOPS!

And who was it that insisted sidestand cutout switches were right up
there with tachometers, something like a curse from God?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105256
From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <C5qIwz.DJM@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>
>The only consolation was that she had trouble scraping together the $35
>while $500 is not quite one week's beer money for me...
>
>- Roid

	Well know I know how you can afford a Harley.

-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
AMA			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105257
From: gea4@quads.uchicago.edu (gerardo enrique arnaez)
Subject: which is the better bike?


I am looking at the honda shadow 11000 and the intruder 800 or 1400? what have you heard about these bikes?

also, if I plan on doing long-time riding are these twin-V cruisers the best bikes to get, if I dont want something massive like the goldwings?



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105258
From: rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz)
Subject: Re: '93 Wing Ding?


>>>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 1993 22:22:06 GMT, franks@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Derek Franks) said:

franks> This is my first post, so no DoD#.

Would you like to know what DOD is?  If you do, feel free to ask.

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| Fill up your  |             rtaraz@wpi.wpi.edu                /  Is today \ |
|   tank and    |                 1988 EX500                    | a good day| |
| go for a ride |    DOD # 0740  ||  Taurus PT-92AF             \  to die?  / |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105259
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1r6ob9$oav@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
[...]
>And of course, you will get a moderate amount of flamage
>just for expressing an opinion, no matter what the opinion is *somebody*
>will flame you for it.
[...]
>* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
[...]

"Hey, what the hell do you mean by that?  You suck.  I have a god-given
right to express opinions, carry a gun and to not wear a helmet, goddamn 
it. Everything you stand for is STUPID."




You know, Alan, I really like this one.


-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105260
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

In article 29910@rtsg.mot.com, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>
>Well, as many a bored bike tourer can tell you, the way to steer
>sans hans is to push your body off to the side you want to lean.

Also known as, "leaning."

>Say you want to turn left....
[severely confused rambling about the ground pushing...] 
>but the front wheel has trail.  If the ground pushes the front wheel 
>toward the left at the contact patch, the trail will cause the 
>wheel to turn to the right.  Hey, there we are.  No-hands counter-
>steering.

Contersteering refers to pushing the inside handlebar to effect a
lean.  No-hands countersteering is an oxymoron.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105261
From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (RPH)
Subject: Bub Pipes! Live Free, with Variable Loudness!

After failing my State of New Hampshire Noise Gestapo test with my HD
Slash cut pipes I installed my new Bubs (which I had been planning to
do anyway), went to a different in spection station, and passed with no
problem at about 97 dB.

Two points:

First, I don't think the first dude did the noise test correctly. 
Holding the meter close to his body probably caused a high reading, and
doing it inside the garage with the door closed undoubtedly enhanced
the dB level! So if any other NH riders need to get this done, make
sure the inspection is done outdoors with the meter held well away from
the body.

Second, these Bub pipes are bloody terrific. At low revs or cruising
through town, they as quiet as the stock pipes, but have a sound thats
a more throaty, purring, rumble.  When you open her up to >3000 RPM
they emit a wonderfully satisfying rumbling roar. Best of both worlds!

Russ Hughes  '92 FXSTC  DoD# 6022(10E20)
"the chrome and steel she rides.....collidin' with the very air she
breathes..."
              -- N. Young 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105262
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <1993Apr21.234006.1627@microsoft.com> patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery) writes:
>Also, remember that it's much more draining and tiring to ride 2-up
>than by yourself, because you're concentrating on much more, and
>"in the Zen of the moment" less.  Remember this.

The first few times I pillioned someone whose safety was a great concern to
me (as opposed to brothers, etc.), I almost got us both killed on several
occasions.

I was surprised to discover that it is much safer to just drive than to
distract yourself by trying to be unusually cautious and concerned.  Abruptly
adopting a novel set of thought patterns and riding strategies while piloting
a bike is just asking for trouble.



-- 
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  Michael Robinson                          UUCP:   ucbvax!cogsci!robinson
                                        INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105263
From: aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr)
Subject: Re: Yamaha vs Honda opinions


In a previous article, phj@remus.rutgers.edu (P. Ju) says:

>nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes:
>
>A friend of mine (who's probably reading this right now) just bought a new
>Yamaha Virago 750.  After spending 1-2 hours very late one chilly evening
>watching him struggle with the bolts (had to remove the right peg, loosen
>the brake pedal, &c. &c.) I've pretty much decided never to get this
>particular model unless he or someone else wants to change the oil/filter
>for me.  Compared to the 5-minute change he was used to for his Honda, this
>is just a design flaw/oversight in my eyes.
>
>
>Patricia
>phj@remus.rutgers.edu
>
Sure don't know what bike was being worked on but it sure wasn't a
Virago.  I've owned both the 750 and 1100 and you can do the filter
change in about 5 mins and nothing has to be removed.  Obviously the
"new" bike was modified as the stock machine is simple to work on.
  Watching for imitators!!
-- 
Lloyd  -- aa963@freenet.carleton.ca
  Carr -- carr@uranus.dgrc.doc.ca     DoD # 0814  
 ve3fhc@ve3osq.amrp.org.#eon.on.can.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105380
From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)
Subject: Re: Battery storage -- why not charge and store dry?

In Article <1993Apr22.184906.24025@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> "mfox@nyx.cs.du.edu (mark fox)" says:
> 
>      Quite right, your batteries should be perfectly alright and retain
> most of their charge if drained and dried well, but I'd throw out the
> electrolyte and buy some more when you need it.
> 
> 
>      And before anyone says I'm wrong, remember that new batteries almost
> always come ready charged and dry, and they are perfectly OK even after
> several years' storage at the shop.
> 
> Mark Fox
> 
> 
Makes sense to me, after all when steel is manufactured and stored they
put oil on it so it won't rust. Logicaly, when you store your bike, you
must strip the paint and put oil on the metal to prevent rus

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105381
From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)
Subject: 1988 BMW K75S For Sale

3500 miles, black leather tank bra, tank bag, Corbin seat, Metzler 'B'
tires.  Garaged and pampered.  I can't afford to continue paying NYC garage
fees for two bikes so one of 'em has to go.

Best offer above $4500 takes it.

-- 
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates				   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105517
From: azw@aber.ac.uk(Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: dogs


>OOOOOOOpsssss. For a second there I thought I was in rec.beatthelivingcrapoutofadog

We're NOT???! Hell, I was wondering why there was all the pointless woffle 
about motorcycles. 

So how do I find rec.beatthelivingcrapoutofadog? I dont think our system
takes it.




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105558
From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias)
Subject: Re: Advantages of Slip-Ons

In article <1993Apr26.222354.6397@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> dschlot@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Dave Schlotthauer) writes:
>Quick question:
>
>What are the advantages of slip-on's versus your stock exhaust versus
>aftermarket exhaust systems? I don't see many people using slip-on's
>but they are heavily advertised and half as expensive.
>
>Thanks!
>Dave
>

Cost is lower than OEM replacements and they weigh less. Also, in most 
instances you do not have to rejet the carburetors to get a little more 
performance. I replaced my OEM canister with an Ontario systems slip on.
The mid-range performance is better but I also notice a slight stumble at 
2-3K rpm. After talking to Kaz Yoshima, the developer and manufacturer of 
the slip on, he thinks I might need larger pilot, idle, jets. Was not suppose
to but maybe where I live makes a difference. Altitude, barometric pressure...
Anyway, besides that minor glitch, I like the slip on performance and the sound,
which is louder than stock, but not loud enough to annoy folks. The Ontario 
slip on use some sort of sound baffling technique to reduce the sound at full 
throttle.

Just remember, every bike is a tuned system. When you change the intake or
exhaust characteristics beyond the allowable delta of the manufacturer, you may
have to change other areas to compensate. Like a complete change of the exhaust
system, header and muffler, changes the exhaust characteristic to the point
which re-jetting is required to compensate for the new engine breathing/pumping
profile.

Talk with the folks who make the slip on you intend to use and ask them if
they have used it on your particular bike. Check with people who have the
system also to see what they think about there slip on.

Also, as a last data point, in Sport Rider's first issue, did a review on a
group of header and exhaust systems for the CBR600F2. They also included, as a 
side bar, the Ontario slip on, the Dyno showed an increase from stock of 5bhp at
the rear wheel, 85 verses 91. 

Buyer beware, of outrageous claimed increases in horse power! It may have been 
true in the past, but not today!

AT
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                              / ~     ~ \
                              |[0]---[0] |
   ===============================| |===================================
  _|___                           |_|        1991 CBR600F2          ___|_
 (_____) Allen Tobias           Technical    email:                (_____)
 (_____) Convex Computer Corp.  Marketing    tobias@convex.com     (_____)
 (_____) 3000 Waterview Parkway                                    (_____)
 (___)   Richardson, TX 75083                                        (___)
   =====================================================================
     "This bike is awesome and I'm fearless. Let's go."--Jay Gleason


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105559
From: M. Burnham <markb@wc.novell.com>
Subject: Re: Advantages of Slip-Ons

In article <1rigoj$isl@apple.com> Paul Thompson, thompson@apple.com writes:
>It sure would be nice if someone would start making replacements
>for OEM exhausts that were would be cheaper but not louder...

I read about a SuperTrapp system called E.A.R that was supposed to be
quiet enough to pass some European standards.  Apparently it's not
on the market yet...

Yoshimura makes a few systems that are supposed to be "kind of" quiet.
They are also really light.  I'm planning on getting one of these 
systems soon, and will post the results.

- Mark
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966  DoD#0747 
Alfa Romeo GTV-6                             '90 Ninja 750
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105560
From: cassidy@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Subject: funny thing happened at the DMV the other day....


i saw this posted and it brings an interesting event to mind .....


In article <mdennie.735508147@beryllium> mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
>
>The reactions of little boys seems to be the most enthusiastic to
>a wave (and also good to see).  I always wave when I see a kid that
>has at least noticed my bike.  I figure it helps the future of the
>sport.
>
>I have to admit that I usually try to do so without the "parental
>figure" noticing - I`m afraid that the kid will get yelled at for
>associatign with anti-societal types like us.
>

a few weeks ago i was in the DMV with ken. i was standing in a mile long 
line waiting for some really bored looking person to fleece a bunch of 
people from some dough. ken was sitting on a chair next to our helmets 
wondering why everybody there looked to be about the social calibur of 
people you would find at a laundromat when some young woman walked in who 
required our conferring attentions. he came over and stood in line with me 
while we watched her fill out some forms and then we noticed a little kid 
about 4 years old reach over the bench and touch our helmets, one at a time. 
i didn't particularly mind, and neither did ken (that the kid was touching 
our helmets that is). but the helmets weren't on the most stable of 
platforms, so ken scooted over there to resettle them and as soon as he 
touched the helmets, mother of said child started shrieking at her kid "YOU 
STAY AWAY FROM THOSE YOU SHIT!" and whopped the tyke brutally about the head 
and shoulders.

i suppose it was our scary "sex drugs and unix" t-shirts that sent such 
bouts of terror through her body. 


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105561
From: hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Subject: Re: story & respect

In article <1993Apr23.220259.12375@Pacesetter.COM> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>>Nudity, fine...loud noise, fine...party all night, fine... but at the right
>>place and time.  Please, let's not trample over other's rights and then bitch
>>because they don't treat us like gods.
>>
>>Michael Menard
>
> You know, I wasn't EVEN going to respond to this typical anti-party
>attitude message. Trash was everywhere - reason? Not enough dipsy
>dumpsters for the massive crowd. Oatman wasn't prepared for the vast
>number of PEOPLE that showed up.

I don't think Michael's response was anti-party but rather pro-environmental.
I agree that you gotta let us Hogs out to roam every once in awhile.  Let's
hope that next year Oatman will be better prepared and that we all pick up
after ourselves.

>an asshole. I've already admitted I'm an asshole many times on the net.
>All my friends are assholes too (lyrics to a new song?). So, you want a
>dime to call someone that cares?

Well, I for one thought you told a good story, even if you say you are an
a**hole!:-) We need more biker experiances written to news.  It's unfortunate
that you got flamed for telling it, but we all know this is a controversial
group.

At any rate, keep up the good work and continue to post stories.

- Jerry ('93 FXDL)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105563
From: rmt@pioneer.net.com (Richard Tweedie)
Subject: Re: Touring the southwest

In article <907F3B3w164w@fatcity.cts.com> kim@fatcity.cts.com (Kim Sharpe) writes:
>A few of us are touring Sothwest Utah in mid June to see the Canyons.\
>Do any of you have some helpful hints on where to stay or
>things to see/do/avoid.  Plans are to see Bryce, Zion, Arches.
>Is the Grand close at that point or is an additional trip required?
>Any help would be nice.  Thank you for your support.
>
>-- 
No, the Grand canyon is not too far away.  Short side trips to Kolob
(between Cedar City and Hurricane) and Pipe Springs (on the way from
Hurricane to the Grand Canyon) may be interesting--they are right
off the highway.  Pipe Springs (a small fort) gives you real insight
into just how the pioneers lived.  You have missed one major must
see attraction--Cedar Breaks in the mountains above cedar city.
Take lots of film--they have a reason for calling this kodachrome
country.  Natural Bridges in the four corners area is also very
scenic, but may be too far off your route.  Monument valley is
spectacular, but again may be too far away.

Rich Tweedie


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105564
From: crucej@osshe.edu (Jerry Cruce)
Subject: Re: Inner tube in tyre... Safe ?

Speedy Mercer (speedy@engr.latech.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Apr27.133202.3934@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:

: >Hello DoD'ers et al.,

: >I need some advice on inner tubes in tubeless tyres. 
: >       Barry Manor DoD# 620

: Spend the bucks and get a new tire. 

:  ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----


I second the commend from Dr. Speed, get a new tire.  It's like your
brakes, something you don't want to take chances with.  I waited too long
to take care of my front tire once and it went flat on me, doing 70 MPH
going down the grapevine towards Bakersfield.  At that instance, I would
of given any amount of money for a new tire.  I'm lucky to be here.

	Jerry

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105661
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Info on Sport-Cruisers 

In article <4foNhvm00WB4E5hUxB@andrew.cmu.edu> jae+@CMU.EDU writes:

>I'm looking for a sport-cruiser - factory installed fairings (
>full/half ), hard saddle bags, 750cc and above, and all that and still
>has that sporty look.
>
>I particularly like the R100RS and K75 RT or S, or any of the K series
>BMW bikes.
>
>I was wondering if there are any other comparable type bikes being
>produced by companies other than BMW.


The Honda ST1100 was designed by Honda in Germany, originally for the 
European market, as competition for the BMW 'K' series.  Check it out.

Tony

+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 105662
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers)
Subject: Re: Misc./buying info. needed

In article <1993Apr18.160449.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how
>to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?

_Cycle World_ puts one out, but I'm sure it's not very objective.  Try talking
with dealers and the people that hang out there, as well as us.  We love to
give advice.

>Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?

Most of the bigger banks have a blue book which includes motos -- ask for the
one with RVs in it.

>Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc?

Couldn't help you here.

>Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?

You're reading it.

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|        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II (Tem)       |
|                                                                          |
|   "the female body is a beautiful work of art, while the male body       |
|    is lumpy and hairy and should not be seen by the light of day."       |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
document_id: 72052
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Accident report

In article <1992Jun25.132424.20760@prl.philips.nl>, mcardle@prl.philips.nl (Owen McArdle) writes...
>In article <ranck.253@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu> ranck@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>--In article <1992Jun23.214330.18592@bcrka451.bnr.ca> whitton@bnr.ca (Mark Whitton) writes:
>--
>-->It turns out that the trailer lights were not hooked up
>-->to the truck.  
>--
>--Yep, basic rule: *Never* expect or believe turn signals completely.
>--Around here, and many other places, people just don't signal at all.
>--And, sometimes the signals aren't working.  Sometimes they get left on.
> 
>	The scary bit about this is the is the non-availability of rear-
>lights at all. Now living in the Netherlands I've learned that the only
>reliable indicators are those red ones which go on at both sides at once -
>some people call them brake lights. Once they light up, expect ANYTHING
>to occur in front of you :-). (It's not just the Dutch though)
> 
>	However I never realised how much I relied on this until I got 
>caught a few times behind someone whose lights didn't work AT ALL. Once 
>I'd sussed it out it wasn't so bad (knowing it is half the battle), but 
>it's a great way to find out that you've been following someone too 
>closely :-). Now I try to check for lights all the time, 'cos that split 
>second can make all the difference (though it shouldn't be necessary, I 
>know),
> 
>Owen.
	What used to peeve me in Canada was the cars with bloody _red_ rear
indicators.  You'd see a single red light come on and think, "Now, is he
stopping but one brake-lamp is not working, or does he have those dumb bloody
_red_ rear indicators?"  This being Survival 101, you have to assume he's
braking and take the appropriate actions, until such time as the light goes
out and on again, after which you can be reasonably certain it's a bloody _red_
rear indicator.

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 101725
Subject: Re: Lexan Polish?
From: jeff@mri.com (Jonathan Jefferies)

In article <C41soE.M62@ns1.nodak.edu> wilken@plains.NoDak.edu (Scott Wilken) writes:
>A couple of years ago I replaced the stock windscreen on my Interceptor
>with a higher one from National Cycle.  The thing happens to be made of
>Lexan.
>
>Can anyone recommend a polish to use on it that is safe for lexan?  Its
>starting to show a few scratches, and id like to polish them out..
>Go FAST!            |  Internet:  wilken@plains.nodak.edu   |     AMA #587126 
>Take Chances!       |     UUCP: ..!uunet!plains!wilken      |     DoD #0087 
>VF700F Interceptor  |        Bitnet:  WILKEN@PLAINS         |   

Suggest McQuires #1 plastic polish.  It will help somewhat but nothing 
will remove deep scratches without making it worse than it already is.
McQuires will do something for fine or light stuff.

Also suggest calling your local plastic shop.  In Calif. "TAP PLASTIC" is
a chain that carries most of what is needed for repair and sometimes
replacement of plastic bits.  Telephone in the Bay area is 415-962-8430.
I'm not sure how amenable they are to shipping.  I have found that they
have several excellent products for cleaning, and removing crap from
windscreens and face shields.  Also they have one called "lift-it" which
works real well in removing sticky stuffs such as adhessives from plastic
wihtout scratching same.

Luck,

Jonathan Jefferies, jeff@mri.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 102616
From: blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com (Dances With Bikers)
Subject: FAQ - What is the DoD?

This is a periodic posting intended to answer the Frequently Asked
Question: What is the DoD? It is posted the first of each month, with
an expiration time of over a month. Thus, unless your site's news
software is ill-mannered, this posting should always be available.
This WitDoDFAQ is crossposted to all four rec.motorcycles groups in an
attempt to catch most new users, and followups are directed to
rec.motorcycles.

Last changed 9-Feb-93 to add a message from the KotL, and a bit of
Halon.

			VERSION 1.1

This collection was originally assembled by Lissa Shoun, from the
original postings. With Lissa's permission, I have usurped the title of
KotWitDoDFAQ. Any corrections, additions, bribes, etc. should be aimed at
blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com.

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Contents:
How do I get a DoD number?	by Blaine Gardner	DoD #46
DoD "Road Rider" article	by Bruce Tanner		DoD #161
What is the DoD?		by John Sloan		DoD #11
The DoD Logo			by Chuck Rogers		DoD #3
The DoD  (this started it all)	by The Denizen of Doom	DoD #1
The DoD Anthem			by Jonathan Quist	DoD #94
Why you have to be killed	by Blaine Gardner	DoD #46
The rec.moto.photo.archive	courtesy of Bruce Tanner DoD #161
Patches? What patches?		by Blaine Gardner	DoD #46
Letter from the AMA museum      by Jim Rogers, Director DoD #395
The DoD Rules			by consensus
Other rec.moto resources	by various Keepers	DoD #misc
The rec.moto.reviews.archive	courtesy of Loki Jorgenson DoD #1210
Updated stats & rides info	by Ed Green (DoD #111) and others

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			How do I get a DoD number?

If the most Frequently Asked Question in rec.motorcycles is "What is the
DoD?", then the second most Frequently Asked Question must be "How do I
get a DoD number?" That is as simple as asking the Keeper of the List
(KotL, accept no substitue Keepers) for a number. If you're feeling
creative, and your favorite number hasn't been taken already, you can
make a request, subject to KotL approval. (Warning, non-numeric, non-
base-10 number requests are likely to earn a flame from the KotL. Not
that you won't get it, but you _will_ pay for it.)

Oh, and just one little, tiny suggestion. Ask the KotL in e-mail. You'll
just be playing the lightning rod for flames if you post to the whole
net, and you'll look like a clueless newbie too.

By now you're probably asking "So who's the KotL already?". Well, as
John Sloan notes below, that's about the only real "secret" left around
here, but a few (un)subtle hints can be divulged. First, it is not myself,
nor anyone mentioned by name in this posting (maybe :-), though John was
the original KotL. Second, in keeping with the true spirit of Unix, the
KotL's first name is only two letters long, and can be spelled entirely
with hexadecimal characters. (2.5, the KotL shares his name with a line-
oriented text utility.) Third, he has occasionally been seen posting
messages bestowing new DoD numbers (mostly to boneheads with "weenie
mailers"). Fourth, there is reason to suspect the KotL of being a
Dead-Head.

***************** Newsflash: A message from the KotL ******************

Once you have surmounted this intellectual pinnacle and electronically
groveled to the KotL, please keep in mind that the KotL does indeed
work for a living, and occasionally must pacify its boss by getting
something done.  Your request may languish in mailer queue for (gasp!)
days, perhaps even (horrors!) a week or two.  During such times of
economic activity on the part of the KotL's employers, sending yet
another copy of your request will not speed processing of the queue (it
just makes it longer, verification of this phenominon is left as an
excersize for the reader).  If you suspect mailer problems, at least
annotate subsequent requests with an indication that a former request
was submitted, lest you be assigned multiple numbers (what, you think
the KotL *memorizes* the list?!?).

***********************************************************************

One more thing, the KotL says that its telepathic powers aren't what
they used to be. So provide some information for the list, will ya?
The typical DoD List entry contains number, name, state/country, &
e-mail address. For example:

0111:Ed Green:CA:ed.green@East.Sun.COM

(PS: While John mentions below that net access and a bike are the only
requirements for DoD membership, that's not strictly true these days, as
there are a number of Denizens who lack one or both.)

Blaine (Dances With Bikers) Gardner   blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com

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            "Denizens of Doom", by Bruce Tanner (DoD 0161)

      [Road Rider, August 1991, reprinted with Bruce's permission]

There is a group of motorcyclists that gets together and does all the normal 
things that a bunch of bikers do.  They discuss motorcycles and  
motorcycling, beverages, cleaning fluids, baklavah, balaclava, caltrops,  
helmets, anti-fog shields, spine protectors, aerodynamics, three-angle valve
seats, bird hits, deer whistles, good restaurants, racing philosophy, 
traffic laws, tickets, corrosion control, personalities, puns, double 
entendres, culture, absence of culture, first rides and friendship.  They 
argue with each other and plan rides together.

The difference between this group and your local motorcycle club is that, 
although they get together just about everyday, most have never seen each 
other face to face.  The members of this group live all over the known world 
and communicate with each other electronically via computer.

The computers range from laptops to multi-million dollar computer centers;  
the people range from college and university students to high-tech industry 
professionals to public-access electronic bulletin-board users.  Currently, 
rec.motorcycles (pronounced "wreck-dot-motorcycles," it's the file name for 
the group's primary on-line "meeting place") carries about 2250 articles per 
month;  it is read by an estimated 29,000 people.  Most of the frequent 
posters belong to a motorcycle club, the Denizens of Doom, usually referred 
to as the DoD.

The DoD started when motorcyclist John R. Nickerson wrote a couple of 
parodies designed to poke fun at motorcycle stereotypes.  Fellow computer 
enthusiast Bruce Robinson posted these articles under the pen name, "Denizen 
of Doom."  A while later Chuck Rogers signed off as DoD nr. 0003 Keeper of 
the Flame.  Bruce was then designated DoD nr. 0002, retroactively and, of 
course, Nickerson, the originator of the parodies, was given DoD nr. 0001.

The idea of a motorcycle club with no organization, no meetings and no rules 
appealed to many, so John Sloan -- DoD nr. 0011 -- became Keeper of the 
List, issuing DoD numbers to anyone who wanted one.  To date there have been 
almost 400 memberships issued to people all over the United States and 
Canada, as well as Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, France, 
Germany, Norway and Finland.

Keeper of the List Sloan eventually designed a club patch.  The initial run 
of 300 patches sold out immediately.  The profits from this went to the 
American Motorcycle Heritage Foundation.  Another AMHF fund raiser -- 
selling Denizens of Doom pins to members -- was started by Arnie Skurow a 
few months later.  Again, the project was successful and the profits were 
donated to the foundation.  So far, the Denizens have contributed over $1500 
to the AMA museum.  A plaque in the name of the Denizens of Doom now hangs 
in the Motorcycle Heritage Museum.

As often as possible, the DoD'ers crawl out from behind their CRTs and go 
riding together.  It turns out that the two largest concentrations of 
DoD'ers are centered near Denver/Boulder, Colorado, and in California's 
"Silicon Valley."  Consequently, two major events are the annual Assault on 
Rollins Pass in Colorado, and the Northern versus Southern California 
"Joust."

The Ride-and-Feed is a bike trip over Rollins Pass, followed by a big 
barbecue dinner.  The concept for the Joust is to have riders from Northern 
California ride south; riders from Southern California to ride north, 
meeting at a predesignated site somewhere in the middle.  An additional plan 
for 1991 is to hold an official Denizens of Doom homecoming in conjunction 
with the AMA heritage homecoming in Columbus, Ohio, in July.

Though it's a safe bet the the Denizens of Doom and their collective 
communications hub, rec.motorcycles, will not replace the more traditional 
motorcycle organizations, for those who prowl the electronic pathways in 
search of two-wheeled camaraderie, it's a great way for kindred spirits to 
get together.  Long may they flame.


"Live to Flame -- Flame to Live"	[centerbar]

This official motto of the Denizens of Doom refers to the ease with which 
you can gratuitously insult someone electronically, when you would not do 
anything like that face to face.  These insults are known as "flames";  
issuing them is called "flaming."  Flames often start when a member 
disagrees with something another member has posted over the network.  A 
typical, sophisticated, intelligent form of calm, reasoned rebuttal would be 
something like:  "What an incredibly stupid statement, you Spandex-clad 
poseur!"  This will guarantee that five other people will reply in defense 
of the original poster, describing just what they think of you, your riding 
ability and your cat.

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          _The Denizens of Doom: The Saga Unfolds_

                  by John Sloan  DoD #0011

Periodically the question "What is DoD?" is raised. This is one of
those questions in the same class as "Why is the sky blue?", "If there
is a God, why is there so much suffering in the world?" and "Why do
women inevitably tell you that you're such a nice guy just before they
dump you?", the kinds of questions steeped in mysticism, tradition,
and philosophy, questions that have inspired research and discussion
by philosophers in locker rooms, motorcycle service bays, and in the
halls of academe for generations. 

A long, long time ago (in computer time, where anything over a few
minutes is an eternity and the halting problem really is a problem) on
a computer far, far away on the net (topologically speaking; two
machines in the same room in Atlanta might route mail to one another
via a system in Chicago), a chap who wished to remain anonymous (but
who was eventually assigned the DoD membership #1) wrote a satire of
the various personalities and flame wars of rec.motorcycles, and
signed it "The Denizen of Doom". Not wishing to identify himself, he
asked that stalwart individual who would in the fullness of time
become DoD #2 to post it for him. DoD #2, not really giving a whit
about what other people thought and generally being a right thinking
individual, did so.  Flaming and other amusements followed. 

He who would become the holder of DoD membership #3 thought this was
the funniest thing he'd seen in a while (being the sort that is pretty
easily amused), so he claimed membership in the Denizens of Doom
Motorcycle Club, and started signing his postings with his membership
number. 

Perhaps readers of rec.motorcycles were struck with the vision of a
motorcycle club with no dues, no rules, no restrictions as to brand or
make or model or national origin of motorcycle, a club organized
electronically.  It may well be that readers were yearning to become a
part of something that would provide them with a greater identity, a
gestalt personality, something in which the whole was greater than the
sum of its parts.  It could also be that we're all computer nerds who
wear black socks and sneakers and pocket protectors, who just happen
to also love taking risks on machines with awesome power to weight
ratios, social outcasts who saw a clique that would finally be open
minded enough to accept us as members. 

In a clear case of self fulfilling prophesy, The Denizens of Doom
Motorcycle Club was born. A club in which the majority of members have
never met one another face to face (and perhaps like it that way), yet
feel that they know one another pretty well (or well enough given some
of the electronic personalities in the newsgroup). A club organized
and run (in the loosest sense of the word) by volunteers through the
network via electronic news and mail, with a membership/mailing list
(often used to organize group rides amongst members who live in the
same region), a motto, a logo, a series of photo albums circulating
around the country (organized by DoD #9), club patches (organized by
#11), and even an MTV-style music video (produced by #47 and
distributed on VHS by #18)! 

Where will it end? Who knows? Will the DoD start sanctioning races,
placing limits on the memory and clock rate of the on-board engine
management computers? Will the DoD organize poker runs where each
participant collects a hand of hardware and software reference cards?
Will the DoD have a rally in which the attendees demand a terminal
room and at least a 386-sized UNIX system? Only time will tell. 

The DoD has no dues, no rules, and no requirements other than net
access and a love for motorcycles. To become a member, one need only
ask (although we will admit that who you must ask is one of the few
really good club secrets). New members will receive via email a
membership number and the latest copy of the membership list, which
includes name, state, and email address. 

The Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club will live forever (or at least
until next year when we may decided to change the name). 

                  Live to Flame - Flame to Live

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     The DoD daemon as seen on the patches, pins, etc. by

	Chuck Rogers,  car377@druhi.att.com,  DoD #0003
 

                :-(           DoD            )-: 
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            :-(  L     | \/  \   /  \/ |     F   )-:   
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            :-(  A         \ vvvvv /         I   )-:   
            :-(  M         | (   ) |         V   )-:   
            :-(  E         | ^^^^^ |         E   )-:   
             :-(  x        \_______/        x   )-:    
              :-(  x                       x   )-:     
               :-(  x   rec.motorcycles   x   )-:
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                      The DoD

              by the Denizen of Doom    DoD #1
 
Welcome one and all to the flamingest, most wonderfullest newsgroup of
all time: wreck.mudder-disciples or is it reak.mudder-disciples? The
Names have been changes to protect the Guilty (riders) and Innocent
(the bikes) alike. If you think you recognize a contorted version of
your name, you don't. It's just your guilt complex working against
you. Read 'em and weep. 

We tune in on a conversation between some of our heros. Terrible
Barbarian is extolling the virtues of his Hopalonga Puff-a-cane to
Reverend Muck Mudgers and Stompin Fueling-Injection: 

Terrible: This Hopalonga is the greatest... Beats BMWs dead!! 

Muck: I don't mean to preach, Terrible, but lighten up on the BMW
     crowd eh?  I mean like I like riding my Yuka-yuka Fudgeo-Jammer
     11 but what the heck.  

Stompin: No way, the BMW is it, complete, that's all man.

Terrible: Nahhhh, you're sounding like Heritick Ratatnack! Hey, at
     least he is selling his BMW and uses a Hopalonga Intercorruptor!
     Not as good as a Puff-a-cane, should have been called a
     Woosh-a-stream.

Stompin: You mean Wee-Stream.

Terrible: Waddya going to do? Call in reinforcements???

Stompin: Yehh man. Here comes Arlow Scarecrow and High Tech. Let's see
     what they say, eh? 

Muck: Now men, let's try to be civil about this.

High Tech: Hi, I'm a 9 and the BMW is the greatest.

Arlow: Other than my B.T. I love my BMW!

Terrible: B.T.???

Arlow: Burley Thumpison, the greatest all American ride you can own.

Muck: Ahhh, look, you're making Terrible gag.

Terrible: What does BMW stand for anyway??? 

Muck, Arlow, High: Beats Me, Wilhelm.

Terrible: Actually, my name is Terrible. Hmmm, I don't know either.

Muck: Say, here comes Chunky Bear.

Chunky: Hey, Hey, Hey! Smarter than your average bear!

Terrible: Hey, didn't you drop your BMW???

Chunky: All right eh, a little BooBoo, but I left him behind. I mean 
     even Villy Ogle flamed me for that! 

Muck: It's okay, we all makes mistakes.

Out of the blue the West coasters arrive, led by Tread Orange with
Dill Snorkssy, Heritick Ratatnack, Buck Garnish, Snob Rasseller and
the perenial favorite: Hooter Boobin Brush! 

Heritick: Heya Terrible, how's yer front to back bias?

Terrible: Not bad, sold yer BMW?

Heritick: Nahhh.

Hooter: Hoot, Hoot.

Buck: Nice tree Hooter, how'd ya get up there?

Hooter: Carbujectors from Hell!!!

Muck: What's a carbujector?

Hooter: Well, it ain't made of alumican!!! Made by Tilloslert!!

Muck: Ahh, come on down, we aren't going to flame ya, honest!!

Dill: Well, where do we race?

Snob: You know, Chunky, we know about about your drop and well, don't
     ride! 

Muck: No! No! Quiet!

Tread: BMW's are the greatest in my supreme level headed opinion.
     They even have luggage made by Sourkraut!

High: My 9 too!

Terrible, Heritick, Dill, Buck: Nahhhhh!!!

Stompin, Tread, High, Chunky, Snob: Yesss Yessssss!!!

Before this issue could be resolved the Hopalonga crew called up more
cohorts from the local area including Polyanna Stirrup and the
infamous Booster Robiksen on his Cavortin! 

Polyanna: Well, men, the real bikers use stirrups on their bikes like
     I use on my Hopalonga Evening-Bird Special. Helpful for getting
     it up on the ole ventral stand!  

Terrible: Hopalonga's are great like Polyanna says and Yuka-Yuka's and
     Sumarikis and Kersnapis are good too! 

Booster: I hate Cavortin.

All: WE KNOW, WE KNOW.

Booster: I love Cavortin.

All: WE KNOW WE KNOW.

Muck: Well, what about Mucho Guzlers and Lepurras?

Snob, Tread: Nawwwwww.

Muck: What about a Tridump?

Terrible: Isn't that a chewing gum?

Muck: Auggggg, Waddda about a Pluck-a-kity?

Heritick: Heyya Muck, you tryin' to call up the demon rider himself?

Muck: No, no. There is more to Mudder-Disciples than arguing about make.

Two more riders zoom in, in the form of Pill Turret and Phalanx Lifter.
Pill: Out with dorsal stands and ventral stands forever.

Phalanx: Hey, I don't know about that.

And Now even more west coasters pour in.
Road O'Noblin: Hopalonga's are the greatest!

Maulled Beerstein: May you sit on a bikejector!

Suddenly more people arrived from the great dark nurth:
Kite Lanolin: Hey, BMW's are great, men.

Robo-Nickie: I prefer motorcycle to robot transformers, personally.

More riders from the west coast come into the discussion:
Aviator Sourgas: Get a Burley-Thumpison with a belted-rigged frame.

Guess Gasket: Go with a BMW or Burley-Thumpison.

With a roar and a screech the latest mudder-disciple thundered in. It
was none other that Clean Bikata on her Hopalonga CaBammerXorn. 
Clean: Like look, Hopalonga are it but only CaBammerXorns. 

Muck: Why??

Clean: Well, like it's gotta be a 6-banger or nothin.

Muck: But I only have a 4-banger.

Clean: No GOOD!

Chunky: Sob, some of us only have 2-bangers!

Clean: Inferior!

Stompin: Hey, look, here's proof BMW's are better. The Bimmer-Boys
burst into song: (singing) Beemer Babe, Beemer Babe give me a
thrill... 

Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Wadddoes BMW stand for? 

Heritick, Stompin, Snob, Chunky, Tread, Kite, High, Arlow: BEAT'S ME,
     WILHEM! 

Road, Terrible, Polyanna, Maulled, Dill etc.: Oh, don't you mean BMW? 

And so the ensuing argument goes until the skies clouded over and the
thunder roared and the Greatest Mudder-Disciple (G.M.D.) of them all
boomed out.
G.M.D.: Enough of your bickering! You are doomed to riding
     Bigot & Suction powered mini-trikes for your childish actions. 

All: no, No, NO!!! Puhlease.

Does this mean that all of the wreck.mudder-disciples will be riding
mini-trikes?  Are our arguing heros doomed?  Tune in next week for the
next gut wretching episode of "The Yearning and Riderless" with its
ever increasing cast of characters.  Where all technical problems will
be flamed over until well done.  Next week's episode will answer the
question of: "To Helmet or Not to Helmet" will be aired, this is heady
material and viewer discretion is advised. 

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          Script for the Denizens of Doom Anthem Video

                by Jonathan E. Quist   DoD #94


[Scene:  A sterile engineering office.  A lone figure, whom we'll call
Chuck, stands by a printer output bin, wearing a white CDC lab coat,
with 5 mechanical pencils in a pocket protector.] 

(editor's note: For some reason a great deal of amusement was had at
the First Annual DoD Uni-Coastal Ironhorse Ride & Joust by denizens
referring to each other as "Chuck". I guess you had to be there. I
wasn't.) 

Chuck:  I didn't want to be a Software Systems Analyst,
 cow-towing to the whims of a machine, and saying yessir, nosir,
 may-I-have-another-sir.  My mother made me do it.  I wanted
 to live a man's life,
[Music slowly builds in background]
 riding Nortons and Triumphs through the highest mountain passes
 and the deepest valleys,
 living the life of a Motorcyclist;
 doing donuts and evading the police;
 terrorizing old ladies and raping small children;
 eating small dogs for tea (and large dogs for dinner).  In short,

	I Want to be      A Denizen!

[Chuck rips off his lab coat, revealing black leather jacket (with
fringe), boots, and cap.  Scene simultaneously changes to the top of
an obviously assaulted Rollins Pass.  A small throng of Hell's Angels
sit on their Harleys in the near background, gunning their engines,
showering lookers-on with nails as they turn donuts, and leaking oil
on the tarmac.  Chuck is standing in front of a heavily chromed Fat
Boy.] 

Chuck [Sings to the tune of "The Lumberjack Song"]:

I'm a Denizen and I'm okay,
I flame all night and I ride all day.

[Hell's Angels Echo Chorus, surprisingly heavy on tenors]:
He's a Denizen and he's okay,
He flames all night and he rides all day.

I ride my bike;
I eat my lunch;
I go to the lavat'ry.
On Wednesdays I ride Skyline,
Running children down with glee.

[Chorus]:
He rides his bike;
He eats his lunch;
He goes to the lavat'ry.
On Wednesdays he rides Skyline,
Running children down with glee.

[Chorus refrain]:
'Cause He's a Denizen...

I ride real fast,
My name is Chuck,
It somehow seems to fit.
I over-rate the worst bad f*ck,
But like a real good sh*t.

Oh, I'm a Denizen and I'm okay!
I flame all night and I ride all day.

[Chorus refrain]:
Oh, He's a Denizen...

I wear high heels
And bright pink shorts,
 full leathers and a bra.
I wish I rode a Harley,
 just like my dear mama.

[Chorus refrain]

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                    Why you have to be killed.

Well, the first thing you have to understand (just in case you managed
to read this far, and still not figure it out) is that the DoD started
as a joke. And in the words of one Denizen, it intends to remain one.

Sometime in the far distant past, a hapless newbie asked: "What does DoD
stand for? It's not the Department of Defense is it?" Naturally, a
Denizen who had watched the movie "Top Gun" a few times too many rose
to the occasion and replied:

"That's classified, we could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you."

And the rest is history.

A variation on the "security" theme is to supply disinformation about
what DoD stands for. Notable contributions (and contributers, where
known) include:

Daughters of Democracy (DoD 23)		Doers of Donuts
Dancers of Despair (DoD 9)		Debasers of Daughters
Dickweeds of Denver			Driveway of Death
Debauchers of Donuts			Dumpers of Dirtbikes

Note that this is not a comprehensive list, as variations appear to be
limited only by the contents of one's imagination or dictionary file.

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                     The rec.moto.photo archive

First a bit of history, this all started with Ilana Stern and Chuck
Rogers organizing a rec.motorcycles photo album. Many copies were made,
and several sets were sent on tours around the world, only to vanish in
unknown locations. Then Bruce Tanner decided that it would be appropriate
for an electronic medium to have an electronic photo album. Bruce has not
only provided the disk space and ftp & e-mail access, but he has taken
the time to scan most of the photos that are available from the archive.

Not only can you see what all these folks look like, you can also gawk
at their motorcycles. A few non-photo files are available from the
server too, they include the DoD membership list, the DoD Yellow Pages,
the general rec.motorcycles FAQ, and this FAQ posting.

Here are a couple of excerpts from from messages Bruce posted about how
to use the archive.

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Via ftp:

cerritos.edu [130.150.200.21]

Via e-mail:

The address is server@cerritos.edu.  The commands are given in the body of the
message.  The current commands are DIR and SEND, given one per line.  The
arguments to the commands are VMS style file specifications.  For
rec.moto.photo the file spec is [DOD]file.  For example, you can send:

dir [dod]
send [dod]bruce_tanner.gif
send [dod]dodframe.ps

and you'll get back 5 mail messages; a directory listing, 3 uuencoded parts
of bruce_tanner.gif, and the dodframe.ps file in ASCII.

Oh, wildcards (*) are allowed, but a maximum of 20 mail messages (rounded up to
the next whole file) are send.  A 'send [dod]*.gif' would send 150 files of
50K each; not a good idea.
-- 
Bruce Tanner        (213) 860-2451 x 596    Tanner@Cerritos.EDU
Cerritos College    Norwalk, CA             cerritos!tanner

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A couple of comments: Bruce has put quite a bit of effort into this, so
why not drop him a note if you find the rec.moto.photo archive useful?
Second, since Bruce has provided the server as a favor, it would be kind
of you to access it after normal working hours (California time). 

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                      Patches? What patches?

You may have heard mention of various DoD trinkets such as patches &
pins. And your reaction was probably: "I want!", or "That's sick!", or
perhaps "That's sick! I want!"

Well, there's some good news and some bad news. The good news is that
there's been an amazing variety of DoD-labeled widgets created. The bad
news is that there isn't anywhere you can buy any of them. This isn't
because of any "exclusivity" attempt, but simply because there is no
"DoD store" that keeps a stock. All of the creations have been done by
individual Denizens out of their own pockets. The typical procedure is
someone says "I'm thinking of having a DoD frammitz made, they'll cost
$xx.xx, with $xx.xx going to the AMA museum. Anyone want one?" Then
orders are taken, and a batch of frammitzes large enough to cover the
pre-paid orders is produced (and quickly consumed). So if you want a
DoD doodad, act quickly the next time somebody decides to do one. Or
produce one yourself if you see a void that needs filling, after all
this is anarchy in action.

Here's a possibly incomplete list of known DoD merchandise (and
perpetrators). Patches (DoD#11), pins (DoD#99), stickers (DoD#99),
motorcycle license plate frames (DoD#216), t-shirts (DoD#99), polo shirts
(DoD#122), Zippo lighters (DoD#99) [LtF FtL], belt buckles (DoD#99), and
patches (DoD#99) [a second batch was done (and rapidly consumed) by
popular demand].

All "profits" have been donated to the American Motorcyclist Association
Motorcycle Heritage Museum. As of June 1992, over $5500 dollars has been
contributed to the museum fund by the DoD. If you visit the museum,
you'll see a large plaque on the Founders' Wall in the name of "Denizens
of Doom, USENET, The World", complete with a DoD pin.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here's a letter from the AMA to the DoD regarding our contributions.

~Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
~From: Arnie Skurow <arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
~Subject: A letter from the Motorcycle Heritage Museum
~Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 11:04:58 GMT

I received the following letter from Jim Rogers, director of the Museum,
the other day.

"Dear Arnie and all members of the Denizens of Doom:

Congratulations and expressions of gratitude are in order for you and the
Denizens of Doom!  With your recent donation, the total amount donated is
now $5,500.  On behalf of the AMHF, please extend my heartfeld gratitude
to all the membership of the Denizens.  The club's new plaque is presently
being prepared.  Of course, everyone is invited to come to the museum to 
see the plaque that will be installed in our Founders Foyer.  By the way,
I will personally mount a Denizens club pin on the plaque.  Again, thank 
you for all your support, which means so much to the foundation, the
museum, and the fulfillment of its goals.

                                Sincerely,


                                Jim Rogers, D.O.D. #0395
                                Director

P.S.  Please post on your computer bulletin board."

As you all know, even though the letter was addressed to me personally,
it was meant for all of you who purchased DoD goodies that made this
amount possible.

Arnie

------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Rules, Regulations, & Bylaws of the Denizens of Doom Motorcycle Club

From time to time there is some mention, discussion, or flame about the
rules of the DoD. In order to fan the flames, here is the complete text
of the rules governing the DoD.

			Rule #1. There are no rules.
			Rule #0. Go ride.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

		Other rec.motorcycles information resources.

There are several general rec.motorcycles resources that may or may not
have anything to do with the DoD. Most are posted on a regular basis,
but they can also be obtained from the cerritos ftp/e-mail server (see
the info on the photo archive above).

A general rec.motorcycles FAQ is maintained by Dave Williams.
Cerritos filenames are FAQn.TXT, where n is currently 1-5.

The DoD Yellow Pages, a listing of motorcycle industry vendor phone
numbers & addresses, is maintained by bob pakser.
Cerritos filename is YELLOW_PAGES_Vnn, where n is the rev. number.

The List of the DoD membership is maintained by The Keeper of the List.
Cerritos filename is DOD.LIST.

This WitDoD FAQ (surprise, surprise!) is maintained by yours truly.
Cerritos filename is DOD_FAQ.TXT.

Additions, corrections, etc. for any of the above should be aimed at
the keepers of the respective texts.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

(Loki Jorgenson loki@Physics.McGill.CA) has provided an archive site
for motorcycle and accessory reviews, here's an excerpt from his
periodic announcement.

**********************************************************

	The Rec.Motorcycles.Reviews Archives (and World Famous Llama
  Emporium) contains a Veritable Plethora (tm) of bike (and accessories)
  reviews, written by rec.moto readers based on their own experiences.
  These invaluable gems of opinion (highly valued for their potential to
  reduce noise on the list) can be accessed via anonymous FTP, Email
  server or by personal request:

  Anonymous FTP:		ftp.physics.mcgill.ca (132.206.9.13)
					under ~ftp/pub/DoD
  Email archive server:		rm-reviews@ftp.physics.mcgill.ca
  Review submissions/questions:	rm-reviews@physics.mcgill.ca

  NOTE: There is a difference in the addresses for review submission
      and using the Email archive server (ie. an "ftp.").

  To get started with the Email server, send an Email message with a line
  containing only "send help".  

  NOTE: If your return address appears like
	domain!subdomain!host!username
      in your mail header, include a line like (or something similar)
	path username@host.subdomain.domain 

	If you are interested in submitting a review of a bike that you
  already own(ed), PLEASE DO!  There is a template of the format that the
  reviews are kept in (more or less) available at the archive site .
  For those who have Internet access but are unsure of how anonymous
  FTP works, an example script is available on request.

**********************************************************

Reviews of any motorcycle related accessory or widget are welcome too.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

            Updated stats & rec.motorcycles rides info

Some of the info cited above in various places tends to be a moving
target. Rather than trying to catch every occurence, I'm just sticking
the latest info down here.

Estimated rec.motorcycles readership: 35K  [news.groups]
 
Approximate DoD Membership: 975  [KotL]

DoD contributions to the American Motorcyclist Association Motorcycle
Heritage Museum. Over $5500  [Arnie]
 
                        Organized (?) Rides:

Summer 1992 saw more organized rides, with the Joust in its third
year, and the Ride & Feed going strong, but without the Rollins Pass
trip due to the collapse of a tunnel.  The East Coast Denizens got
together for the Right Coast Ride (RCR), with bikers from as far north
as NH, and as far south as FL meeting in the Blueridge Mountains of
North Carolina.  The Pacific Northwest crew organized  the first Great
Pacific Northwest Dryside Gather (GPNDG), another successful excuse for
riding motorcycles, and seeing the faces behind the names we all have
come to know so well.  [Thanks to Ed Green for the above addition.]

Also worth mentioning are: The first rec.moto.dirt ride, held in the
Moab/Canyonlands area of southern Utah. Riders from 5 states showed up,
riding everything from monster BMWs to itty-bitty XRs to almost-legal
2-strokes.  And though it's not an "official" (as if anything could be
official with this crowd) rec.moto event, the vintage motorcycle races
in Steamboat Springs, Colorado always provides a good excuse for netters
to gather.  There's also been the occasional Labor Day gather in Utah.
European Denizens have staged some gathers too.  (Your ad here,
reasonable rates!)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland   580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
       blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com     BIX: blaine_g@bix.com      FJ1200
Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted.      DoD#46
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland   580 Arapeen Drive, SLC, Utah 84108
       blgardne@javelin.sim.es.com     BIX: blaine_g@bix.com      FJ1200
Half of my vehicles and all of my computers are Kickstarted.      DoD#46

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103117
From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)
Subject: Re: Oops! Oh no!

Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote:
:    I hate to admit this, and I'm still mentally kicking myself for it.
: I rode the brand new K75RT home last Friday night.  100 miles in rain
: and darkness.  No problems.  Got it home and put it on the center stand.
:    The next day I pushed it off the center stand in preparation for going
: over to a friend's house to pose.  You guessed it.  It got away from me
: and landed on its right side.  
:    Scratched the lower fairing, cracked the right mirror, and cracked the
: upper fairing.  
:    *DAMN* am I stupid!  It's going to cost me ~$200 to get the local
: body shop to fix it.  And that is after I take the fairing off for them.
: Still, that's probably cheaper than the mirror alone if I bought a 
: replacement from BMW.

You got off cheap.  My sister's ex-boyfriend was such an incessant pain
in the ass about wanting to ride my bikes (no way, Jose) that I
finally took him to Lindner's BMW in New Canaan, CT last fall where
I had seen a nice, used K100RS in perfect condition.  After telling
everyone in the shop his Norton war stories from fifteen years ago,
signing the liability waiver, and getting his pre-flight, off he went...

Well, not quite.  I walked out of a pizza shop up the street,
feeling good about myself (made my sister's boyfriend happy and got
the persistent wanker off my ass for good), heard the horrendous
racket of an engine tortured to its red line and then a crash.  I
saw people running towards the obvious source of the disturbance...
Jeff laying under the BMW with the rear wheel spinning wildly and
someone groping for the kill switch.  I stared in disbelief with
a slice hanging out of my mouth as Matty, the shop manager, slid
up beside me and asked, "Friend of yours, Steve?".  "Shit, Matty,
it could have been worse.  That could been my FLHS!"

Jeff hadn't made it 10 inches.  Witnesses said he lifted his feet
before letting out the clutch and gravity got the best of him.
Jeff claimed that the clutch didn't engage.  Matty was quick.
While Jeff was still stuttering in embarrassed shock he managed
to snatch Jeff's credit card for a quick imprint and signature.  Twenty
minutes later, when Jeff's color had paled to a flush, Matty
presented him with an estimate of $580 for a busted right mirror
and a hairline crack in the fairing.  That was for fixing the crack
and masking the damaged area, not a new fairing.  Or he could buy the
bike.

I'm not sure what happened later as my sister split up with Jeff shortly
afterwards (to hook up with another piece of work) except that Matty
told me he ran the charge through in December and that it went
uncontested.


-- 
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates				   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103118
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California

In article <1ppvof$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
|Bikers wave to bikers the world over.  Whether or not Harley riders
|wave to other bikers is one of our favorite flame wars...

  I am happy to say that some Harley riders in our area are better than most
that are flamed about here: I (riding a lowly sport bike, no less) and my
girlfriend were the recipient of no less than twenty waves from a group of
at least twenty-five Harley riders.  I was leading a group of about four
sport bikes at the time (FJ1200/CBR900RR/VFR750).  I initiated *some* of the
waves, but not all.  It was a perfect day, and friendly riders despite some
brand differences made it all the better...

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103119
Subject: Re: more DoD paraphernalia
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <1pppnrINNitg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>,
doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis) wrote:
> 
> How about a decal of thicker vinyl? 

  How about a Geeky temporary tatoo?  I mean, why should the 
  RUBs be exempt from a little razzing.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103120
From: maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California

Re: Waving...

I must say, that the courtesy of a nod or a wave as I meet other bikers while
riding does a lot of good things to my mood... While riding is a lot of fun by
itself, there's something really special about having someone say to you "Hey,
it's a great day for a ride... Isn't it wonderful that we can spend some time
on the road on days like this..." with a gesture.

Was sunny today for the first time in a week, took my bike out for a spin down
to the local salvage yard/bike shop... ran into about 20 other people who were
down there for similar reasons (there's this GREAT stretch of road on the way
down there... no side streets, lotsa leaning bends... ;) ... Went on an
impromptu coffee and bullshit run down to puyallup with a batch of people who 
I didn't know, but who were my kinda people nonetheless.

As a fellow commented to me while I was admiring his bike... "Hey, it's not
what you ride, it's that you ride... As long as it has 2 wheels and an engine
it's the same thing..."
-- 
----
maven@eskimo.com (InterNet)         maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (UseNet)
The Maven@The Mavenry (AlterNet)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103121
From: MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours 
> after you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink 
> tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow"?

1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks.
1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks.
2 hours/drink for the rest.

These are fairly cautious guidelines, and will work even if you happen to 
have a low tolerance or body mass.
I think the cops and "Don't You Dare Drink & Drive" (tm) commercials will 
usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you 
could very well be over the legal limit. 
Watch yourself.
-Mike
  ________________________________________________
 / Mike Muise / mjmuise@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca \ no quotes, no jokes,
 \ Electrical Engineering, University of Waterloo / no disclaimer, no fear.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103122
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: insect impacts

In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>>
>>>how _do_ the helmetless do it?
>>
>>Um, the same way people do it on 
>>horseback
>
>not as fast, and they would probably enjoy eating bugs, anyway

Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain.  And we eat
flies, thank you.

>>jeeps
>
>you're *supposed* to keep the windscreen up

then why does it go down?

>>snow skis
>
>NO BUGS, and most poeple who go fast wear goggles

So do most helmetless motorcyclists.

>The question still stands. How do cruiser riders with no or negligible helmets
>stand being on the highway at 75 mph on buggy, summer evenings?

helmetless != goggleless

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103123
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California

In article 602CV3dTx01@JUTS.ccc.amdahl.com, bws20@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Brian W Simmons) writes:
>
>Now maybe this isn't a big deal to some of you, but it is to me.  I was raised
>in the South, and part of my cultural heritage is waving at passersby.  I
>waved from the side of the road at passing cars, when I drove I waved or
>nodded or at least raised an index finger from the steering wheel.  People
>waved at me as I drove by. 

I was raised in the South, and I can attest that this is true.  Why, on
one particularly hot day, as I was walking along the road, some good
ole boys in a truck tossed me a cold beer!  Of course, they were going
50 mph at the time...

>P.S. To prove this wasn't a fluke, it happened to me again when I was out
>riding on Wednesday: an unsolicited wave. Wow...

Bikers wave to bikers the world over.  Whether or not Harley riders
wave to other bikers is one of our favorite flame wars...

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103124
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries

In article <C50uGG.9As@cmptrc.lonestar.org> irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein) writes:
>In article <1phuse$5u1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>In article 28712@aber.ac.uk, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>>>Two questions that fascinate me:-
>>
>>Check you local blue light special for a sale on lives...
>>
>>>1) Why are rednecks called rednecks?
>>
>>The origin of the slang is probably a reference to a sunburned neck,
>>often obtained while performing honest work outdoors.  The neck is
>>specified to distinguish these people, whose shirt-protected chest and
>>back are pale, from the elitist wealthy, who, in their idiotic quest
>>for darker skin pigmentation as a badge of leisure time, overdo it and
>>get full-body sunburns.
>>
>
>More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make
>their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside
>of their group or level of understanding.
>-- 
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------
>"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"       CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
>irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826            (R75/6)
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------

That sounds like an awfully closed minded, intolerant attitude.

1/2  :')     

I'm not a redneck but . . . try a walk in their shoes first.  Stereotypes
are usually of very limited value.  I've seen as many ignorant
self-righteous "open minded" new age lovers of the great planet Earth
as I have ignorant "red necks".  I don't see a correlation. I don't
believe that the "redneck" culture, if you can call it that, is
necessarily inferior or superior to any other.  

I gotta have a beer, I'm making too much sense.  Next thing you know,
I'll be preaching tolerance . . .. and I'm a conservative.

Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103125
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Carrying crutches (was Re: Living


In a previous article, pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) says:

>
>When I broke my right leg in two places (not a motorcycle accident -- a 
>_car_ accident; who woulda thunk it?) I put my crutches on Gretchen's rear
>rack.  I'm getting the metal rod pulled out on Friday and going back on 
>the crutches for six weeks.  I think crutches on the handlebars sound more 
>aesthetically pleasing.  How did you attach them?


	When I got my knee rebuilt I got back on the street bike ASAP. I put
the crutches on the rack and the passenger seat and they hung out back a
LONG way. Just make sure they're tied down tight in front and no problemo.
-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103126
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)

In article <1993Apr4.135829.28141@pro-haven.cts.com>, shadow@pro-haven.cts.com writes:
> In <1993Apr3.094509.11448@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
> asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
> % By the way, the short-lived Zephyr is essentially a GpZ 550,
> Why was the "Zephyr" discontinued?  I heard something about a problem with
> the name, but I never did hear anything certain... 

I don't think the 550 sold very well - most North Americans who ride a standard
rather than a sport bike usually want something bigger. People walk into the
dealership, look at the 550 and the 750 and say, "I might as well spring the
extra bucks for the bigger engine."
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103127
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!


In a previous article, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) says:

>In article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>|
>|Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan?  Wow, and he seemed like such
>|a nice boy at RCR I too.
>
>And Noemi makes me think of "cuddle", not "KotL".
>

	You talking bout the same Noemi I know? She makes me think of big bore
hand guns and extreme weirdness. This babe rode a CSR300 across the desert! And
a borrowed XL100 on the Death Ride. Don't fuck with her man, your making a big
mistake.



-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103128
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Identify this bike for me

In article <1993Apr5.193804.18482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes:
}first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
}but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it.  Additionally,

As someone who was told quite firmly by 2 Honda sales/service weenies
that there is no larger tank available for the Hawk (I have a '91
Hawk with the puny 3.2 gal tank), I'd be very interested to know if
there is any decent aftermarket solution. I'd love to have at least
a 4 gal tank.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103129
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries


In article <Stafford-310393095530@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <1993Mar17.115603.28712@aber.ac.uk>, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy
>Woodward) wrote:
>> 
>> Two questions that fascinate me:-
>     You are easily fascinated.
>
>> 1) Why are rednecks called rednecks?
>     Why are you called a Welch?
>     OK, it's because they are often south or southeastern farmers
>     who's necks are permanently damaged from sunburn.  The sun;
>     you know what that is, it never sets on the British Empire
>     and never shines in Wales.
>
This is a despicable LIE! It was sunny on 3rd July 1958 from 11.23am
to 11 37am. I made a note of it. Diaries are never wrong.

>> 2) Why do they ride Harleys?
>     They don't.  They drive in pick-up trucks and shoot bikers.
>
>> Please enlighten me. When I visited last, the only answers I got 
>> were incoherent splutterings.
>     You deserve more?
>
>====================================================
>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
>                    All standard disclaimers apply.


Do you, by any chance ride a Harley? (just a feeling...) How is your 
neck? Calamine lotion is good, I'm told.

I am getting bored with winding up Americans. Its like bombing fish
in a barrel. 

Haaaaaaaaaaave a Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

Andy

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103130
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: re: Countersteering_FAQ please post


In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle 
>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this 
>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.
>
>				eric

Hmm, If I did this, would I be able to take the outriggers off?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103131
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Dr. Demento


In article <1993Mar31.194202.7809@cs.brown.edu> jdk@cs.brown.edu (Jennet Kirschenbaum) writes:
>
>I haven't heard Dr. Demento in years.  Does anyone know if it 
>plays on any stations around Prov, RI (such as WBCN)?
>
>I'd love to pay for shipping and recording of the show too.

The best Boring-Old-Farts prefer The Breeze, 97.9FM, Salt
Lake City. Wonderfully catatonic. I wanted to take the whole station
back with me in my flight bag. (Especially the girlie with the sexy
voice who did the Morning Show.)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103132
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: pink tools [was: Re: What is it with girlfriends and motorcycles?]

I ONLY Just prevented myself from diving  in on this one.....

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103133
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries


In article <1pcl6i$e4i@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ravi@vanilla.WPI.EDU (Ravi Narayan) writes:
>In a previous article, groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu said:
>= azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>= 
>= >2) Why do they ride Harleys?
>= 
>= 'cause we can.
>= 
>
>    you sure are lucky! i am told that there are very few people out
>    there who can actually get their harley to ride ;-) (the name tod
>    johnson jumps to the indiscreet mind... laz whats it you used to
>    ride???).
>
>
>-- 
>----------_________----------_________----------_________----------_________
>sig (n): a piece of mail with a fool at one  | Ravi Narayan, CS, WPI
>          end and flames at the other. (C).   | 89 SuzukiGS500E - Phaedra ;)
>__________---------__________---------__________---------__________---------

Hi, Ravi

If you need a Harley, we have lots to spare here. All the yuppies
bought 'the best' a couple  of years ago to pose at the (s)wine
bar. They 'rode a mile and walked the rest'. Called a taxi home and 
went back to the porsche. So there's are loads going cheap with about
1 1/2 miles on the clock (takes a while to coast to a halt).

Cheers

Andy

P.S. You get a better class of people on GS500's anyway

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103134
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding


In article <1993Apr3.200529.2206@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>{drinking & riding}
>>  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
>> you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
>> don't ride until tomorrow"?

Even a half a beer will increase your confidence while slugging your reactions
and judgement - not much maybe, but its hard enough to stay alive out there
for any length of time without stacking the odds. I'll not ride after ANY.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103135
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re:  Living


In article <05APR93.02451203.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
>In article <1993Apr2.213402.10821@eos.arc.nasa.gov> phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov (Phil Stone) writes:
>>Thanks for the compliments, Allan, but I think you sidestepped
>>my point there.  I didn't say I didn't take *any* chances.  Sheesh,
>>getting out of bed in the morning is risky; I sprained my ankle

Damn right. I was late for a climbing meet one morning, so I got
out of bed without bothering that my right foot was still asleep.
It reminded me by folding underneath with a crunching of Metatarsals.
Lucky the brake's on the right, but i got funny looks riding thru 
London with one leg held aloft.

(Climbing wasnt a problem - the best splint in the world is a tight
climbing shoe.)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103136
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Protective gear


In article <1993Apr3.200829.2207@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>> What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
>> rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
>> leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
>> leather pants, what?

IF you can remember to tuck properly, the bits that are going to take most 
punishment with the gear you have will probably be your feet, then hips and 
knees. Get boots then  trousers. The gloves come last, as long as you've the 
self control to pull your arms in when you tuck. If not, get good gloves 
first - Hands are VERY easily wrecked if you put one down to steady your 
fall at 70mph!! The other bits heal easier.

Once you are fully covered, you no longer tuck, just lie back and enjoy the 
ride.

Best of all, take a mean of all the contradictory answers you get.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103137
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: New DoD listing. Membership is at 1148

There is a new DoD listing. To get a copy use one of these commands:

		finger motohead@cs.colorado.edu
				OR
		mail motohead@cs.colorado.edu

If you send mail make sure your "From" line is correct (ie "man vacation").
I will not try at all to fix mail problems (unless they are mine ;-). And I
may just publicly tell the world what a bad mailer you have. I do scan the 
mail to find bounces but I will not waste my time answering your questions 
or requests.

For those of you that want to update your entry or get a # contact the KotL.
Only the KotL can make changes. SO STOP BOTHERING ME WITH INANE MAIL

I will not tell what "DoD" is! Ask rec.motorcycles. I do not give out the #'s.


Laszlo Nemeth
laszlo@cs.colorado.edu
"hey - my tool works (yeah, you can quote me on that)." From elef@Sun.COM
"Flashbacks = free drugs."
DoD #0666          UID #1999

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103138
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Round Two

In article 29788@serval.net.wsu.edu, bill@wsuaix.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns;S23015) writes:
>
>If Good Sam got 300 bricks, delivered
>first class postage to their door, at their expense, I bet they would change
>their policies about mailing lists or about who can use their facilities
>quickly. 

And if the Lord God Almighty parted the sky and make a personal
appearance at their Board of Directors meeting, they would also change
their policies.  The odds are about equal.

>I am curious as to how many bricks I will have to send before this situatiion
>is cleared up to my satisfaction.  I suspect about 5.  We shall see.

You'll be extremely lucky if you ever get one through.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103139
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Another question about synthetic engi

In article <1993Apr5.133542.19077@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>, 
fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) writes:

|> Two years ago he went to work for CONRAIL as a mechanic.
|> On the EMD and GE power units (train engines) they NEVER
|> EVER change the oil, just the filters

I remember seeing an artical on large-engine oil 
requirements, and one of the ways of prolonging
the life of the oil was to run through a heated
un-presurized chamber to allow water and volitiles
to boil off. This made such long-term usage of 
oil practical.

Isn't the Discovery channel great!?!

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103140
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)
Subject: Identify this bike for me

OK,

    I saw a bike today and I want to know what it is.  Lets begin
by saying that its whole rear end was definately Hawk 650.  Additionally,
it had a CBR900RR style tank, full fairing, and only a tach.  Now, at
first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it.  Additionally,
the gauges were certainly not from a Hawk.  They looked much more like 
900RR gauges.  Overall, the bike looked like a 900RR except for the
rear single-sided swingarm and wheel (there were straight from the Hawk)

So, what did I see?

(PS, for any of you Boulder DoDers, I saw it parked at the Engineering
center today. It is white with light green stripes.)


________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn                     DoD#6425                      AMA#679817
                  '88CBR1000              '89CBR600
                       coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
________________________________________________________________________



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103141
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!

In article <1993Apr2.163021.17074@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
|
|Wait a minute here, Ed is Noemi AND Satan?  Wow, and he seemed like such
|a nice boy at RCR I too.

And Noemi makes me think of "cuddle", not "KotL".

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "We're bad-t-the-bone!
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  Bad-t-the-bone!"
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  -- Universally feared
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |     Denizen warcry.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103142
From: downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP

Paraphrase of initial post:

	Can I fight a speeding ticket in court?

My reply:

       Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.
       Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982

The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let
us know how it goes.

ABD

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103143
From: davec@Autodesk.COM (Dave Cooper)
Subject: *FOR SALE*: H-1 500...


     1975 H-1 500
     Brand new top end
     Chambers
     Clean + black!
     1,500$
     Paul: (510) 839-2161

Please do not contact this email address: contact the seller.

Cheers

DAVE

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103144
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!

In article <gate.3gPD2B1w165w@ryang1.pgh.pa.us>, 
ryang@ryang1.pgh.pa.us (Robert H. Yang) writes:
|> Hi,
|> 
|> 	Sorry, just feeling silly.
|> 
|> Rob


No need to appologise, as a matter of fact
this reminds me to bring up something I
have found consistant with dogs-

Most of the time, they do NOT like having
me and my bike anywhere near them, and will
chase as if to bite and kill. 

An instructor once said it was because the 
sound from a bike was painfull to their 
ears. As silly as this seams, no other options
have arrizen. 

net.wisdom?

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103145
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Auction: Diana's bra

In article <1993Apr2.163531.12974@adobe.com>, 
cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

|> Next thing you know I'll see bikes with Geeky stickers parked
|> outside the local white wine, quiche, and fern bar.

Hey! I LIKE quiche, even if I did have to look 
at your note to spell it (assumed) correctly.

Really, you <*sniff*> tough guys are all the same...

(MOMMY! Curtis is making fun of ferns again!!!!)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103146
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:

|>  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
|> you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
|> don't ride until tomorrow"?

I'll put in a vote for the latter. A bike
takes a lot of involvement, and I for one
do not want any accident to be my fault.

I remember one artical where the reviewer
tried the radio on the bike, not having had
one on any of his. He stated that the bike
tended to go faster when the music was 
good. I agree, having felt like this my self,
and this was not a physical imparement, like
drinking, just the emotional lift from music.

First rule of ecology: There is never only one side-effect.

Ride Well-

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103147
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California


|> <Waving at fellow bikers stuff deleted>
|> 
|> When I first started riding street bikes I was told it was common to recieve/
|> give a wave to a fellow biker. 

What astounded me on moving to the left coast from
the right coast, was to actually get waves from
HARLEY riders! No, Really! I remember the first time
as a truely memorable event.

It might have something to do with the...

No. I refuse to bring that up again.

Thanks EVO, for being a Harley rider that waves
first. 

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103148
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, 
Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
|> Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...
|> 				eric

Like, there's a FAQ for this?

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103149
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!
From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU

Ed's heading out on the highway?

Did he finally buy a bike or is he a passanger?

Jeff Andle   DoD #3005  1976 KZ900     REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU

IntermittentNet access arranged through Bowdoin College.  Please reply
via e-mail, since a followup might expire before I see the Net again.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103150
Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)
From: REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU

I don't know about the dinky little Zephyr's, but the 1100 (now
the ZR1100) looks alot like my '76 Z1/ KZ900!  The one I drooled over
at Tri-Sports in Topsham, ME was a looker!

Yes, Mercury axed the Zephyr name.  Guess a lot of aging Republicans
wanted a Zephyr and confused the Mercury with the Kawasaki :).  Oh
well, they're better off with the Kawasaki anyways.  Maybe it'll shake the
stick out of their asses and  make Libertarians out of them!

As to the GPz <--> Zephyr, the only GPz I've seen had the ball-buster
gas tank profile, not the smooth saddle - to - gas tank transition.
_Motorcyclist_ claims the Zephyr / ZR is the modernized Z1 (KZ) from the
seventies.
Jeff Andle   DoD #3005  1976 KZ900     REE700A@MAINE.MAINE.EDU

IntermittentNet access arranged through Bowdoin College.  Please reply
via e-mail, since a followup might expire before I see the Net again.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103151
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: r.m split (was: Re: insect impacts)

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) /  2:02 pm  Apr  2, 1993 /

All right people, this inane bug wibbling is just getting to much.  I
propose we split off a new group.
rec.motorcycles.nutrition 
to deal with the what to do with squashed bugs thread.

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "If I was worried about who saw me, I'd never get   | '92 VFR750F           |
| nekkid at all." -Ed Green, DoD #0111                | '88 Bianchi Limited   |
----------
What?!?!? Haven't you heard about cross-posting??!?!? Leave it intact and
simply ignore the basenotes and/or responses which have zero interest for
a being of your stature and discriminating taste. ;-)

Yesterday, while on Lonoak Rd, a wasp hit my faceshield with just
enough force to glue it between my eyes, but not enough to kill it as
the legs were frantically wiggling away and I found that rather, shall
we say, distracting. I flicked it off and wiped off the residue at the
next gas stop in Greenfield. :-) BTW, Lonoak Rd leads from #25 into
King City although we took Metz from KC into Greenfield. 
  
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division,
350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103152
Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)

In article <C51105.98C.1@cs.cmu.edu> jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>|> 	While we're on the subject, has anyone else noticed that the 1/2" deep
>|> well in Craftsman's $60 SAE deep well set is too small to fit a 1/2" bolt or
>|> nut?	When I took the socket in for an exchange, EVERY !#%@ one of the 1/2"
>|> deep well sockets on the rack had the exact same problem!!!
>
>Not to imply that you didn't, but since you didn't mention it.....
>did you measure the size of your test nut with callipers? Were all three
>"cross lengths" no more than 1/2"? I've seen bolt heads, and even a few
>nuts, which got slightly thicker further down toward the basa... sort of
>a trapizodial cross section.

	That I did not do; however, the sample bolt I took to the store fit
rather well in the following:  1/2" open end wrench, 1/2" box end wrench, 1/2"
12-point normal socket.  I take that as meaning it's a 1/2" bolt head.
 
>But as several people have pointed out, and as I'm noting in the tool FAQ
>I'm writing up in case anyone will want it, a lifetime guarantee doesn't
>necessiarly mean better tools.

	Yup.  At $6 a socket, I want the @#$@# thing to FIT!

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103153
Subject: Re: Oops! Oh no!
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)

JACK ROGERS WATERS (jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1ppejb$3h0@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
: >
: >Well, at least I damaged my own bike.  If I had done it to someone else's
: >property I'd *really* feel like a jerk.  As it is I just feel stupid.
: >
: I don't mean to be a cynic but . . . . you may want to reconsider
: having the body work done right away.  The same type of thing
: may happen again.  Wait till you get used to the bike, etc.

Well, I waited a whole week to take the pastic bits off and take them
to the body shop.  Is that long enough :-)
--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103154
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: The quest for horndom

In article <1993Apr5.171807.22861@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <1993Apr4.010533.26294@ncsu.edu> jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
>>No laughing, please.  I have a few questions.  First of all, do I
>>need a relay?  Are there different kinds, and if so, what kind should
>>I get?  Both horns are 12 Volt.
>
>	I did some back-of-the-eyelids calculations last night, and I figure
>these puppies suck up about 10 amps to work at maximum efficiency (i.e., the
>cager might need a shovel to clean out his seat).  Assumptions:  125dBA at one
>meter.  Neglecting solid angle considerations and end effects and other
>acoustic niceties from the shape of the horn itself, this is a power output
>of 125 Watts.  125Watts/12Volts is approx. 10 Amps.
>
>	Yes, get a relay.
>
>	Yes, tell me how you did it (I want to do it on the ZX).
>
>Later,

I'll post a summary after I get enough information.  I'll include
tips like "how to know when the monkey is pulling your leg".  Shouldn't
monkey's have to be bonded and insured before they work on bikes?

Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103155
From: <LRR105@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools

WHAT IS THE FLANK DRIVE EVERYONES TALKING ABOUT?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103156
From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries

In article <1phuse$5u1@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 28712@aber.ac.uk, azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>>Two questions that fascinate me:-
>
>Check you local blue light special for a sale on lives...
>
>>1) Why are rednecks called rednecks?
>
>The origin of the slang is probably a reference to a sunburned neck,
>often obtained while performing honest work outdoors.  The neck is
>specified to distinguish these people, whose shirt-protected chest and
>back are pale, from the elitist wealthy, who, in their idiotic quest
>for darker skin pigmentation as a badge of leisure time, overdo it and
>get full-body sunburns.
>

More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make
their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside
of their group or level of understanding.
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"       CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826            (R75/6)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103157
From: egreen@East.Sun.COM (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: hats update... patches too!

In article XHFg2B5w165w@fringe.rain.com, dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward) writes:
>I've got orders for about 30-35 hats.  The expensive part (not surprisingly)
>is going to be having the patches made, with a setup fee of $100-200 or so.

Dean, there's an old engineering saying concerning inventions and
wheels.  Contact #0099, he's done several runs of patches, and there is
some patch-making company out there with the artwork already set up and
paid for.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103158
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Chain Lube (was: Re: RM consensus on chain cleaning.)

In article <1993Apr3.044405.16947@elektro.cmhnet.org>, charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith) writes:
> In article <1993Mar24.011823.7887@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
> >Anyone try the spray on chain wax that was reviewed in one of the moto
> >rags last month?
> 
> 
> Yeah.    I sprayed it all over my rear drive shaft housing, and it didn't
> seem to make it any quieter at all <!!>

Didn't you read the instructions first??
You're supposed to spray it in your ears so you won't be
distracted by the chain-noise of the *other* bikes around you.
That's why it's called "Chain *Wax*".

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com
car377@cbnewsj.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103159
Subject: Re: BMW Nostalgia Question from a Neophyte
From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)

To go one step further, you could write Roland Slabon, Pres. of the
Vintage BMW Motorcycle Owners Ltd at P.O. box 67, Exeter, New Hampshire 
03833 and he'll send you copy of the bimonthly rag with info as to where
to send your $12 bucks if ya want to join. As far as the price of '60's
Beemers, it varies wildly, from a low of around $1000 for an unrestored
bike that still runs (like an R50 or R60) to $4500 or so for a restored
R69S.  Don't listen to that bull about the old bmw's not being "good 
enough" to ride in todays world.. Hell, I'm riding my 1956 R26 Single
from Mississippi to the BMW MOA national rally in Oshkosh, Wisconsin
on the 22nd of July this year.
Sincerely,
Craig Vechorik
BMW MOA Ambassador #9462
BMW Vintage 
Bulletin tech editor #1373
DOD #843
"REAL BMW's have ROUND tail lights and ROLLER cranks"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103160
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
>In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
>>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
>>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle
>>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this
>>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.
>
> Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and
>your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem.  When I do it

Really!?

Methinks somethings wrong with _your_ bike.

Perhaps you meant _pull_?

Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left.

It should. 
REally.

>on MY bike, I turn right.  No wonder you need that FAQ.  If I had it
>I'd send it.
>

I'm sure others will take up the slack...


>
>
>

-- 
Andy Infante  | I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis |
'71 BMW R60/5 | upon the observance of the law than they do upon it's         | 
DoD #2426     | enforcement.  -Calvin Coolidge                                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103161
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries

In article <1993Apr5.094451.8144@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>I am getting bored with winding up Americans. Its like bombing fish
>in a barrel. 

Or little children at the market.

(Or is that the Irish?  Hard to keep all you not-really-English types
 straight.)


-- 
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                                        INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103162
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Another question about synthetic engi

In article <1993Apr2.043642.5682@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes:
|In article 17418@news.arc.nasa.gov, howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) writes:
|>Castrol Syntec does not contain teflon, it gets its greater
|>lubrication by bonding to the metal surfaces of the engine, 
|>thus making the metal ride on the polymer rather
|>than having metal-to-metal contact. I do not know if this 
|>also reduces the acid contact with the metal, but it seems 
|>likely.
|
|Just becase something forms a resin does not mean that
|it's not teflon based.  The PTFE in slick-50 is not teflon
|either, but it's still teflon based.  

"Teflon" is a DuPont-owned tradename for PTFE.  Slick-50 does
indeed use DuPont Teflon, though some other brands of such
stuff may use imported PTFE of another brand.

"Teflon", being a trade-name, should always by capitalized.

(DuPont disclaims any benefits of PTFE in the oil supply of internal 
combustion engines, BTW.)

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "We're bad-t-the-bone!
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  Bad-t-the-bone!"
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  -- Universally feared
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |     Denizen warcry.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103163
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <12739@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
>>In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
>>>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
[...]
>>
>> Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and
>>your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem.  When I do it
>
>Really!?
>
>Methinks somethings wrong with _your_ bike.
>
>Perhaps you meant _pull_?
>
>Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left.
>
>It should. 
>REally.
>
>>on MY bike, I turn right.  No wonder you need that FAQ.  If I had it
>>I'd send it.
>
>I'm sure others will take up the slack...
>
[...]
>-- 
>Andy Infante  | I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis |


Oh, lord.  This is where I came in.

Obcountersteer:  For some reason, I've discovered that pulling on the
wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong
side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control.  For
example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn 
right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned
over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive.  Maybe
I need psychological help.

Obcountersteer v2.0:Anyone else find it ironic that in the weekend-and-a-
night MSF class, they don't mention countersteering until after the
first day of riding?



-----
Tommy McGuire, who's going to hit his head on door frames the rest of
    the evening, leaning into those tight turns....
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103164
From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Living

In article <C4rz4J.4q9@odin.corp.sgi.com> amc@crash.wpd.sgi.com
(Allan McNaughton) writes:
>In article <1993Mar27.040606.4847@eos.arc.nasa.gov>, phil@eos.arc.nasa.gov
(Phil Stone) writes:
>|> Alan, nothing personal, but I object to the "we all" in that statement.
>|> (I was on many of those rides that Alan is describing.)  Pushing the
>|> envelope does not necessarily equal taking insane chances.

Moreover, if two riders are riding together at the same speed,
one might be riding well beyond his abilities and the other
may have a safety margin left.

>Oh come on Phil.  You're an excellent rider, but you still take plenty of
>chances.  Don't tell me that it's just your skill that keeps you from 
>getting wacked.  There's a lot of luck thrown in there too.  You're a very
>good rider and a very lucky one too.  Hope your luck holds.... 

Allan, I know the circumstances of several of your falls.
On the ride when you fell while I was next behind you,
you made an error of judgement by riding too fast when
you knew the road was damp, and you reacted badly when
you were surprised by an oncoming car.  That crash was
due to factors that were subject to your control.

I won't deny that there's a combination of luck and skill
involved for each of us, but it seems that you're blaming
bad luck for more of your own pain than is warranted.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103165
From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Recommended bike for a tall beginner.

In article <47116@sdcc12.ucsd.edu> jtozer@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (John Tozer) writes:
>	I am looking for advice on what bikes I should check out.  I
>am 6'4" tall, and find my legs/hips uncomfortably bent on most of
>the bikes I have ridden (not many admittedly).  Are there any bikes
>out there built for a taller rider?

There's plenty of legroom on the Kawasaki KLR650.  A bit
short in the braking department for spirited street riding,
but enough for dirt and for less-agressive street stuff.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103166
From: RYLV80@waccvm.corp.mot.com (William Mohrman)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

>
> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
>you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
>don't ride until tomorrow"?

This thread brings back memorys of an expensive day in traffic court
a few years ago.  While I was waiting my turn to state my case and
plea of why I was going 75 in a 55 in my cage, I had the opportunity
to listen to some of the "creative excuses" offered the judge by others.

After listening to a number of "Well, I was passing a very slow truck
that suddenly speed up" versions, I decided that the judge had heard
just about every story in the book and then some.  He was less than
impressed with any of them.

This young, rather burley looking guy, had his docket read by a
rather drill sargent looking Ohio State Highyway Patrol Trooper.
He was clocked riding a motorcycle at a speed of 110 mph in a 55 mph
zone.  It was also noted that the defendant (motorcycle rider) had
alcohol on his breath, but was not cited for this offence.

The judge looked over his half glasses purched on the end of his nose
and said in his sternest voice: "Well son, those are some pretty
fast speeds to be riding a motorcycle.  What do you have to say for
your self?"

"Well Sir", meekly the defenant replied, "I just was over to my
buddys and we had a couple of beers and I was on my way home."
He offered nothing more or less.  Just had a couple of beers and
was doing 110 mph on his way home.

The judge moved by the simplicity of the response, fined him the
maximum in this case (plus court costs of course) and ordered him
to attend remedial drivers training school.

Isn't America Great??


--------------------------------------------------------------------
Bill Mohrman                                         81-CB900C
Motorola , SPS
Columbus, OH
------------------- Disclaimers Apply ------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103167
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: How Big Is Too Big (was Re: 1st bike)

azw@aber.ac.uk(Andy Woodward) writes:
azw>Weight and size over rough roads is a definite no-no. If is starts to
azw>drift, you aint going to catch it.

leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) says:
mrb>If you're riding hard enough for this to be of concern, then yes, a
mrb>lighter bike is more beneficial.

ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
ms>If you're not riding hard enough for this to be a concern, are you
ms>having any fun?

Sure.  I've never been much of a racerboy, as anybody who's attended the
Minibike Spectacular can attest.  ;^)  I get a great deal of satisfaction
in riding fast, yet now so fast as to be overly concerned about not being
able to maintain a clean line.  And while I'm still known to slide the
occasional tire, I much prefer to stay just to the sticky side of that
line.  I've found that I don't heal as well as I used to in days of yore.

BTW, how's the knee?

mrb>anyway.  Am I more likely to catch a 400 than a 250?  Not necessarily.
mrb>Tires, road surface and rider ability are a much more important criteria.

ms>Actually, big horsepower is just as likely to get you out of trouble
ms>when it "Starts to Drift" as your puny body mass pushing on stuff. A well
ms>placed push from 80 or 90 horsepower can do a lot to straighten or change
ms>in a beneficial way the trajectory of the bike/rider system. That's a 

Quite true.  Another plus for a 500+ bike, the original thread, I think.
Damn circular threads...  ;^)

ms>Go fast. Take chances.
ms>
ms>	Mike S.

Mr. Bill
-- 
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 +   '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago"   +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+  DoD AMA ICOA NIA  + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103168
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: Protective gear

In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|> Question for the day:
|> 
|> What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
|> rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
|> leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
|> leather pants, what?

condom


during wone of the 500 times i had to go over my accident i
was asked if i was wearing "protection" my responces was
"yes i was wearing a condom"



laz


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103169
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <12739@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> In article <05APR93.02678944.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> C70A@UNB.CA (C70A000) writes:
|> >In article <C4zKCL.FGC@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> Eric@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (93CBR900RR) writes:
|> >>Would someone please post the countersteering FAQ...i am having this awful
|> >>time debating with someone on why i push the right handle of my motorcycle
|> >>foward when i am turning left...and i can't explain (well at least) why this
|> >>happens...please help...post the faq...i need to convert him.
|> >
|> > Ummm, if you push on the right handle of your bike while at speed and
|> >your bike turns left, methinks your bike has a problem.  When I do it
|> 
|> Pushing the right side of my handlebars _will_ send me left.
|> 
|> I'm sure others will take up the slack...

oh yes, i'm quite sure they will :)

axel

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103170
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year

In article <1993Mar30.214419.923@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:
> In article <1993Mar29.225236.9061@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
> >[...] I had planned to get an HD this year...but instead I
> >took delivery on a brand new male offspring(er) last Monday...
> 
> Sounds like you should have been doing your planning LAST year, given
> Harley-Davidson's product delivery lag and the human gestation cycle.

Or perhaps any planning at all.  :-)  Hiya Pete, still got that CBX?
Nice to hear from you again!

> >And, yes, I finally did figure out why this happens, and I have
> >taken steps to ensure [a storkish repetition]...
> 
> That would be low drag bars and way rad rearsets for the FJ, so that the 
> ergonomic constraints would have contraceptive consequences?

Ouch. :-)   This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the
Hurt Study.   Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity
to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended
that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function
provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the
gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the 
rider doesn't.  I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers
have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the 
CBR900RR and the GTS1000A.

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com
car377@cbnewsj.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103171
From: dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP

In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes:
>       Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.
>       Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982
>
>The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let
>us know how it goes.
>
  Daniel Matejka writes:
  The fourth edition is out, too.  But it's probably also not
very high on UCB's "gotta have that" list.

In article <65930405053856/0005111312NA1EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes:
>Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by
>a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road.  The
>officer stated "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down
>highway 12.  You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75."  I just said okay,
>and did not agree or disagree to anything he said. 

  Can you beat this ticket?  Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen
to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up
and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon.
  The cop was certainly within his legal rights to nail you by guessing
your speed.  Mr. Brown (the author of Fight Your Ticket) mentions an
Oakland judge who convicted a speeder "on the officer's testimony that
the driver's car sounded like it was being driven at an excessive speed."
  You can pay off the State and your insurance company, or you can
take it to court and be creative.  Personally, I've never won that way
or seen anyone win, but the judge always listens politely.  And I haven't
seen _that_ many attempts.
  You could try the argument that since bikes are shorter than the
cars whose speed the nice officer is accustomed to guessing, they therefore
appear to be further away, and so their speed appears to be greater than
it actually is.  I left out a step or two, but you get the idea.  If you
can make it convincing, theoretically you're supposed to win.
  I've never tried proving the cop was mistaken.  I did get to see
some other poor biker try it.  He was mixing up various facts like
the maximum acceleration of a (cop) car, and the distance at which
the cop had been pacing him, and end up demonstrating that he couldn't
possibly have been going as fast as the cop had suggested.  He'd
brought diagrams and a calculator.  He was Prepared.  He lost.  Keep
in mind cops do this all the time, and their word is better than yours.
Maybe, though, they don't guess how fast bikes are going all the time.
Besides, this guy didn't speak English very well, and ended up absolutely
confounding the judge, the cop, and everyone else in the room who'd been
recently criminalized by some twit with a gun and a quota.
  Ahem.  OK, I'm better now.  Maybe he'd have won had his presentation
been more polished.  Maybe not.  He did get applause.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103172
From: carter@ecf.toronto.edu (CARTER EDWARD A)
Subject: Re: DoD Oficial (tm) Newbie Bike of Choice

In article <1pplsc$38q@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>I propose that the Official DoD Newbie Bike of Choice (tm) be the ZX-11 D.

=8^/  Nothing like giving newbies a land rocket to practice on.  

>It offers
>enough power so that a novice rider can safely  accelerate out of harms way
>in situations where a more experienced rider would use complex avoidance 
>manouvers.

Yup.  Accelerate right into the back of an 18-wheel truck.

Um.  How's the easiest way to get newbies of the road?  :)

Regards, Ted.

---
University of Toronto Computer Engineering               
PowerUsersGroupChairman
'89 FZR600: I'm taking a ride with my best friend.                  DoD#:886699

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103173
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Cultural Enquiries

}>More like those who use their backs instead of their minds to make
}>their living who are usually ignorant and intolerant of anything outside
}>of their group or level of understanding.

There seems to be some confusion between rednecks and white trash.
The confusion is understandable, as there is substantial overlap
between the two sets. Let me see if I can clarify:

Rednecks: Primarily use their backs instead of their minds to make a
	living. Usually somewhat ignorant (by somebody's standards,
	anyway) because they have never held education above basic
	reading/writing/math skills to be that important to their
	eventual vocation. Note I did not say stupid, just ignorant.
	(They might be stupid, but then so are some high percentage
	of any group).

White trash: "White trash fit the stereotype referred to by the
	word 'nigger' better than any black person I ever met, only
	with the added 'bonus' that white trash are mean as hell."
	-- my father. Genuinely lazy (not just out of work or under-
	qualified), good-for-nothing, dishonest, white people who are
	mean as snakes. The "squeal like a pig" boys in _Deliverance_
	may or may not have been rednecks, but they were sure as hell
	white trash.

White trash are assuredly intolerant of anything outside of their
group or level of understanding. Rednecks may or may not be.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103174
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Protective gear 

In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca writes:

>In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>>Question for the day:
>>
>>What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
>>rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
>>leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
>>leather pants, what?
>
>I would go for the gloves. There's not a whole lot that you can do in life if
>you have no skin on your hands. 

Yup! Ruins your sex life!

Tony



+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
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|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
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|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103175
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Twit Bicyclists (was RE: Oh JOY!)

In article <1993Apr2.045903.6066@spectrum.xerox.com> cooley@xerox.com writes:
>Yo, ASSHOLES.  I hope you are all just kidding
>because it's exactly that kind of attidue that gets
>many a MOTORcyclist killed:  "Look at the leather
>clad poseurs!  Watch how they swirve and
>swear as I pretend that they don't exist while
>I change lanes."
>
>If you really find it necesary to wreck others
>enjoyment of the road to boost your ego, then
>it is truely you who are the poseur.
>
>--aaron

Disgruntled Volvo drivers. What are they rebelling against?
 
================================================================================
 Steatopygias's 'R' Us.          doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot.
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103176
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: Question: Arai Quantum-S

In article <C4zqEL.E9B@ms.uky.edu> amir@ms.uky.edu (Amir Sadr) writes:
>they way I want it to.  However, I have the following problem:  My chin hangs
>out from the bottom of the helmet.  I am curious to know whether I would still
>have this problem if I were to switch to the extra large size?  In particular,
>can anyone tell me "for certain", if the outer shell of the "Arai Quantum-S" in
>size X-large is any different (larger-rounder-etc.) than the same helmet in size
>large?  Or if the inner padding/foam on the X-large is such that one's head
>fits a little deeper in the helmet, and thus one's chin would not stick out?
>This is true for the very old Arthur-Fulmer helmets that I have.  Namely, my
>chin hangs out a little from the bottom of the Large helmet, and not at all
>from the X-large (but the X-large is not as snug as the large).  The dealer
>is willing to replace the helmet at no additional cost (i.e. shipping), but
>I want to make sure that 1) the X-large is in fact a little bigger or linered
>such that my chin will not hang out and 2) how much looser will my head fit in
>the X-large?  If anyone has recent experience with this helmet, please let me
>hear (E-mail) from you ASAP.  Thank you so much.  Amir-

I'm not sure about the helmet but for chin questions you might
want to write to a:

 Jay Leno
 c/o Tonight Show 
 Burbank Calif.
 
Good luck.
 
================================================================================
 Steatopygias's 'R' Us.          doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot.
 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more.
================================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103177
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re:  Living

In article <1993Apr05.172836.36759@rchland.ibm.com> pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn) writes:
>In article <05APR93.02451203.0049@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA>, C70A000 <C70A@UNB.CA> 
writes:>|> 
>|> ... I sprained my right ankle once and kept riding, ...
>When I broke my right leg in two places ...

I had knee surgery while I was in the Navy back in 77.  The 
doctors put me in a cast from ass-to-ankle.  My only method of transportaion 
was a DOHC 450 Honda at the time.  I found that by sliding back on the seat 
I could use my heel (did I mention it was my left leg?) to operate the shift.
I would hook the end of the lever with my heel and lift my entire leg for up-
shifts and just drop my leg on the lever for the down-shifts.  Forget 
nutral, took WAY too much finesse for the leg!  The crutches were bungee-
corded to the right side of the bike with the "top" resting on the passenger 
peg and the right turnsignal sticking through the "hole" in the crutches.  
Every other day when I rode the 10 miles to Physical Therapy (tourture 
sessions) the doc would give me hell about riding a bike much less riding in 
my condition.  Didn't stop me tho! B-P

BTW.  This is the same bike I assembled in my second floor barracks room and 
rode down the stairs when it was completed!

  --------======= I am not paid to have an opinion! =======--------
  Dr. Speed                                           Suzuki GS850G
  DoD #8177

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103178
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP

In article <dmatejkaC51DMB.LH6@netcom.com>, dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes:
|> In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes:
|> >       Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.
|> >       Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982
|> >
|> >The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let
|> >us know how it goes.
|> >
|>   Daniel Matejka writes:

|>   Can you beat this ticket?  Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen
|> to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up
|> and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon.
|>   The cop was certainly within his legal rights to nail you by guessing
|> your speed.  Mr. Brown (the author of Fight Your Ticket) mentions an
|> Oakland judge who convicted a speeder "on the officer's testimony that
|> the driver's car sounded like it was being driven at an excessive speed."

*cough* *choke*  WHAT?!?  if a cop gave me a ticket for "sounding" like
i was speeding i'd probably show up in court without a lawyer simply
because "sounding" like speeding is ridiculous.  if i was found guilty
i'd appeal and then show up with a lawyer.

if a cop doesn't do one of:

VASCAR (from car or plane)
RADAR, LIDAR, other electronic speed measuring device
pace me

and i'm within 15mph or so of the limit i'd go to court.  i can accept a
cop "seeing" me going excessively fast (like 25+ over the limit) but
"he looked like he was going 70 or so in a 55 zone" is not "beyond a
reasonable doubt".  granted i may well lose the case but 70 in a 55 measured
by eye???  take it to court for sure.

axel


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103179
From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Protective gear

In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>Question for the day:
>
>What protective gear is the most important? I've got a good helmet (shoei
>rf200) and a good, thick jacket (leather gold) and a pair of really cheap
>leather gloves... What should my next purchase be? Better gloves, boots,
>leather pants, what?

What's your favorite body part? :-)

-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103180
From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year

In article <1993Apr5.182851.23410@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>In article <1993Mar30.214419.923@pb2esac.uucp>, prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:
 
>> That would be low drag bars and way rad rearsets for the FJ, so that the 
>> ergonomic constraints would have contraceptive consequences?
>
>Ouch. :-)   This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the
>Hurt Study.   Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity
>to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended
>that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function
>provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the
>gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the 
>rider doesn't.  I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers
>have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the 
>CBR900RR and the GTS1000A.

I dunno, on my old GS1000E the tank-seat junction was nice and smooth.
But if you were to travel all the way forward, you'd collect the top
triple-clamp in a sensitive area. I'd hate to have to make the choice,
but I think I'd prefer the FJ's gas tank. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103181
From: max@queernet.org (Max J. Rochlin)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP

Interesting.  I'd fight the ticket.  First off, there's a 50/50 chance
the cop won't show up.  Secondly, if he does show up, you should point
out that he lied (purgered) on the ticket.  Why 70+?  I beleive that if
yo're charged with going more than 15mph that the posted speed it's a
more severe ticket.  You couldn't have p[ossibly been going 70+, right?!

-- 
|  max@queernet.org  |   Max J. Rochlin   |  {uunet,sgi}!unpc!max  |
+------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                 Protect me from what I want...                   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103182
From: pnakada@oracle.com (Paul Nakada)
Subject: Eating and Riding was Re: Drinking and Riding


What's the feeling about eating and riding?  I went out riding this
weekend, and got a little carried away with some pecan pie.  The whole
ride back I felt sluggish.  I was certainly much more alert on the
ride in.  I'm sure others have the same feeling, but the strangest
thing is that eating is usually the turnaround point of weekend rides.

From now on, a little snack will do.  I'd much rather have a get that
full/sluggish feeling closer to home.

-Paul
--
Paul Nakada | Oracle Corporation | pnakada@oracle.com
DoD #7773 | '91 R100C | '90 K75S

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103183
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Protective gear

In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>
>I'm still looking for good gloves, myself,
>as the ones I have now are too loose.

	When you find some new ones, I suggest donating the ones
	you have now to the Lautrec family in France... <grin>

				Michael

-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103184
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: Goldwing performance

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) / 11:06 am  Apr  1, 1993 /
In article <1pf2hs$b4d@transfer.stratus.com>, cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
(R. Craig Dodson) wrote:
 
> From the summary in the back of Motorcyclist, they run the 1/4 in
> 13.07 at about 100 mph. Interestingly enough, this Winnebago of bikes
> is faster than any of the Harleys listed. 

  It depreciates much faster, too.
   
====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.
----------
The '84 GL1200A hit the traps at 13.34 according to Cycle magazine. Yeah,
they depreciate faster than Harleys for the first couple of years then
they bottom out. Got my '86 GL1200I w/ 2275 miles on the odometer for
just under $5K in May of 1990 and would ask for $4500 now with almost
16K miles onnit....that's about 50% of what a new GL1500I would cost.

Think the '86 GL1200I originally sold for $6500 brand new, not sure. 
If that's the case then it depreciated 30.77% over 7 years or a mere
$2000. Big Fat Hairy Deal! Based on what I know, Harleys tend to
depreciate your monies far more than the initial depreciation of
the bike itself when it comes to parts and service. All this about
Harleys holding their value better doesn't always wash away the
knocks on them...such as being much slower. ;-) 

According to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a
real dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that
doesn't defecate much. =:-]  
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Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division,
350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103185
From: marty@misty.ca.boeing.com (marty capadona)
Subject: Data Logging?

Greetings:

Can someone steer me towards sources of information on vehicle data
logging systems?  In  particular, I would like to build/buy (or a little
of both) a system that is small enough to fit on a motorcycle and will
take input from various sensors (pressure, LVDT's, acceleration, RPM,
O2 sensor...), digitize and record it for later analysis.  

Please email me any info.  If I get anything interesting, I'll compile
it and get it on the net.  Thanks.

   _______________________________________________________________________
   marty capadona                              marty@carter.ca.boeing.com
                                               seattle, wa
   82 gpz750, 82 gs1100, 88 hawk gt, 90 gs500
   ama, msf, wmrra, omrra...                   Forget what I said.
   _______________________________________________________________________



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103186
From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

Norman Hamer (maven@eskimo.com) wrote:
:  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
: you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
: don't ride until tomorrow"?

It depends on how badly you want to live.  The FAA says "eight hours, bottle
to throttle" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours.  The FARs specify
a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than
twice as strict as DWI minimums.

BTW, alcohol metabolizes in your blood at a fixed rate -- one beer/hour will
keep your blood/alcohol level barely street-legal.  Coffee, hyperventilation
and other bar tricks won't speed it up nor will they fool Mr. Ranger.
-- 
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates				   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103187
From: todd@psgi.UUCP (Todd Doolittle)
Subject:  Fork Seals 

I'm about to undertake changing the fork seals on my '88 EX500.  My Clymer
manual says I need the following tools from Kawasaki:

57001-183  (T handle looking thing in illustration)
57001-1057 (Some type of adapter for the end of the T handle)
57001-1091 No illustration of this tool and the manual just refers to it
           as "the kawasaki tool."
57001-1058 Oil seal and bearing remover.

How necessary are these tools?  Considering the dealers around here didn't
have the Clymer manual, fork seals, and a turn signal assembly in stock I
really doubt they have these tools in stock and I'd really like to get this
done this week.   Any help would be appreciated as always.

--

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  ..vela.acs.oakland.edu!psgi!todd  | '88 RM125 The only bike sold without
  Todd Doolittle                    |           a red-line.         
  Troy, MI                          | '88 EX500                      
  DoD #0832                         |                           
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103188
From: "Jae W. Chang" <jc7j+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: BMW R65 info wanted


Hi, someone is selling his bmw R65 ( I think it's an '84 ) w/ 15k
miles for $2200. He says it's in great condition and perfect shape.
It's got the 2 hard saddle bags, too. 

Is this a good deal? Seems like an awesome deal. Is it - assuming that
everything he says is true ?

Thanks,

Jae

--------------------------
jae@cmu.edu 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103189
From: todd@psgi.UUCP (Todd Doolittle)
Subject: Re:  Motorcycle Courier (Summer Job)

In article <1poj23INN9k@west.West.Sun.COM> gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot) writes:
>In article <8108.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> \
>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes:
>%
>% I think I've found the ultimate summer job: It's dangerous, involves
>% motorcycles, requires high speeds in traffic, and it pays well.
>% 
>% So my question is as follows: Has anyone here done this sort of work?
>% What was your experience?
>% 
[Stuff deleted]
>   Get a -good- "AtoZ" type indexed streetmap for all of the areas  you're
>   likely to work.   Always carry  plenty of black-plastic  bin liners  to

Check with the local fire department.  My buddy is a firefighter and they
have these small map books which are Amazing!  They are compact, easy to
use (no folding).  They even have a cross reference section in which you
match your current cross streets with the cross streets you want to go to
and it details the quickest route.  They gave me an extra they had laying
around.  But then again I know all those people I'm not really sure if they
are supposed to give/sell them. (The police may also have something
similar).
 
>-- 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------

--

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  ..vela.acs.oakland.edu!psgi!todd  | '88 RM125 The only bike sold without
  Todd Doolittle                    |           a red-line.         
  Troy, MI                          | '88 EX500                      
  DoD #0832                         |                           
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103190
From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha)
Subject: Help with backpack



As summer approaches, the usual preparations are being made...

Me was thinking of going for some overnite camping trips in the local
state forests. For that I was planning to get a backpack/rucksack. 
The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given
the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12" high) and
was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest.

Any one have any experiences on such experimentation?

Taking the idea further, what would happen if the backpack was fully
loaded with a full load (40lbs). Is the load distribution going to 
be very severly affected? How will the bike perform with such a load 
clinging to the back rest. If I really secure it, with no shifting, 
do I still increase my chances of surfing?


Collective r.m. wisdom requested.  


p.s. I really can't afford leather pants. Boots and jeans are
all I can make do with. What you think of the knee protectors
which rollerbladers use - the one L.L.Bean and like sells. Is 
that a Bad Idea (tm). Are there any equivalents?



-- 
   '81 CB650 						DoD #1224

	   I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103191
From: gdoherty@us.oracle.com (Greg Doherty)
Subject: BMW '90 K75RT For Sale

[this is posted for a friend, please reply to dschick@holonet.net]

1990 BMW K75RT FOR SALE

Asking 5900.00 or best offer.
This bike has a full faring and is great for touring or commuting. It has
about 30k miles and has been well cared for. The bike comes with one hard
saddle bag (the left one; the right side bag was stolen), a Harro tank bag
(the large one), and  an Ungo Box alarm. Interested? Then Please drop me a
line.
DAS

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103192
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) writes:

> In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> >  What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours 
> > after you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink 
> > tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow"?
> 
> 1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks.
> 1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks.
> 2 hours/drink for the rest.

I took an alcohol server's class a few years ago.  (What the hey- my employer
paid for it...)

We were told that the 1 drink / hour rule was written with 80 proof booze
and a 195 pound person in mind.  Drinking Cuervo Gold, weighing in @ 140,
I obviously will get drunk faster than the theoretical person mentioned
above.  Worse, imagine Rum & coke made with Bacardi 151...

Mind you all, that's for getting too drunk to drive a car.  I may only
have been riding for a month or so, but I plan my evenings with a very
rigid exclusive or statement: Either don't drink, or don't ride.
Pretty simple.

> 
> These are fairly cautious guidelines, and will work even if you happen to 
> have a low tolerance or body mass.
> I think the cops and "Don't You Dare Drink & Drive" (tm) commercials will 
> usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you 
> could very well be over the legal limit. 
> Watch yourself.
> -Mike

Sorry, mike, I have to believe that that policy works best as fertilizer,
even if all you plan to do is drive home nice and "safe" in your cage...

>   ________________________________________________
>  / Mike Muise / mjmuise@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca \ no quotes, no jokes,
>  \ Electrical Engineering, University of Waterloo / no disclaimer, no fear.


--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103193
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

> In article <MJMUISE.38.733926270@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> MJMUISE@1302.wats
> }I think the cops and "Don't You Dare Drink & Drive" (tm) commercials will 
> }usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you 
> }could very well be over the legal limit. 
> }Watch yourself.
> 
> Indeed, especially if you are "smart" and eat some food with your
> drink. The food coating the stomach lining (especially things like
> milk) can temporarily retard the absorption of alcohol. When the
> food is digested, the absorption will proceed, and you will
> actually be drunker (i.e., have a higher instantaneous BAC) than
> you would have been if you had drunk 1 drink/hr. on an empty stomach.
> 
> Put another way, food can cause you to be less drunk than drinking on
> an empty stomach early on in those five hours, but more drunk than
> drinking on an empty stomach later in those five hours.
> -- 
> Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
> DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George
> "There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
>  in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Again, from my alcohol server's class:
The absolute *most* that eating before drinking can do is slow the absorption
down by 15 minutes.  That gives me time to eat, slam one beer, and ride like
hell to try to make it home in the 10 minutes left after paying, donning 
helmet & gloves, starting bike...


--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103194
From: ci513@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Tom Kelly)
Subject: MGNOC ADDRESS?



If anyone has the current Moto Guzzi National Owners Club
address please e-mail it to me. Thanks in advance!
T.K.
-- 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103195
From: ramage@ece.scarolina.edu (Dan Ramage)
Subject: Re: Help with backpack

sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) writes:



>As summer approaches, the usual preparations are being made...

>Me was thinking of going for some overnite camping trips in the local
>state forests. For that I was planning to get a backpack/rucksack. 
>The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given
>the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12" high) and
>was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest.

>Any one have any experiences on such experimentation?

>Taking the idea further, what would happen if the backpack was fully
>loaded with a full load (40lbs). Is the load distribution going to 
>be very severly affected? How will the bike perform with such a load 
>clinging to the back rest. If I really secure it, with no shifting, 
>do I still increase my chances of surfing?

I ride my bike regularly to classes with my book bag.  I take
the shoulder straps on the bag, and hook them around the rear turn
signals.  I works fine.  You probably will want to attach it with
a bungee cord to keep it from shifting to one side or another.


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103196
Subject: Re: New Hudson 1929 questions
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca

davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:

> Dave Tharp CDS (davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com) wrote:
> : In article <kmR91B1w164w@ham.almanac.bc.ca> emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca writes:
> : >
> : >One of their main designers, Bert Le Vack, broke many records at 
> : >Brooklands in the late '20's.
> 
> :   In the early 20's Bert Le Vack set records on INDIANS, including
> : 107.5 MPH at Brooklands in November of 1921, on a 61 in^3 Powerplus
> : racing model.
> 
> Must have been a busy lad, he was also a tuner and all round guru at JAP and 
> worked with George Brough.
> 
> Can someone post me details of "The illustrated Ecyclopedia of Motorcycles", 
> sounds like a book I ought to have a copy of.
> 


Sure, I can. The Illustrated Encyclopedia of Motorcycles, edited by Erwin 
Tragatsch, was published by The Hamlyn Publishing Group Limited, 
Astronaut House, Hounslow Road, Feltham, Middlesex, England.

It was first published in 1977, and mine was reprinted in 1978. Cost then 
was Pounds 5.95 in the UK, though I paid 18.50 for it in Canadian 
dollars. I have no idea whether it's still in print. Perhaps you could 
let the net know.

Bob.

Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | If Lucas built weapons, wars
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | would never start, either.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103197
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: This just in . . . .

In article <1993Apr2.144102.7445@rd.hydro.on.ca>,
	 jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes...
>In article <1993Apr01.155407.11314@i88.isc.com> 
>	jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>>In article <1993Mar31.175023.18928@rchland.ibm.com>
>>	 pooder@msus1.msus.edu	 writes:

>>>>sampled recently were using unauthorized software, the Inspector General
>>>>said in a new report.

>>The Inspector General?

>>Make way, for His Excellency, The Inspector General!


>>(...Hail, hail to Brodney, to the sky...)

>Behold the Lord High Executioner...

>no, that's something else.

	I've already discussed this in e-mail with Jonathan.  It's the film
"The Inspector General"  [:-)], with Danny Kaye, although I can't quote the
name of the leading lady (Because Maltin doesn't :-().  Jonathan thinks there
was an earlier Russian film; "Movies on TV" just says it was based on a Gogol
(Yes, Jonathan, I looked it up again -- only two o's) story.

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103198
From: Brian.Vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu (Brian Vaughan)
Subject: FOR SALE 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 (Michigan)

For sale 1988 Kawasaki EX-500 with 6682 miles.
Excellent condition. Kept in a garage.  Asking $2200.

      - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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      earned  my  contempt.   He  has been  given a  large brain by
      mistake, since for him the  spinal cord would  fully suffice.
                       -- Albert Einstein --
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      Brian Vaughan                   brian_vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103199
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: "Beer" unto bicyclists

In article <31MAR199308594057@erich.triumf.ca>, ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan
D. Reid) wrote:
> 
> In article <tcora-250393111517@b329-gator-1.pica.army.mil>,
> 	 tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes...
> >mxcrew@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_DOMAIN_FILE (The MX-Crew) wrote:
> >> just an information (no flame war please): Budweiser is a beer from the
> >> old CSFR (nowadays ?Tschechien? [i just know the german word]).
> 
> >Czechoslovakia. Budweiser Budwar (pronounced bud-var).
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 	Not any more, a short while ago (Jan 1st?) it split into The Czech
> Republic and Slovakia.  Actually, I think for a couple of years its official
> name was "The Czech and Slovak Republics".  Sheesh!  Don't you guys get CNN??

CNN=YuppieTV

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103200
From: bakalis@apollo.HP.COM (Steven Bakalis)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP

In article <1pqarb$fnq@gaia.ucs.orst.edu>, crucej@osshe.edu (Jerry Cruce) writes:
|> Peter Nesbitt (0005111312@mcimail.com) wrote:
|> : Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by
|> : a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road.  The
|> : officer stated "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down
|> : highway 12.  You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75."  I just said okay,
|> : and did not agree or disagree to anything he said. 
|> 

1) The next time you get stoped by a cop, never never never admit to anything.

2) Don't volunteer any information.

3) When a retoracle question is ask by the cop, like "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down highway 12.  You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75?" -- the correct reponse is to deny it. This technique is employed by police to help establish guilt, especially when (9 times out of 10) he/she is not sure who was doing the speeding. If the cop is unsure this may be the difference of him letting you off the hook or getting the tissue.

Hope this helps for next time.

Steven Bakalis

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103201
From: frahm@ucsu.colorado.edu (Joel A. Frahm)
Subject: Re: Identify this bike for me


In article <1993Apr6.002937.9237@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>In article <1993Apr5.193804.18482@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes:
>}first I thought it was an 'RC31' (a Hawk modified by Two Brothers Racing),
>}but I did not think that they made this huge tank for it.  Additionally,
>
I think I've seen this bike.  Is it all white, with a sea-green stripe
and just 'HONDA' for decals, I've seen such a bike numerous times over
by Sewall hall at CU, and I thought it was a race-prepped CBR. 
I didn't see it over at the EC parking lot (I buzzed over there on my 
way home, all of 1/2 block off my route!)  but it was gone.

Is a single sided swingarm available for the CBR?  I would imagine so, 
kinda neccisary for quick tire changes.  When I first saw it, I assumed it
was a bike repainted to cover crash damage.

Joel.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103202
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: Help with backpack

Sanjay Sinha (sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu) wrote:

: The next question is how shall I carry the thing on the bike, given
: the metal frame and all. I have a big backrest (approx 12" high) and
: was hoping that I would be able to bungee cord the backpack to the backrest.

: Any one have any experiences on such experimentation?

Put the pack on the pillion and bungee it to the backrest.
If that is not possible then you should be able to bungee it behind the
backrest, just make sure it doesn't bend or break anything like the rear
fender or turnsignals.
--

*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck                                          ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu *
* "Cars making a sudden U-turn are the most dangerous.  They may cut you off  *
*  entirely, blocking the whole roadway and leaving you no place to go."      *
*  pg. 21, MSF Motorcycle Operator Manual, sixth rev. 1991                    *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103203
From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling)
Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)

In article <1993Apr4.135829.28141@pro-haven.cts.com>,
shadow@pro-haven.cts.com writes:
|>In <1993Apr3.094509.11448@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
|>asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
|>
|>% By the way, the short-lived Zephyr is essentially a GpZ 550,
|>
|>Why was the "Zephyr" discontinued?  I heard something about a problem with
|>the name, but I never did hear anything certain... 

Ford had an anemic mid-sized car by that name back in the last decade.
I rented one once.  That car would ruin the name "Zephyr" for any other
use.

Rod
---               
Roderick Sprattling		| No job too great, no time too small
sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com	| With feet to fire and back to wall.





 






 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103204
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Why I won't be getting my Low Rider this year

In article <1993Apr5.182851.23410@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>
>Ouch. :-)   This brings to mind one of the recommendations in the
>Hurt Study.   Because the rear of the gas tank is in close proximity
>to highly prized and easily damaged anatomy, Hurt et al recommended
>that manufacturers build the tank so as to reduce the, er, step function
>provided when the rider's body slides off of the seat and onto the
>gas tank in the unfortunate event that the bike stops suddenly and the 
>rider doesn't.  I think it's really inspiring how the manufacturers
>have taken this advice to heart in their design of bikes like the 
>CBR900RR and the GTS1000A.

	When I'm riding my 900RR, my goodies are already up
	against the tank, because the design of the Corbin seat
	tends to move you forward.

	Wouldn't the major danger to one's cajones be due to
	accelerating into and then being stopped by the tank?  If
	you're already there, there wouldn't be an impact
	problem, would there?

				- Michael -


-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103205
From: behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo?

In article <6APR93.15402582@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:
>I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo.  I'm 
>considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US)
>with 30,000 km on the odo.  This will be my first bike.  Any comments?

	Don't just nab it, POUNCE on it.  These are fairly rare bikes, and
they are MORE than adequate for putting a big brown stripe in your shorts.
Does a 50mph power wheelie appeal to you?  I thought it would...

	Only really bad things:  the stock clutch isn't up to the task.
Barnett can take care of this.  The back tire wears quickly (gee, wonder why?),
and the induction system is a bear to work on.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - pending delivery
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103206
From: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky)
Subject: Re: Tools Tools Tools

In article <1993Apr5.165548.21479@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>	While we're on the subject, has anyone else noticed that the 1/2" deep
>well in Craftsman's $60 SAE deep well set is too small to fit a 1/2" bolt or
>nut?
>
>	When I took the socket in for an exchange, EVERY !#%@ one of the 1/2"
>deep well sockets on the rack had the exact same problem!!!  Looking into the
>socket, it appears that Craftsman's toolmaker attempted to imitate flank drive
>on this piece, but did not account for the extra clearance needed inside the
>socket.

Never had any problem with mine...

Are you *SURE* the nut/bolt you are trying is really a 1/2" hex?  13mm
is just slightly larger...  and a 1/2 wrench won't fit on a GM 13mm
nut (my 91 GMC pickup has several 13mm nuts on it...  really annoying, metric
threads too.  Seems that most of the body is metric, most of the engine is
SAE).


-- 
--=< Jonathan Lusky ----- lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >=-- 
     \    89 Jeep Wrangler - 258/for sale!       / 
      \        79 Rx-7 - 12A/Holley 4bbl        / 
       \________67 Camaro RS - 350/4spd________/ 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103207
From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article <C52nnt.J3I@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (R
ussell P. Hughes) writes:
>What a great day! Got back home last night from some fantastic skiing
>in Colorado, and put the battery back in the FXSTC. Cleaned the plugs,
>opened up the petcock, waited a minute, hit the starter, and bingo it
>started up like a charm! Spent a restless night anticipating the first
>ride du saison, and off I went this morning to get my state inspection
>done. Now my bike is stock (so far) except for HD slash-cut pipes, and
                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Therein lies the rub.  The HD slash cut, or baloney cuts as some call
them, ARE NOT STOCK mufflers.  They're sold for "off-road use only,"
and are much louder than stock mufflers.

Arnie

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103208
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?

This morning a truck that had been within my sight (and I within
his) for about 3 miles suddenly forgot that I existed and pulled
over right on me -- my front wheel was about even with the back
edge of his front passenger door as I was accelerating past him.

It was trivial enough for me to tap the brakes and slide behind him
as he slewed over (with no signal, of course) on top of me, with
my little horn blaring (damn, I need Fiamms!), but the satisfaction
of being aware of my surroundings and thus surviving was not enough,
especially when I later pulled up alongside the bastard and he made
no apologetic wave or anything.

Is there some way that I can memorize the license plate of an
offending vehicle and get the name and address of the owner?
I'm not going to firebomb houses or anything, I'd just like to
write a consciousness-raising letter or two. I think that it would
be good for BDI cagers to know that We Know Where They Live.
Maybe they'd use 4 or 5 brain cells while driving instead of the
usual 3.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103209
From: terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham)
Subject: Re: CNN California MC helmet law article


  <jlp.733424226@wink>, jlp@blink.att.com (Jon Peticolas(x7058)) writes:
> 
> Hey! it works. You could present the paragraph above to virtually any member
> of the non-motorcycling public and they'll buy right into it.
> 
> Just about any argument you can produce in favor of banning helmetless
> riding can be used to argue in favor of banning motorcycles.
> It's just a matter of degree.

That's absurd! That statement must therefore say that any argument in favor
of seatbelts or airbags is an argument against automobiles.  Any argument
for lifeguards is an argument against swimming.  It says that any agrgument
in favor of safety precautions is an argument for banning the activity to 
which the precautions apply.  Extrapolating to that degree is ridiculous,
there wouldn't be any normal human activity left to do; therefore it is
a non-seqitur.

Also, even though most people do not ride motorcycles, they do boat, sail,
jetski, climb, ski, fly parachute, hang-glide, glide, bungee-jump, bike,
skate, rollerblade, skateboard, play rugby (ouch), mow the lawn, rewire
the basement, operate heavy machinery,  and do a host of other 'dangerous'
things that would all be as valid as motorcycling as activities to ban.
Your little homily applies to all those things, and the general public
buying into banning motorcycles without realizing that their activity
would be next is unlikely.

-- 
 | Terry Cunningham terry@rsi.prc.com | "Donuts!  Is there anything they     |
 | DoD# 541   Diviner of Dreams       |  can't do? "           Homer         |
 | HIFI# 2                            |                                      |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103210
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article <C52nnt.J3I@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Russell P. Hughes) writes:
}start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB,
}and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna

Next time make the numbers more believable -- this is poor flamebait.
120 DB is getting close to the sound of a jumbo jet engine at takeoff
revs from some small number of yards away. It is certainly right
around the pain threshold for humans. No way in hell the state permits
110 DB if they have any standard at all.

-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103211
From: elef@smarmy.Eng.Sun.COM (elaine 'beano' leffler)
Subject: Re: Kawi Zephyr? (was Re: Vision vs GpZ 550)

In article 3126@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu, asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
>By the way Bob, er Dave (sorry!), I had read a review that said the 550
>engine was pretty much identical to the GPz, but that the suspension
>and frame is more modern. 

the fancy piggyback shocks on the 550 (and the 750, i think.  i don't
know about the zr1100) are very nice, 3-way adjustability.  the forks
are crappy, they dive like MAD.  i had progressive springs installed
and it made a huge difference.  cheap fix, MUCH improvement.

elef

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103212
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: How NOT to put a motor together

In article <1993Apr6.183553.19539@tcsi.com> markk@tcs.com (Mark Kromer) writes:
>In article <65886@mimsy.umd.edu>, leavitt@cs (Mr. Bill) writes:
>
>[put pistons in bores first then lower onto bottom end deleted]
>
>>Has anybody actually carried out this procedure?  I can visualize fewer
>>problems with canting pistons in the cylinders with this method, but
>>more trouble with keeping the bores suspended (especially for the first
>>two pistons) and with working space to insert piston pins and clips
>>(especially for the last two pistons).

    It is certainly possible, and quite easy in most cases, especially
on two-strokes.  It's very common to do this on bikes where the
cylinder-mounting through-studs don't prevent the cylinder from being
removed with the engine in the frame.
    I did this when I assembled the top end on my Indian, which was
easier yet because it does not have through-studs.  Base flange studs,
and separate head bolts, dontchaknow.
    You have to use a little foresight, rags, duct tape, etc. to keep
clips from falling in, clothespins, hoseclamps, etc. to support the
cylinder while you're inserting the pins.
    (Are these called Gudgeon Pins in the UK? If so, what's a Gudgeon?)

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| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
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|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103213
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Why mod a ZX-11? (was ZX-11 #4 cylinder running HOT,)

In <1993Apr1.212334.14870@exu.ericsson.se> lmcstst@noah.ericsson.se (Stamos Stamos) writes:

>In article <1993Apr1.173354.14424@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@phoenix.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>

>Power? hmmmmmm, well I haven't got it on the dyno or jetted. (waiting for the snow
>to melt) Although I have a Factory jet kit + 4' advance,(jets are 145s, the stock
>is 140, my book says 130 Calif.-> 150 UK, strange?), I don't want to fit it unless
>there is a dyno handy.

  I've heard that bikes tuned to perfection on the Dyno can be a little
too close to the edge for street use. Cold morning, bad gas, etc.

  Apparently they back them of some even for track use. 

 You pays your money ...

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous



















>--
>Stamos <lmcstst@lmc.ericsson.se>            ZZR11            Ellas
>Ericsson, Cellular Design
>Montreal, Canada.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103214
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (1)

davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
]In article <1076@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
]>cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
][bozo posts GIFS to rec.moto]
]>he and his postmaster are also gonna get 500 copies of the post in their 
]>mailboxes.
]
]   Hey, it's a great picture.  You can't fault his taste, only his
]technique.  Chill out and educate instead of getting your panties in a
]bunch.

ditto to you Dave. I'm using the picture as the bacground on my sun, and
I haven't sent a single message to the guy. looks like you get to keep the
panties.

-- 
Joe Senner -- joe@Rider.Cactus.Org                                 Austin, TX

WARNING: DO NOT LOOK INTO LASER WITH REMAINING EYE.
                   -- Posted in a radioactive isotope research lab (from r.h.f)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103215
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

In article <C514ut.A5I@magpie.linknet.com>, manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:
{drinking & riding}
> It depends on how badly you want to live.  The FAA says "eight hours, bottle
> to throttle" for pilots but recommends twenty-four hours.  The FARs specify
> a blood/alcohol level of 0.4 as legally drunk, I think, which is more than
> twice as strict as DWI minimums.

0.20 is DWI in New York?  Here the limit is 0.08 !
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103216
Subject: Re: Protective gear
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

In article <734055654snz@morgan.demon.co.uk>, tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) writes:
> In article <1993Apr5.151323.7183@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca writes:
>>In article <C4wKFs.BC1@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>>>What protective gear is the most important?
>>
>>I would go for the gloves. There's not a whole lot that you can do in life if
>>you have no skin on your hands. 
> 
> Yup! Ruins your sex life!

YOUR sex life, maybe....
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103217
Subject: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die
From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Russell P. Hughes)

What a great day! Got back home last night from some fantastic skiing
in Colorado, and put the battery back in the FXSTC. Cleaned the plugs,
opened up the petcock, waited a minute, hit the starter, and bingo it
started up like a charm! Spent a restless night anticipating the first
ride du saison, and off I went this morning to get my state inspection
done. Now my bike is stock (so far) except for HD slash-cut pipes, and
all went well with my New Hampshire State Inspection (meaning all my
lights worked OK) until the dude produces a decibel meter and tells me
about the new NH law about MC noise.....huh?  sez I....and he has me
start her up and rev to about 3000 rpm....I FAIL cuz I register 120 DB,
and the max allowed is 110! If I fail with these pipes, there are gonna
be a whole lotta seriously pissed off bikers round here when they go
for inspection.

*&%^*$%*^*%*&

But hey, its a new experience! I have never really felt like a menace
to society before! I parked, dismounted and walked in to my building
with a slight swagger to my step, and a narrow lidded look... I sensed
my faculty colleagues unease with my new intimidating status...and
women's glances seemed to linger just a little longer....or perhaps
that was my imagination.......*sigh*

Now I need to install my new BUB pipes and single fire ignition....I
wonder how I will do after that!? 

Russ Hughes  '92 FXSTC  DoD# 6022(10E20)
"Love ...yeah, that's the feeling you get when you like something
as much as your motorcycle."
                     --Sonny Barger (as told to me by Ed Campbell,
                  who has an old friend who was there at the time)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103218
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: insect impacts

In article <2385@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> labrg@emory.edu (Ryan Montieth Gill) writes:
>
>	For those who have had problems with small birds what about the
>	large raptor types when they are swooping across the road after
>	smallish prey?? I had a hawk, Falcon what ever come within 5
>	feet of me, lucky for him (or me for that matter) he noticed me
>	and my, and pulled up on his/her trajectory at the last moment.
>	Scared the shit outa me...nothing like a red tailed hawk in the
>	face, Talons and all....I wonder if riding a Nighthawk has
>	anything to do with it....hmmmm?
>
>			Ryan
>			0780

I got a male Mallard duck in the chest once.

It was like being kicked by my karate instructor.

No accident, but my eyes were tearing so hard, and I was wheezing
so loudly, that it's quite remarkable that I was able to come
to a stop with the rubber side up.

The duck, BTW, lived, and seemed quite healthy, though we both
sat by the roadside and shook our heads for a few minutes.

The bruise went from my right collar bone all the way down to
my belly button.

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103219
From: wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake)
Subject: EC BHP limit vetoed

According to BBC Radio this morning, UK, Denmark, Portugal & a few
others have vetoed a proposal to limit EC-sold bikes to 100 BHP.  The
reason is that such a limit is not supported by accident statistics - a
rare example of governmental wisdom.  The limit has a five year
moratorium on it, and "specialist" manufacturers will be exempt anyway. 
Any suspicion that this is a crafty trick to restrict that end of the
market in Europe to Triumph, Norton (who? :-)), BMW, Cagiva & Ducati is
the sort of dangerous rubbish which stalls GATT talks.

You heard it here first.

Bill @ Univ Edinburgh, replete with 12 hp and a healthy blue exhaust.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103220
From: ewm@cbnews.cb.att.com (edward.w.mcfarland)
Subject: Re: Speeding ticket from CHP

In article <dmatejkaC51DMB.LH6@netcom.com> dmatejka@netcom.com (Daniel Matejka) writes:
>In article <1pq4t7$k5i@agate.berkeley.edu> downey@homer.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Allen B. Downey) writes:
>>       Fight your ticket : California edition by David Brown 1st ed.
>>       Berkeley, CA : Nolo Press, 1982
>>
>>The second edition is out (but not in UCB's library).  Good luck; let
>>us know how it goes.
>>
>  Daniel Matejka writes:
>  The fourth edition is out, too.  But it's probably also not
>very high on UCB's "gotta have that" list.
>
>In article <65930405053856/0005111312NA1EM@mcimail.com> 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt) writes:
>>Riding to work last week via Hwy 12 from Suisun, to I-80, I was pulled over by
>>a CHP black and white by the 76 Gas station by Jameson Canyon Road.  The
>>officer stated "...it <looked> like you were going kinda fast coming down
>>highway 12.  You <must have> been going at least 70 or 75."  I just said okay,
>>and did not agree or disagree to anything he said. 
>
>  Can you beat this ticket?  Personally, I think it's your Duty As a Citizen
>to make it as much trouble as possible for them, so maybe they'll Give Up
>and Leave Us Alone Someday Soon.

Right on, it is every citizen's right and duty to FORCE government
accountability.

(anecdotes deleted)

>  I've never tried proving the cop was mistaken.  I did get to see
>some other poor biker try it.  He was mixing up various facts like
>the maximum acceleration of a (cop) car, and the distance at which
>the cop had been pacing him, and end up demonstrating that he couldn't
>possibly have been going as fast as the cop had suggested.  He'd
>brought diagrams and a calculator.  He was Prepared.  He lost.  Keep
>in mind cops do this all the time, and their word is better than yours.

Also keep in mind that cops will LIE in court to get their way! (don't get
me started by asking how I know ;) If you decide to fight you have to be ready
for this as well as devise strategy to make the cop's story doubtful in the
judge/jury's mind.

>Maybe, though, they don't guess how fast bikes are going all the time.
>Besides, this guy didn't speak English very well, and ended up absolutely
>confounding the judge, the cop, and everyone else in the room who'd been
>recently criminalized by some twit with a gun and a quota.
>  Ahem.  OK, I'm better now.  Maybe he'd have won had his presentation
>been more polished.  Maybe not.  He did get applause.
                                                  |~~~~~|  
                                                  |_____|
  Ed McFarland  ewm@mvuzr.att.com            (_) /|
  US Marshalls #9 (corner marshals)         /| |/
  The best seat in the house to watch        |_|
  motorcycle roadracing!                    /   \  NO Passing on Waving Yellow

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103221
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Carrying crutches (was Re: Living

In article <1pqhkl$g48@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>,
	 ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes...
>	When I got my knee rebuilt I got back on the street bike ASAP. I put
>the crutches on the rack and the passenger seat and they hung out back a
>LONG way. Just make sure they're tied down tight in front and no problemo.
 ^^^^
	Hmm, sounds like a useful trick -- it'd keep the local cagers at least
a crutch-length off my tail-light, which is more than they give me now.  But
do I have to break a leg to use it?

	(When I broke my ankle dirt-biking, I ended up strapping the crutches
to the back of the bike & riding to the lab.  It was my right ankle, but the
bike was a GT380 and started easily by hand.)

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.     "Beware drainage ditches on firetrails"	DoD #484

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103222
From: howp@skyfox
Subject: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo?

I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo.  I'm 
considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US)
with 30,000 km on the odo.  This will be my first bike.  Any comments?

Thanks.

Peter How
Institute of Space and Atmospheric Studies
University of Saskatchewan,
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan
CANADA
(306) 966-6452
IN::how@skisas.usask.ca
**********************************************************************
*                      1983 clapped-out Ford Truck                   *
**********************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103223
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Its still cold, but...


>> 
>> One thing is certain, though, its still too cold.  After about 40
>> minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while.  

Be VERY careful about this. If youre really cold the muffler will
feel fine till you leave all the charred skin on it when you peel
your hands off - I speak from experience. You can also do all 
kindsa (Americanism of the day) damage to your circulation warming 
hands up on something too hot. By far the best (fastest and safest)
way to do it is to shove the hands up the opposit sleeves and
stand there like a Ming emporer for a while. Five minutes should 
do it.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103224
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: re: Its still cold, but...

>first ride of the season.
>
One thing is certain, though, its still too cold.  After about 40
>minutes, I had to stop and hold my muffler for a while.  When I got
>home after a few hours, I kept all my gear on for about a half hour
>in the house.  40F, 100% humidity, no wind protection, and 75mph
>do not mix well.
>

Hell! This is WARM. I retired my fleece from under the Aerostich last 
month when the temperature got aboce 40. Try living a couple of years 
on the dole, so you cant afford any heating. You put the gear on in
October, abd you take it off again in May. Getting out on the bike 
seems like a luxury in comparison cos oyur usuallu going somewhere 
warm. 

Its all relative.

>
>Happy cold riding.
>

Who are you trying to kid - its the pain that makes it all worthwhile.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103225
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Freezing and Riding

>every spec of alertness to keep from getting squished, otherwise it's not
>only dangerous, it's unpleasant. The same goes for cold and fatigue, as I
>once took a half hour nap at a gas station to insure that I would make it

Yeah, hypothermia is MUCH more detrimemtal to your judgement and reactions
than people realise. I wish I had the patience to stop when I should. One
day I'll pay for it....

If you  begin to shiver - STOP and warm up thoroughly. If you leave it
till the shivering stops, this doesnt mean you're OK again, it means 
you're a danger to yourself and everyone else on the road - your brain
and body are working about as fast as a tree grows. You will not realise
this yourself till you hit something. The next stage is passing out. 
This usually means falling off.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103226
From: azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding


>So, you can't ride the bike, but you will drive truck home? The
>judgement and motor skills needed to pilot a moto are not required in a
>cage? This scares the sh*t out of me.
>  
This is a piece of psychology its essential for any long term biker to
understand. People do NOT think 'if I do this will someone else suffer?'.
They assess things purely on' if I do this will I suffer?.

This is a vital concept in bike-cage interaction.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103227
From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: Eating and Riding was Re: Drinking and Riding

In article <PNAKADA.93Apr5140811@pnakada.oracle.com> Paul Nakada,
pnakada@oracle.com writes:
>
>What's the feeling about eating and riding?  I went out riding this
>weekend, and got a little carried away with some pecan pie.  The whole
>ride back I felt sluggish.  I was certainly much more alert on the
>ride in.  I'm sure others have the same feeling, but the strangest
>thing is that eating is usually the turnaround point of weekend rides.
>
>From now on, a little snack will do.  I'd much rather have a get that
>full/sluggish feeling closer to home.
>
>-Paul
>--
>Paul Nakada | Oracle Corporation | pnakada@oracle.com
>DoD #7773 | '91 R100C | '90 K75S
>

To maintain my senses at their sharpest, I never eat a full meal
within 24 hrs of a ride.   I've tried Slim Fast Lite before a 
ride but found that my lap times around the Parliament Buildings suffered 
0.1 secs.   The resultant 70 pound weight loss over the summer
just sharpens my bike's handling and I can always look
forward to a winter of carbo-loading.

Obligatory 8:)

Dave D.F.
"It's true they say that money talks.  When mine spoke it said
'Buy me a Drink!'."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103228
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Thoughts on a 1982 Yamaha Seca Turbo?


In a previous article, howp@skyfox () says:

>I was wondering if anybody knows anything about a Yamaha Seca Turbo.  I'm 
>considering buying a used 1982 Seca Turbo for $1300 Canadian (~$1000 US)
>with 30,000 km on the odo.  This will be my first bike.  Any comments?
			     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Because of this I cannot in good faith recommend a Seca Turbo.  Power
delivery is too uneven for a novice.  The Official (tm) Dod newbie
bike of choice would be more appropriate because the powerband is so wide
and delivery is very smooth. Perfect for the beginner.


-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103229
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: insect impacts

I feel childish.

In article <1ppvds$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>>>
>>>>how _do_ the helmetless do it?
>>>
>>>Um, the same way people do it on 
>>>horseback
>>
>>not as fast, and they would probably enjoy eating bugs, anyway
>
>Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain.  And we eat
>flies, thank you.

Who mentioned dirtbikes? We're talking highway speeds here. If you go 70mph
on your dirtbike then feel free to contribute.

>>>jeeps
>>
>>you're *supposed* to keep the windscreen up
>
>then why does it go down?

Because it wouldn't be a Jeep if it didn't. A friend of mine just bought one
and it has more warning stickers than those little 4-wheelers (I guess that's
becuase it's a big 4 wheeler). Anyway, it's written in about ten places that
the windshield should remain up at all times, and it looks like they've made
it a pain to put it down anyway, from what he says. To be fair, I do admit
that it would be a similar matter to drive a windscreenless Jeep on the 
highway as for bikers. They may participate in this discussion, but they're
probably few and far between, so I maintain that this topic is of interest
primarily to bikers.

>>>snow skis
>>
>>NO BUGS, and most poeple who go fast wear goggles
>
>So do most helmetless motorcyclists.

Notice how Ed picked on the more insignificant (the lower case part) of the 
two parts of the statement. Besides, around here it is quite rare to see 
bikers wear goggles on the street. It's either full face with shield, or 
open face with either nothing or aviator sunglasses. My experience of 
bicycling with contact lenses and sunglasses says that non-wraparound 
sunglasses do almost nothing to keep the crap out of ones eyes.

>>The question still stands. How do cruiser riders with no or negligible helmets
>>stand being on the highway at 75 mph on buggy, summer evenings?
>
>helmetless != goggleless

Ok, ok, fine, whatever you say, but lets make some attmept to stick to the
point. I've been out on the road where I had to stop every half hour to clean
my shield there were so many bugs (and my jacket would be a blood-splattered
mess) and I'd see guys with shorty helmets, NO GOGGLES, long beards and tight
t-shirts merrily cruising along on bikes with no windscreens. Lets be really
specific this time, so that even Ed understands. Does anbody think that 
splattering bugs with one's face is fun, or are there other reasons to do it?
Image? Laziness? To make a point about freedom of bug splattering?

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103230
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding (eww, gross)

In article <MJMUISE.38.733926270@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise) writes:
>
>1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks.
>1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks.
>2 hours/drink for the rest.

In my case it goes down after the first four, because the fifth one usually
makes me throw up the last two.

Needless to say, I don't drink very much anymore, as the last time that
happened was in the second year of my undergrad. I was a silly .edu breath,
and pretty bad breath at that.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103231
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <ls1v14INNjml@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
>
>Obcountersteer:  For some reason, I've discovered that pulling on the
>wrong side of the handlebars (rather than pushing on the other wrong
>side, if you get my meaning) provides a feeling of greater control.  For
>example, rather than pushing on the right side to lean right to turn 
>right (Hi, Lonny!), pulling on the left side at least until I get leaned
>over to the right feels more secure and less counter-intuitive.  Maybe
>I need psychological help.

I told a newbie friend of mine, who was having trouble from the complicated
explanations of his rider course, to think of using the handlebars to lean,
not to turn. Push the right handlebar "down" (or pull left up or whatever)
to lean right. It worked for him, he stopped steering with his tuchus.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103232
From: andersen@me.udel.edu (Stephen Andersen)
Subject: Riding Jacket Recommendations

My old jacket is about to bite the dust so I'm in the market for a new riding
jacket.  I'm looking for  recommendations for a suitable replacement.  I would
like to buy a full Aerostich suit but I can't afford $700 for it right now.

I'm considering two basic options:

1)  Buy the Aerostich jacket only.  Dunno how much it costs
    due to recent price increases, but I'd imagine over $400.
    That may be pushing my limit.  Advantages include the fact
    that I can later add the pants, and that it nearly eliminates
    the need for the jacket portion of a rainsuit.

2)  Buy some kind of leather jacket.  I like a few of the new 
    Hein-Gericke FirstGear line, however they may be a bit pricey
    unless I can work some sort of deal.  Advantages of leather
    are potentially slightly better protection, enhanced pose
    value (we all know how important that is :-), possibly cheaper
    than upper Aerostich.

Requirements for a jacket are that it must fit over a few other 
layers (mainly a sizing thing), if leather i'd prefer a zip-out 
lining, it MUST have some body armor similar to aerostich (elbows, 
shoulders, forearms, possibly back/kidney protection, etc.), a 
reasonable amount of pocket space would be nice, ventilation would 
be a plus, however it must be wearable in cold weather (below
freezing) with layers or perhaps electrics.

Please fire away with suggestions, comments, etc...

Steve
--
-- 
 Steve Andersen  DoD #0239                               andersen@me.udel.edu
 (302) 832-0136                                     andersen@zr1.ccm.udel.edu
 1992 Ducati 907 I.E.                                      1987 Yamaha SRX250
 "Life is simply a consequence of the complexities of carbon chemistry..."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103233
From: kurt@oddjob.uchicago.edu (Kurt Henriksen)
Subject: BRAKE ROTORS..CROSS DRILLING...1-312-702-8323



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103234
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: insect impacts

In article <1993Apr6.154544.28595@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>In article <1ppvds$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
>>In article 7290@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>Every bit as fast as a dirtbike, in the right terrain.  And we eat
>>flies, thank you.
>Who mentioned dirtbikes? We're talking highway speeds here. If you go 70mph
>on your dirtbike then feel free to contribute.

Obviously never rode a good 250 or open-class bike!

  --------======= I am not paid to have an opinion! =======--------
  Dr. Speed                                           Suzuki GS850G
  DoD #8177

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103235
From: SRUHL@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Stefan Ruhl)
Subject: crappy Honda CX650

Hi, I just have a small question about my bike. 
Being a fairly experienced BMW and MZ-Mechanic, I just don't know what to 
think about my Honda. 
She was using too much oil for the last 5000 km (on my trip to Daytona bike 
week this spring), and all of a sudden, she trailed smoke like hell and 
was running only on one cylinder. 
I towed the bike home and took it apart, but everything looks in perfect 
working order. No cracks in the heads or pistons, the cylinder walls look 
very clean, and the wear of pistons and cylinders is not measurable. All 
still within factory specs. The only thing I could find, however, was a 
slightly bigger ring gap on the right cylinder (the one with the problem), 
but it is still way below the wear-limit given in the Clymer-manual for 
this bike. 
Any syggestions??? What else could cause my problem??? Do I have to hone 
the cylinder walls (make them a little rougher in a criss-cross-pattern) in 
order to get better breaking in of my new rings??? Won't that increase the 
wear of my pistons??
Please send comments to 
	sruhl@mechanical.watstar.uwaterloo.ca
Thanks in advance. Stef. 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
Stefan Ruhl 
german exchange student. 
Don't poke into my privacy ! 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103236
From: sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com (Rod Sprattling)
Subject: Self-Insured (was: Should liability insurance be required?)

In article <viking.733962547@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu>,
viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
|>	I get annoyed at insurance.  Hence, I'm self-insured above
|>liability.  Mandating that I play their game is silly if I've a better
|>game to play and everybody is still financially secure.

What's involved in getting bonded?  Anyone know if that's an option
recognized by NYS DMV?

Rod
---
Roderick Sprattling		| No job too great, no time too small
sprattli@azores.crd.ge.com	| With feet to fire and back to wall.





 






 


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103237
From: plevine@orca.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Peter Levine)
Subject: BIKE FOR SALE ... 1986 Harley FLHTC



For sale 1986 Harley FLHTC Liberty Edition.
Good condition. Many extras. Asking $7500.
Located in Rhode Island.

      Peter Levine	plevine@ele.uri.edu






Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103238
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Goldwing performance

In article <3880206@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
|According to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a
|real dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that
|doesn't defecate much. =:-]  

  But, think of the *mystique* you are buying into for that extra $7k or
more!!!

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103239
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?

Curtis Jackson (cjackson@adobe.com) wrote:
: The driver had looked over at me casually a couple of times; I
: know he knew I was there.

oh, okay.  then in that case it was
attemped vehicular manslaughter.
he definitely wanted to kill you.
all cagers want to kill bikers.
that's the only explanation that
i can think of.

-- hesh

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103240
From: denis@apldbio.com (Denis Concordel)
Subject: *** For sale: 1988 Husqvarna 510TE ***

For sale:

  Model  : Husqvarna 510 TE (enduro model)
  Year   : 1988
  Engine : 500 cc Four Stroke

  Extras : - 1992 ignition (for easy starting)
           - Suspension by Aftershock
           - Custom carbon fiber/Kevlar skid plate
           - Quick steering geometry
           - Stock (EPA legal and quiet) exhaust system
           - Bark busters and hand guards
           - Motion Pro clutch cable

  Price  : $2200

  Contact: Denis Concordel  E-Mail: denis@apldbio.com
                            MaBell: (415) 570 6667 (work)
                                    (415) 494 7109 (home)

  I am selling my trusty Husky... hopefully to buy a Husaberg...  This is
  a very good dirt bike and has been maintained perfectly.  I never had
  any problems with it.

  It's a four stroke, 4 valves, liquid cooled engine. It is heavier than 
  a 250 2 stroke but still lighter than a Honda XR600 and has a lot better 
  suspension (Ohlins shock, Husky fork) than the XR. For the casual or non
  competitive rider, the engine is much better than any two stroke.
  You can easily lug up hills and blast through trails with minimum gear
  changes.
  
  The 1992 ignition and the carefully tuned carburation makes this bike
  very easy to start (starts of first kick when cold or hot).  There is a
  custom made carbon/kevlar (light 1 pound) wrap around skid plate to protect
  the engine cases and the water pump.  The steering angle has been reduced 
  by 2 degree to increase steering quickness. This with the suspension tune-up
  by Phil Douglas of Aftershock (Multiple time ISDE rider) gives it a better
  ride than most bike: plush suspension, responsive steering with no head shake.

  So if it is such a good bike why sell it???? Gee, I want to buy a Husaberg,
  which just a husky but 25 pounds lighter... and a tad more $$$.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103241
From: 0005111312@mcimail.com (Peter Nesbitt)
Subject: Thanks for the speeding ticket advice!

I'd like to thank everyone who took the time to respond to my post about 
fighting my ticket.

Many of you wrote to say that you have successfully fought and won your 
case in court.  Others lost due to the cop outright lying to the judge 
about the circumstances surrounding your ticket, while one fellow lost
because the judge just didn't appear to be in the mood for such foolishness.

Several of you suggested that I obtain a book called "Fight Your Ticket".

The general theme from those who said "go for it", was to be prepared.  
I should do as much research as possible, go back and review the scene, 
transcribe what happened to tape or paper, use any witnesses that may 
have been around, have a list of questions to ask the cop and/or the judge,
and to be positive and assertive.  I am innocent until proven guilty! <gulp>

A few people suggested trying to get my court date changed, as this might 
trip up the arresting officer, he may not show up if the date is on his day
off or if he feels/knows that he doesn't have a chance to win against you.

One individual stated that an Officer could be an Expert Witness, and if he
says I was speeding, then by damn, I was speeding.

Another says that I must have been paced or clocked with a radar gun.

Lots of good suggestions and ideas from you all.  I'll let you know what
happens after the big day!

/-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\

| Peter D. Nesbitt |     Air Traffic Controller     | PNESBITT@MCIMAIL.COM    |

|                  |       Oakland Bay TRACON       |                         |

\-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/

 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103242
From: remmons@iat.holonet.net (Robert Emmons)
Subject: Re: MAIL ORDER

>If you get good service from a shop, or they regularly have merchandise
                 ^^^^^^^
>in stock you need, or they have a knowledgable and/or friendly sales
                                                       ^^^^^^^^
>staff, or if for whatever other reason you would like to do business
>with them, which will in the aggrigate keep them in business and
>available to fill your future needs, but they charge more for an item
>than another store, you can usually purchase the item in the store of
>your choice, and pay the lowest legitimate price being offered
>elsewhere.


Sounds pretty lame to me.

Let me see if I understand now. Your "friends" charge you extra?
Just how much do you usually have to pay for a little
friendliness? Seems like you're being "serviced" by some
"friendly" sales people.


 
Robert Emmons                 Never hesitate to sacrifice clarity
CalcShop Inc.                 and maintainability to save precious
remmons@holonet.net           picoseconds during program execution. 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103553
From: jeff@mri.com (Jonathan Jefferies)
Subject: BMW 49'r Rally



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                      PRESS RELEASE
 TO::  ALL BMW RIDERS
 SUBJECT:: RALLY TIME IS HERE
 FROM:: BMW CLUB OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
 
 BMW 49'ER RALLY, MAY 27-31  (U.S. Memorial Day Weekend)
 San Francisco Bay Area - 20th annual BMW 49'er Rally, sponsored by
 The BMW Club of Northern Califronia,  will be held at the Quincy, 
 California Fairgrounds, from May 27-31, 1993
 
 	Included in the $42 pre-registration fee, $47 at gate, are 4 Star
 camping, field events and trophies, two dinners, rally pin, door prizes, 
 Poker Run, vendor displays, Fun Run, English Trials, and live music playing
 throughout the weekend.  Plus extras like hot showers, Tours, a Concourse
 D'Elegance and more.
 
 	This is first time in the 49'er Rally's 20-year history that the 
 event is being held in Quincy.  And according to Pat Gardner, Rally Chairman,
 "The 49'er Rally's continuing growth and the need for a larger and more
 complete facility led us to Quincy.  Plus we can get there on either of our
 two most favrite highways- Highway 70, which goes through the Feather River
 Canyon, or up from the South via the Northernmost part of the Gold Country's
 Highway 49."
 
 	Day passes will not be available and non-BMW rider must be a 
 pre-registered guest of a BMW rider.
 	
 	The Quincy Fairgrounds is located on California State Highway 70/89,
 two miles South of downtown Quincy.
 
 	For pre-registration forms and additional information, write Doug
 Hubbard, BMW Club of Northern California, 41236 Norman Court, Fremont, CA
 94539, or telephone <US> (510) 651-2195

 ADDITIONAL NOTES:: 
   This is a not for profit event and riders DO get their monies worth.
   Whether you've ever attended a rally before or not This is the one
   to make.  The only problem has been that there are so
   many activities that attendees have to choose one over another.

   Quincy is a beautiful campground, lots of grass and little dust.
   For folks who have been to previous 49'er rallies at Mariposa, 
   Quincy has lots of space, all of it flat so room is not a problem.
   There are buildings and such available if there is a change in the weather.
   Also the people of Quincy are going all out to welcome us. 
   Registration will begin on thursday.  Of course there are always early
   arrivals who will show up monday or tuesday.  The registration fee pays
   for camping Thursday through Monday (5 days).  There will be a tour Friday
   with the main events beginning Saturday.  Sunday Evening will be the
   awards ceremony.  

   For members of the various clubs, club awards will be based on 
   registration declaration of affilitation.  There will of course
   be the usual awards for oldest male and female rider < betting 70 +
   needed to win> and youngest rider ( they get cheater permits at 15>.
   and greatest distance, one up & two up and all the usual things.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 103893
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Re: Its still cold, but...

In article <1993Apr6.224037.28921@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>I tend to keep my bedroom window open during the winter and have woken
>up to find frost on my bedspread, but I still get cold below about
>30F.  Usually on the part that sticks out of the bottom of my helmet.
>Maybe it's time to get a NOJ quiet rider.

Cool - I conjure up this image of BD in Doonesbury...so Dean, how long 
have you been sleeping with your helmet on??


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
 us from the evil men do in the name of good"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104091
From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: Recommendation on Duc

I have a line on a Ducati 900GTS 1978 model with 17k on the clock.  Runs
very well, paint is the bronze/brown/orange faded out, leaks a bit of oil
and pops out of 1st with hard accel.  The shop will fix trans and oil 
leak.  They sold the bike to the 1 and only owner.  They want $3495, and
I am thinking more like $3K.  Any opinions out there?  Please email me.
Thanks.  It would be a nice stable mate to the Beemer.  Then I'll get
a jap bike and call myself Axis Motors!

-- 
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"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"     CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75/6)
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104158
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Safe driving prcatices...

In article <1993Apr9.133114.2605@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
>In article <rbpC54D51.26n@netcom.com> rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
>>cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>
>>
>>my solution is *never* to ride next to a car
>
>The only thing between you and "them" is space.
>Keep as much as possible.

Take this one step further ...

Never dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass
make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make
sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least
getting into his area of vision.

This also applies to merging into another lane after making a pass - do it
as POSITIVELY as possible ... and what I "try" to do is look in the rear view
and then over my shoulder.  And after I've done that ACCELERATE into the 
lane so that you have a speed cushion should you have missed seeing a 
potential BDI that's trying to do the same thing as you ... or worse (ie:
he may have been behind you, saw you made the pass successfully but YOU aren't
GOING FAST ENOUGH to suite him so he tries to go around you on the right).

Ride with four eyes...

Rich


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
 us from the evil men do in the name of good"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104159
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Re: April 1( was Re: FAQ - What is the DoD?)

In article <9901221@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM> jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney) writes:
>In rec.motorcycles, viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>
>> Last year, I believe it was, Jeff Deeney posted what I've since come to
>> recognize as the ultimate April Fools posting ever.  It wasn't particularly
>> nice of him, as several people were quite fooled and very worried about
>> him, but I can't fault the effectiveness.
>
>Based on numerous inputs (most of them unprintable), I deemed it time for a
>kinder, gentler, April 1.  Not that I didn't have something really sick and
>twisted ready to post :-)  Perhaps next year. 

Personally, I think Jeffy-Poo was still smarting more from the third degree
burns he suffered after April 1st last year rather than the supposed burns
that he suffered in "the joke".  Granted I was one of those people that were
taken in by it and I was certainly concerned...and then pissed at him for 
pulling such a thing (which I made known to him).

But then again, for an April Fool "joke" I would also go on record as saying
that it was the best orchestrated one I've ever seen and it certainly sucked
a LOT of people into believing it 8-( 8-| 8-\ 8-)...

"sick" - "twisted"??? Who in this group could ever be accused of such a thing?

I tip my twisted lid to thee Jeffy 8-).


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
 us from the evil men do in the name of good"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104282
From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Observation re: helmets

 
 Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock 
it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
 
 So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and 
repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.
 
 Then, while it was drying, I realized that I was out of smokes and that my 
cage is not currently running... So I "had to" take my bike down to the 
store. Not wanting to mess up my paint job, I said "Well, heck. I can just 
use my old helmet".... this is your standard el cheapie openface... 
  
 I didn't notice a big difference when I switched TO the shoei, but 
switching back was really bad... 
 
 1) Doesn't fit worth a damn, too wide in the sides, too short front to 
back...
 2) With a faceplate, it's still bloody windy... with the shoei, I normally 
ignore the face shield until I get up to about 30ish... with this one, 
taxiing to the end of the driveway was too smegging much wind. 
 
  
 
 The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for 
certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church 
meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just 
pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I 
maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely 
passenger? 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104283
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!

In article <34211@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
>
>The Banana one isn't, IMHO.  Ultra sticky labels printed with your
>favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of
>wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage.

So what's your local hospital's favorite curse?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104284
From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Subject: Flashing anyone?

Hello all,

On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals
flash).  Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of
tolls one must pay on route.  Just before arriving at a toll booth I
switch the hazards on.  I do thisto warn other motorists that I will
be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.
Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making
transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the
average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll.
I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and
usually go to another booth.

My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?

Any others tend to do the same?

Just curious

o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>
    Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
    1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
    DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104285
From: jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito)
Subject: Re: Stolen  AARGHHHH.....


In article <1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:

   Watch out.  Often when some scumbag steals the cover, that means
   that they were or are looking to steal the bike.  In my case, I
   had a faded cover stolen off a bmw R100RS that was stashed in an
   apartment carport and not visible from the street.  They evidently
   decided the beemer wasn't worth stealing, but did try the next night to
   steal a Honda Hurricane 600 parked in the next apartment building.
   A neighbor heard them wheeling it out and called the cops.


I know this is just setting myself up, but this is actually one of the
things that is really good about BMW bikes.  From all accounts I've
heard practically no one steals BMWs. Probably it is similar for Moto
Guzzis and other relative "exotics" since there isn't a large demand
for parts and the bike would be much easier to track down. It seems
that the most stolen bikes are Harleys and 600cc Jap sport bikes. 

--
Jonathan E. Polito 		    Internet: jpolito@encore.com
Encore Computer Corp, 901 Kildaire Farm Rd, Cary, NC  27511  USA
919-481-3730/voice  				919-481-3868/FAX

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104286
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs

In article <1993Apr14.212827.2277@galaxy.gov.bc.ca> bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu>, 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
>> Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride 
>> on the back of his bike.  My dog would love it if I could ever make it work.
>
>!!! Post of the month !!!
>Actually, I've seen riders carting around a pet dog in a sidecar....
>A great Dane on the back though; sounds a bit hairy to me.

Yeah, I'm sure that our lab would love a ride (he's the type that sticks his
head out car windows) but I didn't think that he would enjoy being bungee-
corded to the gas tank, and 65 lbs or squirming beast is a bit much for a
backpack (ok who's done it....).

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104287
From: ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg
Subject: V-max handling request

hello there
ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
comment on its handling .



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104288
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18

In article <1993Apr15.000851.17731@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>Don't you just hate when the speedo and tach on your
>bike start to cloud over from all that nasty sunshine?
>The detailing tip of the week is to use rubbing compound.
>
>Moisten a rag, apply some rubbing compound and work into the
>translucent, previously transparent, material. After a few 
>minutes of working on the plastic face, the dial, or plastic 
>face will be clear once more. Will not work for glass.

A couple of other tips.

1) Make a habit of parking the bike so that instruments are facing away
   from the sun.

2) Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish & Plastic Cleaner. (Cue canned
   product plug #2543):

roise@sumax.seattleu.edu (Linda Roise) writes:
>OK, for a novice question, is there anything that will clean a
>face-shield and also remove abrasions so that one can see through it
>better?  

What you want are Meguiar's Mirror Glaze Plastic Polish and Plastic
Cleaner. They are very mild abrasives meant to remove scratches from
plastic. For fine scratches just use the Polish, for bigger ones start
with the Cleaner and finish with the Polish. The stuff is $5-8 bucks per
bottle at most auto or motorcycle parts stores. Don't choke over the
price too much, since both bottles will probably last you 10 years. The
stuff works great on plastic watch "crystals" and compact discs too.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104289
From: wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c)
Subject: Hard Copy --- Hot Pursuit!!!!


Yo, did anybody see this run of HARD COPY?

I guy on a 600 Katana got pulled over by the Police (I guess for
speeding or something).  But just as the cop was about to step
out of the car, the dude punches it down an interstate in Georgia.
Ang then, the cop gives chase.

Now this was an interesting episode because it was all videotaped!!!
Everything from the dramatic takeoff and 135mph chase to the sidestreet
battle at about 100mph.  What happened at the end?  The guy (who is
being relentless chased down box the cage with the disco lights)
slows a couple of times to taunt the cop.   After blowing a few stop
signs and making car jump to the side, he goes up a dead end street.

The Kat, although not the latest machine, is still a high performance
machine and he slams on the brakes.  Of couse, we all know that cages,
especially the ones with the disco lights, can't stop as fast as our
high performance machines.  So what happens?...  The cage plows into the
Kat.

Luckily for this dude, he was wearing a helmet and was not hurt.  But
dude, how crazy can you get!?!  Yeah, we've all went out and played
cat and mouse with our friends but, with a cop!!???!!!  How crazy can
you get!?!?!  It took just one look at a ZX-7 who tried this crap
to convince me not to try any shit like that.  (Although the dude
collided with a car head on at 140 mph, the Kawasaki team colors
still looked good!!!  Just a few scratches, like no front end....
3 inch long engine and other "minor" scratches...)

If you guys are out there, please, slow it down.  I not being
an advocate for the cages (especially the ones that make that 
annoying ass noises...), but just think...  The next time you
punched it (whether you have an all mighty ZX-11 or a "I can
do it" 250 Ninja), just remember, a kid could step out at any   
time.

Peace & ride (kinda) safe.

Warren -- "Have Suzuki, Will travel..."
WCD82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

"What's the big deal about riding one of these. I'm only going...
95!?!?!"    - Annie (Robotech)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104290
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Wanted:  Advice on CB900 Custom purchase

In article <1993Apr14.204821.8497@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>In article <93Apr14.185235.31833@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>My mechanic once commented that the 'dual range' transmission was
>>pure junk. One mans opinion...
>>

	I had a friend in Pittsburgh who had a CB1000C with the dual-range
tranny on it.  He usually only used the "economy" range to get an overdrive
sixth gear out of it.  He had 59000 miles on it when it was stolen.  It was
recovered shortly after that, repaired, and, for all I know, it's still going
strong.

	The CB1000C was a shaft-driven overbore version of the CB900 and was
made for exactly one year (yep, head and base gaskets are VERY expensive).
Helluva bike.

A data point,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104291
From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: (tangentially) Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article <1993Apr15.035406.29988@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:

impertinent stuff deleted
>
>Am I showing my Canadian University-ness here, of does anyone else know
>what I'm talking about?
>
>I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
>     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
>                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

There you go again, you edu-breath poser! "University-ness" indeed!
Leave that stuff to us professionals.

Henry Prange  biker/professional edu-breath
Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405
DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215
ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2
The unifying trait of our species is the relentless pursuit of folly.
Hypocrisy is the only national religion of this country.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104292
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!

In article <speedy.147@engr.latech.edu>, speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy
Mercer) writes:
|> I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once.  I was going to work on a
|> Yamaha
|> 750 Twin (A.K.A. "the vibrating tank") when I heard a wierd noise off
|> to my 
|> left.  I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot
|> and 
|> jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the
|> left 
|> side.  When I went to put my foot back on the peg, I found that it
|> was not 
|> there!  I pulled into the nearest parking lot and discovered that I
|> had been 
|> hit by a wire-wheel type hubcap from a large cage!  This hubcap
|> weighed 
|> about 4-5 pounds!  The impact had bent the left peg flat against the
|> frame 
|> and tweeked the shifter in the process.  Had I not heard the
|> approaching 
|> cap, I feel certian that I would be sans a portion of my left foot.
|> 
|> Anyone else had this sort of experience?
|> 

  Not with a hub cap but one of those "Lumber yard delivery
trucks" made life interesting when he hit a 'dip' in the road
and several sheets of sheetrock and a dozen 5 gallon cans of
spackle came off at 70 mph. It got real interesting for about
20 seconds or so. Had to use a wood mallet to get all the dried
spackle off Me, the Helmet and the bike when I got home. Thanks 
to the bob tail Kenworth between me and the lumber truck I had
a "Path" to drive through he made with his tires (and threw up
the corresponding monsoon from those tires as he ran over
what ever cans of spackle didn't burst in impact). A car in
front of me in the right lane hit her brakes, did a 360 and
nailed a bridge abutment half way through the second 360.

The messiest time was in San Diego in 69' was on my way
back to the apartment in ocean beach on my Sportster and
had just picked up a shake, burger n fries from jack in
the box and stuffed em in my foul weather jacket when the
milk shake opened up on Nimitz blvd at 50 mph, nothing
like the smell of vanilla milk shake cooking on the
engine as it runs down your groin and legs and 15 people
waiting in back of you to make the same left turn you are.
-- 
##########################################################
There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES 
                 and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH	DoD #956   #2 Next raise
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104293
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!


In a previous article, speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) says:

>I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once.  I was going to work on a Yamaha
>750 Twin (A.K.A. "the vibrating tank") when I heard a wierd noise off to my 
>left.  I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot and 
>jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the left 
>side.  When I went to put my foot back on the peg, I found that it was not 
>there!  I pulled into the nearest parking lot and discovered that I had been 
>hit by a wire-wheel type hubcap from a large cage!  This hubcap weighed 
>about 4-5 pounds!  The impact had bent the left peg flat against the frame 
>and tweeked the shifter in the process.  Had I not heard the approaching 
>cap, I feel certian that I would be sans a portion of my left foot.
>
Hmmmm.....I wondered where that hubcap went.

-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104294
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request


In a previous article, ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg () says:

>hello there
>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .

You're kidding, right?  This is Flame bait in the extreme.  V-max handling?
Har har har har....
-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104295
From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Subject: Contact person for boots

Would anyone out there in DoDland be able to help me out in giving me
a contact to purchase a pair of military air-borne combat boots (9 1/2
D in size).  These boots (so I have read here on rec.moto) are calf
height boots that use only velcro for enclosure.  I have phoned around
and nobody seems to carry such an item.  I admit I have not gone into
the deepest bowels of NYC yet for the search but I have made some
calls to several of the bigger army/navy type stores with no luck.

Anyone out there know of a place that does carry such an item as well
as does mail order?  Any help would be appreciated.

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    Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
    1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
    DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)
<o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o  <o&o

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104296
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Hard Copy --- Hot Pursuit!!!!


In a previous article, wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) says:

>
>Yo, did anybody see this run of HARD COPY?

No, I don't watch that Bu**Sh*t.

>The Kat, although not the latest machine, is still a high performance
>machine and he slams on the brakes.  Of couse, we all know that cages,
>especially the ones with the disco lights, can't stop as fast as our
>high performance machines.  So what happens?...  The cage plows into the
>Kat.

So, does this mean the cop is at fault for rear-ending the bike?  You know,
following too closely and reckless driving?

-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104297
From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
>hello there
>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .

I've ridden one twice. It was designed to be a monster in a straight line,
which it is. It has nothing on an FZR400 in the corners. In fact, it just
didn't handle that well at all in curves. But hey, that's not what it
was designed to do.
My two cents,
Alan


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104298
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs..

Mark Kromer, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 00:42:46 GMT wibbled:
: In an article rtaraz@bigwpi (Ramin Taraz) wrote:

: >Does the "amount of exhaust allowed to leave the engine through the
: >exhaust pipe" make that much of a difference? the amount of air/fuel
: >mixture that a cylender sucks in (tries to suck in) depends on the
: >speed of the piston when it goes down. 

: ...and the pressure in the cylinder at the end of the exhaust stroke.

: With a poor exhaust system, this pressure may be above atmospheric.
: With a pipe that scavenges well this may be substantially below
: atmospheric.  This effect will vary with rpm depending on the tune of
: the pipe; some pipes combined with large valve overlap can actually
: reverse the intake flow and blow mixture out of the carb when outside
: the pipes effective rev range.

: >Now, my question is which one provides more resistence as far as the
: >engine is conserned:
: >) resistance that the exhaust provides 
: >) or the resistance that results from the bike trying to push itself and
: >  the rider

: Two completely different things.  The state of the pipe determines how
: much power the motor can make.  The load of the bike determines how
: much power the motor needs to make.

: --
: - )V(ark)<  FZR400 Pilot / ZX900 Payload / RD400 Mechanic  
:                    You're welcome.

Well I, for one, am so very glad that I have fuel injection!  All those 
needles and orifices and venturi and pressures... It's worse than school human
biology reproduction lessons (sex).  Always made me feel a bit queasy.
--

Nick (the Simple Minded Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Tube Rider

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
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  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104299
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

In article <tcora-140493155620@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com>,
>fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) wrote:
>> 
>> Lets get this "No Fault" stuff straight, I lived in NJ
>> when NF started, my rates went up, ALOT. Moved to PA
>> and my rates went down ALOT, the NF came to PA and it
>> was a different story. If you are sitting in a parking
>> lot having lunch or whatever and someone wacks you guess
>> whose insurance pays for it ? give up ?  YOURS.
>
>BZZZT! If it is the other driver's fault, your insurance co pays you, less
>deductible, then recoups the total cost from the other guy/gal's company
>(there's a fancy word for it, which escapes me right now), and pays you the
>deductible. Or: you can go to the other guy/gal's company right off - just
>takes longer to get your cash (as opposed to State Farm, who cut me a check
>today, on the spot, for the damage to my wife's cage).

	The word is "subrogation."  Seems to me, if you're willing to wait
for the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the
deductible.  However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may
have to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large-
fanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers.

	Sad, but true.  Call it job security for lawyers.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104300
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)
Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs

In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
>Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride 
>on the back of his bike.  My dog would love it if I could ever make it work.
>	Thanks
>			84wendel@cua.edu
>

On the back might be tricky, but here in Boulder, there is a guy 
that can always be seen with his Golden Retriever in the sidecar.
Of course, the dog is always wearing WWII style goggles (no joke)


________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn                     DoD#6425                      AMA#679817
                  '88CBR1000              '89CBR600
                       coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
________________________________________________________________________



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104301
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted

frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:

>Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote:
>& 
>& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which
>& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less
>& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction
>& in certain markets which makes it commercially viable. It's not sold
>& in the US where it is unneeded and unwanted.
>& 
>& As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will 
>& still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are
>& very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the 
>& annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect.

>The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which
>means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less

Nope, it's 24 lbs. lightrer than the 900.

>power.  And less brakes.

A single disk that is quite impressive. WIth two fingers on the lever,
much to Beth's horror I lifted the rear wheel about 8" in a fine Randy
Mamola impression. ;{>

>As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will 
>still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are

I have a feeling that it's going to be fast enough that Beth will give
a few liter bike riders fits in the future.

>very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the 

The steering locks are adjustable.

>annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect.

Beth sees fine out of them... I see 2/3 of them filled with black
leather.

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'79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat             AMA #524245
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104302
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: DOT Tire date codes

I just mailed this:

I noticed a 2-3in long cut in the tread of the rear tire on my VFR.
The cut is only about as deep as the tread block, and looks like it
only scratched the rubber at the base, but the weird thing is, it's
way over on the edge where I haven't scuffed the tire in yet.
My questions are:
1. How dangerous is this, should I replace the tire right away?
and
2. If I should, since the cut is on the unscuffed portion and the
tire only has about 330 mi on it, what do you think my chances of
getting it replaced under warranty are?

To the nedod mailing list, and Jack Tavares suggested I check out
how old the tire is as one tactic for getting it replaced.  Does
anyone have the file on how to read the date codes handy?

Thanks,
Dean

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104303
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Fat Boy versus ZX-11 (new math)

In article <1pimfd$cre@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <C4v3s7.MCz@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>>In <1993Apr1.130432.11009@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
>>>Manual Velcro, on the 31 Mar 93 09:19:29 +0200 wibbled:
>>>: But 14 is greater than 11, or 180 is greater than 120, or ...
>>>No!  10 is the best of all.
>>No No No!
>>  It should be obvious that 8 is the best number by far. Last year 10
>>was hot but with the improvements to 8 this year there can be no
>>question.
>
>Hell, my Dad used to have an old 5 that would beat out today's 8 without 
>breaking a sweat.
>
>(Well, in the twisties, anyway.)
>
>This year's 8 is just too cumbersome for practical use in anything other 
>than repeating decimals.
>
Remember the good old days, when Hexadecimals, and even Binaries
were still legal? Sure, they smoked a little blue stuff out the
pipes, but I had a hex 7 that could slaughter any decimal 10 on
the road. Sigh, such nostalgia!

Regards, Charles
DoD0,001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104304
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com> maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:

> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours after
>you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink tonight, I
>don't ride until tomorrow"?

Interesting discussion.

I limit myself to *one* 'standard serving' of alcohol if I'm
going to ride. And mostly, unless the alcohol is something
special (fine ale, good wine, or someone else's vsop), I usually
just don't drink *any*.

But then alcohol just isn't really important to me, mainly
for financial reasons...

At least one of the magazines claims to follow the
aviation guideline of "no alcohol whatsoever" within
24hrs of riding a 'company' bike.

Don't remember which mag though, it was a few years ago.

Regards, Charles (hicc.)
DoD:0.001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104305
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last

: un021432@wvnvms.wvnet.edu writes:

: >DUCATI3.UUE
: >QUUNCD Ver. 1.4, by Theodore A. Kaldis.
: >BEGIN--cut here--CUT HERE--Part 3
: >MG@NH)C1M+AV4)I;^**3NYR7,*(.H&"3V'!X12(&E+AFKIN0@APYT;C[#LI2T

This GIF was GREAT!!  I have it as the backdrop on my Apollo thingy and many
people stop by and admire it.  Of course I tell them that I did it myself....

It's far too much trouble to contact archive sites to get stuff like this, so
if anybody else has any good GIFs, please, please don't hesitate to post them.

Is the bra thing still going?
--

Nick (the Idiot Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   No Bras

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
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  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104306
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Camping question?

Sanjay Sinha, on the 12 Apr 93 00:23:19 GMT wibbled:

: Thanks to everyone who posted in my previous quest for camping info..

: Another question. 
: Well, not strictly r.m. stuff

: I am looking for a thermos/flask to keep coffee hot. I mean real
: hot! Of course it must be the unbreakable type. So far, what ever
: metal type I have wasted money on has not matched the vacuum/glass 
: type.

: Any info appreciated.

: Sanjay


Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up
water from a 12V source.  It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my
RD350B.  It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs 
above 7000.  Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement.

It made for interesting cups of coffee, anyhow.  We would plot routes that
contained straights of over three miles so that we had sufficient time to
get the water to boiling point.  This is sometimes difficult in England.

Good luck on your quest.
--

Nick (the Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104307
From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Why are there no turbocharged motorbikes in North America?


: In article <7APR93.20040687@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:

: >I just got to thinking:  why don't manufacturers still make bikes with 
turbos?
: > etc ....

Because they add a lot of expense and complexity and make for a less reliable 
and less controllable bike. 

As an extreme example the CX500 Turbo cost as much as a Mike Hailwood Replica 
Ducati.

--
David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
"This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104308
From: gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!

james.bessette (jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:
>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>>ps.  I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and
>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase.
>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.

Cam chain.

  -Mike

Mike Mitten - gnome@pd.org - ...!emory!pd.org!gnome - AMA#675197 - DoD#522
Irony is the spice of life.     '90 Bianchi Backstreet  '82 Suzuki GS850GL
"The revolution will not be televised."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104309
From: L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
Subject: Re: Boom! Hubcap attack!

From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)

I was attacked by a rabid hubcap once.  I was going to work on a Yamaha
750 Twin (A.K.A. "the vibrating tank") when I heard a wierd noise off to my
left.  I caught a glimpse of something silver headed for my left foot and
jerked it up about a nanosecond before my bike was hit HARD in the left...

(Rest deleted)

Anyone else had this sort of experience?

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   Actually, hubcap attacks are fairly common, most cagers being too
   incompetant to reinstall them properly after changing tires, or
   to check them after collisions.  Luckily, few are as heavy as the
   one that got you.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104310
From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson)
Subject: Re: GPz900 runs like a bitch.

I tried mailing you but your domain seems not to exist, can't even get 
sinet.slb.com to admit to knowing about geco, anyway here we go:

In article <1q7kq1INNjl9@griffin.orpington.sgp.slb.com> you wrote:

: Subject:GPz900 runs like a bitch.
:    Anyone have a cure for sub zero running probs on a GPz 900.
: Anything below 3000 revs and the bike wants to cut out all the time,
: the recommended cure in the bike mags seems to be to switch off the engine
: for a minute to thaw the ice,but this is obviously not mutch of a cure.
: mine has had the kawasaki heated carb mod but the problem persists,
: i've covered the rad which makes the bike run warmer and moves the problem
: down the temp scale a degree or two.
:    Has anyone tried a dynojet kit on the 900 or (getting desperate) different
: carbs or the fuel injection off the GPz 1100.
:

Have you talked to Kawasaki, maybe they did another version of the upgrade
kit.  Got to be worth a phone call.  Did you do the carb mod or did you buy it
secondhand from someone who said that it had been done.

Is that Orpington in Kent?  If so have you heard of the Ogri mailing list
which I run?  Its an email list for bikers in the UK and interested parties,
available live or as a daily digest.  Let me know if you want to subscribe.

Good luck, Dave

--
David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
"This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104311
From: keith@hydra.unm.edu ()
Subject: Where can I AFFORD a Goldwing mirror?

Searched without luck for a FAQ here.  I need a left 85 Aspencade
mirror and Honda wants $75 for it.  Now if this were another piece
of chrome to replace the black plastic that wings come so liberally
supplied with I might be able to see that silly price, but a mirror
is a piece of SAFETY EQUIPMENT. The fact that Honda clearly places
concern for their profits ahead of concern for my safety is enough
to convince me that this (my third) wing will likely be my last.
In the mean time, anyboby have a non-ripoff source for a mirror?
keith smith  keith@hydra.unm.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104312
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Latest SoCal Rides -- 4/14

		Southern California RideList -- 4/14/93

  Please send me any updates to this ride list. Remember, only street
rides that are open to all bikers are posted.  Please inc. phone # for
further info.  Also, send me your e-mail address if you want mailed
copies of this list.
  I suggest calling first to make sure that info is current.  If you
find out further info, please let me know.  I strive for accuracy but
cannot be responsible for errors.
  e-mail address: paulb@harley.tti.com 	
---------
c&d = coffee & donuts; Mx = Live Music; f&d = food & drinks available;
* = changes since last posting; ** Address at end of posting
-------
Apr 15-18	11th Annual Laughlin (NV) River Run.  Rides to the run from
		points all over SoCal.  Concerts, poker runs, parties,
		etc., etc. This is sponsored by the Southern Calif. Harley
		Dealer Assoc., but all bikes are welcome.  Reservations
		are only $25 at any SoCal Harley Dealer.  River Run 24 Hr
		Hotline: 800/266-6441.  Discount Room reservations or
		concert tix: 909/883-0317 (Tues-Sat, 9A-noon & 1-4P).
Apr 17		2nd Annual Racing Memorabilia Show & Sale. art, prints,
		photos, lithos, models, books. 310/539-8108.
Apr 17-18	SCMA Route 66 Tour. 714/680-4667.
Apr 18		SCMA/TRAC A. Gypsy Tour. 7A in Santa Monica. John
		Lane @ 818/359-0414.
Apr 18		Tax Time Run for the money (ABATE #19). 200 pins, prizes,
		games, f&d, raffles. $7 (free if you join). s/in 8-10A
		@ V-Twin City, 565 Brea Canyon Rd, Walnut. 
		Manny @ 909/594-0086.
*Apr 18 	3rd Annual GWTA Loma Linda Children's Hospital Benefit Run.
		free c&d @ start. hot dogs, etc. @ finish. s/in 8-11A
		@ Skip Fordyce motors, 7840 Indiana Ave., Riverside.
		909/679-1097.
Apr 23-25	MMA State Overnighter. Frazier Park. 805-522-6557 or 
		805/392-0540.
Apr 23-25	32nd Yuma Prison Run. $20 mailin/$25 gate. camping.
		310/944-2180 or 805/253-3043.
Apr 23-25	Paso Robles Clean & Sober Run @ Paso Robles Fairgrounds.
		805/461-1211.
Apr 25		Shamrock's 3rd Annual Scenic Byways Tour. 2 starts,
		5 routes. s/in 6:30-8:30A @ Simi Valley Honda, 
		4346 L.A. Ave. or Cycles Parts, 473 W. Baseline,
		San Bernadino. Picnic & bbq @ Lake hughes. $14.  805/584-3983.
Apr 25		MRA Chap "E" Poker Run. 8A @ American Legion, 600 South
		"D" St., Peris.  Steve Hill @ 714/244-3064.
May 1		AMA Grand Nat'l Dirt Track Series race. Pomona Fairplex,
		714/623-3111 or 614/891-2425.
May 1		KPFK's (90.7 FM) Centerstand Radio Show and The Car Show
		will broadcast live from Autobooks, Etc., 3524 W. Magnolia
		Av., Burbank.  Carshow starts @ noonb, Centerstand 
		@ 1:30PM.  818/845-0707.
May 1		ABATE #8 Poker Run. East end of Bucklin Park, Imperial Valley.
		s/in 8-10A. $8 includes food & entertainment. Barbara 
		@ 619/352-7006.
May 1-2 	PMC 47th Annual Greenhorn Tour. 818/963-5480 or 909/593-9988.
May 1-2		Song Dog Ranch Spring Rally. Overnight camping at this
		famousmotorcycle campground.  Mx., All you can eat or
		drink bbq dinner.  sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve by
		April 26. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai).
		805/766-2454.  (Keep trying this number).
May 2		BSA Owner's Club Spring Ride. Castaic Landing. 805/273-7005.
May 2		Album Release Celebration ("Helmet Laws Suck" by Billy Gordon & 
		The Blue Rockers) @ La Vida Hot Springs (91 to 57N to 
		Lambert east 5 miles on left). Special Guests, Mx, raffle.
		714/996-0720.
May 2		1st Annual Spring Round-Up Rodeo. (ABATE #27). Many Bike
		Games. f&d, pins, raffle. s/in starts 9A. Games @ noon.
		$10 ea/$18 couple (free if you join). Robbies Restaurant,
		26020 Hwy 74 (btwn Perris & Lake Elsinore). George or
		Susan @ 909/674-0554; Allen or Melanie @ 909/780-3743.
May 14		MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
		714/364-0515.
May 14		LA Cnty MC Swap Meet. $8. 818/361-0205.
May 14		Christian M/C Assn. SoCal Rally. First Assembly of God
		Church, 15260 Nisqually Rd, Victorville. Bob Quintard
		@ 909/797-9801.
May 16		Mother's with the Most. 805/763-4614.
May 16		4th Annual MC Awareness Day. (ABATE #22). 9:30-5p @
		American Legion Hall, 1340 Gardena Bl (crnr Normandie),
		Gardena. Mx, Vendors, raffles, games, etc. $5 (<12 free);
		($8 w/pin). f&d.  Doc or Carol @ 310/371-2348 or
		Dieter @ 310/531-8942.
May 16		Blue Knights 5th Annual Benefit Ride. Starts @ Cycle Parts
		West, San Diego. Harold Crosby @ 619/753-7827.
May 19 		Run For The Wall. LA to DC. Lv (8A? or) 9A from TA Truck 
		Stop where I10 & I15 meet in Ontario. Camping & Motels
		available at each night's stop. Rides ends up at the
		Vietnam Veterans Memorial Wall in Washington, DC.  
		100,000 bikes are expected to meet there.  Call
		Rod Coffey @ 310/425-3145.  Alt Info: send $1 p/h to
		John Anderson, 5920 Deer Creek Way, Paso Robles,
		CA  93446 or call him @ 805/237-0790. 
May 23		Long Beach MC Parts Exchange, LB Veterans Memorial Stadium.
		310/323-9611.
May 28-31	US MC Jamboree. Tulare Cnty Fairgnds, Tulare. ride in 
		mc show, benefit poker run (sun), Mx, raffles, games.
		starts noon on Friday. $23; $11 (15 & under); free for 
		6 & under. 918/542-5939; 502/622-4810; 805/822-8939;
		310/492-9688; 909/825-3798; 602/425-6609.
May 29-31	Blazing Saddles Tour (SCMA). 818/789-9932.
May 30		Ariel Owners Club Annual Event. 3225 Greenfield Ave., LA.
		Chuck Walton, 818/345-6532.
Jun 6		Fun in the Sun Ride (MMA #2). Bakersfield. 805/392-0546.
Jun 12-13	Class Act Tour
Jun 12-13	Silver Eagles Run. Palomar, San Diego. 619/569-7370.
Jun 20		Ventura Swap & Show by The Shop. @ Ventura Fairgnds.
		805/656-6777.
Jun 20		3rd Annual Summer Solstice Poker Run & Pig Feed. (ABATE #9).
		$15 ea/$25 couple (free if you join). Pig Roast, games,
		raffles, Mx, swimming, 300 pins. s/in 8-10A @ Swallows Inn,
		I5 & Ortega Hwy, San Juan Capistrano. Earl @ 714/496-3401;
		Rick @ 714/548-3434.
Jun 25-27	MMA's Bike Fest '93 @ Mariposa Fairgrounds (Hwy 99
		to Hwy 140E; go 38 miles). Mx, Camping Available; 
		trade show, f7d, games. $25 advance/$35 gate. info 
		& tix: 800/247-6246.
Jun 27		Hope House Benefit Run (SCMA). 805/581-3235.
Jul 4		Bike Show @ Accessories Unltd**
Jul 4		ABATE #6 Christmas in July. 619/569-7370.
Jul 11		Beach Ride 93 to benefit the Exceptional Children's
		Foundation.
Jul 11		ABATE #8 Old Timers Poker Run. 714/998-5740.
Jul 16-19	4th Annual Unicoastal Ride and Joust.  Starts all over the
		West Coast and goes to Pine Glen Campground (near Mammoth
		Lakes) for a 2 or 3 day weekend of fun with the usenet
		personalities your fond of flaming.  To get on the mail
		list, contact joust-request@harley.tti.com .
Jul 18		Iron Horse Poker Run. 805/734-3401.
Jul 21		2nd Annual National Ride to Work Day.
Jul 23-25	Quaff M/C Mt. Palomar 17th Annual Overnighter @ La Jolla
		Campgrounds. 714/352-0443.
Jul 25		5th Annual Summer Food Run. ABATE #19. 818/917-2243.
Jul 30		MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
		714/364-0515.
Aug 1		Accessories Unltd** Ride
Aug 7		Hot August Nights Poker Run. 805/392-0546.
Aug 14-15	650 Tour (SCMA area B). 805/481-3482.
Aug 21-22	Song Dog Ranch Summer Rally. Overnight camping at this
		famous motorcycle campground.  Classical Mx., All you can 
		eat or drink bbq dinner.  sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve by
		Aug 16. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai).
		805/766-2454.  (Keep trying this number).
Aug 22		Vets Benefit Run (TRAC A). 714/680-4667.
Aug 22		MMA Chicken Roast. Camarillo Park. 805/522-6557.
Sep 3-6		18th Annual 3 Flags Classic. Juarez, Mexico to
		Southern Alberta, Canada. $110/person. received by
		1/23/93. Frank Weed @ 714/879-9432. (or try 714/962-3150)
Sep 3-6		ABATE's Golden State Rendezvous. 10A Fri-noon Mon @
		Mid State Fairgrounds, Paso Robles.
Sep 12		Iron Horse Rocket Run. 805/734-3401.
Sep 19		Black Gold Poker Run (Taft MC). 805/765-5085.
Sep 24-26	Redwood Run #2.
Sep 25-27	Bonanza Tour (Shamrocks).  805/272-9865.
Oct 1		MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
		714/364-0515.
Oct 9-10	Song Dog Ranch Fall Rally. Overnight camping at this
		famous motorcycle campground.  Mx., All you can 
		eat or drink bbq dinner.  sunday bkfst. $40/person. reserve 
		by Oct 4. Song Dog Ranch, Rt 33, New Cuyama (N of Ojai).
		805/766-2454.  (Keep trying this number).
Oct 16-17	SCMA Grand Tour 805/269-1399.
Oct 22-24	Easyriders Motorcycle Rodeo. Antelope Valley Fairgrounds
		(Hwy. 14 N. to Ave, I exit, right), Lancaster.
Oct 23-24	22nd Annual Griffith Park Sidecar Rally. Mineral Springs 
		area of the Park. Doug Bingham @ 818/780-5542.
Oct 24		MRA Chap "E" Ride
Nov 7		Love Ride 10 to benefit the Muscular Dystrophy Assoc.
		Sponsored by Glendale H-D, 3717 San Fernando Rd,
		Glendale.  818/246-5618.
Nov 14		Toy-Key Run (SCMA Area B). 805/481-3482.
Nov 14		MC Awareness Day (ABATE 1)
Nov 21		Accessories Unlimited** Posse Ride.
Dec 3		MC Swap Meet @ Orange County Fairgnds, Costa Mesa. $6.
		714/364-0515.
Dec 12		Hathaway Children's Center Toy Run
-------------------- ONGOING EVENTS & NOTICES ----------------------------
HD Swap Meet & Show. Santa Fe Springs Drive-in, 13963 Alondra Blvd. 
	5:30-10:30P, 3rd Thurs ea mo. $5 fee. 310/944-4268.
	note that in April, it was moved to 4/8.
Free seminars every Saturday @ Luftmeister, Inc., Long Beach.  310/539-6420.
Tune in Centerstand, a radio program for motorcyclists every Saturday from
	1:30-2PM on KPFK, 90.7 FM
Parents w/out Partners MC Club meets 2nd Sat @ 8A at Cocos, Brea Rd & Colina
	Road in Diamondbar.  909/595-3785
A new mc club for women only is forming: Diamonds and Pearls.  818/706-3164
MARC (Motorcycling Amateur Radio Club) meets 8A, 2nd Sat @ Denny's, 2314
	E 17th St, Santa Ana. Net @ 8P Weds on 146.985- . Info: Ray or Bonnie
	@ 714/551-1036.
------------------- ** ADDRESSES -----------------------------------------
Follows Camp -- From 210 or 10 Fwy, go North on Azusa Ave (Hwy 39) To East
	Fork Rd.  Go 2.5 miles East to camp (hint: look for bridge).
Accessories Unlimited -- 24508 Lyons Ave (at I5), Newhall. 805/255-6522.
Cycle Parts West -- 13682 Beach Blvd, Westminister.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104313
From: prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens)
Subject: BMWMOA Controversy  

In article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
>>...good ol boys that have been there too long. 
>
> [...] while I agree with you that the current
>board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash 
>for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...? 

Yo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think?

If there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of
us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your
esteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you
got to the above contretemps?

Points will be deducted for shouting or bulging veins in the temple area.

-Pete Ahrens

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104314
From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!

In article <lsp0mgINNud@cash.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
>However, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider
>the VW a bike.
However, this has nothing to do with motorcycling, unless you consider
the Amazona a bike.

Keith Hanlan  KeithH@bnr.ca  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104315
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: BMW battery

Keith Hanlan, on the Wed, 14 Apr 1993 19:20:14 GMT wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
: >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive,
: >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns
: >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer.                 

: What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know
: numerous people that are still using the original battery in there
: 8-10 year old beemers.


Kay, my '86 K100RS still has her original battery in.  She's OK
--

Nick (the Sufficiently Well Charged Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104316
From: jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls)
Subject: Re: Why are there no turbocharged motorbikes in North America?

In article <C5J9n2.Hy0@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
>
>As an extreme example the CX500 Turbo cost as much as a Mike Hailwood Replica 
>Ducati.


  So.  If I can scrounge up a good looking CX500 Turbo, will someone
  trade me an MHR Duc for it?



===============================================================================
|Jeff Earls  jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530  KotTG  KotSPT   WMTC  AMA |
|'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon        |   Squid Factor: 16.99                |
|'93 KLR650 - Thumpy                   | "Hit the button Chewie!"... Han Solo |

    "There ain't nothin' like a 115 mph sweeper in the Idaho rockies." - me


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104317
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?

In article <5227@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
>
>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,
>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT?  That way, next time some guy comes up
>to me in some parking lot and sez "hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox
>frame on there?" I can say something besides "duh, er, huh?"

   Deltabox (tm) is a registered trademark of Yamaha, used to describe
their aluminum perimeter frame design, used on the FZR400 and FZR1000.
In cross-section, it has a five-sided appearance, so it probably really
should be called a "Pentabox".

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104318
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Security

I saw his bike parked in front of a bar a few weeks later without the
dog, and I wandered in to find out what had happened.

He said, "Somebody stole m' damn dog!".  They left the Harley behind.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104319
From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Tickets - advice is worth what you paid

I can't think of another subject that generates as much contradictory
advice as traffic laws and their enforcement.  Everybody's got an
opinion and is dead certain they are right.  Yet acurate information is
extremely difficult to come by.  The DMV doesn't know.  Cops don't
know.  Your traffic school instructor doesn't know.  The vehicle code
only tells part of the story.  Judges choose to interpret the laws in a
wide variety of ways.  And the public at large?  I seldom hear any
advice that doesn't disagree with something I've experienced.

If you don't believe me I suggest you get a copy of the vehicle code,
study it, and then sit in on a day or two of court and see what really
happens.  Read "Fight Your Ticket" too, but don't miss the little
section at the end where it says your chances are lousy and you're
basically screwed.

As you may have guessed, I'm pretty down on the system here in
California.  I've carefully prepared for court, bringing witnesses and
revealing serious holes in the officer's story, only to be slapped with
the maximum allowable fine (plus assessments of over 100%) - the
message clear that the judge does not appreciate John Q Public trying
his own cases.

So here's my advice when you find yourself with a ticket:  Take traffic
school if you can.  If it's a serious matter get a lawyer.  A lawyer
can present the exact same case as you, the difference is the
sentence.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104320
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++

In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
|> 
|> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about
|> it!
|> 
|> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net.  That's 825 miles
|> according to my odometer!
|> 

mark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in
massachusetts (or was it connecticut?).

axel


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104321
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> 
> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for 
>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church 
>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just 
>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I 
>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely 
>passenger? 

If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
small one).

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104322
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: DOT Tire date codes

In rec.motorcycles, cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>To the nedod mailing list, and Jack Tavares suggested I check out
>how old the tire is as one tactic for getting it replaced.  Does
>anyone have the file on how to read the date codes handy?

It's quite simple; the code is the week and year of manufacture.

	<================================================> 
       /        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
      /    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
     /  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
    <========================================================>

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104323
From: cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Cervi)
Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++

In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>
>> Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about
>it!

I bought my Moto Guzzi from a Univ of Va grad student in Charlottesville
last spring.

	     Mark Cervi, cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147
		 DoD #0603  MGNOC #12998  '87 Moto Guzzi SP-II
      "What kinda bikes that?" A Moto Guzzi. "What's that?" Its Italian.
-- 

	Mark Cervi, CARDEROCKDIV, NSWC Code 852, Annapolis, MD  21402
		   cervi@oasys.dt.navy.mil, (w) 410-267-2147

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104324
From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning)
Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts

In article <1993Apr13.163450.1@skcla.monsanto.com>  
mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:

> Michael (Manning)...Must be that blockhead of yours....the gargoyles
> are the ONLY thing that work for me! ;*}
> 
> 
> Michael (Menard)
> 
> P.S. When you showin' up at Highland House? We'll compare sunglasses...

Let's see how the weather is Saturday or Sunday. It sucks
today. What time is good?
You're welcome to give any of the ones I have a try.  As
for the gargoyles, if you want mine you can have 'em.  I
think the bridge of my nose holds them too far from my face.
Same deal for the two of my friends who tried them. For
people who use them with a full face helmet, all bets are
off. Sorry if they fit you well and took my complaint
personally. Yes the Oakleys are much more desirable squid
attire. Also the gargoyles aren't that ugly, even in my
opinion, or I wouldn't have tried them.

--
Michael Manning
mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)

`92 FLSTF FatBoy
`92 Ducati 900SS


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104325
From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning)
Subject: Re: Bikes, Contacts Lenses & Radial Keratotomy

In article <C5FI2H.Ew8@rice.edu>  (jcn@rice.edu) writes:
> > I was going to try radial keratotomy, but they want over $2,000 per
> > eye! 
> > That's a lot of contact lenses and sunglasses!
> > 
> 
> And a lot of money if they make one tiny mistake ;-O
> 
> Jeff Nichols

Also if they don't get it exactly right or your eyes change
again, contacts to correct for it are out of the question.
This is due to the strange conical shape your cornea takes
after the surgery.

--
Michael Manning
mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)

`92 FLSTF FatBoy
`92 Ducati 900SS


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104326
From: markb@wc.novell.com (M. Burnham)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted

In article <1qhm02$mbs@news.ysu.edu> Albion H. Bowers, ak954@yfn.ysu.edu
writes:
>Oh yeah, 12.10 at 108 mph in the quarter is such a slug.  Come on, when was
>the last time you used your 750s max power peak?  I think maybe you should
>ride one first, before passing judgement, there is a lot more than just
>maximum acceleration. 

I really didn't mean to imply that my Ninja was any better than a Duc.  
I have to talked to a few Duc owners (750SS owners in particular) who
say that the power is something less than overwhelming.  That said,
I would love to have a 900SS.  I guess I should have been a bit more
specific.  If you have something that weighs that same as the 750, go 
for the extra cubes.  

I think that fact that I own a GTV-6 shows that I don't care about maximum
power (it's no slug though) to the exclusion of everything else.  The note 
and the handling are more important to me.  I just bought a Ninja because I 
couldn't afford a Duc.

Didn't mean to ruffle any feathers, I'll probably be getting a 900SS next
year...

- Mark

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966  DoD#0747 
Alfa Romeo GTV-6                             '90 Ninja 750
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104327
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs..

In article <jburney.734756216@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov> jburney@hydra.nodc.noaa.gov (Jeff Burney) writes:
>
>If we are only talking about 4-stroke (I think I can understand exhaust
>pulse affect in a 2-stroke), the intake valve is closed on the
>exhaust stroke and the gas is pushed out by the cyclinder.  I guess
>there is some gas compression that may affect the amount pushed out
>but the limiting factor seems to be the header pipe and not the 
>canister.  Meaning: would gases "so far" down the line (the canister)
>really have an effect on the exhaust stroke?  Do the gases really 
>compress that much?

    For discussion purposes, I will ignore dynamic effects like pulses
in the exhaust pipe, and try to paint a useful mental picture.

1.  Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force
air into the intake tract is _atmospheric_.  At the time the intake
valve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only
the difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after
the exhaust stroke) and atmospheric.  As the piston decends on the
intake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing
atmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract.  At no time
does the pressure ever become "negative", or even approach a good
vacuum.

2.  At the time of the exhaust valve closing, the pressure in the
combustion chamber is essentially the pressure of the exhaust system up
to the first major flow restriction (the muffler).  Note that the volume
of gas that must flow through the exhaust is much larger than the volume
that must flow through the intake, because of the temperature
difference and the products of combustion.

3.  In the last 6-8 years, the Japanese manufacturers have started
paying attention to exhaust and intake tuning, in pursuit of almighty
horsepower.  At this point in time, on high-performance bikes,
substitution of an aftermarket free-flow air filter will have almost
zero affect on performance, because the stock intake system flows very
well anyway.  Substitution of an aftermarket exhaust system will make
very little difference, unless (in general) the new exhaust system is
_much_ louder than the stocker.

4.  On older bikes,  exhaust back-pressure was the dominating factor.
If free-flowing air filters were substituted, very little difference
was noted, unless a free-flowing exhaust system was installed as well.

5.  In general, an engine can be visualized as an air pump.  At any
given RPM, anything that will cause the engine to pump more air, be it
on the intake or exhaust side, will cause it to produce more horsepower.
Pumping more air will require recalibration (rejetting) of the carburetor.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104328
From: erick@andr.UB.com (Eric A. Kilpatrick)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

Personally, I follow the no alcohol rule when I'm on a bike.  My view is that you have to be in such a high degree of control that any alcohol could be potentially hazardous to my bike!  If I get hurt it's my own fault, but I don't want to wreck my Katana.  I developed this philosophy from an impromptu *experiment*.  I had one beer at 6:00 in the evening and had volleyball practice at 7:00.  I wasn't even close to leagle intoxication, but I couldn't perform even the most basic things until 8:30!  This made



 me think about how I viewed alcohol and intoxication.  You may seem fine, but your reactions may be affected such that you'll be unable to recover from hitting a rock or even just a gust of wind.  I greatly enjoy social drinking but, for me, it just doesn't mix with riding.

Max enjoyment!
Eric


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104329
From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside)
Subject: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)

--

Thanks to all of you who gave advice on the CB900 Custom. 

As recommended, I had the bike compression tested.  Compression was
a little low, but very even across the four cylinders (+/- 5 psi).  They
said that it was tested a little cold, so that would explain the low 
numbers (around 90).  Does this sound right?  Otherwise, the bike looked
great.  No signs of road rash, and no rust.  This bike looks great! 
It is now in the shop getting tuned and new tires.  
I am opting for the Metzler ME55 and ME33 tires (thanks to those 
who posted this other thread).  This bike is _BIG_ compared to my other bikes.  
( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. )  I should
be road legal tomorrow.  I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about 
the transmission and taking my chances.

Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).

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|     |\/\/\/|      ___________________                              |
|     |      |     /                   \                             |
|     |      |    /  Jamie W. Burnside  \                            |
|     | (o)(o)   (  jburnside@ll.mit.edu )                           |
|     C      _) / \_____________________/                            |
|      | ,___| /                                                     |
|      |    /                                                        |
|      / __\                                                         |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104330
From: meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain)
Subject: What about No-Fault?


Insurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage.  Since the
majority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we
would have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system?

With a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the
legal costs out of the system.  But it looks like motorcyclists would
get screwed.


-- 
Michael "Chuck" Bain                       meb4593@icdfs.ca.boeing.com  
----------------------------------------------------------------------
		     "Semi-Loud Pipes Save Lives"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104331
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: Rejetting carbs..

Now, I am jumping into the middle of this thread so I may not know
what y'all been talking about, but I have a few comments:

In rec.motorcycles, davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
>1.  Unless an engine is supercharged, the pressure available to force
>air into the intake tract is _atmospheric_.  At the time the intake
>valve is opened, the pressure differential available to move air is only
>the difference between the combustion chamber pressure (left over after
>the exhaust stroke) and atmospheric.  As the piston decends on the
>intake stroke, combustion chamber pressure is decreased, allowing
>atmospheric pressure to move more air into the intake tract.  At no time
>does the pressure ever become "negative", or even approach a good
>vacuum.

There are a number of other factors that are very important, the three
biggest being air velocity, air momentum and shock waves.
Velocity stacks have been used for years and are now being used inside
of stock airboxes on a number of bikes.  At a tuned engine rpm, the
stacks can greatly increase the speed, and thus momentum of the air
rushing in.
Air momentum is critical in getting good air intake: the momentum of
the air stack outside the combustion chamber will force its way inside
long after the piston has begun its compressive up-stroke.
Shock waves are used to induce air intake and to prevent fresh air from
escaping out the exzhaust ports.  Shock waves are the product of expansion
chambers or any other means of presenting a 'wall' (opening or closing)
to the air in motion.  Beyond this I am lost in the mystery of how they
design for shock waves.

	<================================================>
       /        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
      /    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
     /  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
    <========================================================>

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104332
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

In article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>,
maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|>  
|>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to
|> rock 
|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
|>  
|>  So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and 
|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.
|>  
|>  The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know
|> for 
|> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a ....
|> church 
|> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should
|> I just 
|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or
|> should I 
|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my
|> likely 
|> passenger? 

   My rule of thumb is "Don't give rides to people that wear
a bigger helmet than you", unless your taste runs that way,
or they are family.friends.
Gee,  reminds me of a *dancer* in Hull, just over the river 
from Ottowa, that I saw a few years ago, for her I would a
bought a bigger helmet (or even her own bike) or anything 
else she wanted ;->
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104333
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!

In article <1993Apr15.135232.24454@dsd.es.com>, bgardner@pebbles.es.com
(Blaine Gardner) writes:
|> In article <34211@castle.ed.ac.uk> wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake)
|> writes:
|> >
|> >The Banana one isn't, IMHO.  Ultra sticky labels printed with your
|> >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead
|> of
|> >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the
|> cage.
|> 
|> So what's your local hospital's favorite curse?
|>

  "May your skin stick to a frozen bed pan"
  "May your apple juice be mistakenly drawn from the urinalisys
lab"

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#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104334
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Contact person for boots

In article <1993Apr15.132316.4054@news.columbia.edu>,
rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
|> Would anyone out there in DoDland be able to help me out in giving
|> me
|> a contact to purchase a pair of military air-borne combat boots (9
|> 1/2
|> D in size).  These boots (so I have read here on rec.moto) are calf
|> height boots that use only velcro for enclosure.  I have phoned
|> around
|> and nobody seems to carry such an item.  I admit I have not gone
|> into
|> the deepest bowels of NYC yet for the search but I have made some
|> calls to several of the bigger army/navy type stores with no luck.
|> 
|> Anyone out there know of a place that does carry such an item as
|> well
|> as does mail order?  Any help would be appreciated.
|> 

 Currently there are no "Velcro" jump boots as issue in
the military, there are two other kinds. One is made my
Cochran and sell for $85.00 in either the Clothing sales
store or US Cavalry (Price match at the Cav store) the
second co is also sold but somewhat cheaper in design.
Actually they don't care what you wear as long is they
are 10 eyelets high.
There is another boot called a "Tankers boot" this has
similar construction to a wellington boot except for the
boot shape and has straps that wrap around for tightness.
Nice boots

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                 and TARGETS !!!
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Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
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#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104335
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

If I have one thing to say about "No Fault" it would be
"It isn't"
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104336
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Security

In article <2500@tekgen.bv.tek.com>, davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave
Tharp CDS) writes:
|> I saw his bike parked in front of a bar a few weeks later without
|> the
|> dog, and I wandered in to find out what had happened.
|> 
|> He said, "Somebody stole m' damn dog!".  They left the Harley
|> behind.
|> 

Animal Rights people have been know to do that to other
"Bike riding dogs.cats and Racoons.  

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                 and TARGETS !!!
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Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104337
From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750?

Mark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote:
: I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990
: Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles
: and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees
: of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the
: bike.

: I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this
: would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life
: span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with
: prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is
: for cars?.

: Thanks for any advice you can give.

:                             --Mark
--

Mark,

  47k is not too many miles on a VFR750.  I sold my (well maintained)
'87 VFR700 with 52k miles on it and the engine was in mint condition.
All that the bike needed was steering head bearings and fork bushings
and seals.  The guy who bought it had a mechanic pull the valve covers
to look at the top end, do a compression check etc.  He confirmed it was
mint.

   As for price, $4500 seems a little steep.  I bought my '90 with 12k
miles on it a year ago (and in absolutely cherry condition) for $4800.
There is a bluebook, ask your bank or credit union for the going price.
I've seen a couple of ads for VFR's in the $4500 dollar range.  They all
said low miles & mint condition but I didn't actually go look at them.

   A VFR is a very sweet bike and will last you forever if you maintain
it at all.  One thing to look for, BTW, is a soft front end.  If my
VFR is any indication, at 12k miles the fork springs were totally shot.
Progressive springs ($55) fixed it right up.

Good luck,

 _______________________ K _ E _ N ____________________________
|                                                              |
| Ken Snyder              ms/loc: 330 / UN2                    |
| Hewlett-Packard Co.     LSID  : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. |
| 8600 Soper Hill Road    gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253    |
| Everett, WA 98205-1298  un-ix : kens@lsid.hp.com             |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104338
From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Subject: Re: Should I buy a VRF 750?

Mark N Bricker (mnb4738@cs.rit.edu) wrote:
: I am in the market for a bike and have recently found a 1990
: Honda VRF 750 at a dealership. The bike has about 47,000 miles
: and is around $4500. It has had two previous owners, both employees
: of the dealership who, I have been told, took very good care of the
: bike.

: I have two questions: 1) Is this too many miles for a bike? I know this
: would not be many miles for a car but I am unfamiliar with the life
: span of bikes. 2) Is this a decent price? I am also unfamilar with
: prices for used bikes. Is there a blue book for bikes like there is
: for cars?.

: Thanks for any advice you can give.

:                             --Mark


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| Ken Snyder              ms/loc: 330 / UN2                    |
| Hewlett-Packard Co.     LSID  : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. |
| 8600 Soper Hill Road    gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253    |
| Everett, WA 98205-1298  un-ix : kens@lsid.hp.com             |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104339
From: kens@lsid.hp.com (Ken Snyder)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!!  Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!

Reading all you folks things to do to illegally parked cars made me
wonder who's going to carry cinder blocks on a bike(?!?!?) or is 
ready to do serious damage (key carvings etc.) to a cage.  Then I
had an idea--chain lube isn't just for chain's anymore!!!  It seems
more reasonable to me, no permanent damage but lots of work to get
off!  (Don't ask me how I know :)  Use it anywhere, the windshield,
the door handles, in the keyhole, etc.  What a nasty mood I'm in.
It's raining again...

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|                                                              |
| Ken Snyder              ms/loc: 330 / UN2                    |
| Hewlett-Packard Co.     LSID  : Lake Stevens Instrument Div. |
| 8600 Soper Hill Road    gte/tn: (206) 335-2253 / 335-2253    |
| Everett, WA 98205-1298  un-ix : kens@lsid.hp.com             |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104340
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f


In a previous article, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) says:

>Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled:
>: In article <txd.734810267@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
>: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:
>
>: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here]
>
>The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of
>nowhere, you can eat them.

	And they're rather tasty.


>  Fuel's a bit cheaper, too.
>

	Per gallon (bushel) perhaps. Unfortunately they eat the same amount
every day no matter how much you ride them. And if you don't fuel them they
die. On an annual basis, I spend much less on bike stuff than Amy the Wonder
Wife does on horse stuff. She has two horses, I've got umm, lesseee, 11 bikes.
I ride constantly, she rides four or five times a week. Even if you count 
insurance and the cost of the garage I built, I'm getting off cheaper than 
she is. And having more fun (IMHO).



>
>
-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104341
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: Re: more DoD paraphernali




JS>From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

JS>In article <1pppnrINNitg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>,
JS>doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis) wrote:
JS>>
JS>> How about a decal of thicker vinyl?

JS>  How about a Geeky temporary tatoo?  I mean, why should the
JS>  RUBs be exempt from a little razzing.

That's sick! I want!

You make 'em up, I promise to order. I wannabe Badtothebone!

The cheesy "Live to Ride" eagles are sitting on my shelf, waiting for
the big ride down the coast. (It now looks like we may hit points
farther south than expected. How do I get in contact with Bay Area
Denizens? Replies to address below. Me n' Charlie will be along in early
or mid May.)

Seriously. I like the idea of temporary Geekys (Geekies? Geekae?
Geekii?). It fits the whole DoD image: it sounds bad, but it's really
worse.

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .




JS>====================================================
JS>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
JS>                    All standard disclaimers apply.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104342
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (S

JL-NS>Subject: Re: Motorcycle Courier (Summer Job)

I'd like to thank everyone who replied. I will probably start looking in
earnest after May, when I return from my trip down the Pacific Coast
(the geographical feature, not the bike).

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104343
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article <1qegpf$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> I know it sounds ludicrous for a biker to advocate restrictions on
> biking in a biking forum,

Don't you mean "former motorcyclist?"

- Roid

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104344
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <1993Apr14.190210.8996@megatek.com>, randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
> |The rider (pilot?)
> 
>   I'm happy I've had such an effect on your choice of words, Seth.. :-)

:-)

T'was a time when I could get a respectable response with a posting like that.
Randy's post doesn't count 'cause he saw the dearth of responses and didn't 
want me to feel ignored (thanks Randy!).

I was curious about this DoD thing.  How do I get a number?  (:-{)}

- Roid

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104345
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes:
> No anyone who is a "true" rider with the real riding attitude will offer a
> wave, weather they are on a Harley or on a Honda or some other bike, inless
> they have a serious case of my bike is better than your and you're too low
> to be acknowleged. This you'll find is the case with most of the harley
> riders out here where I am, however I still give them a wave, and ride
> secure in the knowlege that I'm a better persob than they are.

Huh?

- Roid

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104346
From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a front tire.

In article <C5HrxJ.ACE@unix.amherst.edu>, nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel M
endell) writes:
>Ken Orr (orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com) wrote:
>: In article <C5G7Hv.Cs@unix.amherst.edu> nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel
Mendell) writes:
>: >Steve Mansfield (smm@rodan.UU.NET) wrote:
>: >: Yes, my front tire is all but dead.  It has minimal tread left, so it's
>: >: time for a new one.  Any recommendations on a good tire in front?  I'm
>: >: riding on an almost brand new ME55A in back.
>: >:
>: >: Steve Mansfield       | The system we've learned says we're equal under la
w
>: >: smm@uunet.uu.net    | But the streets are reality, the weak and poor will
fall
>: >: 1983 Suzuki GS550E  | Let's tip the power balance and tear down the crown
>: >: DoD# 1718     | Educate the masses, we'll burn the White House down.
>: >: Queensryche           -       Speak the Word.
>: >
>: >The best thing is to match front and back, no? Given that the 99A ("Perfect"
?)
>: >is such a good tire, just go with that one
>: >
>:     The Me99a perfect is a rear. The match for the front is the Me33 laser.
>:
>:     DOD #306                                     K.O.
>:   AMA #615088                             Orr@epcot.spdc.ti.com
>
>Yeah, what *he* said....<:)
>
>Nathaniel
>ZX-10
>DoD 0812
>AM

>Yes, you definitely need a front tire on a motorcycle....<grin>

-- 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104347
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

In article <1qmvutINN3he@lynx.unm.edu> galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon) writes:
}In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in
}front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the 
}jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch
}into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a
}better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than
}from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.

This is pretty damned complicated. I just make a "back off" motion with
my hand/arm, and the second or third time even the most braindead cager
backs off. If they don't back off then, I find a way to get the hell out
of there -- the cager is either psychotic, drunk, or just a complete
asshole. In any case, I don't want to be anywhere near, and especially
not in front.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104348
From: bleve@hoggle2.uucp (Bennett Lee Leve)
Subject: Re: Choking Ninja Problem

In article <1993Apr13.153441.49118@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:


 >   I need help with my '85 ZX900A, I put Supertrapp slip-on's on it and
 >   had the carbs re-jetted to match a set of K&N filters that replaced
 >   the stock airbox.  Now I have a huge flat spot in the carburation at
 >   about 5 thousand RPM in most any gear.  This is especially frustrating
 >   on the highway, the bike likes to cruise at about 80mph which happens
 >   to be 5,0000 RPM in sixth gear.  I've had it "tuned" and this doesn't
 >   seem to help.  I am thinking about new carbs or the injection system
 >   from a GPz 1100.  Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix besides
 >   restoring it to stock?
 >   Starr@kuhub.ukans.cc.edu	 the brain dead." -Ted Nugent

It sound like to me that your carbs are not jetted properly.
If you did it yourself, take it to a shop and get it done right.
If a shop did it, get your money back, and go to another shop.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104349
From: keller@hubble.ifa.hawaii.edu (Tim Keller)
Subject: airhorns on an FJ1100 review            

For those of you who are thinking about fiamms, you might also want to think
about airhorns. I just installed a set of Bosch air horns ordered from 
Dennis Kirk (pg. 282 of the latest catalog) on my '85 FJ1100. They are rated
at 93db at 7 meters. I installed them using 10 gage wire from the battery to
the relay to the compressor to ground. My stock horn connectors fit the relay
pins just fine. I soldered the connections to the relay and compressor, and used
a crimp type battery connector and an inline 10amp fuse/connector from NAPA.
	I installed the compressor just forward of the fuse box in the front
fairing by tie wrapping between the steering head frame and the black steel tube
frame used to support the front fairing. You have to remove the front fairing to
do this, but it fits outside of the frame but inside the fairing on the two
vertical supports just in front of the fuses. Depending how tight your fairing
follows the frame, you should be able to fit it somewhere in the fairing.
The compressor is about 2" in diameter and about 5" long.
	The relay mounted on the front of the steering head frame (it is small
so there should be plenty of good places for it.
	I found a perfect place for the horns that required only tie wraps to
mount. The horns fit inside the front fairing/frame and stick out on either side
just in front of the air scoops, but behind the turn signals. The back of the
horns point back towards the center of the bike and come real close to where
the gas tank connects to the front part of the frame. There is just enough
room to the outside to allow full lock to lock clearance, and there are nice
cut outs in the frame for the back of the horn to go into.
	The short horn is even with the fairing, and the long one sticks out
about an inch or so, but it is really not that noticable unless you look
closely. They end up pointing down slightly and maybe 30 degrees from straight
ahead (perfect for those cagers trying to change lanes into you).
	If you have any other questions about the mounting, email, and I can try
to explain better. If your bike is not red, then you may want to paint them
first.
	How do they work you ask? They are very, very, very *LOUD*. They sound
more like a european sports car than a truck, but a vast improvement over stock.
I have used them at least daily since installing them, and the 10 amp fuse has
not blown yet (although, the duration of the horn blasts have been short).
	I've repeatedly scared the shit out of my friends with them, even though
they know that I have the horns, they still jump. They are perfect for keeping
the pedestrians on the sidewalk.
The bottom line is they work, are loud enough to cause pain and suffering to
those stupid lane changing cages (as well as take a few years off their lives)
and are relatively easy to install on the FJ. YMMV.

-TJK
'85 FJ1100 with "GET OUT OF MY WAY" horns.
"That looks like a suit you'd fight a fire in" -comment about the Aerostich

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104350
From: <U56673@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: buying advice needed

I am looking for advice on buying a susuki GS1100E.  does anyone out there
know about any inherent flaws the bike may have or problems i should look
for?
what about insurance rates (is this bike blacklisted)?
also, as a person who has never ridden a motorcycle yet is buying a 1100
to start off with.... am I crazy?  I have been told by some people to start out
small.... and by others that i am lage enough to handle an 1100 right off from
the start (6'4" 210 pounds) because some others might be a tad bit small.

Oh yeah, one more question.  Anybody in the chicago area know of any good
instruction schools or programs where i could get aquanted before i just go
buy one and kill myself getting it home.

thanks,
   brian

p.s. please email me direcly because i do not get much of a chance to read your
group...   thanks again.. :)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104351
From: cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1993Apr16.175534.13478@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:

>We all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why
>one can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle. The question is,
>is one of the effect dominant, and which one is it? The idea would be to
>design an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics, and
>see which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of
>us who have bikes are familiar.

As you point out, the experiments would be difficult. But we know
enough about the physics of the situation to do some calculations.
There are in fact three effects contributing to leaning the bike over
to begin a turn.

	1. Gyro effect causing a torque which twists the bike over.

	2. Contact patch having shifted to one side, causing bike to fall over.

	3. Contact patch being accelerated to the side, causing a
	torque which twists the bike over.

Take an average bike/rider, average bike wheel, and at speeds of 5,
15, and 50 mph (say) calculate how much twist of the bars would be
needed to produce (say) 20 degrees of lean in (say) 2 seconds by each
effect alone. My guess is that at slow speeds 2 is dominant, and at
high speeds 3 is dominant, and at all speeds 1 contributes not far off
bugger all, relatively speaking.

By the way, a similar problem is this: how does a runner who wants to
run round a corner get leaned into the corner fast? Is there a running
group where we could start "counter-footing" arguments and have them
all falling over as they tried to work out how they go round corners?
-- 
Chris Malcolm    cam@uk.ac.ed.aifh          +44 (0)31 650 3085
Department of Artificial Intelligence,    Edinburgh University
5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL, UK                DoD #205

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104352
From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: Kawasaki 440 AE for sale.



Included in thas  sale is a Cover  .  THe cover is not sold separately.
The trailer is not being sold.   

pat

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104353
From: "Jae W. Chang" <jae+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Info on Sport-Cruisers

I'm looking for a sport-cruiser - factory installed fairings (
full/half ), hard saddle bags, 750cc and above, and all that and still
has that sporty look.

I particularly like the R100RS and K75 RT or S, or any of the K series
BMW bikes.

I was wondering if there are any other comparable type bikes being
produced by companies other than BMW.

Thanks for the info,
Jae

--------------------------
jae@cmu.edu 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104354
From: daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:


>Better still, reverse this sequence, then hit the bugger under accelleration
>(to stabilise yourself). I hate things that attack me. 
>If the dog thinks you have run away, it has established dominance over 
>these funny noisy sheep things, and will attack every bike that comes 
>along for the fun of it. If you can hurt the bugger, it learns that it 
>is below bikes in the peck order, and you may have saved the life of a 
>future biker, whose evasive action to avoid the dog might otherwise put 
>him under a truck. Never avoid a dog for the dog's sake, only you're own. 

 I hate to  admit this but there does seem to be some sort of twisted logic
to this approach. It's the bikers against the world and the dogs are just 
another worthless adversary. So remember to wear at least calf height leather
boots, ( in case the dog gets lucky and sinks his teeth into your
attacking foot) and go for the gusto, If that dog doesn't retreat from the
street with his tail between his legs next time you see it then you really
haven't done your bit for all your fellow bikers.

>This also applies in cages.

Sorry I can't go this far, A dog against and armored cage just doesn't
seem like a fair fight.

>If the dog is out of control, it is a menace to all road users, and no
>compunction should be felt if ensuring your safety means the destruction of 
>it's. After all, it is forcing the game, not you.

after all it is a dog eat dog world 

Dave


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104355
From: artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)
Subject: More MOA stuff --- like the RA

OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept 
leadership.

My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the
formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years
ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups?

Just to stave off flames: I'm a (relatively new) member of both groups
and besides a difference in the slickness of the magazines, it seems
the major difference is that the RA guys seem to have more fun. . .

Art
-- 
Art Campbell          artc@world.std.com            72227.1375@compuserve.com
   DoD 358                                  _Real_ BMWs have just two wheels.
    "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent 
     and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104356
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
>: English cars:-
>
>: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc.
>                  ^^^^^^
>   Talk about Harleys using old technology, these
>Morgan people *really* like to use old technology.
>I think their suspension design hasn't changed since 
>they went from 3 wheels to 4 back in the '50s.  And it's
>not like they had reached the pinnacle of good design 
>at that point either. 

Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood)
frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)).  
I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features.

Karen Black

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104357
From: mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin)
Subject: dogs

I'm a biker and a dog-lover.

First and foremost, I want to mention some common sense.  If it's a choice
between injuring/killing a dog or getting yourself injured/killed, there is
only one rational decision.  Only the most insane animal rights kook would put
the dog first.

Second, it's useful to learn how to read a dog's body language.  How you react
to a dog who is chasing you because he thinks it's a game (and that you're
playing with him) is completely different from how you react to a dog which
has hostile intent.

Third, it's useful to learn how to present yourself to a dog.  Dogs are social
beasts, and recognize a domination/submission hierarchy.  To a dog, there are
two types of fellow-creatures; that which he dominates, and that which
dominate him.  You need to unambiguously represent yourself as being of the
latter class.  You are God: you are easily angered and your anger is terrible.
But God is also amused by one who properly submits to His dominance, and may
even on rare occasions dispense a kind word, a kind word, or even (oh joy oh
rapture unforeseen) A Dog Bisquit!

Now, how does that all relate to biking?  Well, first, it's a good idea to
assume that most dogs who chase motorcycles do so because they think it's a
game, and not out of overt hostility.  The MSF suggestion is a very good one;
when you see the dog coming, slow down so he determines a particular place of
interception.  Just before you (and he) reach that spot, punch the throttle so
that when he reaches it you're already long gone.  Dogs take a few seconds to
react to new input, and definitely cannot comprehend the acceleration that a
motorcycle is capable of.

With a hostile dog, or one which you repeatedly encounter, stronger measures
may be necessary.  This is the face off.  First -- and there is very important
-- make sure you NEVER face off a dog on his territory.  Face him off on the
road, not on his driveway.  If necessary, have a large stick, rolled up
newspaper, etc. (something the beast will understand is something that will
hurt him).  Stand your ground, then slowly advance.  Your mental attitude is
that you are VERY ANGRY and are going to dispense TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.  The
larger the dog, the greater your anger.

Dogs will pick up anger, just as they can pick up fear.  And, since you and he
are not on his home territory, it may suddenly dawn on the dog that perhaps he
is on your territory, and that you are prepared to fight to the death.

Most dogs will decide that it is a good idea to retreat to their own territory
where there is at least a home advantage.  They'll also observe that you are
satisfied by that retreat (gesture of submission) and thus they have escaped
punishment.

The interesting thing about dogs is that body language communicates a great
deal to them.  The more effective you are at communicating body language, the
less you actually have to do.  After 7 years with my 93 pound beast, I've
learned a few tricks I think...

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104358
From: jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu
Subject: Misc./buying info. needed

Hi. I have been thinking about buying a Motorcycle or a while now and I have
some questions:

-Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how
to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?
-Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?

Also
-Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc?
-Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?

ANY related information is helpful. Please respond directly to me.

Thanks a lot.
-Jordan

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104359
From: ljuca+@CS.CMU.EDU (Ljubomir Perkovic)
Subject: Draining battery

I have a problem with the battery on my '83 Honda CB650 NightHawk.
Every week or so it is dead and I have to recharge it. I ride the bike 
every day, the battery is new and the charging system was checked 
thoroughly and it seems fine. My suspicion is that it is draining
somewhere. 

Do you have any idea about what is causing this problem?
Please help since my mechanic and me are clueless!...

Ljubomir



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104360
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In rec.motorcycles klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
;In <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
;
;>Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley.
;>Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my
;>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
;>other, from what I can tell.
;
;  When we take a hand off the bars we fall down!

The problem is that Squids and BadAssBikers can't recognize
each other's waves.  When you're riding a cruiser, you "wave"
by lifting two or three fingers of the left hand, without
first removing that hand from the handlebar.  When you're
riding a crotch rocket, you lower the left hand to about
ankle level, palm forward, and call that a wave.

Generic bike riders actually seem to raise the hand entirely
off the handlebar and wave it around, so it's easy to tell
when they're waving.

---
chris

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104361
From: revco@sfsuvax1.sfsu.edu (John Boockholdt)
Subject: Re: Lane Sharing in CA

In three years of riding in the cities of San Jose,
Santa Clara, and Sunnyvale I never came into any
conflict with the local police over my lane splitting
habits (all three of these cities were listed earlier
as being anti-splitting in one way or another).  I
can't say whether this was due to luck, police
kindness, or there not actually being any ordinances
against it in these cities, so I continue.....

RevCo


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104362
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:

> My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or
> something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the
> approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target,
> then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it
> didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my
> house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
> the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
> the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to
> harm.

[interesting dog collision story deleted]

> What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have
> prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not
> necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was
> riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if
> it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the
> thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a
> blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are
> long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end?
> 
> I eagerly await comment.

My driveway and about half my neighbor's driveways are long enough to
do a good 80 clicks (50mph for the velocity impaired) if we wanted to.
Granted, I live in the country, however I've seen neighbors whip out
of their driveways at the above mentioned 30 mph quite a bit- they
claim they can tell that "There's noone on the road for quite a ways."
This despite having nearly been hit myself by one of them while driving
a Chev 4x4, and twice taking my 10-speed bicycle over the hood of a
car that had pulled out, saw me, *then* stopped.  Same driver.  Same car.
About two months apart.  

ObMoto:  The scary relevant part is that these people and I live on the type
of twisty two lane that we all favor for riding- and I know damn well
that they can't see me on my bike, not if they couldn't see me in 
my pickup.

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> 
> 
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	There's nothing like the pitter-patter of little feet,
	followed by the words "Hey- you're not my Daddy!"

	(Sorry- I had to do it just once)
	

--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104363
From: keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...

In article <13386@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.
>
>I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
>vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.
>
>Now what do I do?

Sell the bike and the car and start taking the bus. That way you can
keep drinking which seems to be where your priorities lay.

I expect that enough of us on this list have lost friends because of
driving drunks that our collective sympathy will be somewhat muted.

Showing great restraint,
Keith Hanlan  KeithH@bnr.ca  Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada 613-765-4645

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104364
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted

In article <1qmnga$s9q@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes:
>In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says:

>>I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin
>>desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd
>>cylinder would go? A 12 second 1/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all.
>
>Sorry, I should have been more specific.  The 750 SS ran the quater in
>12.10 @ 108.17.  The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is
>a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @
>103.  Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105.
>
>BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out
>run that.  It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old
>KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on.  Technology stands still for
>no-one...

Not too hard to remember, I bought a GS1000 new in '78. :-) It was
3rd place in the '78 speed wars (behind the CBX & XS Eleven) with a
11.8 @ 113 1/4 mile, and 75 horses. That wouldn't even make a good 600
these days. Then again, I paid $2800 for it, so technology isn't the
only thing that's changed. Of course I'd still rather ride the old GS
across three states than any of the 600's.

I guess it's an indication of how much things have changed that a 12
second 400 didn't seem too far out of line.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104365
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <1993Apr15.141927.23722@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>Huh?
>
>- Roid

	On a completely different tack, what was the eventual outcome of
Babe vs. the Bad-Mouthed Biker?

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104366
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

Karen Black (karen@angelo.amd.com) wrote:
: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
: >Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
: >: English cars:-
: >
: >: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc.
: >                  ^^^^^^
: >   Talk about Harleys using old technology, these
: >Morgan people *really* like to use old technology.

: Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood)
: frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)).  
: I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features.

Hey!  I wasn't picking on Morgan.  They use old technology.  That's all
I said.  There's nothing wrong with using old technology.  People still
use shovels to dig holes even though there are lots of new powered implements
to dig holes with.  
--
*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104367
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
]"Get the organization to act on it" is easy to say, but says little
]about what one really can and should do.  What the organization
]actually will do is largely determined by the president and directors,
]as far as I can see.  That's what makes it so important to vote in an
]election of officers.

if I remember right, I heard that in the last election, only 18% of the
members actually cast votes. I wonder if the current board and their
friends and relatives make up 18% of the membership :-) :-)  I certainly
plan on staying with the club long enough to vote and to see the results.

]It does strike me that the BMWMOA is a lot less politically active (in
]the state and national arenas, not infighting) than other M/C
]organizations.  Should we change this?  Or just join the other groups
]that already are in politics?

I wouldn't support the MOA becoming politically active in that sense.
the AMA already knows how to do that and I'd rather see the MOA support
the AMA in a manner that the *AMA* needs. I think that more could be
accomplished from one strong front rather than two not neccessarily 
coordinated ones.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104368
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
]I wrote the slash two blues for a bit of humor which seems to be lacking
]in the MOA Owners News, when most of the stuff is "I rode the the first
]day, I saw that, I rode there the second day, I saw this" 

I admit it was a surprise to find something interesting to read in 
the most boring and worthless mag of all the ones I get.

]any body out there know were the sense if humor went in people?
]I though I still had mine, but I dunno... 

I think most people see your intended humor, I do, I liked the article.
you seem to forget that you've stepped into the political arena. as well
intentioned as you may intend something you're walking through a china
store carrying that /2 on your head. everything you say or do says something
about how you would represent the membership on any given day. you don't
have to look far in american politics to see what a few light hearted
jokes about one segment of the population can do to someone in the limelight.

OBMoto: I did manage to squeak in a reference to a /2 ;-)

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104369
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes:
]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.

I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling...

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104370
From: dug@hpopd.pwd.hp.com (Dug Smith)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted

I spoke to a sales dweeb in 3X, a Ducati dealer here in Blighty, and he had
nothing good to say about them... it appears they are waaaay underpowered,
(basically, it's the 750/900 with a 400cc engine), and there have been some
quality problems (rusty _frame_ !!).  Save your pennies... buy the 900 :)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104371
From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

I first heard it about academic politics but the same thought seems to
apply to the BMWMOA

"The politics is so dirty because the stakes are so small."

Who cares? I get my dues-worth from the ads and occasional technical
articles in the "News". I skip the generally drab articles about someone's
trek across Iowa. If some folks get thrilled by the power of the BMWMOA,
they deserve whatever thrills their sad lives provide.

BTW, I voted for new blood just to keep things stirred up.

Henry Prange
Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405
DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215
ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2
The four tenets of all major religions:
1. I am right.
2. You are wrong.
3. Hence, you deserve to be punished.
4. By me.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104372
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering

exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au wrote:
: Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !

Oh goody!  I love a puzzle.  Watson!  The games afoot!

: Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there
: was a slight difference-  a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension
: to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very
: tangible "thunk".  I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. 

<stuff deleted>

: Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ?  How can you
: rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without
: damaging the thread in the hole ?  Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo

Let me guess.  You were making a left turn, correct?  The edge of the stud
contacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself.  If you had 
been making a right turn it would have tightened the stud. 


--
*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104373
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
mjs>Secondly, it is the adhesion of the
mjs>tyre on the road, the suspension geometry  and the ground clearance of the
mjs> motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and
mjs>not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
mjs>suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster
mjs>or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise??

egreen@east.sun.com writes:
ed>If he's not, I will.  

Hey Ed, you didn't give me the chance!  Sheesh!

The answer is, absolutely!, as Ed so eloquently describes:

ed>Put two riders on identical machines.  It's the
ed>one who knows what he's doing, and why, that will be faster.  It *may*
ed>be possible to improve your technique if you have no idea what it is,
ed>through trial and error, but it is not very effective methodology.
ed>Only by understanding the technique of steering a motorcycle can one
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
ed>improve on that technique (I hold that this applies to any human
ed>endeavor).

Herein lies the key to this thread:

Kindly note the difference in the responses.  Ed (and I) are talking
about knowing riding technique, while Mike is arguing knowing the physics
behind it.  It *is* possible to be taught the technique of countersteering
(ie: push the bar on the inside of the turn to go that way) *without*
having to learn all the fizziks about gyroscopes and ice cream cones
and such as seen in the parallel thread.  That stuff is mainly of interest
to techno-motorcycle geeks like the readers of rec.motorcycles  ;^),
but doesn't need to be taught to the average student learning c-steering.
Mike doesn't seem to be able to make the distinction.  I know people
who can carve circles around me who couldn't tell you who Newton was.
On the other hand, I know very intelligent, well-educated people who
think that you steer a motorcycle by either: 1) leaning, 2) steering
a la bicycles, or 3) a combination of 1 and 2.  Knowledge of physics
doesn't get you squat - knowledge of technique does!

Mr. Bill

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104374
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) writes:
> No anyone who is a "true" rider with the real riding attitude will offer a
> wave, weather they are on a Harley or on a Honda or some other bike, inless
> they have a serious case of my bike is better than your and you're too low
> to be acknowleged. 

I may not wave:  I just wink at you with one eye.  'Course, it's hard to see
that through a shield and sunglasses, but hey, if you're a "true rider with 
the real riding attitude," you'll sense it.  

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104375
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>, mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
> 
> With a hostile dog, or one which you repeatedly encounter, stronger measures
> may be necessary.  This is the face off.  First -- and there is very important
> -- make sure you NEVER face off a dog on his territory.  Face him off on the
> road, not on his driveway.  If necessary, have a large stick, rolled up
> newspaper, etc. (something the beast will understand is something that will
> hurt him).  Stand your ground, then slowly advance.  Your mental attitude is
> that you are VERY ANGRY and are going to dispense TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.  The
> larger the dog, the greater your anger.

This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
dog or one that's really, *really* stupid.  A large Irish Setter taught me
this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day.  I'm sure he was playing 
a game with me.  The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before 
He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104376
From: small@tornado.seas.ucla.edu (James F. Small)
Subject: Re: Here's to the assholes

In article <JROBBINS.93Apr15103031@kingston.cs.ucla.edu> you rambled on about:
)In article <9953@lee.SEAS.UCLA.EDU> small@thunder.seas.ucla.edu (James F. Small) writes:
)>   Here's to the 3 asshole scooter owners who TRIPLE PARKED behind my
)>    bike today. 
)
)Jim calling other prople assholes, what's next?
                   ^^^^^^

If you're going to flame, learn to spell.

)Besides, assholeism is endemic to the two-wheeled motoring community.

Why I do believe that Jason, the wise, respected (hahahha), has just made a
stereotypical remark.  How unsophisticated of you.  I'm so sorry you had to
come out of your ivory tower and stoop (as you would say), to my , obviously,
lower level.

Besides, geekism is endemic to the albino-phoosball playing community (and
those who drive volvos)


Remember ,send your flames to jrobbins@cs.ucla.edu
-- 
I need what a formal education can not provide.
---
DoD# 2024

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104377
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Safe driving prcatices...

In article <5028@cvbnetPrime.COM>, 
rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben) writes:

|> Never dilly-dally in that rear 1/4 of either side of a cage - when you pass
|> make it as POSITIVE as possible and if you can't pass fully, at least make
|> sure that if you attempt it you can make the driver aware of you by at least
|> getting into his area of vision.

This reads a lot like the philosophies of Musashi,
in the Book of Five Rings. Much of the section on
the long sword is that of being strong and decisive.

Hmmm. The more things change....

|> Ride with four eyes...

What an awfull thing to call your pillion!

|> Rich

|> "Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
|>  us from the evil men do in the name of good"

Power corrupts. Check out the explosion that the
cryptography policy from the WhiteHouse Friday
has caused....

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104378
From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields)
Subject: Misc./Buying Info. Needed

Hi. I have been thinking about buying a Motorcycle or a while now and I have
some questions:

-Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how
to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?
-Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?

Also
-Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc?
-Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?

ANY related information is helpful. Please respond directly to me.

Thanks a lot.
-Jordan

Me also.
					Thanks,

					Jonathan D. Fields
					fields@cis.ohio-state.edu




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104379
From: johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu (William E. Johns)
Subject: Need a wheel


Does anyone have a rear wheel for a PD they'd like to part with?

Does anyone know where I might find one salvage?

As long as I'm getting the GIVI luggage for Brunnhilde and have
the room, I thought I'd carry a spare.

Ride Free,

Bill
___________________________________________________________________             
johnsw@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu  prez=BIMC  KotV KotRR                                
DoD #00314  AMA #580924   SPI = 7.18   WMTC #0002  KotD #0001             
Yamabeemer fj100gs1200pdr650 Special and a Volvo.  What more could anyone ask? 
                                                           
Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.
 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104380
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In rec.motorcycles egreen@east.sun.com writes:
;Revving the throttle requires either [dis]engaging the clutch, 
;or accelerating.  

Not if it's a Harley.

---
chris

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104381
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg>, 
ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
|> hello there
|> ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
|> comment on its handling .

I remember a commercial for some cheap, top-
heavy import cage a while back, where the 
driver says while wearing a stuck-up fake 
TV anouncers smile:

"It Really goes Straight!"

It fits.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104382
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)

In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu>, 
jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:

|> Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
|> info available on this newsgroup.

Isn't this redundent?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104383
From: howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>, 
mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
|> I'm a biker and a dog-lover.

No wonder bikers have such a horrid reputation.

Go find a HUMAN!


|> The interesting thing about dogs is that body language communicates a great
|> deal to them.  The more effective you are at communicating body language, the
|> less you actually have to do. 

I agree completely. Unfortunately, the majority
of my feelings, before I can even start to think
rationally abhout the dog that is trying to kill
me, are fear.

When there's been a moment to set up, like you
said "a bit down the road" or whatever, I've 
never had a problem with dogs.

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104384
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: RGV and posing!!

In article <speedy.153@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>In article <2553@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> amydlak@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Adam Mydlak) writes:

>>[Squid deleted]

> 5.  Helment laws vary from state to state.  In my state (Louisiana) it is 
>the law.  I personaly, would not go 2 feet on a bike without one law or no 
>law.  A helment will save your life.

I'll go 2 feet, but I draw the line at 3. 
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104385
From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias)
Subject: Re: Comments on a 1984 Honda Interceptor 1000?

In article <19APR93.15421177@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:
>Hi.
>     I am considering the purchase of a 1984 Honda 1000cc Interceptor for
>$2095 CDN (about $1676 US).  I don't know the mileage on this bike, but from
>the picture in the 'RV Trader' magazine, it looks to be in good shape.
>Can anybody enlighten me as to whether this is a good purchase?  Is it a 
>good bike?  This will be my first bike.  (I realize that, for a beginner,
>1000cc is considered too be a bit too much bike.  I have heard from friends
>that were once beginners that if they had to start all over again that they
>would have started with a bigger bike.  One just has to be careful and not
>drive outside their skill level.) 
>     I had considered (and posted about two weeks ago) the purchase of 1982
>600cc Yamaha Seca Turbo with 33000 km, but I am a little wary now about the
>prospect of having to deal with a turbo (both on the road and in the shop).  I
>may still consider this bike (the price dropped from $1300 to $1100 CDN), but
>the Honda seems to be a good bike. 
>
>     Comments?
>

One word "HEAVY". It steers heavy, turns require alot of effort. Hard to get
access to the large V-4 motor. Weak/small front forks with anti-dive gizmos!

AT




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104386
From: jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo)
Subject: bike for sale in MA, USA

I've recently become father of twins!  I don't think I can afford
 to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies.  Both babies are staying, so 1 of
 the Harleys is going.

	1988 883 XLHD
	~4000 mi.  (hey, it was my wife's bike :-)
	4speed, chain secondary, laced wheels, buckhorns,
	 tachometer, saddlebags & supports, sissy bar, SE
	 high-flow air cleaner
	dark candy red
	$3700

---
 Jeff deRienzo
 jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104387
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu) writes:
]Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

yes.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104388
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Flashing anyone?

In article <1993Apr15.123539.2228@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
>Hello all,
>
>On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals
>flash).  Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of
>tolls one must pay on route.  Just before arriving at a toll booth I
>switch the hazards on.  I do thisto warn other motorists that I will
>be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.
>Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making
>transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the
>average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll.
>I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and
>usually go to another booth.
>
>My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?

	This sounds like a VERY good thing to do.

>Any others tend to do the same?

	I will now, whenever I don't have my handy-dandy automatic coin
fetcher/toll payer (Annette :-) with me.

	Thanks for the tip.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104389
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Antifreeze/coolant

	For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,
what brand of coolant do you use and why?  I am looking for aluminum-safe
coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.
(Can you believe it:  the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official
Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!!  No way I'm paying that usury...)

Thanks,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104390
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

In article <1993Apr15.153312.4125@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <tcora-140493155620@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com>,
[...]
>>BZZZT! If it is the other driver's fault, your insurance co pays you, less
>>deductible, then recoups the total cost from the other guy/gal's company
>>(there's a fancy word for it, which escapes me right now), and pays you the
>>deductible. Or: you can go to the other guy/gal's company right off - just
>>takes longer to get your cash (as opposed to State Farm, who cut me a check
>>today, on the spot, for the damage to my wife's cage).
>
>	The word is "subrogation."  Seems to me, if you're willing to wait
>for the money from scumbag's insurance, that you save having to pay the
>deductible.  However, if scumbag's insurance is Scum insurance, then you may
>have to pay the deductible to get your insurance co.'s pack of rabid, large-
>fanged lawyers to recover the damages from Scum insurance's lawyers.
>
>	Sad, but true.  Call it job security for lawyers.
>
>Later,
>-- 
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
[...]


You know, it sounds suspiciously like no fault doesn't even do what it
was advertised as doing---getting the lawyers out of the loop.

Sigh.  Another naive illusion down the toilet....





-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104391
From: n8643084@henson.cc.wwu.edu (owings matthew)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

am amazed at the number of Harley riders who ARE waving even to a lowly
baby ninja.  Let's keep up the good attitudes.  Brock Yates said in this
months Car and Driver he is ready for a war (against those who would rather
we all rode busses).  We bikers should be too.

It's a freedom that we all wanna know
and it's an obsession to some
to keep the world in your rearview mirror
while you try to run down the sun

"Wheels" by Rhestless Heart
Marty O.
87 250 ninja
73 XL 250 Motosport

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104392
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Re: CAMPING was Help with backpack

In article <1993Apr14.193739.13359@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1993Apr13.152706.27518@bnr.ca> Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca> writes:
>|My crafty girfriend makes campfire/bbq starters a la McGiver:
>Well, heck, if you're going to make them yourself, you can buy
>candle-wax by the pound--much cheper than the candles themselves.

Hell, just save your candle stubs and bring them.  Light them up, and
dribble the wax all over the kindling wood and light _that_.  Although
I like the belly-button lint / eggshell case idea the best, if you're
feeling particularly industrious some eventful evening.  Or you can
do what I did one soggy summer: open the fuel line, drain some onto a 
piece of rough or rotten wood, stick that into the middle of the soon-to-
be inferno and CAREFULLY strike a match... As Kurt Vonnegut titled one
of the latter chapters in Cat's Cradle, "Ah-Whoom!"

Works like a charm every time :-)


/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\
|                                                                |
|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |
|  '90 Kawi Zephyr                  (Erik Asphaug)               |
|   '86 BMW R80GS                                                |
\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104393
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
>Did I do the right thing?
>
>Yours Truly : 
>
>                                  Niels Mikkel
YESSS!  You make me proud to
be an 'Merkun.  Good thing you
didn't get shot though. Don't
try that with a good'ole boy in Texas.
I once had a jeep driver south of Conroe cut me off (I was 
in my car) after I had flipped him off for doing something really idiotic
and senseless.  All 280 lbs of him stretches out of his jeep; he walks
back (he is blocking all traffic between Dallas and Houston since the
freeway has been squeezed into a single lane) and says to me, "Stick that
finger out again and I'll rip it off your hand and shove it down your
sorry-ass throat."  I stared straight ahead, unblinking.  A hundred
cars were honking.  Eventually he got back into his jeep, face beet-red
with anger, and all the rest of the way back to Houston I tailed him, 
waving, honking, flipping him off, yelling...  I'm glad he decided 
not to shoot me.
/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\
|                                                                |
|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |
| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |
| '86 BMW R100GS						 | 
\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104394
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1qjn7i$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
}>On a
}>waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on
}>a motorcycle, so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the
}>centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for
}>gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*.
}
}...FOR A WATERSKI BIKE.  It contradicts nothing for a motorcycle.

Not only that, but this morning I saw a TV ad for a waterski bike
(a Sea Doo, for those who care). I watched the lengthy ad very
carefully, and in every case and at every speed the riders turned
the handlebars left to go left, and right to go right. In other
words, they were *NOT* countersteering.

So perhaps it is only *some* waterski bikes on which one countersteers...
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104395
From: marcl@os-d.isc-br.com (H. Marc Lewis)
Subject: European M/C Insurance

Anyone in Europe got any advice for a US citizen whose going to be living
and working in Italy for a year and wants to buy a motorcycle there?  An
Italian friend just arrived here in Washington State to work for two years,
and she's finding it very very difficult to obtain car insurance.  So I
thought I'd ask...

I have a US license, with motorcycle endorsement (unlimited displacement),
and have had for 30 years.  I am also a Washington State Motorcycle Safety
instructor, if that info might help.

I will post a summary, even if it's just of my own personal experience in 
buying a bike and getting it insured after I get to Italy.
--
H. Marc Lewis               | "There are two kinds of people in the world --
Olivetti North America      | those who divide everything in the world into
marcl@mail.spk.olivetti.com | two kinds of things and those who don't"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104396
From: csk@wdl50.wdl.loral.com (Chuck Kuczaj)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18

mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes:

>Don't you just hate when the speedo and tach on your
>bike start to cloud over from all that nasty sunshine?
>The detailing tip of the week is to use rubbing compound.

>Moisten a rag, apply some rubbing compound and work into the
>translucent, previously transparent, material. After a few 
>minutes of working on the plastic face, the dial, or plastic 
>face will be clear once more. Will not work for glass.

>-- 

>BTW.  I am not responsible for damages incurred when using 
>      the above method.  Most models can use the treatment
>      safely.


>=============================================================================
>= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
>= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
>= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
>=============================================================================

McGuire's makes a plastic scratch/removing compound and a plastic
polishing compound which really work great as well.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104397
From: manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij)
Subject: Shipping a bike


Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?

I remember a thread on shipping.  If someone saved the instructions
on bike prep, please post 'em again, or email.

Thanks,

Manish

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104398
From: jonc@joncpc.SanDiego.NCR.COM (Mike Corcoran)
Subject: Re: tire recomendation for CB400T wanted

In article <1993Apr14.172716.4301@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>, asalerno@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (antonio.j.salerno..jr) writes:
|> 
|> I've got a '81 CB400T with Chen-Shing (sp?) tires on it.
|> I got it with these tires on it!  The only reason I need new tires 
|> is beacuse I hate (and don't feel safe on) these.
|> 
|> I'd appreciate any recomendations I can get (about NEW tires!).
|> 
|> Thanks,
|> Tony

I'll throw in a vote for a Metzler "economy" tire, the ME77. Good
for mid-size older bikes. Rated to 130mph. Wearing well and handles
my 12 mile ride(twisties) to work well on the SR500. Costs a bit 
more than the Chengs/IRC's etc, but still less than the Sport
Metzlers for the newer bikes. Cost from Chaparral is about $60 for the
front, and $70 for the rear.
-- 
          Jon M.(Mike) Corcoran <Mike.Corcoran@SanDiego.NCR.COM>   
		  '78 Yamaha SR500 - '72 Honda XL250 - '70 Husky 400 Cross

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104399
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: BDI Experience

Kent D. Polk (kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu) wrote:

: Also watch your mirrors any time you are turning. I just had another close
: one last night. Preparing for a right turn on a two lane road. Right turn
: signals on, starting the turn, and this lady behind me hits the throttle and
: starts to pass me on the RIGHT.  This has happened to me twice before.  the

I have had this happen to me often enough that I always look for it.
On my ride to work in the morning I come to a stop light where there are
3 lanes in my direction.  One for left turns, one for straight through, and
one for right turns.  All clearly marked.  Plus there is a clearly marked 
bicycle lane.  I ride into the right turn lane with my signal on and stop at 
the stop line.  Looking left to see if I can make a "right turn on red" and
when I start to move discovered that some idiot has pulled into the bike
lane and is trying to pass me on the right.  GRRR.
   I always do a head check on bike lanes.  Not always for bicycles. . .
--
*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104400
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
down a rathole.
   When you guys sort this out let me know.

--
*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104401
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike


In a previous article, manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) says:

>
>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?

Hmmmmmm....put your butt in the seat and follow the road signs?

-- 
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   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104402
From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: Antifreeze/coolant

In article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
|> 	For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,
|> what brand of coolant do you use and why?  I am looking for aluminum-safe
|> coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.
|> (Can you believe it:  the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official
|> Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!!  No way I'm paying that usury...)
|> 

Prestone.  I buy it at ShopKo for less 
than that a _gallon_.    BMW has even more
expensive stuff than Kawasaki (must be 
from grapes only grown in certain parts of
the fatherland), but BMW Dave* said "Don't 
worry about it -- just change it yearly and
keep it topped off".  It's been keeping 
Gretchen happy  since '87, so I guess it's OK.

Kept my Rabbit's aluminum radiator hoppy for
12 years and 130,000 miles, too, so I guess
it's aluminum safe. 

*Former owner of the late lamented Rochester 
BMW Motorcycles and all around good guy.

-- 


   Pooder  -  Rochester, MN   -  DoD #591  
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104403
From: jjd1@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (james.j.dutton)
Subject: Re: bikes with big dogs

In article <1993Apr14.234835.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
>Has anyone ever heard of a rider giving a big dog such as a great dane a ride 
>on the back of his bike.  My dog would love it if I could ever make it work.
>	Thanks
>			84wendel@cua.edu
 
 If a large Malmute counts then yes someone has heard(and seen) such
an irresponsible childish stunt. The dog needed assistance straightening
out once on board. The owner would lift the front legs of dog and throw
them over the driver/pilots shoulders. Said dog would get shit eating
grin on its face and away they'd go. The dogs ass was firmly planted
on the seat.
 
 My dog and this dog actively seek each other out at camping party's.
They hate each other. I think it's something personal.
 
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 Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. AMA#669373 DoD#564. There ain't no more.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104404
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?

>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,
>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT?  That way, next time some guy comes up
>to me in some parking lot and sez "hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox
>frame on there?" I can say something besides "duh, er, huh?"

The Yammie Deltabox and the Hawk frame are conceptually similar
but Yammie has a TM on the name. The Hawk is a purer 'twin spar' 
frame design: investment castings at steering head and swing arm
tied together with aluminum extruded beams. The Yammie solution is
a bit more complex.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104405
From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

In article <1qf5g8$32l@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Dan J. Declerck (declrckd@rtsg.mot.com) wrote:
>: In states with No-fault auto-insurance, this applies. You basically insure your
>: own vehicle, and the max you can sue for is about $400 (In MI, anyway).
>: The point to be made with no-fault, is the fact that it removes the lawyers from the
>: system, and lets people get their money faster. The removal of lawyers, reduces the
>: clogs on court system, and thus, reduces government burdens, by not requiring so
>: many judges. 
>
>: does it work?? I don't know, ask the people of Michigan....
>
>No, ask the people of New Jersey where the "no-fault" hoax has been
>going on for years.  Last I heard every state that ever got no-fault
>insurance saw an increase in rates.  I know that's what happened in
>NJ because I lived there when it changed.  Just one more reason I will
>never go back to that state.
>--
>*******************************************************************************
>* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
>* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
>*******************************************************************************

        In Colorado my agent tells me that no fault only applies to
   the medical coverage.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104406
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote:
: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
: down a rathole.

i concur with this.

the politics and bickering going on has
ruined BMWMOA to me.  because of the
politics and fighting, i'm i'm going to
let my current membership lapse when it's
up for renewal.


-- hesh

p.s. BMWRA's On The Level is a far superiour
     publication in my opinion.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104407
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

Tommy Marcus McGuire (mcguire@cs.utexas.edu) wrote:
: You know, it sounds suspiciously like no fault doesn't even do what it
: was advertised as doing---getting the lawyers out of the loop.

: Sigh.  Another naive illusion down the toilet....

Since most legislators are lawyers it is very difficult to get any
law passed that would cut down on lawyers' business.  That is why
"No-fault" insurance laws always backfire. 
--
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* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104408
From: bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <1qjtr9$llb@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:
>
>In a previous article, ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg () says:
>
>>hello there
>>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>>comment on its handling .
>
>You're kidding, right?  This is Flame bait in the extreme.  V-max handling?
>Har har har har....

Zero to very fast very quickly... lastest rumor is 115 hp at the rear wheel,
handles like a dream in a straight line to 80-100, and then gets a tad upset
according to a review in Cycle World... cornering, er well, you can't have 
everything... Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards
of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days.

All this gleemed from reviews and discussions with owners. I too lust after
this bike.

bj...bradw@Newbridge.com... no .sig no .plan no.clue  >> DoD# 255 <<

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104409
From: rmugele@oracle.com (Robert Mugele)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:

>   The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>   the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>   driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>   calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>   window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
>   Did I do the right thing?

Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S.  Then the cager will pull a gun
and blow you away.

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| Senior Computational Linguist | Phone: 214-401-5875            |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104410
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)

In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
>( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. )  I should
>be road legal tomorrow.  I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about 
>the transmission and taking my chances.

	There should be no worries about the trans.

>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).

	Does this count?

$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
							 return...)

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104411
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: What about No-Fault?

In article <1416@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:
>
>Insurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage.  Since the
>majority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we
>would have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system?
>
>With a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the
>legal costs out of the system.  But it looks like motorcyclists would
>get screwed.

	Yup.  Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, the cost of insurance
does NOT go down with No Fault.  The crappiest drivers make out like bandits
because they no longer have to bear the responsibility of paying for
insurance that they have boosted in price for themselves by being crappy
drivers.  The good drivers now pay through the nose to spread the cost of
the crappy drivers' actions, and that's not fair.

	Any plan that caps rates for crappy drivers is inherently a piece of
shit, because the rest of us end up paying more.

	Any plan that uses speeding tickets as a basis for raising rates is
also a piece of shit as it is based upon the lie that faster drivers are
inherently less safe than slower drivers, and the NHTSA disproved that two
years ago now.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104412
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

>maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>|>  
>|>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to
>|> rock 
>|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...
>|>  
>|>  So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and 
>|> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.
>|>  
>|>  The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know
>|> for 
>|> certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a ....
>|> church 
>|> meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should
>|> I just 
>|> pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or
>|> should I 
>|> maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my
>|> likely 
>|> passenger? 

	Do I have to be the one to say it?

	DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
	FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!

	That kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against.
If you fall with the helmet on and you hit the same spot the helmet landed
on during the drop, the helmet may not protect your head as well as it was
intended to do.  Conservative rec.moto'ers will recommend that you replace
the helmet.  If you want to be sure that it will protect you adequately, you
should.

	HELMETS GO ON THE GROUND, ON A TABLE, ON A CHAIR, ON A SHELF, OR ON
	ANY OTHER SURFACE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEM SO THAT THEY
	WILL NOT EASILY BE KNOCKED DOWN.

	Jeezus.  My new Shoei would be $340 to replace.  You think I'm going
to leave it to chance?

	Cripe.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104413
From: rbemben@timewarp.prime.com (Rich Bemben)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <1993Apr9.172953.12408@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>The rider (pilot?) of practically every riceburner I've passed recently
>has waved to me and I'm wondering if it will last.  Could they simply be 
>overexuberant that their 'burners have been removed from winter moth-balls 
>and the novelty will soon dissipate?  Perhaps the gray beard that sprouted
>since the last rice season makes them think I'm a friendly old fart that
>deserves a wave...

Maybe...then again did you get rid of that H/D of yorn and buy a rice rocket 
of your own?  That would certainly explain the friendliness...unless you 
maybe had a piece of toilet paper stuck on the bottom of your boot...8-).

Rich


Rich Bemben - DoD #0044                     rbemben@timewarp.prime.com
1977 750 Triumph Bonneville                 (617) 275-1800 x 4173
"Fear not the evil men do in the name of evil, but heaven protect
 us from the evil men do in the name of good"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104414
From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18

Chuck Kuczaj (csk@wdl50.wdl.loral.com) wrote:
: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes:
: 
: McGuire's makes a plastic scratch/removing compound and a plastic
: polishing compound which really work great as well.

A useful tip.

How about someone letting me know MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #19 ?

The far side of my instrument panel was scuffed when the previous owner
dumped the bike. Same is true for one of the turn signals.

Both of the scuffed areas are black plastic.

I recall reading somewhere, that there was some plastic compound you could coat
the scuffed areas with, then rub it down, ending with a nice smooth shiny 
finish ?

Anyone any ideas.

thanks

tony
--
Tony Jones (ant@cray.com, ..!uunet!cray!ant)
CMCS Codegeneration Group, Software Division
Cray Research Inc, 655F Lone Oak Drive, Eagan, MN 55121

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104415
From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck)
Subject: Re: edu breaths

In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>|
>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike
>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders. 
>
>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals.  I
>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of "cruiser" 
>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but.

Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference
between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals.
Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders
(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded. 
To NOT RECOGNIZE this, is in effect, close-minded.

>
>|A lot of it, reminded me of rec.motorcycles and the insipid flame-age thereof..
>
>If you so dislike it, my occasionally leather-clad poser pal, why read it?

I scan it for information, a lot of it is NOISE and pointless flame-age.
(it's why I used trn, instead of rn)

If you have a problem with that, I'm really sorry for you..




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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104416
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: edu breaths

In article <1993Apr15.214910.5676@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
|In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
|>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
|>|
|>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike
|>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders. 
|>
|>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals.  I
|>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of "cruiser" 
|>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but.
|
|Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference
|between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals.

Yes, yes, yes.  Motorcycling is slightly different to each and every one of us.  This
is the nature of people, and one of the beauties of the sport.  

|Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders
|(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded. 

And what view exactly is it that every single rider of cruiser bikes holds, a veiw
that, of course, no sport-bike rider could possibly hold?  Please quantify your
generalization for us.  Careful, now, you're trying to pigeonhole a WHOLE bunch
of people.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104417
From: pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1993Apr14.175856.26051@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>[...] On a
>waterski bike, you turn the handlebars left to lean right, just like on
>a motorcycle,

I don't think this is the case, at least not on all jetskis.  On my
friend's jetski, bars turn left to go left.  Anyway, all you're doing
there is changing the yaw of the jets, so the relationship between
the handlbars and the rear-mounted jets is completely arbitrary
(simple linkage could make it work either way).

>so this supports the move-the-contact-patch-from-beneath-the
>centre-of-mass theory on how to *lean*. This contradicts the need for
>gyroscopic precession to have a countersteering induced *lean*.

It seems to me that jetskis are even more irrelevant to this discussion
than snow skis.  But it *has* been an amusing digression.

Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins
left to go left?  :-)  Or am I confusing two threads here?


Phil Stone            NEW ADDRESS----------> pstone@well.sf.ca.us
'83 R80ST                                      "Motorcycles OK"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104418
From: jfriedl+@RI.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc

egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
|> In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
|> >Ultra sticky labels printed with your
|> >favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of
|> >wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage.
|> 
|> An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
|> thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."  A friend
|> damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
|> the sticker.  I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they
|> were assuming by pulling that stunt.

(not that logic has anything to do with it, but...)
I can see the liability of putting stickers on the car while it was moving,
or something, but it's the BDI that chooses to start and then drive the car
in a known unsafe condition that would (seem to be) liable. Furthermore, they
would have had the last chance to avoid an unsafe situation, which is an
additional factor in attributing "blame".

Anyway, stickers on the window are less effective... no one has any problem
taking a blade to a window to remove a stubborn sticker, but it's a different
story with that that nice paint job on the door....

	*jeff*
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey E.F. Friedl     Omron Corporation, Nagaokakyo (Kyoto), Japan
jfriedl@omron.co.jp, jfriedl@cs.cmu.edu   [ DoD##4  N8XBK  CBR250R ]
Visiting researcher to the Mach Project, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104419
From: wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c)
Subject: Splitfire Plugs...  Kinda Offical...


Yo, Whaz up!!!

Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs.  One
guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell.  Well,
I saw one think that someone said about "Show me a team that used Split-
fires...."  Well, here's some additional insight and some theories
about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages.

Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and
increased power for the 4x4 cages.  Well, for these guys, splitfires
increased performance by increasing TORQUE.  They weren't focusing
on horsepower numbers.

Now how does this related to us high performance pilots?  Well, that
depends.  Do you pilot a high performance 2- or 4-cylinder machine?
In the case of 4-cylinders, splitfires would increase overall torque,
but 4's make more top end horsepower with its torque packed down low.
So for 4's, splitfires would not significantly increase power.

But what about twins?...  Many of you 4 guys laugh at some of us twins,
but many times we carry less weight which sometimes can make up for
the hp loss (see Doug Polen vs. Scott Russell, Daytona 1992).  However,
twins make more torque thoughout their powerbands.   So how does this
translate?  Increased torque should "theoretically" help twins make
more power.  Splitfire claims that there should be not extra mods
or anything made, just stick 'em in.

Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with
somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than
4's.        

As far as racing teams....  Ducati team "Fast by Ferraci" used
splitfires in the 1989 season (this is when they had Jamie James
running for em), but I don't know why they stopped since then.
Also, somebody check to see if they had them in 88.....

Peace.

Warren
wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Have Suzuki, will travel..."

At a local "fix-er-up-er" shop, the bike repairest looked at a
dumped ZX-7.  Then he asked the guy...

"What happened..."   "I dumped the clutch..."
"How fast..."        "Pretty fast..."
"Insurance..."       "Nope."

The fixer smiled.....

"What do you know about bikes?"   "Not much....."
 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104420
From: M. Burnham <markb@wc.novell.com>
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

In article <RMUGELE.93Apr15135857@oasun1.oracle.com> Robert Mugele,
rmugele@oracle.com writes:
>Absolutely, unless you are in the U.S.  Then the cager will pull a gun
>and blow you away.

Well, I would guess the probability of a BMW driver having a gun would
be lower than some other vehicles.  At least, I would be more likely 
to say something to someone in a luxosedan, than a hopped-up pickup
truck, for example.

- Mark

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966  DoD#0747 
Alfa Romeo GTV-6                             '90 Ninja 750
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104421
From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!

In article <1993Apr14.133413.1499@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <bethdC5G0H6.I48@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>Bzzzzt.  It was me.  Until I discovered my SR250 Touring Bike has a
>>nifty little cache on it for things like coins or lipstick.  The
>>new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>>in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
>
>	Am I the only denizen who thinks that the Natural Look is the best
>look?  The thought of kissing that waxy shit smeared all over a woman's lips
>is a definite turn-off...
So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the "natural look" or
the "waxy shit" category?  I wear something on my lips to keep them from
drying out.  Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either.

>	Not that I'll ever be kissing Beth or Noemi... ;-)
Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't!  Noemi speaks for
herself.

Beth

=================================================================
Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
                                                        -- ZZ Top
=================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104422
From: kristyn@netcom.com (Kristyn Geenwood)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!


In article <9426.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or
>something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the
>approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target,
>then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it
>didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my
>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
>the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to
>harm.
>

   Stuff deleted
>
>Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
>KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
>DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
>ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .
>
>
  I sure hope you got the cost of a replacement panel out of the owner. Here if
the owner should seem reluctant, a stop by the local SPCA (preferably with your
foot/leg all swollen up) to file a viscious dog report would do the trick.

-g.

===========================================================================
Glenn Schmall - astroid@armory.com   | Do not cross the oncoming lanes of 
R65 from hell - beaming to cafe near | death that are californias highways.
you! Yeah I got a DOD#, so what?     | -SJ Mercury News
===========================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104423
From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!)

In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes:
>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote:
>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>: in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
>
>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried
>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too
>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any 
>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy
>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that
>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly,
>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any?

I was very lucky I found a jacket I liked that actually _fits_.
HG makes the v-pilot jackets, mine is a very similar style made
by Just Leather in San Jose. I bought one of the last two they
ever made.

Finding decent womens motorcycling gear is not easy.  There is a lot
of stuff out there that's fringed everywhere, made of fashion leather,
made to fit men, etc.  I don't know of a shop in your area.  There
are some women rider friendly places in the San Francisco/San Jose
area, but I don't recommend buying clothing mail order.  Too hard
to tell if it'll fit.  Bates custom makes leathers.  You might want
to call them (they're in L.A.) and get a cost estimate for the type
of jacket your wife is interested in.  Large manufacturers like
BMW and H.G. sell women's lines of clothing of decent quality, but
fit is iffy.

A while ago, Noemi and Lisa Sieverts were talking about starting
a business doing just this sort of thing.  Don't know what they
finally decided.

Beth

=================================================================
Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
                                                        -- ZZ Top
=================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104424
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk>
 nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1993 08:54:34 GMT

>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).

>Did I do the right thing?

It works for me. I avoid obscenities, and try to remain calm cool and 
collected, and try something like, "You almost just killed me, and I'm not 
moving until you apologize." or something more or less benign like that. I 
haven't been shot a single time, but I don't do it in Texas, and I do only 
do it when there are plenty of witnesses around.

Steve
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104425
From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: KREME

Hi folks!		

Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only	
one man's opinion.  	

Any one else have any experience with the stuff?	



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104426
From: na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?

Request for opinions:	

Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?


We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the 
1-pc is better protection,..."	

Thanks in advance,
Nadine


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104427
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>
 egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
>crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
>primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
>spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
>small one).

So what should I carry if I want to comply with intelligent helmet laws?

(The above comment in no way implies support for any helmet law, nor should 
such support be inferred. A promise is a promise.)

Steve
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104428
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
|hello there
|ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
|comment on its handling .

  Depends on in what context you want it commented on.  It handles great
compared to some bikes, not so good compared to others.  What would you like
it compared to?  (Yes, I've put a few miles on one, although I've never owned
one).

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

       "But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104429
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
|In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|> 
|> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for 
|>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church 
|>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just 
|>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I 
|>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely 
|>passenger? 
|
|If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
|crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
|primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
|spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
|small one).

  Well, you can accomplish both goals, actually, if you have a definite
physical type in mind when you go to these (cough) church meetings..  If
your tastes tend to smaller, more petite (cough) churchgoers, it is more
likely that they will have a smaller head, and you can safely get a medium
or small helmet.

  This works for me, and I traded my spare large helmet with my best friend,
who, at 6'9", tends to look more for women that are over 6'0", and can't
usually fit into the medium size helmet he previously had...

  Of course, if you aren't picky what size (*cough*) churchgoers you give
helpful motorcycle rides to, then Ed's advice will hopefully cover any
eventuality as far as legality is concerned, and a spare handtowel in the
tankbag makes acceptable padding so the passenger can see out of the viewport
(rather than the padding above the viewport) in the cases of extreme mismatch.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

       "But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104430
From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted

In article <C5I2HM.JwC@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>Godfrey DiGiorgi (ramarren@apple.com) wrote:
>& 
>& The Ducati 400 model is essentially a reduced displacement 750, which
>& means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 750 with far less
>& power. It is produced specifically to meet a vehicle tax restriction
>
>The Ducati 750 model is essentially a reduced displacement 900, which
>means it weighs the same and is the same size as the 900 with far less
>power.  And less brakes.
Bzzzt.  The 750SS is 40 pounds lighter than the 900SS.  I personally,
and recently, witnessed my 750SS do a stoppie with a larger-than-
average rider aboard.  He said it took two fingers on that measely
single front disk to accomplish the task.  How much more brake do
you need?

>As such, it's somewhat large and overweight for its motor. It will 
>still handle magnificently, it just won't be very fast. There are
>very few other flaws to mention; the limited steering lock is the 
>annoyance noted by most testers. And the mirrors aren't perfect.
I haven't gone over 4000 rpm yet (still in break in) and haven't
had a problem with the 750SS being too slow.  The limited steering
lock can be a problem if you aren't prepared for it.  The mirrors
are very good, IMHO.  Someone forgot to tell their designer about
the "whazza behind you, she no matta" philosophy.

>Hewlett Packard             (707) 794-3844 fax,  (707) 538-3693 home
>1212 Valley House Drive     IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510
Hmmmm.  I don't see a 400, 750 _or_ 900SS in your .sig.  Did I miss
something?

Beth

=================================================================
Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
                                                        -- ZZ Top
=================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104431
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Subject: Re: Choking Ninja Problem

starr@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
: I need help with my '85 ZX900A, I put Supertrapp slip-on's on it and
: had the carbs re-jetted to match a set of K&N filters that replaced
: the stock airbox.  

	Ahh, and just how were the carbs rejeted to "match" the changes
you made to the bike? A stage three kit from K/N or Dynojet?

: Now I have a huge flat spot in the carburation at : about 5 thousand RPM
in most any gear. 
	
	Isn't rejetting fun? 

: This is especially frustrating
: on the highway, the bike likes to cruise at about 80mph which happens
: to be 5,0000 RPM in sixth gear.  I've had it "tuned" and this doesn't
: seem to help.  I am thinking about new carbs or the injection system
: from a GPz 1100.  Does anyone have any suggestions for a fix besides
: restoring it to stock?
: 

	New CARBS??? Why would that fix it? you still have to get the 
jetting right to match what seems to be a extremely overly lean condition.
You added a more free flowing exhaust, and then higher flowing filters. 
Chances are it's to lean. BUT! This may not be,that's the big fun with 
carb tuning. It's _very_ tricky. 

	Your one and only choice (unless you want to spend many hours
fiddling with the carbs) is to take it to a guy witha  Dyno and have he
tune the carbs for your current set up. Otherwise you'll be playing
a guessing game for a long time...

 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                  AFM #422                              DoD #683 

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours  *  1989 Ninja 250 
       
      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================





Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104432
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Subject: Re: Long lasting tires for small bike.

wsh8z@amsun29.apma.Virginia.EDU (Will Heyman) writes:
: no rear tires as small as 110/90. There are some fronts though.

	So get a 120/90 instead. Is there anything that size? 

: Any other recomendations?
: 
	Call the tire companies yourself and tell them what you have. 
They can make recomendations for you. That's your best bet. Check a biker
magazine (Cycle World etc) for phone numbers. 
It's possible there are no other tires available though. 

 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                  AFM #422                              DoD #683 

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours  *  1989 Ninja 250 
       
      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104433
From: declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck)
Subject: Re: edu breaths

In article <1993Apr15.221024.5926@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.214910.5676@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>|In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>|>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>|>|
>|>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike
>|>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders. 
>|>
>|>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals.  I
>|>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of "cruiser" 
>|>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but.
>|
>|Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference
>|between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals.
>
>Yes, yes, yes.  Motorcycling is slightly different to each and every one of us.  This
>is the nature of people, and one of the beauties of the sport.  
>
>|Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders
>|(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded. 
>
>And what view exactly is it that every single rider of cruiser bikes holds, a veiw
>that, of course, no sport-bike rider could possibly hold?  Please quantify your
>generalization for us.  Careful, now, you're trying to pigeonhole a WHOLE bunch
>of people.
>
That plastic bodywork is useless. That torque, and an upright riding position is
better than a slightly or radically forward riding position combined with a high-rpm
low torque motor.

To a cruiser-motorcyclist, chrome has some importance. To sport-bike motorcyclists
chrome has very little impact on buying choice.

Unless motivated solely by price, these are the criteria each rider uses to select
the vehicle of choice. 

To ignore these, as well as other criteria, would be insensitive. In other words,
no one motorcycle can fufill the requirements that a sport-bike rider and a cruiser
rider may have.(sometimes it's hard for *any* motorcycle to fufill a person's requirements)
  
You're fishing for flames, Dave.

This difference of opinion is analogous to the difference
between Sports-car owners, and luxury-car owners. 

This is a moot conversation.


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=> Motorola Cellular APD               |                                  <=
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104434
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike

In article <1qkhrm$7go@agate.berkeley.edu> manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
>
>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?
>
>I remember a thread on shipping.  If someone saved the instructions
>on bike prep, please post 'em again, or email.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Manish

Step 1) Join the AMA (American Motorcycling Association).  Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN.

Step 2) After you become a member, they will ship your bike, UNCRATED to 
just about anywhere across the fruited plain for a few hundred bucks.

I have used this service and have been continually pleased.  They usually
only take a few days for the whole thing, and you do not have to prepare
the bike in any way (other than draining the gas).  Not to mention that
it is about 25% of the normal shipping costs (by the time you crate a bike
and ship it with another company, you can pay around $1000)


________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn                     DoD#6425                      AMA#679817
                  '88CBR1000              '89CBR600
                       coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
________________________________________________________________________



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104435
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

In article <C5Joz9.HLn@cup.hp.com> Chris Steinbroner <hesh@cup.hp.com> writes:
>Wm. L. Ranck (ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu) wrote:
>: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
>: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
>: down a rathole.
>
>[...] i'm going to
>let my current membership lapse when it's
>up for renewal.
>
>-- hesh

In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any
hints on what will keep the organization in business that long.  (And
preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.)

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104436
From: jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?

In article <1993Apr8.202746.12159@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis
Jackson) wrote:
> 

> Good advice, of course. Thanks, Hesh. Time to go back for a Zen
> refresher course.
> 
> "Imagine you are a lily, gently floating in a still, darkened pool."

And some BDC in a Volvo comes careening off the freeway and lands on top of
you in said pool. You can't win.

jim

*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@apple.com        Jim Bob & Sons                 *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650         |    .signature remodling       *
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104437
From: jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu (Opso Lopso)
Subject: need help getting saddle bags!!  

hey... I'm pretty new to the wonderful world of motorcycles... I just
bought
a used 81 Kaw KZ650 CSR from a friend.... I was just wondering what kind of

saddle bags I could get for it (since I know nothing about them)  are there
bags for the gas tank?  how much would some cost, and how much do they
hold?
thanks for your advice!!!  I may be new to riding, but I love it
already!!!!
:)


-----
jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu
(DoD #55,555)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104438
From: montasmm@ntmtv.com (Medi Montaseri)
Subject: Saddle bags and helmets for sale...

I'm selling the following items...

	- a pair of hard saddle bags 
	- easy installation 
	- snap release feature with lock
	- black 
	- brand is Krusures

	- two oshi full face helmets

	take all for $275

These are comming off of my bike that I'm selling, maybe 
you could use the whole thing, bike and accessories.

	1983 Yamaha, vision 550 

	call Medi @ work (415) 940-2306
		    home (408) 744-1169

Thanks


-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------+
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104439
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets
From: dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales)

In article <211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>  
>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock 
> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...

CONGRAULATIONS !!!! Your helmet just passed the Snell Test.
 
>  So I cheerfully spent $.59 on a bottle of testor's model paint and 
> repainted the scratches and chips for 20 minutes.

Oh well, as least it looks ok now. Still, it may not save your head as well
as before you dropped it.

Mike

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104440
From: gunning@cco.caltech.edu (Kevin J. Gunning)
Subject: stolen CBR900RR

Stolen from Pasadena between 4:30 and 6:30 pm on 4/15.

Blue and white Honda CBR900RR california plate KG CBR.   Serial number
JH2SC281XPM100187, engine number 2101240.

No turn signals or mirrors, lights taped over for track riders session
at Willow Springs tomorrow.  Guess I'll miss it.  :-(((

Help me find my baby!!!

kjg


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104441
From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike


>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?

I'd recommend that you hop on the back of it and cruise - that's a
really nice ride, if you choose your route with any care at all.
Shouldn't cost more than about $30 in gas, and maybe a night's motel
bill...

			       _MelloN_
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104442
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:

>............. Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards
>of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days.

I think you have to go a little further back.
This opinion comes from riding CB750's GS1000's KZ1300's and a V-Max.
I find no enjoyment in riding a V-Max fast on a twisty road.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104443
From: Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

Can I resign BMW MOA and get the remainder of my 5-year membership refunded?


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104444
From: mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org> craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig)  
writes:
> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
> 
>  No anyone who is a "true" rider with the real riding
>  attitude will offer a wave, weather they are on a Harley
>  or on a Honda or some other bike, inless they have a
>  serious case of my bike is better than your and you're
>  too low to be acknowleged. This you'll find is the case
>  with most of the harley riders out here where I am,
>  however I still give them a wave, and ride secure in the
>  knowlege that I'm a better persob than they are.
                              ^^^^^^
                        perSOB, I kinda like that

Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley.
Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my
duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
other, from what I can tell.

--
Michael Manning
mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)

`92 FLSTF FatBoy
`92 Ducati 900SS


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104445
From: jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?

In article <1993Apr09.182821.28779@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan
E. Quist) wrote:
> 

> You could file a complaint for dangerous operation of a motor vehicle,
> and sign it.  Be willing to show up in court if it comes to it.

No... you can do this? Really? The other morning I went to do a lane change
on the freeway and looked in my mirror, theer was a car there, but far
enough behind. I looked again about 3-5 seconds later, car still in same
position, i.e. not accelerating. I triple check with a head turn and decide
I have plenty of room, so I do it, accelerating. I travel about 1/4 mile
staying ~200
feet off teh bumper of the car ahead, and I do a casual mirror check. This
guy is RIGHT on my tail, I mean you couldn't stick a hair between my tire &
his fender. I keep looking in the mirror at him a,d slowly let off teh
throttle. He stays there until I had lost about 15mph and then comes around
me and cuts me off big time. I follow him for about 10 miles and finally
get bored and turn back into work. 

I can file a complaint about this? And actually have the chance to have
something done? How? Who? Where?

jim

*   Jim Franklin * jamesf@apple.com        Jim Bob & Sons                 *
* 1987 Cagiva Alazzurra 650         |    .signature remodling       *
* 1969 Triumph 650 (slalom champ) |     Low price$ Quality workman-     * 
* DoD #469               KotP(un) |               ship       * 
                                        Call today for free estimit

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104446
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)

In article <1993Apr15.215428.11116@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.180644.25263@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
>>( Sure is alot harder to load on a trailer than the KDX200 was. )  I should
>>be road legal tomorrow.  I am ignoring the afforementioned concerns about 
>>the transmission and taking my chances.
>
>	There should be no worries about the trans.
>
>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
>>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
>
>	Does this count?

Yes.  He thought about it.
>
>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
>							 return...)
>
>Later,
>-- 
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
>Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
>agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104447
From: howard@netcom.com (Howard Berkey)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike

In article <MELLON.93Apr15183059@pepper.ncd.com> mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon) writes:
>
>>Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
>>to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?
>
>I'd recommend that you hop on the back of it and cruise - that's a
>really nice ride, if you choose your route with any care at all.
>Shouldn't cost more than about $30 in gas, and maybe a night's motel
>bill...
>

Yes!  Up the coast, over to Portland, then up I-5.  Really nice most
of the way, and I'm sure there's even better ways.

Watch the weather, though... I got about as good a drenching as
possible in the Oregon coast range once... 


-- 
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Howard Berkey 						   howard@netcom.com
				 Help!
... .. ...   ... .. ...   ... .. ...    ... .. ...   ... .. ...   ... .. ...

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104448
From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Stolen  AARGHHHH.....

"dam9543" == dam9543  <dam9543@ritvax.isc.rit.edu> writes:


dam9543> 	I get back drom work today, look at me bike before
dam9543> proceding in-side.  I nearly shit, my new DRY RIDER cover is
dam9543> gone!  Barely two weeks old, and already gone, GOD-AM

Somebody stole my trashed old Honda red/white/blue cover off a
KZ440LTD in residential Palo Alto a couple of weeks ago.  The cover
had *holes* burnt in it around the exhaust, etc etc.  I figured it was
just kids, but maybe not...

-- 
jet@netcom.com -- J. Eric Townsend -- '92 R100R, DoD# (hafta kill you...)
This is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov
"You got to put down the ducky if you wanna play saxophone."
Skate UNIX or die, boyo.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104449
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)

Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the 
the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
(I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)

Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM.
-- 
 Clayton T. Brooks       _,,-^`--.   From the heart          cbrooks@ms.uky.edu
 722 POT U o'Ky    .__,-'    *    \   of the blue           cbrooks@ukma.bitnet
 Lex. KY 40506   _/              ,/    grass and   {rutgers,uunet}!ukma!cbrooks
 606-257-6807   (__,-----------''   bourbon country    AMA NMA MAA AMS ACBL DoD

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104450
From: static@iat.holonet.net (Joe Ehrlich)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

Oh boy, a little K-bike versus /2 scuffling? Grow up! And that goes for
the both of you!

I do hope that the "dump dempster" campaign works however.
I think that he is a crook, and I am suprised that it has taken this long
for anything to be done (though obviously, it ain't over yet)
On the other hand, 
I'm not sure that I want to be in bed with ANY of the wackos running.
Throwing $20.oo down a rathole might be more effective than sending it in
to the club. You wouldn't get anything, but you don't get anything now.

The magazine you say? Ever since the MOA politburo installed Don it has
lacked any sort of panache it may have had. 

Ah, but what would I know? I own a /6 AND a K-bike


static
MOA 20297

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104451
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1993Apr15.200857.10631@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>
>So perhaps it is only *some* waterski bikes on which one countersteers...

A Sea Doo is a boat. It turns by changing the angle of the duct behind the
propeller. A waterski bike looks like a motorcycle but has a ski where each
wheel should be. Its handlebars are connected through a familiar looking
steering head to the front ski. It handles like a motorcycle.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104452
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Ed must be a Daemon Child!!

In article <bethdC5JuL2.L9@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.133413.1499@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>In article <bethdC5G0H6.I48@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>>Bzzzzt.  It was me.  Until I discovered my SR250 Touring Bike has a
>>>nifty little cache on it for things like coins or lipstick.  The
>>>new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>>>in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
>>
>>	Am I the only denizen who thinks that the Natural Look is the best
>>look?  The thought of kissing that waxy shit smeared all over a woman's lips
>>is a definite turn-off...
>So does clear lipstick/chapstick/etc. fit under the "natural look" or
>the "waxy shit" category?  I wear something on my lips to keep them from
>drying out.  Kissing dry, cracked, parched lips isn't too fun either.

	Agreed, but, yes, chapstick fits under the "waxy shit" category,
although I've noticed that stealing Annette's chapstick (after she's
applied it :-) kept my lips from cracking this past winter like they have
in all previous winters.  Sigh...the price I must pay...

>>	Not that I'll ever be kissing Beth or Noemi... ;-)
>Not if Tom has anything to say about it you won't!  Noemi speaks for
>herself.

	So does my darling Annette (okay, I guess you can ready the
barf bags now :-)

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104453
From: garym@cycle.mentorg.com (Gary Myron)
Subject: Re: Shipping a bike

> Can someone recommend how to ship a motorcycle from San Francisco
> to Seattle?  And how much might it cost?

I shipped my K75S from Portland Oregon to Daytona for this years
bike week (I rode it back!).  The company I used is The Federal Co's.
You can reach them at 1-800-747-4100 ex 214.  You either have to be
a AMA member, or maybe it is just a discount for AMA, not sure.
(Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN to become an AMA member)

The shipping cost is based on the number of miles.  It cost me about $500
for Portland to Orlando.  $80 of that was insurance.  All I had to do is
ride it to the shipping dock and siphon the gas out.  I think they can
also pick up the bike from any business.  The bike arrived on-time at
Orlando.  All I had to do was adjust the mirrors and add gas.  The bike
was in perfect shape!

--Gary



 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104454
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impac
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca

cooper@mprgate.mpr.ca (Greg Cooper) writes:

> In article <1qeftj$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - 
> >In article sda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturde
> >>
> >>	Only exceptional ones like me. Average ones like you can barely fart
> >>by themselves.
> >
> >Fuck you very much, Mike.
> >
> 
> Gentlemen _please_. 
> -- 


Greg's obviously confused. There aren't many (any) gentlemen on this 
newsgroup. Well, maybe. One or two.


Robert Smits Ladysmith BC  | If Lucas built weapons, wars
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca      | would never start, either.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104455
From: C70A000 <C70A@UNB.CA>
Subject: RE: Recommendation for a front tire.

In article <1qfkqhINN1s7@rodan.UU.NET> smm@rodan.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield) writes:
>Yes, my front tire is all but dead.  It has minimal tread left, so it's
>time for a new one.  Any recommendations on a good tire in front?  I'm
>riding on an almost brand new ME55A in back.

 Stick an ME33 on the front.  I've got a Laser on the front of my GPz,
and it has been a fantastic tire.  Best front tire I've ever had.

 +------------------------------------------------------------------+
 |      Graeme Weir   DoD #9191   Fido 1:255/14.4  C70A@UNB.CA      |
 |       University of New Brunswick, Fredericton, NB, Canada       |
 |             Damn the box jockeys!  FULL SPEED AHEAD!             |
 |                  Live to Flame -- Flame to Live                  |
 |      '84 GPz 1100, '76 KZ900, '76 KZ750, '91 Trek 8000 MTB       |
 +------------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104456
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: LONG TRIPS

In article <18859.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> mark.harrison@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Mark Harrison) writes:
>I am new to motorcycliing (i.e. Don't even have a bike yet) and will be
>going on a long trip from Edmonton to Vancouver. Any tips on bare
>essentials for the trip? Tools, clothing, emergency repairs...?

Er, without a bike (Ed, maybe you ought to respond to this...), how
you gonna get there?

If yer going by cage, what's this got to do with r.m?

>
>I am also in the market for a used cycle. Any tips on what to look for
>so I don't get burnt?
>
>Much appreciated
>Mark
>                                                                 

Maybe somebody oughta gang-tool-FAQ this guy, hmmm?



-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104457
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:

>Did I do the right thing?

Denmark, eh?  Should have taken a short sword and cleaved his car
in half.  Since I assume you didn't have a short sword on you,
I certainly have no problems with your choice of substitute action.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104458
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:

>Riding up the hill leading to my
>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
>the Spagthorpe Viking).

	I must have missed the article on the Spagthorpe Viking.  Was
that the one with the little illuminated Dragon's Head on the front
fender, a style later copied by Indian, and the round side covers?

[accident deleted]

>What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have
>prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not
>necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was
>riding around the speed limit.

	You can forget this line of reasoning.  When an animal
decides to take you, there's nothing you can do about it.  It has
something to do with their genetics.  I was putting along at a
mere 20mph or so, gravel road with few loose rocks on it (as in,
just like bad concrete), and 2200lbs of swinging beef jumped a
fence, came out of the ditch, and rammed me!  When I saw her jump
the fence I went for the gas, since she was about 20 feet ahead
of me but a good forty to the side.  Damn cow literally chased me
down and nailed me.  No damage to cow, a bent case guard and a
severely annoyed rider were the only casualties.  If I had my
shotgun I'd still be eating steak.  Nope, if 2200lbs of cow
can hit me when I'm actively evading, forget a much more
manueverable dog.  Just run them over.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104459
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Flashing anyone?

behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:

>>Just before arriving at a toll booth I
>>switch the hazards on.  I do thisto warn other motorists that I will
>>be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.
>>My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?

>	This sounds like a VERY good thing to do.

	I'll second that.  In addition, I find my hazards to be more
often used than my horn.  At speeds below 40mph on the interstates,
quite common in mountains with trucks, some states require flashers.
In rural areas, flashers let the guy behind you know there is a tractor
with a rather large implement behind it in the way.  Use them whenever 
you need to communicate that things will deviate from the norm.  

>-- 
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
>Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name

	Is that ZX-11 painted green?  Since the green Triumph 650 that
a friend owned was sold off, her name is now free for adoption.  How
does the name "Thunderpickle" grab you?

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104460
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:

>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .

	The V-max goes in a strait line like shit shrough a goose.
In the corners, I'd rather ride a Honda 305 Dream.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104461
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f

In article <txd.734810267@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
>>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:

[lots of things, none of which are quoted here]

>>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
>>>  You think your *average* dirt biker can jump
>>>a 3 foot log? 
>
>How about an 18" log that is suspended about 18" off of the ground?
>For that matter, how about a 4" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the
>ground?

Oh, ye of little imagination.

You don't jump over those - that's where you lay the bike down and slide under!
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104462
From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy)
Subject: Battery storage -- why not charge and store dry?

So it looks like I'm going to have to put a couple of bikes in storage
for a few months, starting several months from now, and I'm already
contemplating how to do it so they're as easy to get going again as
possible. I have everything under control, I think, besides the
batteries. I know that if I buy a $50.00 Battery Tender for each one
and leave them plugged in the whole time the bikes are in storage,
they'll be fine. But I'm not sure that's necessary. I've never heard
anyone discussing this idea, so maybe there's some reason why it isn't
so great. But maybe someone can tell me.

Would it be a mistake to fully charge the batteries, drain the
electrolyte into separate containers (one for each battery), seal the
container, close up the batteries, and leave them that way? Then it
would seem that when the bikes come out of storage, I could put the
electrolyte back in the batteries and they should still be fully
charged. What's wrong with this?

On a related, but different note for you Bay Area Denizens, wasn't
there someone who had a bunch of spare EDTA a few months back? Who was
it? Is there still any of it left?

Thanks for any and all help!

	-- Robert

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104463
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

In article <1993Apr14.215154.20143@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.144151.11137@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>>(Sorry, I lost the attributions.
>>|In most areas, drivers are required to show proof of financial 
>>|responsibility, which usually means insurance. 
>>
>>Required how?  When they get pulled over?  Most drivers, bellyaching on the
>>net aside, don't get pulled over and checked.  The laws are enforceable
>>only after the fact, in which case often somebody is out a lot of money.
>
>Don't you have any requirement for yearly plate stickers in the US???? In
>Ontario and Manitoba for sure and the other provinces (i think) you have
>to show proof of insurnace when you renew your plate (ie get a new sticker).

Yes.  Unfortunately, there is also the concept that the owner of a car
is not responsible for the actions of any (authorized) user of the car.
That's one of the biggest arguments against photo-radar ticketing
systems.

>You also get to pay all outstanding tickets. They even have cross province
>agreements (at least between Ontario and Quebec) so that unpaid tickets in
>the other province are on record. No having an up to date sticker is a) bad

Trouble with that is, you then have no recourse if a mis-issued ticket
or a clerical error on a computer follow you around.  The City of Chicago
(the informal motto of which being "The City the Works") issues dozens
of parking tickets each year to people who have never set foot (or tire)
in the city.

-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104464
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

Saw this in today's newspaper:
------------------------------------------------------------------------
FORTUNE-GUZZLER BARRED FROM BARS
--------------------------------
Barnstaple, England/Reuter

	A motorcyclist said to have drunk away a $290,000 insurance payment in
less than 10 years was banned Wednesday from every pub in England and Wales.

	David Roberts, 29, had been awarded the cash in compensation for
losing a leg in a motorcycle accident. He spent virtually all of it on cider, a
court in Barnstaple in southwest England was told.

	Judge Malcolm Coterill banned Roberts from all bars in England and
Wales for 12 months and put on two years' probation after he started a brawl in
a pub.

-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104465
From: robert@Xenon.Stanford.EDU (Robert Kennedy)
Subject: Solar battery chargers -- any good?

I've seen solar battery boosters, and they seem to come without any
guarantee. On the other hand, I've heard that some people use them
with success, although I have yet to communicate directly with such a
person. Have you tried one? What was your experience? How did you use
it (occasional charging, long-term leave-it-for-weeks, etc.)?

	-- Robert Kennedy

Robert Kennedy					(415) 723-4532 (office)
robert@cs.stanford.edu				(415) 322-7367 (home voice)
Computer Science Dept., Stanford University	(415) 322-7329 (home tty)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104466
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Please Gentlemen

In article <5036@cvbnetPrime.COM> tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
>In article <18843.1076.uupcb@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca> grant.barkwell@freddy.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca (Grant Barkwell) writes:
>>
>>CP>Too my certain knowledge, simply posessing a motorcycle
>>CP>can get you "laid".
>>
>>True! Oh so very thankfully true!
>
>Gentlemen;
>
>	Please do us all a rather appropriate favor and excuse the
>comments about your sexual fortunes on the net. It is hardly an

Tod, I think you've misspoke.  If they're banking on owning a motorcycle
to get them laid, then I doubt they have sexual fortunes.  Quite the
reverse...
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104467
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

In article <1993Apr15.071740.17850@hasler.ascom.ch> kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch writes:
>BA were trying to sell RR to BMW - even tested a BMW V16 in a Corniche!! I
>think it will remain British for the time being - until BA get hard up 
>anyway!

Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?

Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104468
From: tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die


 In article <1qc2fu$c1r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
 >Loud pipes are a biligerent exercise in ego projection,

No arguements following, just the facts.

I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my
*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention.

I instinctively revved my engine before I went for my horn. Don't know
why, but I did it and it worked. Thats rather important.

I am not saying "the louder the pipes the better". My Harley is loud
and it gets me noticed on the road for that reason. I personally do
not feel it is to loud. If you do, well thats to bad; welcome to 
America - "Home of the Free, Land of the Atlanta Braves".

If you really want a fine tuned machine like our federal government
to get involved and pass Db restrictions; it should be generous
enough so that a move like revving your engine will get you noticed.
Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
how long it would take me to push my horn button??

And aren't you the guy that doesn't even have a bike???

Tod J. Johnson
DoD #883
"Go Slow, Take Geritol"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104469
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Should liability insurance be required?

In article <1993Apr14.125209.21247@walter.bellcore.com> fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson) writes:
>Lets get this "No Fault" stuff straight, I lived in NJ
>when NF started, my rates went up, ALOT. Moved to PA
>and my rates went down ALOT, the NF came to PA and it
>was a different story. If you are sitting in a parking
>lot having lunch or whatever and someone wacks you guess
>whose insurance pays for it ? give up ?  YOURS.

Only if you have a weeny insurance company. Unless it's
some stupid PA law.  I know that if some jerk hits me while 
I'm in a parking lot, if my insruance company doesn't sue
his (or his doesn't immediately say, 'Yes, it's his fault')
I'll sure him myself and tell my insurance company to go to
hell if they raise my rates.



-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104470
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc

In article <1qjmf6$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
>>
>>Ultra sticky labels printed with your
>>favourite curse are good - even our local hospitals use them instead of
>>wheel clamps, putting one (about A5 size) on each window of the cage.
>
>An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."  A friend
>damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
>the sticker.  I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they
>were assuming by pulling that stunt.  She claimed it was the driver who
>was at fault for illegally parking in the first place.  That would
>probably be good for a laugh or two in court, before they found her
>liable for $Serious.
>
>Be careful about putting stickers on cages' windows.

Yeah, make darn sure you cover all the glass, so the driver can't
reasonably expect to be able to drive with the things on the car.


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104471
From: mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>Saw this in today's newspaper:
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>FORTUNE-GUZZLER BARRED FROM BARS
>--------------------------------
>Barnstaple, England/Reuter
>
>	A motorcyclist said to have drunk away a $290,000 insurance payment in
>less than 10 years was banned Wednesday from every pub in England and Wales.
>
>	David Roberts, 29, had been awarded the cash in compensation for
>losing a leg in a motorcycle accident. He spent virtually all of it on cider, a
>court in Barnstaple in southwest England was told.
>
>	Judge Malcolm Coterill banned Roberts from all bars in England and
>Wales for 12 months and put on two years' probation after he started a brawl in
>a pub.

	Is there no JUSTICE?!

	If I lost my leg when I was 19, and had to give up motorcycling
(assuming David didn't know that it can be done one-legged,) I too would want
to get swamped.... maybe even for ten years!  I'll admit, I'd probably prefer
homebrew to pubbrew, but still...

	Judge Coterill is in some serious trouble, I can tell you that.  Any
chance you can get to him and convince him his ruling was backward, Nick?

	Perhaps the lad deserved something for starting a brawl (bad form...
horribly bad form,) but for getting drunk?  That, I thought, was ones natural
born right!  And for spending his own money?  My goodness, who cares what one
does with one's own moolah, even if one spends it recklessly?

	I'm ashamed of humanity.

	Matt Block                  &         Koch
	DoD#      #007			1980 Honda CB650

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104472
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

In article <1993Apr15.065731.23557@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:

     [riveting BMWMOA election soap-opera details deleted]

>Well, there doesn't seem to be any shortage of alternative candidates.
>Obviously you're not voting for Mr. Vechorik, but what about the
>others?

I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.

Ride safe,
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
|        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II (Tem)       |
|                                                                          |
|               This bike is in excellent condition.                       |
|               I've done all the work on it myself.                       |
|                                                                          |
|                     -- Glen "CRASH" Stone                                |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104473
From: kirjy@strix.udac.uu.se (Jonathan Yuen)
Subject: Re: European M/C Insurance

I moved to Sweden and I have to take all the tests again (written and
road) even though I had a valid US license for 12 some years...
Of course I became a resident, and could drive on my US license until
I became resident.  Don't know about Italy, it's different in the EEC.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104474
From: rogerc@discovery.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier)
Subject: Re: Camping question?

In article 10823@bnr.ca,  npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:

>
>Back in my youth (ahem) the wiffy and moi purchased a gadget which heated up
>water from a 12V source.  It was for car use but we thought we'd try it on my
>RD350B.  It worked OK apart from one slight problem: we had to keep the revs 
>above 7000.  Any lower and the motor would die from lack of electron movement.

On my LC (RZ to any ex-colonists) I replaced the bolt at the bottom of the barrel
with a tap. When I wanted a coffee I could just rev the engine until boiling
and pour out a cup of hot water.
I used ethylene glycol as antifreeze rather than methanol as it tastes sweeter.

(-:

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104475
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?

In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Request for opinions:	
>
>Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?
>
>
>We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the 
>1-pc is better protection,..."	
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Nadine

I would be scared of trying to fit the one piece.  When I got my
two piece, I got the jacket in 42 and the pants in 40 (just due
to my manly-man of an athletic build, kind of thing)  No laughing,
please.  Seriously, I'm not trim and the 42 pants would have
been way too big.  Also, I don't think the 1 piece does provide
better protection.  If I'm wrong, I'll be swiftly if ever so gently
correct by the net.pansies.of.knowledge (as they like to call themselves).

Regards
Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104476
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:

>mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>mjs>Also, IMHO, telling newbies about countersteering is, er, counter-productive
>mjs>cos it just confuses them. I rode around quite happily for 10 years 
>mjs>knowing nothing about countersteering. I cannot say I ride any differently
>mjs>now that I know about it.

>I interpret this to mean that you're representative of every other
>motorcyclist in the world, eh Mike?  Rather presumptive of you!

IMHO = in my humble opinion!!

>leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
>leavitt>The time to learn countersteering techniques is when you are first
>leavitt>starting to learn, before you develop any bad habits.  I rode for
>leavitt>five years before taking my first course (MSF ERC) and learning
>leavitt>about how to countersteer.  It's now eight years later, and I *still*
>leavitt>have to consciously tell myself "Don't steer, COUNTERsteer!"  Old
>leavitt>habits die hard, and bad habits even harder.

>mjs>Sorry Bill, but this is complete bollocks. You learned how to countersteer 
>mjs>the first time you rode the bike, it's natural and intuitive. 

>Sorry Mike, I'm not going to kick over the "can you _not_ countersteer
>over 5mph?" stone.  That one's been kicked around enough.  For the sake of
>argument, I'll concede that it's countersteering (sake of argument only).

>mjs>MSF did not teach you *how* to countersteer, it only told you what
>mjs>you were already doing.

>And there's no value in that? 


I didn't say there was no value - all I said was that it is very confusing
to newbies. 

> There's a BIG difference in: 1) knowing
>what's happening and how to make it do it, especially in the extreme
>case of an emergency swerve, and: 2) just letting the bike do whatever
>it does to make itself turn.  Once I knew precisely what was happening
>and how to make it do it abruptly and on command, my emergency avoidance
>abilities improved tenfold, not to mention a big improvement in my normal
>cornering ability.  I am much more proficient "knowing" how to countersteer
>the motorcycle rather than letting the motorcycle steer itself.  That is,
>when I *remember* to take cognitive command of the bike rather than letting
>it run itself through the corners.  Whereupon I return to my original
>comment - better to learn what's happening right from the start and how
>to take charge of it, rather than developing the bad habit of merely going
>along for the ride.

Bill, you are kidding yourself here. Firstly, motorcycles do not steer
themselves - only the rider can do that. Secondly, it is the adhesion of the
tyre on the road, the suspension geometry  and the ground clearance of the
 motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and
not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously
suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster
or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise??


>Mike, I'm extremely gratified for you that you have such a natural
>affinity and prowess for motorcycling that formal training was a total
>waste of time for you (assuming your total "training" hasn't come from
>simply from reading rec.motorcycles).  However, 90%+ of the motorcyclists
>I've discussed formal rider education with have regarded the experience
>as overwhelmingly positive.  This regardless of the amount of experience
>they brought into the course (ranging from 10 minutes to 10+ years).

Formal training in this country (as far as I am aware) does not include
countersteering theory.  I found out about countersteering about six years ago,
from a physics lecturer who was also a motorcyclist. I didn't believe him
at first when he said I steered my bike to the right to make it turn left,
but I went out and analysed closely what I was doing, and realized he was 
right! It's an interesting bit of knowledge, and I've had a lot of fun since
then telling others about it, who were at first as sceptical as I was. But
that's all it is - an interesting bit of knowledge, and to claim that
it is essential for all bikers to know it, or that you can corner faster
or better as a result, is absurd.

Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to
be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering
theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.
And that was my original point.

Mike

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104477
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

>Norman Hamer (maven@eskimo.com) wrote:
> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling?  A couple of hours
> after you "feel" sober, or what?  Should I just work with "If I drink 
> tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow"?

I generally find that after two or three decent hits of nitrous, my riding
improves enormously.  Drinking is silly, your breath smells, it costs lots
of money and the pigs can detect it with their machines.  NO2 works for me,
try it.


Nick (the like wow, um, far out, er, Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise um errr....

M'like um, er Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `  .` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	      . 
   _ _	     . 	_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104478
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Where's The Oil on my K75 Going?

In article <C5DLvo.6J@skates.gsfc.nasa.gov> tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes:
>
>  After both oil changes, the oil level was at the top mark in the
>window on the lower right side of the motor, but I've been noticing
>that the oil level seen in the window gradually decreases over the
>miles.  I'm always checking the window with the bike on level ground
>and after it has sat idle for awhile, so the oil has a chance to drain
>back into the pan.  The bike isn't leaking oil any place, and I don't
>see any smoke coming out of the exhaust.
>
>  My owner's manual says the amount of oil corresponding to the
>high and low marks in the oil level window is approx. .5 quart.  It
>looks like my bike has been using about .25 quarts/1000 miles.  The
>owner's manual also gives a figure for max. oil consumption of about
>.08oz/mile or .15L/100km.
>
>  My question is whether the degree of "oil consumption" I'm seeing on
>my bike is normal?  Have any other K75 owners seen their oil level
>gradually and consistently go down?  Should I take the bike in for
>work?  I'm asking local guys also, to get as many data points as I
>can.  


It's normal for the BMW K bikes to use a little oil in the first few thousand 
miles.  I don't know why.  I've had three new K bikes, and all three used a
bit of oil when new - max maybe .4 quart in first 1000 miles; this soon quits
and by the time I had 10,000 miles on them the oil consumption was about zero.
I've been told that the harder you run the bike (within reason) the sooner
it stops using any oil.


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  KotdohL  KotWitDoDL  1KSPI=22.85
  DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
              BMW K1100-LT,  R80-GS/PD,  R27,  Triumph TR6 
                          Columbus, Ohio USA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104479
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Internet Discussion List

In article <1qc5f0$3ad@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> bparker@uafhp..uark.edu (Brian Parker) writes:
>  Hello world of Motorcyles lovers/soon-to-be-lovers!
>I have started a discussion list on the internet for people interested in
>talking Bikes!  We discuss anything and everything.  If you are interested in
>joining, drop me a line.  Since it really isn't a 'list', what we do is if you 
>have a post, you send it to me and I distribute it to everyone.  C'mon...join
>and enjoy!

Huh?    Did this guy just invent wreck.motorcycles?

	Curious minds want to know.


Charlie Smith   charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org  KotdohL  KotWitDoDL  1KSPI=22.85
  DoD #0709   doh #0000000004  &  AMA, MOA, RA, Buckey Beemers, BK Ohio V
              BMW K1100-LT,  R80-GS/PD,  R27,  Triumph TR6 
                          Columbus, Ohio USA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104480
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Internet Discussion List

In article <1qc5f0$3ad@moe.ksu.ksu.edu> bparker@uafhp..uark.edu (Brian Parker) writes:
>  Hello world of Motorcyles lovers/soon-to-be-lovers!
>I have started a discussion list on the internet for people interested in
>talking Bikes!  We discuss anything and everything.  If you are interested in
>joining, drop me a line.  Since it really isn't a 'list', what we do is if you 
>have a post, you send it to me and I distribute it to everyone.  C'mon...join
>and enjoy!


On second thought, maybe he didn't invent wreck.moto - 

	he's trying a round about way to figure out the DoD theme song.

One FAQ, coming right up!


   Charlie Smith,  DoD #0709,  doh #0000000004,  1KSPT=22.85

o--------------------------------------------------------------o
  There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
    followed by the words "Daddy!  Why am I locked outside?"
o--------------------------------------------------------------o

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104481
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts

In article <1993Apr12.042749.2557@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>In article <1993Apr12.022233.17927@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>>In article <C5CKp9.C5D@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cs225a82@dcl-nxt19.cso.uiuc.edu (cs225 student) writes:
>>>
>>>I have a quick question.  I recently got a bike and drive it often, but my  
>>>one problem is the wind messing with my contacts.  I have gas permeable  

>>How about a full face helmet with the face sheild down.  Works for me.
>
>	Actually, this doesn't always work for me either. I have wind that
>	blows around inside my RF200 some, and it'll dry my eyes out / get dust
>	in them eventually unless I'm also wearing sunglasses inside my
>	helmet.

I too, usually wear sunglasses inside my full face helmet to keep dirt & wind
out of my contacts.  Mumble, mumble, mumble ...


Charlie Smith,  DoD #0709,  doh #0000000004,  1KSPT=22.85


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104482
From: charlie@elektro.cmhnet.org (Charlie Smith)
Subject: Re: looking for a maintenance manual for Honda CB 360

In article <1993Apr12.132410.19470@wam.umd.edu> buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling) writes:
>If anyone thinks that touring on a CB 360 is pushing the envelope, try
>a 175 twin.  My local Honda dealer says that my 1969 Honda Dream 175
>was commonly referred to as a "serious touring bike" when it first
>came out?!?!?!  (maybe there IS something in the water around here).


What's the problem here?  Back in 1958 I rode a Puch 175 from Paris to
Barcelona and back.  That was a two stroke, and back then it was representative
of the size of bikes on the road.  A 350 was considered a big bike, and the
superbikes of the day were 500cc or 600cc.  Anything bigger was real rare.


Charlie Smith,  DoD #0709,  doh #0000000004,  1KSPT=22.85

	Nothing in the water!
	Mais, voulez vous un peu du melange ?



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104483
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!!  Cages double-parking motorcycles pisses me off!

Evelyn Wells, on the 12 Apr 1993 11:43 CST wibbled:
: Once again, this morning I pulled up to the designated motorcycle
: parking area, only to find a cage pulled up behind the bikes. 
: If people don't double-park cars, why do they do it to motorcycles?
: Never mind that rhetorical question, I know *why* they do it.

: What I want to know is, what can I do about it?  Carry pieces of
: paper that say "Don't park your car in the motorcycle area!!" ?
: Call the cops?  Wait until they emerge from the building and berate
: them until they beg forgiveness?  

: Does anyone else have this problem, and what do you do about it?

: Evie

I don't know if you have a local branch where you are, but the preferred method
over here is to 'phone the IRA and tell them about the car and that it 
belongs to an MP who is on a Northern Ireland Government Committee.  An hour
or so later, and the car is no longer a problem.  It's best not to park too 
close to it, though.
--

Nick (the Vengeful Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Plastic

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104484
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impacts f

Jonathan E. Quist, on the Thu, 15 Apr 1993 14:26:42 GMT wibbled:
: In article <txd.734810267@Able.MKT.3Com.Com> txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
: >>In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:

: [lots of things, none of which are quoted here]

: >>>In article rgu@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:
: >>>  You think your *average* dirt biker can jump
: >>>a 3 foot log? 
: >
: >How about an 18" log that is suspended about 18" off of the ground?
: >For that matter, how about a 4" log that is suspended 2.5' off of the
: >ground?

: Oh, ye of little imagination.

:You don't jump over those -that's where you lay the bike down and slide under!
: -- 
: Jonathan E. Quist

The nice thing about horses though, is that if they break down in the middle of
nowhere, you can eat them.  Fuel's a bit cheaper, too.
--

Nick (the 90 HP Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Giddy-Up!

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104485
From: bloom@inland.com
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering

In article <1993Apr15.001813.3907@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au>, exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:
> Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !
> 
> 
> The stud on the side of the bike that clunked when I turned was absent.  I'm
> fairly sure it was there before the event.  In fact, the thread in
> the hole in the footpeg was perfectly intact, with no evidence of something
> having been forcefully ripped out of it only moments previously.  
> 
> Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ?  How can you
> rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without
> damaging the thread in the hole ?  

You can't knock a threaded stud out from its hole without destroying 
the threads.  Also part of the stud would still be in the hole. 
Therefore the stud was *not* in the hole before you touched something 
down on that side of the bike.
....Dr. Doom 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104486
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>In article 735207403@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>>

>1.  All of us that argue about gyroscopes, etc., throughly understand
>the technique of countersteering.

Including all the ones who think that they countersteer all the way
through a corner??

>The underlying physics are a
>different matter, and need not be taught to beginners. 

Agreed!

>Countersteering
>(the technique), should be taught, for only with understanding of the
>technique can one develop maximally effective emergency avoidance
>manuvers.

This is really the only thing we disagree on. Maybe we should agree to
disagree?? I still think  that telling newbies to steer left to turn
to the right is unnecessarily confusing, when they'll do it anyway if they
just get on the bike and ride the damn thing.


>2. *I* know exactly what's happening.  It's those *other* gits that
>haven't a clue!  :^)


Me too!!

:-)


>>Understanding the physics of traction is fine - but I cannot see how
>>detailed theory like that has any place in a motorcyle training course.
>>All you need to know is that maximum traction is obtained with the tyre
>>*just* beginning to slide against the road.

>Then we are in violent disagreement.  While what you state is true, it
>is insufficient to form a traction management policy.  Available
>traction increases with applied normal force, ie, traction available to
>the front wheel increases as weight shifts under braking forces, and
>correspondingly decreases at the rear.  Thus, a *technique* of applying
>both brakes, and easing off the rear and increasing pressure on the
>front, can best be learned with an understanding of weight shift and
>available traction.

Jeez, Ed, when you started talking about traction management policies I
thought you were making some weird reference to looking after railway
locomotives...

The official line here (though I do have my doubts about it) is that the
front brake is applied first, followed by the rear brake, the idea being
that you avoid locking up the rear after weight transfer takes place. In
practice I suspect most people do what you describe.

>Saying, "brake until the tire just begins to slide" is next to useless
>advice to a newbie.  He has to go out and slide the tire to find out
>where that is!  It also gives him zero information from which to
>develop a braking technique that changes as the braking and
>corresponding weight shift develop.

If you don't slide the tyre, you have no way of knowing whether you've
achieved maximum braking or not. I'm not suggesting that you should always
aim to brake as hard as you possibly can - but if you want to find the
limits of the machine, you have to go beyond them. 

In any case, for maximum braking, if (as I suggested) you aim to keep
both wheels just on the point of sliding, then you'll be doing
exactly as *you* suggest!!





Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104487
From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
>2)  What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance?  I turn 18 in 
>about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up
>till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a 
>motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes
>a difference)

It depends on the bike. Once you've found a bike you're interested in, call
some insurance companies for rates. Some bikes are much cheaper to insure than
you might think (my EX-500 only costs me $127/year in St. Louis; I'm 27)
>
>3)  Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it?

For a first bike, I recommend 500cc's or less. And a bike short enough to get
both feet on the ground when you stop.
 
The one piece of advice EVERYONE will give you is to take a Motorcycle Safety
Foundation Rider's Course. See a dealer for details. In some states, completion
of such a course can give you a break on insurance. It will also teach you
to ride properly from the beginning, so you won't learn any bad habits.

Good luck. Riding a motorcycle is the most fun you can have, naked or otherwise.

Alan


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104488
From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: Re: Insurance discount

Erik Asphaug x2773 (asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu) wrote:
: Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount.  They
: do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of 

Progressive offers multi-vehicle discounts.
Good prices too IMHO.

tony
--
Tony Jones (ant@cray.com, ..!uunet!cray!ant)
CMCS Codegeneration Group, Software Division
Cray Research Inc, 655F Lone Oak Drive, Eagan, MN 55121

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104489
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Re: First Bike??

In article <0forqFa00iUzMATnMz@andrew.cmu.edu>, James Leo Belliveau <jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>     I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to
> put it bluntly, it sucks.  I really would like some advice on what would

Oh! For a second I thought this was a posting by Ed Green!
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104490
From: gruncie@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gillian E Runcie CS92)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

that's okay, he's perfectly welcome to come to Scotland you know ;-)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104491
From: blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

Gregory Humphreys (gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov) wrote:



Greg,

I'm very new to motorcycles. Haven't even bought one yet. I was in the same
position about you. How do you learn if you've never ridden.

I took a class put on by a group called the Motorcycle Safety Foundation
in California. They might have something similar in Washington.

Try calling a motorcycle dealer in your area and asking. It's a good first 
start on how to ride a motorcycle correctly.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104492
Subject: Re: Traffic morons
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>,
ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote:
> 
> NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
> NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
> 
> NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
> NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
> NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
> NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
> NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
> 
> NMM>Did I do the right thing?

	imho, you did the wrong thing.  You could have been shot
 or he could have run over your bike or just beat the shit
 out of you.  Consider that the person is foolish enough
 to drive like a fool and may very well _act_ like one, too.

 Just get the heck away from the idiot.

 IF the driver does something clearly illegal, you _can_
 file a citizens arrest and drag that person into court.
 It's a hassle for you but a major hassle for the perp.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104493
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points... 

In article <1993Apr19.211340.12407@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com writes:

>I am very glad to know that none of you judgemental little shits has

Hey Pal!  Who're you calling litte?


Tony

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|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104494
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:
>  Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

	Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front.
 See, it just HOPS into the air!  Figure.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104495
From: ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu (Allan Hatcher)
Subject: Re: Traffic morons

In article <Stafford-200493102833@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org>,
>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote:
>> 
>> NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
>> NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
>> 
>> NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>> NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>> NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>> NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>> NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>> 
>> NMM>Did I do the right thing?
>
>	imho, you did the wrong thing.  You could have been shot
> or he could have run over your bike or just beat the shit
> out of you.  Consider that the person is foolish enough
> to drive like a fool and may very well _act_ like one, too.
>
> Just get the heck away from the idiot.
>
> IF the driver does something clearly illegal, you _can_
> file a citizens arrest and drag that person into court.
> It's a hassle for you but a major hassle for the perp.
>
>====================================================
>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony.
.
  


>
>                    All standard disclaimers apply.



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104496
From: mikej@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Mike Johnson)
Subject: Re: Paris-Dakar BMW touring???


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104497
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies


In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:

Mike Terry asks:

>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
>
No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
off the ground.
-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104498
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: First Bike?? and Wheelies


In a previous article, jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu (James Leo Belliveau) says:

> Anyone, 
>
>    I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to
>put it bluntly, it sucks.  I really would like some advice on what would
>be a good starter bike for me.  I do know one thing however, I need to
>make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is
>out of the question.  I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR
>600 F2, GSX-R 750).  I know that this may sound kind of crazy
>considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a
>fast learner, and in love.  Please give me any advice that you think
>would help me in my search, including places to look or even specific
>bikes that you want to sell me.
>
>    Thanks  :-)

The answer is obvious: ZX-11 D.
-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104499
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

No, it's not possible to countersteer either.

(for the humor impared :{P PPhhhhhtttttt!)

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104500
From: maxg@microsoft.com (Max Gilpin)
Subject: HONDA CBR600 For Sale

For Sale 1988 Honda CBR600 (Hurricane).  I bought the bike at the end of
last summer and although I love it, the bills are forcing me to part with
it.  The bike has a little more than 6000 miles on it and runs very strong.
It is in nead of a tune-up and possibly break pads but the rubber is good.
I am also tossing in a TankBag and a KIWI Helmet.  Asking $3000.00 or best
offer.  Add hits newspaper 04-20-93 and Micronews 04-23-93.  Interested 
parties can call 206-635-2006 during the day and 889-1510 in the evenings
no later than 11:00PM.  

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104501
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Traffic morons

In <10326.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:

>NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
>NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks

>I've found that an effective strategy is to flash my brake light by
>pumping the pedal. You will, obviously need a bit of free play in your
>brake pedal to do this. It seems that even the most brain dead idiot can
>usually discern that a flashing red light directly in front of
>him/her/it may mean that something is wrong.


  I see one thing wrong with your strategy.
The boy who cried wolf.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       







Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104502
From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>


In article <1993Apr20.045032.9199@research.nj.nec.com> Chris BeHanna,
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.204159.17534@bnr.ca> Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
writes:
>>Reminds me of a great editorial by Bruce Reeve a couple months ago
>>in Cycle Canada.
>>
>>He was so pissed off with cops pulling over speeders in dangerous
>>spots (and often blind corners) that one day he decided to get
>>revenge.
>>
>>Cruising on a factory loaner ZZR1100 test bike, he noticed a cop 
>>had pulled over a motorist on an on or off ramp with almost no
>>shoulder.  Being a bright lad, he hit his bike's kill switch
>>just before passing the cop, who happened to be bending towards
>>the offending motorist there-by exposing his glutes to the
>>passing world.
>>
>>With his ignition system now dead, he pumped his throtle two
>>or three times to fill his exhaust canister's with volatile raw fuel.
>>
>>All it took was a stab at the kill switch to re-light the ignition
>>and send a 10' flame in Sargeant Swell's direction.
>>
>>I wonder if any cycle cops read Cycle Canada?
>
>	Although I agree with the spirit of the action, I do hope that
>the rider ponied up the $800 or so it takes to replace the exhaust system
>he just destroyed.  The owner's manual explicitly warns against such
>behavior for exactly that reason:  you can destroy your muflers that way.
>
>Later,
>-- 
>Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
>behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
>Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
>agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Ya, Fat Chance.  The "offending" rider was a moto journalist.  Those
guys can sell hundreds of bikes with one stroke of the pen and
as such get away with murder when it comes to test bikes.

One way or the other, it was probably worth the early expiration of 
one mufler to see a bone head get his butt baked.

Dave D.F.
"It's true they say that money talks.  When mine spoke it said
'Buy me a Drink!'."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104503
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: How to buy a first bike, etc.

There have been a *lot* of posts lately about "I wanna buy my first bike - is a
GSXR/ZX/CBR/FZR a good bike to learn on?" etc.

I think I'm going to put together a FAQ on buying a new bike. Ravi used to post
one all the time.
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104506
From: grw@HQ.Ileaf.COM (Gary Wasserman)
Subject: Stuff For Sale is GONE!!!


Thanks to all who responded.   The three items (electric vest,
Aerostitch Suit, and Scarf) are all spoken for.

-Gary

-- 
Gary Wasserman      "A completely irrational attraction to BMW bikes"
Interleaf, Inc.      Prospect Place, 9 Hillside Ave, Waltham, MA 02154
grw@ileaf.com        617-290-4990x3423 FAX 617-290-4970       DoD#0216

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104507
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
}1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have 
}to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too 
}ignorant to know I need to buy)

The following numbers are approximate, and will no doubt get me flamed:

Helmet (new, but cheap)					$100
Jacket (used or very cheap)				$100
Gloves (nothing special)				$ 20
Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!)	$140

That leaves you between $900 and $1000 (depending on the accuracy
of my numbers) to buy a used bike, get it registered, get it
insured, and get it running properly. I'd say you're cutting
it close. Perhaps if your parents are reasonable, and you indicated
your wish to learn to ride safely, you could get them to pick up
the cost of the MSF course and some of the safety gear. Early
holiday presents or whatever. Those are one-time (well, long-term
anyway) investments, and you could spend your money on the actual
bike, insurance, registration, and maintenance.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104508
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

In article <C5qtvL.M73@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Knicker Twister) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca>
>npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
>
>> With regards to the pub brawl, he might have a history of such things.
>> Just because he was a biker doesn't make him out to be a reasonable
>> person.  Even the DoD might object to him joining, who knows?

If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the
article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he
got his drinking money from?

I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is
looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out
of hand or of shoddy journalism.

If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they
should put the money in trust.  They don't, so I would assume it's
perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that
way myself.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104509
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

David Karr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 01:01:01 GMT wibbled:
: In article <C5qtvL.M73@dartvax.dartmouth.edu> Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (Knicker Twister) writes:
: >In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca>
: >npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
: >
: >> With regards to the pub brawl, he might have a history of such things.
: >> Just because he was a biker doesn't make him out to be a reasonable
: >> person.  Even the DoD might object to him joining, who knows?

: If he had a history of such things, why was it not mentioned in the
: article, and why did they present the irrelevant detail of where he
: got his drinking money from?

: I can't say exactly who is at fault here, but from where I sit is
: looks like we're seeing the results either of the law going way out
: of hand or of shoddy journalism.

: If the law wants to attach strings to how you spend a settlement, they
: should put the money in trust.  They don't, so I would assume it's
: perfectly legitimate to drink it away, though I wouldn't spend it that
: way myself.

: -- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)

We heard about this from a newspaper article.  Journalists and editors
always pick out the most interesting and sensational "facts" for our
delectation.  As the editor of the Sun once said: "We never let the
facts get in the way of a good story".  You must have noticed how
motorcyclists get treated by the press.  They thrive on hysteria,
ignorance, sensationalism and one-upmanship.  Unfortunately there's
not enough salt to keep taking a pinch of.

--

Nick (the Cynical Old Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Leaky New Gearbox

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
                                   (-)
"Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for you.  It's time to get up

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104510
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: So That's Where the Oil in my K75 Went

tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes:
]Just wanted to say "Thanks" to everyone who sent me e-mail or
]posted a reply to my question on the oil consumption in my K75S

so what did _you_ decide?

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List                          fest@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104511
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: The best of times, the worst of times

(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times)

A few times a year, a funny thing happens: the bike engine runs
perfectly.  Completely smooth.  Not that it runs poorly normally, but
on these days, it is exceptional.  My theory is that the air density
and moisture content of the air are such that I get complete
combustion.  Needless to say, it puts me in a great mood.

The mood lasted for about 20 miles.  Heading north on the 405
freeway, about a mile or two south of the 10, my throttle stopped
responding.... and I was between lanes.  Nothing to do but make 
my way over 4 lanes to the shoulder... initially by gliding, then
by pushing.  At least traffic was heavy enough so that cars did
not mind stopping for me.

Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 
carb.  I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
on the screws inside of a carb.  At least it was roadside
fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104512
From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG (vidaros@dhhalden.no) wrote:
& Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models 
& really mean. 
& Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L 
& and P in Suzuki VS750GLP

Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
"CB" is a street bike with an parallel twin or inline 4-cylinder engine.
"R" used to mean race bike, but is now also used to mean sport bike.
"CL" was for the old steet scramblers-street bikes with high pipes
"CM" was a "custom" street bike
"CR" is dirt only two strokes
"XL" is dual purpose bike
"XR" was dirt only four stroke, but now can be a dual purpose bike if it has
an "L" as a suffix.
"GL" is a touring bike

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104513
From: klf@druwa.ATT.COM (FranklinKL)
Subject: Re: Hell-mets.

In article <1993Apr18.035125.29930@freenet.carleton.ca>, aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr) writes:
> 
> In a previous article, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) says:
> 
> >
> > 
> > If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better 
> >to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit 
> >as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a 
> >LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might 
> >have some minor damage?
> 
> == Wear the RF200.  Even after a few drops & paint chips, it is FAR better
> than no helmet or a poorly fitting one.  I've had many scratches & bangs
> which have been repaired plus I'm still confident of the protection the
> helmet will continue to give me.  Only when you actually see depressions
                                    
> or actual cracks (using a magnifying glass) should you consider replacement.

> -- 

This is not good advice.  A couple of years I was involved in a low-speed
getoff in which I landed on my back on the pavement.  My head (helmeted)
hit the pavement with a "clunk", leaving a couple of dings and chips in the
paint at the point of impact, but no other visible damage.  I called the
helmet manufacturer and inquired about damage.  They said that the way a
fiberglass shell works is to first give, then delaminate, then crack.
This is the way fiberglass serves to spread the force of the impact over a
wider area.  After the fiberglass has done its thing, the crushable foam
liner takes care of absorbing (hopefully) the remaining impact force.
They told me that the second stage of fiberglass functionality (delamination
of the glass/resin layers) can occur with NO visible signs, either inside or
outside of the helmet.  They suggested that I send them the helmet and they
would inspect it (including X-raying).  I did so.  They sent back the helmet
with a letter stating that that they could find no damage that would
compromise the ability of the helmet to provide maximum protection.
(I suspect that this letter would eliminate their being able to claim
prior damage to the helmet in the event I were to sue them.)

The bottom line, though, is that it appears that a helmets integrity
can be compromised with no visible signs.  The only way to know for sure
is to send it back and have it inspected.  Note that some helmet
manufacturers provide inspections services and some do not.  Another point
to consider when purchasing a lid.

--
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AMA     	And some say it's better but I say it ain't
GWRRA           I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104514
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <1993Apr20.010734.18225@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:

>In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>|In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>|>       What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
>|>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?
>|
>|Driving While Intoxicated.

>  Actually, I beleive "DWI" normally means "Driving While Impaired" rather
>than "Intoxicated", at least it does in the states I've lived in...

>|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her 
>|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!

>  One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs,
>not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc...  I'm
>surprised this got her off the hook...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
>to liquor?

Lets just say it is DUI here now!

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104515
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: header paint

it seems the 200 miles of trailering in the rain has rusted my bike's headers.
the metal underneath is solid, but i need to sand off the rust coating and
repaint the pipes black.  any recommendations for paint and application
of said paint?

thanks!

axel

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104516
From: drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Re: RGV and posing!!

In article 25444@dsd.es.com, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <speedy.153@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>>In article <2553@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au> amydlak@spam.maths.adelaide.edu.au (Adam Mydlak) writes:
>
>>>[Squid deleted]
>
>> 5.  Helment laws vary from state to state.  In my state (Louisiana) it is 
>>the law.  I personaly, would not go 2 feet on a bike without one law or no 
>>law.  A helment will save your life.
>
>I'll go 2 feet, but I draw the line at 3. 

I'll see your 3 and raise you 4.

Doug Rinckes   drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp   New Zealand TSSC Ltd
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104517
From: vidaros@dhhalden.no (VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG)
Subject: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models 
really mean. 
Example: What means the C, the B and the R in Honda CBR. - Or the V, S, G, L 
and P in Suzuki VS750GLP

I wanna distribute this in our club magazine. I want lists of all types, but 
I already knows about Harley.

Thanks in advance!

	Vidar
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104518
From: schultz@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (David Schultz)
Subject: Re: Honda CB400F For Sale

I wanted to let people know that this motorcycle has been sold.

Thanks for your inquiries.

--Dave Schultz

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104519
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

Several years ago, while driving a cage, a dog darted out at a quiet
intersection right in front of me but there was enough distance
between us so I didn't have to slow down. However, a 2nd dog
suddenly appeared and collided with my right front bumper and
the force of the impact was enough to kill that Scottish Terrier.

Apparently, it was following the 1st dog. Henceforth, if a dog
decides to cross the street, keep an eye out for a 2nd dog as
many dogs like to travel in pairs or packs. 

I've yet to experience a dog chasing me on my black GL1200I which
has a pretty loud OEM horn (not as good as Fiamms, but good enuff)
but the bike is large and heavy enough to run right over one of
the smaller nippers while the larger ones would have trouble
getting my leg between the saddlebags and engine guards. I'd
def feel more vulnerable on my '68 Trump as that'd be easier
leg chewing target for those mongrels.

If there's a persistent dog running after bikers despite
complaints to the owner I wouldn't be adverse to running
over it with my truck as a dogs life isn't worth much IMHO
compared to a child riding a bike who gets knocked to the
ground by said dog and dies from a head injury. 

Any dog in the neighborhood that's vicious or a public menace
running about unleashed is fair game as road kill candidate.

Graeme Harrison
(gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104520
From: bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean)
Subject: Help!  Which bikes are short?

Help!  I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle.  This is great!
Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat.  This is not great.  So far,
the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440.

So, it's time to tap the collective memory of all the denizens out there.
Anybody know of models (old models and used bikes are not a problem)
with a 28" or lower seat?  And, since she has to make this difficult ( 8-) ),
she would prefer not to end up with a cruiser.  So there's bonus points
for listing tiny standards.

I seem to remember a thread with a point similar to this passing through
several months ago.  Did anybody keep that list?

Thanks!

--
Gregory Bean                                                           DoD #580
bean@ncar.ucar.edu         "In fact, everything's got that big reverb sound..."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104521
From: tafi3@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Ian Deeley)
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>

From article <C5quw0.Btq@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, by mikeh@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Hollyman):
> Hi, I have an 82 CB750 Custom that I just replaced the cylinder head gasket
> on.  Now when I put it back together again, it wouldn't idle at all.  It was
> only running on 2-3 cylinders and it would backfire and spit flames out the
> exhaust on the right side.  The exhaust is 4-2 MAC.  I bought new plugs
> today and it runs very rough and still won't idle.  I am quite sure the fine
> tune knobs on the carbs are messed up.  I checked the timing, it was fine, so
> I advanced it a little and that didn't help.  
> 
> I assume the carbs need to be synched.  Can I buy a kit and do this myself?
> If so, what kit is the best for the price.
> 
> Any other suggestions?
> 
	I dont think its the carbs that are out, I would suspect that
the cam timing is out, & as you say that you had the head off, that
would make sense to me,
				Ian.

	Just my 0.02 emu's worth.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104522
From: mmaser@engr.UVic.CA (Michael  Maser)
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering

--In a previous article, exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au () says:
--
-->Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !
-->
-->Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there
-->was a slight difference-  a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension
-->to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very
-->tangible "thunk".  I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. 
--== some deleted
-->
-->Barry Manor DoD# 620 confused accidental peg-scraper
-->
-->
--Check the bottom of your pipes Barry -- suspect that is what may
--have hit.  I did the same a few years past & thought it was the
--peg but found the bottom of my pipe has made contact & showed a
--good sized dent & scratch.

-- Believe you'd feel the suddent change on your foot if the peg
--had bumped.  As for the piece missing -- contribute that to 
--vibration loss.

Yep, the same thing happened to me on my old Honda 200 Twinstar.


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104523
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
|In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
|>       What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
|>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?
|
|Driving While Intoxicated.

  Actually, I beleive "DWI" normally means "Driving While Impaired" rather
than "Intoxicated", at least it does in the states I've lived in...

|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her 
|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!

  One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs,
not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc...  I'm
surprised this got her off the hook...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
to liquor?

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104524
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

Folks,

I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.

Essentially I need any/all movies that use motos in any substantial
capacity (IE; Fallen Angles, T2, H-D & the Marlboro Man,
Raising Arizona, etc).  
Any help you fellow r.m'ers could give me would be much `preciated.
(BTW, a summary of bike(s) or plot is helpful but not necessary)

Thanx

-Erc.


_______________________________________________________________________________
C Eric Sundheim        csundh30@ursa.Calvin.edu
GrandRapids, MI, USA
`90 Hondo VFR750f
DoD# 1138
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104525
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: Traffic morons

NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks

NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).

NMM>Did I do the right thing?

NMM>Yours Truly :

NMM>                                  Niels Mikkel

Well, sounds great to me! When I have a real BDI cager tailgating me,
I've found that an effective strategy is to flash my brake light by
pumping the pedal. You will, obviously need a bit of free play in your
brake pedal to do this. It seems that even the most brain dead idiot can
usually discern that a flashing red light directly in front of
him/her/it may mean that something is wrong.

The two problems I'd see with your strategy is that the red light may
change before you can get anything meaningful out of your mouth, or the
occupant(s) may take exception to your opinions and demonstrate such
physically (on you or your now-parked bike). Admittedly, the latter is a
slim chance, but it would be enough to give me pause.


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104526
From: gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys)
Subject: New to Motorcycles...

Hello everyone.  I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please.  I don't
have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information:

1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have 
to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too 
ignorant to know I need to buy)

2)  What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance?  I turn 18 in 
about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up
till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a 
motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes
a difference)

3)  Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it?

4)  In DC, as I imagine it is in every other state (OK, OK, we're not a 
state - we're not bitter ;)), you take the written test first and then
get a learners permit.  However, I'm wondering how one goes about 
learning to ride the bike proficiently enough so as to a) get a liscence
and b) not kill oneself.  I don't know anyone with a bike who could 
teach me, and the most advice I've heard is either "do you live near a
field" or "do you have a friend with a pickup truck", the answers to both
of which are NO.  Do I just ride around my neighborhood and hope for 
the best?  I kind of live in a residential area but it's not suburbs.
It's still the big city and I'm about a mile from downtown so that 
doesn't seem too viable.  Any stories on how you all learned?

Thanks for any replies in advance.

	-Greg Humphreys
	:wq
	^^^
	Meant to do that.  (Damn autoindent)

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104527
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

In article <1qt0jo$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
|
|Hey!  I wasn't picking on Morgan.  They use old technology.  That's all
|I said.  There's nothing wrong with using old technology.  People still
|use shovels to dig holes 

Well, you really can't dig a hole with a stock Shovel; you at least need some
performance mods like stroking and cams.  Besides, it's REAL bad on the
rear tire.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104528
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!


In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
|> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
|> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
|> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?
|> >>
|> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.
|> >
|> >  Why not?  Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus
|> >and Vauxhall.  Rover is only owned 20% by Honda.
|> 
|> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would on the likes of A.M.,
|> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British
|> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing


I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
the name.

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104529
From: asalerno@cbnewsm.cb.att.com (antonio.j.salerno..jr)
Subject: DoD Books

Anyone around here read this yet?
Does Anita have a number?

>>   Title: Software measurement for DoD systems : recommendations for initial 
>>          core measures / Anita D. Carleton, ... [et al.].
>> Subject: Software engineering.; Computer programming management.
>>  Author: Carleton, Anita D.
>>  Author: Carnegie-Mellon University. Software Engineering Institute.
>>    Publ: Pittsburgh, Pa. : Carnegie Mellon University, Software Engineering 
>>          Institute, 1992. 53 p.


Tony
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104530
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18

In article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com> ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:

A note to users of Plexi-Fairings:

If the light hits some of these just right, they become a giant magnifing 
glass and will melt a hole in your guage pod!  

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104531
From:         Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD>
Subject:      Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc

>An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."  A friend
>damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
>the sticker.  I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they
>were assuming by pulling that stunt.  She claimed it was the driver who
>was at fault for illegally parking in the first place.  That would
>probably be good for a laugh or two in court, before they found her
>liable for $Serious.

Seems to me that the driver was driving the vehicle visually impaired.
Isn't that like not scraping ice and snow off your windshield and such?

Say, that's another thing that bugs me.  Why don't people scrape their
damn windows?  I've seen people driving cars with *barely* the driver's
half of the windshield cleared.  Nothing else cleared.  This seems
pretty stupid and isn't there something (probably varies state to state)
that says a certain percentage of the glass must be clear?  Oh, well.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104532
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

In article <1993Apr16.104158.27890@reed.edu> mblock@reed.edu (Matt Block) writes:

>(assuming David didn't know that it can be done one-legged,) I too would 

In New Orleans, LA, there was a company making motorcycles for WHEELCHAIR 
bound people!  The rig consists of a flat-bed sidecar rig that the 
wheelchair can be clamped to.  The car has a set of hand controls mounted on 
conventional handlebars!  Looks wierd as hell to see this legless guy 
driving the rig from the car while his girlfriend sits on the bike as a 
passenger!

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104533
From: staal@idt.unit.no (Staal Amund Vinterbo)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <mjs.734954875@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk>, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
|> 
|> Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to
|> be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering
|> theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
|> the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.
|> And that was my original point.
|> 
|> Mike

While I agree with you on that formal training is essential for safe riding,
I disagree strongly with your original point. The point of formal training 
must be to prepare riders for the road. Preparedness is in my opinion
to know as much as possible. So, to exclude some aspects of riding a bike 
in a course is wrong IMHO. Now to countersteering in particular.
Countersteering is something that must be trained. A common reaction among 
new bikers (or bicycle riders) in an emergency situation, is to steer the 
motorcycle like a bicycle. As we know this makes the motorcycle go in the
direction opposite to what was intended. Needless to say, this is dangerous.
I have a specific example: A rider in a left turn. The rider thinks he/she
is to close to the right shoulder of the road, and tries to steer the 
motorcycle to the left by pulling the left handle and pushing the right 
handle. The motorcycle straightens up and goes off the road. 
A worse scenario: The same rider, same turn. In the middle of the turn
the rider sees a truck coming towards him/her. The panicking rider tries
to steer the motorcycle away from the truck and crashes right into it.

The main function of a riding course is to teach how to avoid emergency 
situations, AND what to do if in one. Thus, the knowledge (and training) of
countersteering is IMHO a must in any riding course.
-- 
staal@idt.unit.no  


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104534
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: Help!  Which bikes are short?

In rec.motorcycles, bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes:
>Help!  I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle.  This is great!
>Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat.  This is not great.  So far,
>the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440.

    I had a kz440 and thought it was the best $100 bike I've ever
    ridden.  And mind you, I've ridden many bikes.

>I seem to remember a thread with a point similar to this passing through
>several months ago.  Did anybody keep that list?

    You must be mistaken. No thread in this group has ever had a point.


Seriously, there are many 'short' bikes out there.  What style bike
and how much money does she have.  My SO is 5'3" and rides her CB1
or my hawk GT with ease.  Most cruisers are low slung.  YSR50's are
real short too.
	<================================================> 
       /        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104535
From: jet@netcom.Netcom.COM (J. Eric Townsend)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...

"cjackson" == Curtis Jackson <cjackson@adobe.com> writes:

cjackson> I am very glad to know that none of you judgemental little shits has
cjackson> ridden/driven when too tired, sleepy, hungover, angry, or distracted
cjackson> in the last 3 years. Why, if you had then you might be just as guilty

Some of us not-so judgmental little shits don't drive/ride when we're
impaired.  I stopped doing that sort of thing when a good friend of
mine got killed by a drunk driver who failed to stop for a red and
drove through the side of her volvo in his '72 caddy.

Then again, I suspect most of the responsible adults on the net don't
bother posting in flame wars on rec.moto.

cjackson> "There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
cjackson>  in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

He also owned slaves, kept some as forced concubines, and had enough
resources to do what he wanted without fear of reprisal.  Then again,
he also smoked dope.
-- 
jet@netcom.com -- J. Eric Townsend -- '92 R100R, DoD# (hafta kill you...)
This is my fun account -- work email goes to jet@nas.nasa.gov
"You got to put down the ducky if you wanna play saxophone."
Skate UNIX or die, boyo.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104536
From: xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu
Subject: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

Mike Terry
'82 Virago

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104537
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

In article <C5sK1D.C1p@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
}Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.

So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104538
From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)
Subject: Re: More MOA stuff --- like the RA

From what I've seen in my 17 years as an MOA member, most of the folks
in the RA are also in the MOA... I guess it's called covering all the
bases to get some idea of what is really happening.. How else does one
think the RA gets all the juicey news about what's happen' inside the 
MOA?

Nihilism isn't for everyone, not that it really matters!
Craig Vechorik
BMW MOA Ambassador  (and ya, I finally sent my bucks into the RA too)
"REAL BMW's have TWO wheels"  <--- politically correct statement
DOD #843


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104539
From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Electricty

 
 Sigha.
 
 1) Trying to figure out a way to put a halogen beam on my CB360T... Are 
there any easy ways to do this (i.e. a "slip-in" bulb replacement)?
 
 2) Was told by a guy at the bike shop that my "not damn near bright enough" 
incandescent beam might be caused by a perma-low battery. So I went and 
picked up this cheapo "Motorcycle battery and charging system tester"... 
Hook it up to the battery, it's got 3 lights on "Very good charge"... Start 
the engine (to test the charging system), and it doesn't even REGISTER. It's 
supposed to light 5 or 6 lights if everything is OK, but it stays down at 
the same point as just the battery.
 
 My question here is, if indeed my charging system is just plain messed up, 
how the HECK is the battery staying fully charged? I'd think it would be 
darned near dead from supporting my lights, etc...
 
 Do the '75 CB360T's have a problem with their charging system? Are they 
just generally slower charging than what is normal for bigger bikes?
 
 Is there an easy fix for this?
 
 3) Happy noise: Put 300 miles on my bike this weekend, finally got myass an 
endorsement.... which is REALLY GOOD, because my cage just quit running 
worth a damn and I won't have money to repair it until the first... ;) And 
the weatherman says "Bright and Sunny all week, 20% chance of rain on 
friday"...
 
 <big grin, bugs in teeth> 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104540
From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

 
 One of those "morning, just getting the coffee in me" thoughts:
 
 Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going, 
nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
 
 1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention 
is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages.
 
 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when 
you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104541
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled:

: In article <1993Apr19.154020.24818@i88.isc.com>, jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
: |> In article <2514@tekgen.bv.tek.com> davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS) writes:
: |> >In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
: |> >>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?
: |> >>
: |> >>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.
: |> >
: |> >  Why not?  Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus
: |> >and Vauxhall.  Rover is only owned 20% by Honda.
: |> 
: |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes of A.M.,
: |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have non-British
: |> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing


: I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
: it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
: the name.

: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR.  It's a seperate
company from the RR Aero-Engine company.  I think that the government
own a stake.  Unfortunately they owned a stake of Jaguar too, until
they decided to make a quick buck and sold it to Ford.  Bastards.
This is definitely the ultimate Arthur-Daley government.
--

Nick (the Cynical Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Leaky Gearbox

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104542
From: mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost)
Subject: Re: The best of times, the worst of times

In <1993Apr20.161357.20354@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:

>(note: this is not about the L.A. or NY Times)


>Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 
>carb.  I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
>tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
>on the screws inside of a carb.  At least it was roadside
>fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.

You better check all the screws in that carb before you suck
one into a jug and munge a piston, or valve. I've seen it
happen before.

Matthew


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104543
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago)
Subject: Cobra Locks

I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing 
a motorcycle.  I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
(described below).  Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
in the Chicago area?

Any other feedback from someone who has used this?

Thanks for any info.,

Steve

In article 1r1534INNraj@shelley.u.washington.edu, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
> 
> Incidentally, the best lock I've found for bikes is the Cobra Lock.
> It's a cable which is shrouded by an articulated, hardened steel sleeve.
> The lock itself is cylindrical and the locking pawl engages the joints
> at the articulation points so the chain can be adjusted (like handcuffs).
> You can't get any leverage on the lock to break it open and the cylinder
> is well-protected.  I wouldn't want to cut one of these without a torch
> and/or a vice and heavy duty cutting wheel.
> 


---
Steve Bunis,  Sun Microsystems     ***DoD #0795***	93-ST1100
              Itasca, IL	  ***AMA #682049***	78-KZ650


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104544
From: jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere)
Subject:   So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious
things like that.  My questions would not be found in those places nor
answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop.
If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc.
don't bother writing in.  Thanks.

 



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104545
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <csundh30.735325668@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:

>Folks,

>I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.

>Essentially I need any/all movies that use motos in any substantial
>capacity (IE; Fallen Angles, T2, H-D & the Marlboro Man,
>Raising Arizona, etc).  
>Any help you fellow r.m'ers could give me would be much `preciated.
>(BTW, a summary of bike(s) or plot is helpful but not necessary)

Easy Rider (harleys, drugs, rednecks, New Orleans), Mad Max (violence, DoD 
wanna-be's), Time Rider (Honda Thumper, Time travel), On Any Sunday 
(Documentary about dirtbike racers, GREAT!), The (Great?) Escape (Steve 
Mcqueen, Nazis), Rebel Without a Cause (James Dean, future DoD'ers).  I 
think the last two are right, they are OLD movies I haven't seen in YEARS. 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104546
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1993Apr20.163629.29153@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:

>I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
>several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
>And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious
>things like that.  My questions would not be found in those places nor
>answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop.
>If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc.
>don't bother writing in.  Thanks.

I just gotta ask... What ARE these questions you want to ask an active cop?
Working on your DoD qualfications? B-)


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104547
From: mdc2@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (corrado,mitchell)
Subject: Re: Route Suggestions?

In article <1qmm5dINNnlg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) writes:
> 55E -> I-81/I-66E.  After this point the route is presently undetermined
> into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6).  Suggestions 

If you do make it into New York state, the Palisades Interstate Parkway is a
pleasant ride (beautiful scenery, good road surface, minimal traffic).  You
may also want to take a sidetrip along Seven Lakes Drive just off the parkway
for the same reasons plus the road sweeps up and down along the hills with
sweeping turns under old forest canopy.

               '\                          Mitch Corrado
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104548
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
>Hello everyone.  I'm new to motorcycles so no flames please.  I don't
>have my bike yet so I need a few pieces of information:
>
>[...]  Any stories on how you all learned?

I'll tell you my story as an example of what *not* to do.

Early in 1984 I took some riding lessons from my college roommate on
his old Honda CB360T.  He had taken the MSF beginner's course, so I
actually learned *some* of what I needed to know to ride.

I proceeded to buy a beat-up Honda CL350 for $400 and a $12 helmet and
rode around wearing this and a cotton windbreaker.  Then I decided to
invest in a full-face helmet (first smart move).  Sometime around then
I also passed my road test.

On May 4, 1984, I got caught in a rainstorm on my way home from a
4-mile trip.  Entering the town where I lived (a rather urban suburb),
I had to stop suddenly for a red light that I noticed too late,
skidded the rear tire out, and was ejected face upward into the
oncoming lane of traffic.  Fortunately for me the oncoming traffic was
also stopped for the same red light, otherwise I might have slid under
a car and been killed.

Now this is anecdotal evidence, to be sure, but I later took the
Experienced Rider Course from the MSF and saw that earlier training
could have helped me greatly.  In your case the need is even greater
since you have nobody to help you practice even the most basic stuff
as I did.

So my advice is to take the MSF beginner's course first thing.  I
wouldn't even buy a bike until you've taken the course, unless you
happen to pick up a real good deal and can store it someplace until
you're ready to use it.

>1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have 
>to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too 
>ignorant to know I need to buy)

While you're waiting to take the course (it might take a few weeks in
DC, as I recall there were always waiting lists in Boston), could you
save up some more money to start out right?  Say $300 for riding gear,
plus the cost bike, plus maybe $100 (guess) to a mechanic to make sure
the machine is safe (assuming you economize by buying some old beat-up
machine from a private individual), plus insurance, plus registration
and licensing fees, plus the course, you're looking at maybe $600 not
including the bike itself and a reserve for ongoing maintenance.

>2)  What is buying a bike going to do to my insurance?  I turn 18 in 
>about a month so my parents have been taking care of my insurance up
>till now, and I need a comprehensive list of costs that buying a 
>motorcycle is going to insure (I live in Washington DC if that makes
>a difference)

I pay about $100 insurance now (upstate NY) but it was closer to $200
in Boston (more urban) for decent insurance including substantial
coverage for liability, which you want unless you plan always to be
poor.  I'd guess DC is more like Boston than like a rural area, ergo
more expensive.

>3)  Any recommendations on what I should buy/where I should look for it?

There used to be annual buyer's guides in the usual motorcycle
magazines; I found those helpful in getting an idea of what new or
recent models might be available.  You could probably look through
past issues to size up what used bikes might be available.  (My first
bike was 13 years old when I bought it so I went on my friend's advice
instead.)  Also look at the bikes that you see people riding or that
are parked on the street.  I basically settled on my present bike by
noticing that there were a lot of high-mileage BMW's running around
and they were generally set up the way I wanted.

Nothing wrong with talking to various dealers in your area or visiting
showrooms.  Dealers in the Boston area, at least when I was shopping,
were very nice about letting you look around their showrooms and
quoting prices for bikes that weren't the latest models (hence
cheaper), although I ended up buying both bikes in private sales.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   DoD #0969   also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al.



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104549
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Help!  Which bikes are short?

In article <1993Apr20.170445.18331@ncar.ucar.edu> bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes:
>Help!  I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle.  This is great!
>Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat.  This is not great.  So far,
>the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440.

Look for a happier-looking KZ440?

Suzuki used to have an L designation, for example my former boss had a
GS850L which had a seat a couple inches lower than the "regular"
GS850, but it was certainly no cruiser.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   DoD #0969   also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104550
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: bike for sale in MA, USA

In article <1993Apr19.194630.102@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us> jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo) writes:
>I've recently become father of twins!  I don't think I can afford
> to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies.  Both babies are staying, so 1 of
> the Harleys is going.
>
>	1988 883 XLHD
>	~4000 mi.  (hey, it was my wife's bike :-)
	            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Well that was pretty uncalled for. (No smile)
	Is our Harley manhood feeling challenged?

> Jeff deRienzo

-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
 '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104551
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: MSF Program where?


	Could someone mail me the archive location of the MSF Program (for
	an IBM, right?)?

	Thanks,

-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
 '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104552
From: lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall)
Subject: Re: story 

>lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>
>>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the
>>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of
>>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The
>>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The
>>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY?
>
>
>And still we wonder why they stereotype us...
>
>-Erc.

 Whacha mean 'we'...ifin they (whom ever 'they' are) want to stereotype me
as one that likes to drink beer and watch lovely ladies display their
beautiful bodies - I like that stereotype.
  If you were refering 'stereotype' to infer a negative - you noticed we
didn't rape, pillage, or burn down the town. We also left mucho bucks as in
MONEY with the town. Me thinks the town LIKES us. Least they said so.
                         Lynn Hall - NOS Bros

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104553
Subject: Re: Traffic morons
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <C5sHD0.LH6@athena.cs.uga.edu>, ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu
(Allan Hatcher) wrote:
> 

> You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony.

	I'm not sure that's true.  Let me rephrase; "You can file a complaint
 which will bring the person into court."  As I understand it, a
 "citizens arrest" does not have to be the physical detention of
 the person.

 Better now?

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104554
From: frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org (Jeff 'Frog' Campbell)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

From article <C5px3n.Kw0@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers):
> In article <1098@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>>cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers) writes:
> 
>>]I'm going to buy a BMW just to cast a vote for Groucho.
> 
>>I thought you were gonna buy a BMW for its superior power and handling...
> 
> Yes, but the 535i was just a tad out of my price range...
> 
> 
> ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the
> Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end
> of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath?  I seem to slice the pinkie
> of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!).
> 
> Ride safe, send me your old MOA rags, y'all,
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II             |
> |                                                                          |
> |  I thought it might be cool to have the whole bike done in powder coat,  |
> |      like maybe a black undercoat with neon splatter, or something.      |
> |                           -- Brian W Simmons                             |
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm).
-- 
***  Jeff Campbell  N8WXS  '76 R75/6  70010,160  frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org  ***

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104555
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu>, ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
wrote:
> 
> 
> In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:
> 
> Mike Terry asks:
> 
> >Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
> >
> No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
> of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
> off the ground.

	This is true as evinced by the popularity of shaft-drive drag bikes.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104556
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks

In article <1r1b3rINNale@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> doc@webrider.central.sun.com writes:
>I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing 
>a motorcycle.  I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
>(described below).  Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
>in the Chicago area?

	It is available through some dealerships, who in turn have to back
order it from the manufacturer directly.  Each one is made to order, at least
if you get a nonstandard length (standard is 5', I believe).

>Any other feedback from someone who has used this?

	See below

>In article 1r1534INNraj@shelley.u.washington.edu, basiji@stein.u.washington.edu (David Basiji) writes:
>> 
>> Incidentally, the best lock I've found for bikes is the Cobra Lock.
>> It's a cable which is shrouded by an articulated, hardened steel sleeve.
>> The lock itself is cylindrical and the locking pawl engages the joints
>> at the articulation points so the chain can be adjusted (like handcuffs).
>> You can't get any leverage on the lock to break it open and the cylinder
>> is well-protected.  I wouldn't want to cut one of these without a torch
>> and/or a vice and heavy duty cutting wheel.

	I have a 6' long CobraLinks lock that I used to use for my Harley (she
doesn't get out much anymore, so I don't use the lock that often anymore).  It
is made of 3/4" articulated steel shells covering seven strands of steel cable.
It is probably enough to stop all the joyriders, but, unfortunately,
professionals can open it rather easily:

	1) Freeze a link.

	2) Break frozen link with your favorite method (hammers work well).

	3) Snip through the steel cables (which, I have on authority, are
		frightfully thin) with a set of boltcutters.

	For the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is
anywhere from 1/2" to 7/8" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded
in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type
locking mechanism.  I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's
more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat
in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8" model).

	All bets are off if the thief has a die grinder with a cutoff wheel.
Even the most durable locks tested yield to this tool in less than one minute.

	FYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104557
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for MC B

In article <5967@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
+
+I know of no law, either on the books or proposed, that bans motorcycles
+from any place that i want to go to.

Many private places ban bikes.  For example, the famous 17 mile
drive at the Monterrey Peninsula.  And I have stayed at resorts
that sported a "No motorcycles allowed" sign at the entrance.

And there have been public places.  Call the AMA and ask for
Jim Bensberg (sp?) or any one else in their Legislative Office.
They will recound the many public places that they had to bring
to court to reverse their ban on bikes.  That includes everything
from public parks to full cities.  There are probably a few fights
on their books as we now speak.  That is another good reason to
donate to their legislative fund.
____________________________________________________________________________
   Death is life's way of telling you you've been fired  -- R. Geis
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2
  KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905)
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104558
From: sproulx@bmtlh204.BNR.CA (Stephane Proulx)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks


You may find it useful.
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From: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Best way to lock a bike ?
Message-ID: <861@cybaswan.UUCP>
Date: 15 Jul 92 09:47:10 GMT
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These are the figures from the Performance Bikes lock test, taken without
permission of course. The price is for comparison. All the cable locks
have some sort of armour, the chain locks are padlock and chain. Each
lock was tested for a maximum of ten minutes (600 secs) for each test:

	BJ	Bottle jack
	CD	Cutting disc
	BC	Bolt croppers
	GAS	Gas flame

The table should really be split into immoblisers (for-a-while) and
lock-to-somethings (for-a-short-while) to make comparisons.

		Type	Weight	BJ	CD	BC	GAS	Total	Price
			(kg)	(sec)	(sec)	(sec)	(sec)	(sec)	(Pounds)
========================================================================
=========
3-arm		Folding	.8	53	5	13	18	89	26
Cyclelok	bar

Abus Steel-o-	Cable	1.4	103	4	20	26	153	54
flex

Oxford		Cable	2.0	360	4	32	82	478	38
Revolver

Abus Diskus	Chain	2.8	600	7	40	26	675	77

6-arm		Folding	1.8	44	10	600	22	676	51
Cyclelok	bar

Abus Extra	U-lock	1.2	600	10	120	52	782	44

Cobra		Cable	6.0(!)	382	10	600	22	1014	150
(6ft)

Abus closed	Chain	4.0	600	11	600	33	1244	100
shackle	

Kryptonite	U-lock	2.5	600	22	600	27	1249	100
K10

Oxford		U-lock	2.0	600	7	600	49	1256	38
Magnum

Disclock	Disc	.7	n/a	44	n/a	38	1282	43
		lock

Abus 58HB	U-lock	2.5	600	26	600	64	1290	100

Mini Block	Disc	.65	n/a	51	n/a	84	1335	50
		lock
========================================================================
=========

Pretty depressing reading. I think a good lock and some common sense about
where and when you park your bike is the only answer. I've spent all my
spare time over the last two weeks landscaping (trashing) the garden of
my (and two friends with bikes) new house to accommodate our three bikes in
relative security (never underestimate how much room a bike requires to
manouver in a walled area :( ). Anyway, since the weekend there are only two
bikes :( and no, he didn't use his Abus closed shackle lock, it was too much
hassle to take with him when visiting his parents. A minimum wait of 8
weeks (if they don't decide to investigate) for the insurance company
to make an offer and for the real haggling to begin.

Abus are a German company and it would seem not well represented in the US
but very common in the UK. The UK distributor, given in the above article
is:
	Michael Brandon Ltd,
	15/17 Oliver Crescent,
	Hawick,
	Roxburgh TD9 9BJ.
	Tel. 0450 73333

The UK distributors for the other locks can also given if required.

Don't lose it
	Ian

-- 
_______________________________________________________________________
  Ian Harvey, University College Swansea         Too old to rock'n'roll
  eeharvey@uk.ac.swan.pyr                              Too young to die
                              '79 GS750E                              



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104559
From: Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke)
Subject: Countersteering sans Hands

So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in left 
hand, Camel cigarette in the right, no feet allowed.) If I lean, and the 
bike turns, am I countersteering? Is countersteering like benchracing only 
with a taller seat, so your feet aren't on the floor?

-Rick


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104560
From: pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <1993Apr19.164842.18206@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
>
>Mike Terry

No.

At least, that's what I told the NASA rent-a-cop that stopped me
because he swore I was "lifting it up."

He didn't completely buy the part about water in the carbs, either.


Phil Stone                  NEW ADDRESS----------> pstone@well.sf.ca.us
'83 R80ST                                           "Motorcycles OK"


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104561
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: Route Suggestions?

In article <1993Apr20.173413.29301@porthos.cc.bellcore.com> mdc2@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (corrado,mitchell) writes:
>In article <1qmm5dINNnlg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) writes:
>> 55E -> I-81/I-66E.  After this point the route is presently undetermined
>> into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6).  Suggestions 
>
>If you do make it into New York state, the Palisades Interstate Parkway is a
>pleasant ride (beautiful scenery, good road surface, minimal traffic).  You
				   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

	Been a while since you hit the PIP? The pavement (at least until around
	exit 9) is for sh*t these days. I think it must have taken a beating
	this winter, because I don't remember it being this bad. It's all
	breaking apart, and there are some serious potholes now. Of course
	there are also the storm drains that are *in* your lane as opposed
	to on the side of the road (talk about annoying cost saving measures).
		
	As for traffic, don't try it around 5:15 - 6:30 on weekdays (outbound,
	rush hour happens inbound too) as there are many BDC's...

	<...> <...>
>               '\                          Mitch Corrado
>               /   DEC  \======== mdc2@panther.tnds.bellcore.com

-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
 '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104562
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Hell-mets.

In article <217766@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com> maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>
> 
> Having talked to a couple people about helmets & dropping, I'm getting 
>about 20% "Don't sweat it", 78% "You might think about replacing it" and the 
>other 2% "DON'T RIDE WITH IT! GO WITHOUT A HELMET FIRST!"
> 
> Is there any way to tell if a helmet is damaged structurally? I dropped it 
>about 2 1/2 feet to cement off my seat, chipped the paint. Didn't seem to 
>screw up the actual shell. 

I'd bet the price of the helmet that it's okay...From 6 feet
or higher, maybe not.

> If I don't end up replacing it in the real near future, would I do better 
>to wear my (totally nondamaged) 3/4 face DOT-RATED cheapie which doesn't fit 
>as well or keep out the wind as well, or wearing the Shoei RF-200 which is a 
>LOT more comfortable, keeps the wind out better, is quieter... but might 
>have some minor damage?

I'd wear the full facer, but then, I'd be *way* more worried
about wind blast in the face, and inability to hear police
sirens, than the helmet being a little damaged.


> Also, what would you all reccomend as far as good helmets? I'm slightly 
>disappointed by how badly the shoei has scratched & etc from not being 
>bloody careful about it, and how little impact it took to chip the paint 
>(and arguably mess it up, period)... Looking at a really good full-face with 
>good venting & wind protection... I like the Shoei style, kinda like the 
>Norton one I saw awhile back too... But suspect I'm going to have to get a 
>much more expensive helmet if I want to not replace it every time I'm not 
>being careful where I set it down.

Well, my next helmet will be, subject to it fitting well, an AGV
sukhoi. That's just because I like the looks. My current one is
a Shoei task5, and it's getting a little old, and I crashed in
it once a couple of years ago (no hard impact to head...My hip
took care of that.). If price was a consideration I'd get
a Kiwi k21, I hear they are both good and cheap.

> Christ, I don't treat my HEAD as carefully as I treated the shoei as far as 
>tossing it down, and I don't have any bruises on it. 

Be *mildly* mildly paranoid about the helmet, but don't get
carried away. There are people on the net (like those 2% you
mentioned) that do not consistently live on our planet...

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104563
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1993Apr19.155551.227@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
>In article <mjs.735230272@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>>
>>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don't even need to tell people the 
>>technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first
>>time they try to go round a corner.

Some will, and others will steer with their tuchuses. I don't know how much
the teaching of countersteering in the beginner course really helps the
tuchus steerers. I was one, I guess that I always steered a bicycle that way,
and I only got the hang of countersteering in normal riding *after* the course.
I could do the countersteering swerves in the course no problem, but I only
started using it in my normal riding when I decided that my turning at speed
(off-ramps and the like) was a lot more difficult that it should have been.
I knew how it works (although that's currently up for debate) definitely knew
*that* it works, as I could do it in swerves, but only figured it out later
in my normal riding. Just a data point. I think that it's not a bad idea to
bring the idea up, but it's best to let everyone tuchus-steer for the first
lesson or two, so they can learn to shift gears before they have to worry
about proper handlebar technique.

>countersteering.  In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors
>claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike
>turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight
>around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite
>direction.  (I admit I've never actually seen this.)

I have. In our beginner course we had passenger training. Sometime during
the lesson the instructor would hop on the back of the bike, and the student
would take him for a ride. If the student did not give the instructor the
"you are a sack of potatoes" passenger speech, the instructor would steer
the bike and make a general nuisance of himself. It was amusing to watch,
I'm just happy that it didn't happen to me.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104564
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Question about helmets

In article <1qmnp8INN31v@mojo.eng.umd.edu> oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor) writes:
>
>On the other side of the fence, I owned a Bieffe off-road helmet.
>Took what I would consider a minor fall, and had visible damage
>to the shell.  Yes, the helmet did its job.  But the damage/impact
>ratio was scary.  I own Bell Moto-5 now, have taken impacts on
>order of twice the Bieffe impact (we do this frequently in MX),
>and don't even have a scratch on it after two seasons.  My
>recommendation is to buy _high_ quality gear.  YMMV.

When your helmetted nogin hits an immoveabe object, there are only four things
to dissipate the energy: the immoveable object, the helmet shell, the helmet
liner, the rider's head, the rider's ego (ok, five). Assuming that the helmet/
head assembly takes the same impact, if the shell cracks in one case, then in
the other the liner must be dented, or the head gets jiggled. If it's the
the liner that's dented, the helmet is just as toast as if the shell were
cracked, it won't absorb energy form an impact in that area. If it's the head
that's getting jiggled, maybe the new gear isn't of as high quality after all?

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104565
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>>       Ok, hold on a second and clarify something for me:
>
>>       What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
>>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?
>
>Driving While Intoxicated.
>
>This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her 
>case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!

Here it's driving while impaired. That about covers everything.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104566
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist

In article <C5r7Ey.7Mq@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:
>
>I'm thinking of buying a motorcycle. Whenever I tell people
>this I usually get an answer like "Why do you want to do that
>My brother, sister, cousin knows somebody who had a motorcycle
>and now they are brain dead as a result of an accident?"
>
>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"?            

It's exactly as dangerous as it looks. You're hard to see and have little
protection. Keeping out of trouble means knowing your limits, keeping your
machine in good shape and being able to predict and make up for every stupid
move that drivers make out there. We deal with it because it's fun, but
staying alive takes a conscious effort.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104567
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...

In article <1993Apr18.230531.11329@bcars6a8.bnr.ca> keithh@bnr.ca (Keith Hanlan) writes:
>In article <13386@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>>Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.
>>
>>I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
>>vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.
>>
>>Now what do I do?
>
>Sell the bike and the car and start taking the bus. That way you can
>keep drinking which seems to be where your priorities lay.
>
>I expect that enough of us on this list have lost friends because of
>driving drunks that our collective sympathy will be somewhat muted.

Look, guy, I doubt anyone here approves of Drunk Driving, but if
he's been caught and convicted and punished maybe you ought to
lighten up? I mean, it isn't like most of us haven't had a few
and then ridden or driven home. *We* just didn't get caught.
And I can speak for myself and say it will *never* happen again,
but that is beside the point.

In answer to the original poster: I'd insure whatever vehicle
is cheapest, and can get you to and from work, and suffer
through it for a few years, til your rates drop.

And *don't* drink and drive. I had one friend killed by a 
drunk, and I was rear ended by one, totaling my bike (bent
frame), and only failing to kill me because I had an eye
on my mirror while I waited at the stoplight.

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104568
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <C5pntM.8Co@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:

>This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
>a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
>I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
>dog or one that's really, *really* stupid.  A large Irish Setter taught me
>this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day.  I'm sure he was playing 
>a game with me.  The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before 
>He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.

What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?

You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
off!

Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
we have *all* the advantages.

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350
-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104569
From: brown@venus.iucf.indiana.edu (Robert J. Brown)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <Stafford-200493103434@stafford.winona.msus.edu>, Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes...
>>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:
>>  Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
> 
>	Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front.
> See, it just HOPS into the air!  Figure.
>John Stafford 

  Sure you can do wheelies with a shaft drive bike. I had a BMW R100RS
that was a wheelie monster! Of course it didn't have the initial power
burst to just twist it into the air - I had to pop the clutch. I also
had to replace front fork seals a few times as well. The fairing is a 
bit heavy to be slamming down onto those little stantion tubes all the
time. But let me give you fair warning: I trashed the ring/pinion gear
in the final drive of my K75 (I assume) doing wheelies. And this was 
NO cheap fix either!! There is some kind of "slip" device in the shaft
to prevent IT from breaking. Unfortunately, it didn't save the gears!

  On the topic of wheelies, the other day I saw a kid on a big Hurricane
do a "stoppy"(?), or rear wheelie. Man, he had the rear end on this bike 
up about 2 feet off the ground at a traffic light. I don't recommend these
activities anymore (now that I'm an "old guy" with kids of my own) but
it looked damn impressive!!

  If you can't keep both tires on the ground, at least have 'em pointed
in that direction! :-)

Cheers, 
B**2

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104571
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...

In article <1993Apr19.152527.23658@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:
|
|Now now Keith, just calm down.  What are you some prohibitionist prick?  The
|point of Andrew Infante's posting was obvious to solicit suggestions pertaining
|to the cost of insurance and the like.  I don't care if you are MADD or SADD or
|whatever; keep it to yourself, we'd all appreciate that.

Well, simply put, drinking is irrelavent.  Driving drunk is indefensable and
unforgivable.  There is a large differnece.

But, then, with an attitude like yours, I expect you'll be dead soon.  I just
hope you don't take a human being out with you.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104572
From: alanf@eng.tridom.com (Alan Fleming)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

In article <1993Apr20.163315.8876@adobe.com>, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr20.131800.16136@alw.nih.gov> gregh@niagara.dcrt.nih.gov (Gregory Humphreys) writes:
> }1)  I only have about $1200-1300 to work with, so that would have 
> }to cover everything (bike, helmet, anything else that I'm too 
> }ignorant to know I need to buy)
> 
> The following numbers are approximate, and will no doubt get me flamed:
> 
> Helmet (new, but cheap)					$100
> Jacket (used or very cheap)				$100
> Gloves (nothing special)				$ 20
> Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!)	$140
                                                         ^^^
Wow!  Courses in Georgia are much cheaper.  $85 for both.
>

The list looks good, but I'd also add:
  Heavy Boots (work, hiking, combat, or similar)         $45

Think Peace.
-- Alan (alanf@eng.tridom.com)
KotBBBB (1988 GSXR1100J)  AMA# 634578  DOD# 4210  PGP key available

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104573
From: Christine Hogan <ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Strange Experience

Hi

I t was very nice out yesterday in the 'burgh, so i rode my bike
to my gynecologist appointment. When he came in to do the exam,
he noticed my helmet sitting on a chair. He got excited and picked it up 
and started asking all sorts of questions about bikes and dealers in the 
area and the MSF course. Apparently he rode a friends 125 for a
while years ago and recently the bug to ride caught him again.

Needless to say, I had never before talked about bikes so much in
such a position, if ya know what I mean :->



|Chris Hogan	ch3c+@andrew.cmu.edu |CB-1|		
|         1127                 |     
| Soft as the massacre of Suns |
| By Evening's Sabres slain    |
|             emily dickinson  |  
                      

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104574
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <222834@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com>, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
|>  
|>  One of those "morning, just getting the coffee in me" thoughts:
|>  
|>  Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going, 
|> nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
|>  
|>  1) If you're watching for other bikes to wave to, it means your attention 
|> is on the road, where it should be, and you're more likely to see cages.
|>  
|>  2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when 
|> you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. 


The down side is that when I'm in my cage, I have on numerous occasions
slammed my hand into the rolled up window in an effort to wave at
a passing biker.  Ow.

-- 
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= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
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= Parking spaces? We don't need no steenkin' parking spaces!                =
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104575
From: harley-request@thinkage.on.ca (Harley Mailing List Digest)
Subject: Harley-Davidson Mailing List -- an Email taste sensation!

  Anyone interesting in a mailing list for Harley-Davidson bikes, lifestyle,
politics, H.O.G. and whatever over 310 members from 14 countries make it,
may subscribe by sending a request to:

              harley-request@thinkage.on.ca
          or  uunet.ca!thinkage!harley-request

***
* Your request to join should have a signature or something giving your full
* Email address.  Do not RELY on the header "From:" field being useful to me.
*
* This is not an automated "listserv" facility. Do not expect instant
* gratification.
***

The list is a digest format scheduled for twice a day.

Members of the harley list may obtain back-issues and subject-index
    listings, pictures, etc. via an Email archive server. 
Server access is restricted to list subscribers only.
FTP access "real soon".

Other motorcycle related lists i've heard of (not run by me),
   these addresses may or may not be current:

  2-stroke:     2strokes-request@microunity.com
  Dirt:         dirt-request@zygot.ati.com
  European:     listserv@frigg.isc-br.com
  Racing:       race-request@formula1.corp.sun.com
                digest-request@formula1.corp.sun.com
  Short Riding: short-request@smarmy.sun.com
  Wet Leather:  listserv@frigg.isc-br.com

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It climbs the hills like a Matchless 'cause my Honda's built really light...
                                    -Brian Wilson (Honda Honda)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104576
From: heathman@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michael Heathman)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?
>
>You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
>off!
>
>Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
>we have *all* the advantages.
>
>Regards, Charles
>DoD0.001
>RZ350
>-- 

	Professionals who train guard dogs, when polled, gave themselves a
1 in 4 chance of survival tackling a trained dog unarmed.  A trained guard
dog is not to be trifled with.  An untrained mutt may be another story.

ObMoto:  A local dog used to chase me all the time.  Really annoying.  I 
finally started stopping every time he'd chase me.  He didn't know what to do
then and would usually just slink off the road.  After a couple weeks of this
he stopped chasing me altogether.  He would still chase cars or other bikes,
though.  I think he recognized me when I went by ;-).

 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 -  Mike Heathman           VX800 - Briar Rose        DoD #0284               -
 -  Lilly Research           T500 - Titan (Awaiting Resurrection)             -
 -  Indianapolis, IN        "Where am I to go, now that I've gone too far?    -
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104577
From: pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown)
Subject: Need parts/info for 1963 Maicoletta scooter


Posted for a friend:

Looking for tires, dimensions 14" x 3.25" or 3.35"

Also looking for brakes or info on relining existing shoes.

Also any other Maicoletta owners anywhere to have contact with.

Call Scott at 801-583-1354 or email me.
-- 
 I saw fops by the thousand sew themselves together round the Lloyds building.

DISCLAIMER: My writings have NOTHING to do with my employer.  Keep it that way.
Pete Ashdown          pashdown@slack.sim.es.com            Salt Lake City, Utah

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104578
From: delilah@next18pg2.wam.umd.edu (Romeo DeVerona)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

> > Motorcycle Safety Foundation riding course (a must!)	$140
>                                                          ^^^
> Wow!  Courses in Georgia are much cheaper.  $85 for both.
> >
> 
in maryland, they were $25 each when i learned to ride 3 years ago. now,
it's $125 (!) for the beginner riders' course and $60 for the experienced
riders' course (which, admittedly, takes only about half the time ).

-D-

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104579
From: dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu (David A. Braun)
Subject: Wrecked BMW


Do you or does anyone you know have a wrecked 1981 or later R80(anything)
or R100(anything) that they are interested in getting rid of?  I need
a motor, but will buy a whole bike.

email replies to:	David.Braun@FtCollinsCO.NCR.com
	or:		dab@vuse.vanderbilt.edu

or phone:	303/223-5100 x9487 (voice mail)
		303/229-0952	   (home)




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104580
From: dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers)
Subject: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)

In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
>
>>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>       ^^^^^^
>    excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.


Squids are everybody but me and you.  Chris Behanna is especially a squid.


-- 
 * Dana H. Myers KK6JQ 		| Views expressed here are	*
 * (310) 337-5136 		| mine and do not necessarily	*
 * dana@locus.com  DoD #466 	| reflect those of my employer	*
 * This Extra supports the abolition of the 13 and 20 WPM tests *

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104581
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: where to put your helmet

CB>From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)

CB>>maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
CB>>|>
CB>>|>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to
CB>>|> rock
CB>>|> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...

CB>        Do I have to be the one to say it?

CB>        DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
CB>        FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!

CB>        HELMETS GO ON THE GROUND, ON A TABLE, ON A CHAIR, ON A SHELF, OR ON
CB>        ANY OTHER SURFACE THAT IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SUPPORT THEM SO THAT THEY
CB>        WILL NOT EASILY BE KNOCKED DOWN.


Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. If
you own a typical standard or other bike with fairly average mirrors
that screw into your handlebars, your helmet should fit over your mirror
and be fairly stable. I doubt I have to mention it, but this trick isn't
quite so smart on a GoldWing, CBR600, any GSXR, or any bike with
fairing-mounted mirrors.

I was a little surprised, though, to find that you had your helmet on
your seat while you were centerstanding your bike. I usually leave my
helmet on until my bike is parked, if for no other reason than I
wouldn't want my helmet to be on any surface that I was about to start
tilting and jerking . . .

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .

I saw the quote below on a pair of Nankai race-replica leathers. I think
this sort of phrase is typically known as "Japlish."

 * SLMR 2.1a * "Drive Agressively  Rash Magnificently" -Nankai Leathers
                                                                                        
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104582
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: Spagthorpe Viking

DS>From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)

DS>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:

DS>>Riding up the hill leading to my
DS>>house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
DS>>the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
DS>>the Spagthorpe Viking).

DS>        I must have missed the article on the Spagthorpe Viking.  Was
DS>that the one with the little illuminated Dragon's Head on the front
DS>fender, a style later copied by Indian, and the round side covers?

No. Not at all. The Viking was a trick little unit made way back when
(forties? fifties?) when Spag was trying to make a go of it in racing.
The first iteration (the Springer) was a boxer twin, very similar to Max
Friz's famous design, but with an overhead "point cam" (see below for
more on the valvetrain). The problem was that the thing had no ground
clearance whatsoever. The solution was to curve the cylinder bores, so
that the ground clearance was substantially increased:


      ==@==   <-Springer motor (front)
                 Viking motor (front) ->   \=@=/

This is roughly the idea, except that the bores were gradually curved
around a radius, as the pistons were loath to make a sharp-angled turn
in the middle of their stroke. The engine also had curved connecting
rods to accomodate the stroke.

The engine stuck out so far because of its revolutionary (and still
unique) overhead cam system. Through the use of clever valve timing and
and extrordinarily trick valve linkage, only a single cam lobe was
required to drive both overhead valves.

Just as revolutionary was the hydraulic valve actuation, which used a
pressurized stream of oil to power the "waterwheel" which kept the lobe
spinning over. One side effect that required some rather brutal
engineering fixes was that until the engine's oil pressure came up to
normal, the engine's valve timing would be more or less random,
resulting in some impressive start-up valve damage. The solution was a
little hand crank that pressurized the cases before you started the
beast, remarkably similar to the system used in new Porsches to
pressurize the oil system before the car is started (the cage, however,
uses an electric oil pump. Wimps).

Despite this fix, the engine had a nasty propensity for explosively
firing its valves into the pistons when a cylinder would temporarily
lose a bit of oil pressure in a corner. The solution was to run even
higher oil pressures and change the gaskets and seals regularly. This
was feasible because it was a racing engine.

With just a single overhead lobe, and no pushrod/shaft/chain towers
because of the hydraulic system, the head of the engine came to an
almost perfect point:

                    /\
                   /()\   <-lobe
                  / XX \  <-complex linkage (not shown due to
 valvestems ->   / \  / \    complexity)
                |  |   | |
                |  |===| |
                    =0=  <---piston
                     |
                             Note that the tip was not truly vertical
                             (it was at about a 70 degree angle to the
                             ground, and this drawing doesn't show the
                             curvature because there was none in the
                             head itself. The bore curve would start
                             about where the cylinder bore disappears in
                             this diagram


The effect of the pointy heads on top of a pair of gently (pundits of
the day even said sensuously) curved cylinders was much like a pair of
finned Viking horns poking out from beneath the gas tank. Thus, the
name.

The Vik was a moderately successful racer, lightning fast when it
worked, but plagued by problems relating to its revolutionary
technology. Eventually, it was dumped when Spag finally realized that
racing was not where the Spagthorpe name would be made. The machines
were raced for another year or two by privateers, and their fate
(approximately six Vikings were made, plus one or possibly two
Springers. Confusing the issue is one old Spag staffer who swears up and
down that this machine was tooled for production, and that as many as
twenty or thirty machines may have come off the line. However, no modern
record of a production Viking has survived, and most motorcycle
historians discount this story.

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
ryan.cousineau@compdyn.questor.org  |   Vancouver, BC, Canada   |Live . . .


 * SLMR 2.1a * If you aren't sliding, you aren't riding.
                                                                                                          
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104583
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks)

In article <1993Apr20.184432.21485@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>	For the same money, you can get a Kryptonite cable lock, which is
>anywhere from 1/2" to 7/8" thick steel cable (looks like steel rope), shielded
>in a flexible covering to protect your bike's finish, and has a barrel-type
>locking mechanism.  I don't know if it's adjustable, but my source says it's
>more difficult to pick than most locks, and the cable tends to squish flat
>in bolt-cutter jaws rather than shear (5/8" model).
>
>	FYI, I'll be getting a Krypto cable next paycheck.

A word of warning, though:  Kryptonite also sells almost useless cable
locks under the Kryptonite name.

When I obtained my second motorcycle, I migrated one of my Kryptonite 
U-locks from my bicycle to the new bike.  I then went out shopping for
a new lock for the bicycle.

For about the same money ($20) I had the choice of a Kryptonite cable lock
(advantages: lock front and back wheels on bicycle and keep them both,
Kryptonite name) or a cheesy no-name U-lock (advantages: real steel).
I chose the Kryptonite cable.  After less than a week, I took it back in
disgust and exchanged it for the cheesy no-name U-lock.

First, the Krypto cable I bought is not made by Kryptonite, is not covered by
the Kryptonite guarantee, and doesn't even approach Kryptonite standards of
quality and quality assurance.  It is just some generic made-in-Taiwan cable
lock with the Kryptonite name on it.

Secondly, the latch engagement mechanism is something of a joke.  I
don't know if mine was a particularly poor example, but it was often
quite frustrating to get the latch to positively engage, and sometimes
it would seem to engage, only to fall open when I went to unlock it.

Thirdly, the lock has a little plastic door on the keyway which serves
the sole purpose of frustrating any attempt to insert the key in the 
dark.  I didn't try it (obviously), but I have my doubts that the 
lock mechanism would stand up to an "insert screwdriver and TORQUE"
attack.

Fourthly, the cable was not, in my opinion, of sufficient thickness to 
deter theft (for my piece of crap bicycle, that is).  All cables suffer the
weakness that they can be cut a few strands at a time.  If you are patient
you can cut cables with fingernail clippers.  Aviation snips would go 
through the cable in well under a minute.



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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104584
From: pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last 

Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:

: Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Another newbie bites the dust, eh?  They'll learn.

Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was
in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag.

Most of the people who made this group interesting 3 or 4 years ago
are no longer around and I only have time to make a random sweep
once a week or so. Hence I missed most of this thread. 

Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm,
wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I
assumed you were serious. Mea culpa.

Still, it's nice to see that BNR are doing so well that they can afford
to overpay some contractors to sit and read news all day.


-- 
  ____________________________________________________________________
  Pete Young        	  pky@fmg.bt.co.uk        Phone +44 473 227151
    "Most people prefer entertaining nonsense to unexciting reality"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104585
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

In article <1993Apr19.193331.11327@sarvax.cmhnet.org>, frog@sarvax.cmhnet.org (Jeff 'Frog' Campbell) writes:
|> From article <C5px3n.Kw0@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers):
|> > 
|> > ObMotoWashing: Is it just me, or does everyone cut their finger(s) on the
|> > Evil Cotterpin (tm), lurking somewhere in the dark recesses of the back end
|> > of the bike, when giving the prized moto a bath?  I seem to slice the pinkie
|> > of one hand or the other *every* time (*both* of them this time!).
|> 
|> It's you. Beemers have no EC (tm).

OH yes they do! but considering i never wash my BMW (unless i need
to work on it) i never get cuts untill the tools come out.....
altho the best scar (now faded) was from the exhaust piper,
while try to change the oil, after overheating the engine (watch
out for idiot drivers that won't let you pass in the mountains
when you have a rider, case of oil (it was on sale), and case of 
beer), with a drain bolt that decided to seize.

just how does everyone else clean out the area under the transmission
on a BMW R bike? they only way i have found is to remove the
engine and transmission. that and the clutch arm are impossible to
clean (which is wear one of the EC (s&m) are located).


laz
Ps anyone know where i can get the heads polished and ported
cheap. also how much should that run.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104586
From: fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields)
Subject: Question????

This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene
I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD? 

					Thanks,

					Jonathan D. Fields
					fields@cis.ohio-state.edu


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104587
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?

In article <C5KxAL.IzC@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>  I beleive it's called the "Dentabox" frame. 
>
>Nothing some putty and paint won't fix.

  This from someone riding a GSXR?  Gutsy.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104588
From: rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert)
Subject: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
(read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).

This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
I want her to hold onto me  :-)   rather than the grab rail out back, and
I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional
signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???

I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that
she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated...

Thanks,
        -Bob-
-- 
Bob Wert        rmw@genie.gene.com        rwert@well.sf.ca.us
DoD#0302        AMA#510680      '90 Ninja 750R        '89 Mustang 5.0LX
  ...Seven turns on the highway, Seven rivers to cross,
     Sometimes you feel like you can fly away, Sometimes you get lost...

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104589
From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: Yamaha vs Honda opinions



I am in hte market for a new bike (been without for a few years).
The two main bikes I'm looking at seriously are
The Yamaha Virago 535 and the Honda Shadow VLX 583. 
I am leaning towards the Yamaha for its shaft drive, the Honda is Chain.
Insurance in Fla. is more costly than I thought, so I am staying in this
power range. Thanks in advance for any opinions and or experiences

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104590
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

|> 
|> So, Take you own advice and wuit you whining about
|> flames.
|> 

No brains and he can't spell either.

.edu?? I hope you're not a student at Duke...
you would be wasting your tuition.


===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104591
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <13516@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, 
|get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your 
|whining.
|
|Fine.
|
|Fuck off too.
|
|If you noticed, it was in 91, more than two years ago,
|and YES, I've learned, and it's cost me.
|
|And yes, I've known people (friends and relatives) who've
|been involved in drunk-related accidents (not them, they were hit)
|and my cousin is still recovering.
|
|No, I can't take back what happened.
|
|Yes, it was stupid.
|
|But, by reminding me about it all the time, you're
|neither helping me or yourself, so stuff your opinion.

Hey, man, you brought it up.  I agree completely, driving drunk is really
stupid, and I understand and appreciate that you feel bad about it.  But
DWI is endemic in our society.  It is a REAL problem.  And we, as 
motorcyclists, can be in the worst of vulnerable positions around a drunk
driver.  (Alert readers might remember that last year I witnessed a DWI
accident (right bloody in front of me), and was unable to save the life 
of one of the participants, as I reported here.)  Also, drunk driving by
motorcyclists is a prime cause of their injury and death, which raises the
insurance rates, forces stupidly restrictive laws, and turns the public
against those of us who ride responsibly.

In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence.
It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue,
but a genuine safety issue.  So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto,
admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the 
consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104592
From: stefan@prague (Stefan Fielding-Isaacs)
Subject: Racelist: WHO WHAT WHERE


 Greetings fellow motorcycle roadracing enthusiasts!

 BACKGROUND
 ----------

 The racing listserver (boogie.EBay.sun.com) contains discussions 
 devoted to racing and racing-related topics. This is a pretty broad 
 interest group. Individuals have a variety of backgrounds: motojournalism, 
 roadracing from the perspective of pit crew and racers, engineering,
 motosports enthusiasts.

 The size of the list grows weekly. We are currently at a little
 over one hundred and eighty-five members, with contributors from
 New Zealand, Australia, Germany, France, England, Canada
 Finland, Switzerland, and the United States.

 The list was formed (October 1991) in response to a perceived need 
 to both provide technical discussion of riding at the edge of 
 performance (roadracing) and to improve on the very low signal-to-noise 
 ratio found in rec.motorcycles. Anyone is free to join.

 Discussion is necessarily limited by the rules of the list to 
 issues related to racing motorcycles and is to be "flame-free".  

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104593
From: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: KREME

In article <1993Apr14.143716.18174@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Hi folks!		
>
>Recently saw one post about KREME being a *bad idea*, but that was only	
>one man's opinion.  	
>
>Any one else have any experience with the stuff?	
>
>

On my 59 sporty I had some pinhole leaks open up on the back seam.  I kreme
it about a year ago and have had no problems at all.  Be real careful as
the cleaning part of the solution is hell on paint.
  -Jim

-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104594
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:

>In article <oXZ12B1w164w@cellar.org> craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig)  
>writes:
>> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>> 

>Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley.
>Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my
>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>other, from what I can tell.


  When we take a hand off the bars we fall down!

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       








Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104595
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?

In <ramarren-150493134758@kops.apple.com> ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi) writes:

>>Can someone tell me what a deltabox frame is, and what relation that has,
>>if any, to the frame on my Hawk GT?  That way, next time some guy comes up
>>to me in some parking lot and sez "hey, dude, nice bike, is that a deltabox
>>frame on there?" I can say something besides "duh, er, huh?"


  I beleive it's called the "Dentabox" frame. 

Nothing some putty and paint won't fix.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       







Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104596
From: vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Von Welch)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18

In article <1993Apr15.164644.7348@hemlock.cray.com>, ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:
|> 
|> How about someone letting me know MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #19 ?
|> 
|> The far side of my instrument panel was scuffed when the previous owner
|> dumped the bike. Same is true for one of the turn signals.
|> 
|> Both of the scuffed areas are black plastic.
|> 
|> I recall reading somewhere, that there was some plastic compound you could coat
|> the scuffed areas with, then rub it down, ending with a nice smooth shiny 
|> finish ?
|> 

In the May '93 Motorcyclist (pg 15-16), someone writes in and recomends using
rubberized undercoating for this. 

-- 
Von Welch (vwelch@ncsa.uiuc.edu)	NCSA Networking Development Group
'93 CBR600F2			'78 KZ650		'83 Subaru GL 4WD

- I speak only for myself and those who think exactly like me -

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104597
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article L2A@well.sf.ca.us, pstone@well.sf.ca.us (Philip K. Stone) writes:
>
>Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins
>left to go left?  :-)  Or am I confusing two threads here?

Three, actually.  I believe I discussed countersteering a horse
before.

Basically, there are two ways to steer a horse, plow-rein and
neck-rein.  Plow-reining steers him by keeping the reins separate, and
you pull in the direction you wish to go.  Neck-reining steers a horse
by holding the reins together in one hand, and pulling against the
horse's neck in the direction you wish to go.  When training a
plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins
under his necks.  Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein
pulls against the right side of the neck, but the left side of the bit
(which the horse is used to from his plow-reining days).

Are you sorry you asked yet?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104598
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

In article 734919391@u.washington.edu, moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley) writes:
>
>So what should I carry if I want to comply with intelligent helmet laws?

Take up residence in a fantasy world. 

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104599
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Moving On

Well, it's been fun. This is my last day at Bellcore and
It will be a while before I have net access again (taking
time off and scheduling Military Schools for the summer
on joint operations, and anything else that looks good).
I have had a blast reading, responding and commenting on
things posted here. My final say is 9mm's are inferior
to .45's errr oh wrong news group. Hopefully I'll be back.
I guess "internet withdrawl" starts around 1pm or so and
considering I never knew inet existed 2 years ago I am
really going to miss it. 

OH yea, to the guy who called me this morning about the
"Military issue" boots, good luck, I think you will be
happy with the tankers boots.
-- 
##########################################################
There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES 
                 and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH	DoD #956   #2 Next raise
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104600
From: jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito)
Subject: Re: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?


In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:

   Request for opinions:	

   Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?


   We're looking for more than "Well, the 2-pc is more versatile, but the 
   1-pc is better protection,..."	

   Thanks in advance,
   Nadine


What is best? Books have been written on that! But in regard to
AeroStich it really depends on your particular size, shape and needs.
If you upper and lower body are not proportional (according to aero
dimensions) then it probably is going to be better mixing and matching
the 2 piece suit. I have the 2 piece suit and I am very happy with it.
Having my life quota of scars from crashing off road, I am very
concerned with good protection and I believe that the difference in
protection between the 1 and 2 piece suits is almost negligible. I
think the optional hip pads and back protector make much more of a
difference. One thing that is nice about the 2 piece is if you go
somewhere and then want to walk around for a while (still with jacket)
you can just detach and stow the pants. 

One thing to note is that Goldfine has problems getting a good fit for
many women (with standard suits). Supposedly for smaller women (and
petite men for that matter) the 1 piece will fit better. 

Another recommendation is to pay for mods if you need them. I wish I
got 2-3 inches added to my pant legs. I find the Long suits are not
really that long (I can't imagine how short the standard suits must
be). 

--
Jonathan E. Polito 		    Internet: jpolito@encore.com
Encore Computer Corp, 901 Kildaire Farm Rd, Cary, NC  27511  USA
919-481-3730/voice  				919-481-3868/FAX

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104601
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc

In article 1@cs.cmu.edu, jfriedl+@RI.CMU.EDU (Jeffrey Friedl) writes:
>egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>|> 
>|> An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>|> thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it." 
>
>I can see the liability of putting stickers on the car while it was moving,
>or something, but it's the BDI that chooses to start and then drive the car
>in a known unsafe condition that would (seem to be) liable. 

An effort was made to remove the sticker.  It came to pieces, leaving
most of it firmly attached to the window.  It was dark, and around
10:00 pm.  The sticker (before being mangled in an ineffective attempt
to be torn off) warned the car would be towed if not removed.  A
"reasonable person" would arguably have driven the car.  Had an
accident occured, I don't think my friend's attorney would have much
trouble fixing blame on the apartment mangement.

As a practical matter, even without a conviction, the cost and
inconvenience of defending against the suit would be considerable.

As a moral matter, it was a pretty fucking stupid thing to do for so
paltry a violation as parking without an authorization sticker (BTW, it
wasn't "somebody's" spot, it was resident-only, but unassigned,
parking).

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104602
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?

In article 150493174345@17.127.11.85, jamesf@apple.com (Jim Franklin) writes:
>
>I can file a complaint about this? And actually have the chance to have
>something done? How? Who? Where?

A traffic citation is an accusation of having committed a crime.
That's why they have to go through the motions of having a trial if you
want one, you are still innocent until proven guilty.  Cops are not the
only ones who can accuse people of committing crimes, anyone who
witnesses a crime can do so.

Go to the Highway Patrol and explain the situation, give them a
description of the car and the license number, and tell them the
specific violation of the law which you witnessed and wish to prosecute
(ie, search the Vehicle Code and have the section number handy).  Fill
out the ticket and sign it.  It will go through the same system any
ticket a cop writes goes through.  If contested, you will have to
appear in court to prosecute.  Your word will not carry the same weight
as a cop's.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104603
From: michaelb@compnews.co.uk (Michael Burton)
Subject: Performance Bike Frenzy at Cadwell

Is anyone going to the P.B frenzy at Cadwell park in May.
I am going, but only to watch.


--
	When asked what would I most want to try before doing it, 
		     	    I said Death. 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104604
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
>
>I was able to avoid an accident by revving my engine and having my
>*stock* Harley pipes make enough noise to draw someones attention.
>
>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
>how long it would take me to push my horn button??

If we do, I think you'd loose.  Sure, you're hand's already on the
throttle.  And your thumb is already near the horn button.  Pushing the
horn button is one simple move.  Revving the throttle requires either
engaging the clutch, or accelerating.  The first is a more complex
manuver than a simple horn button push, and the second ain't too bright
when there is a potential hazard ahead.  Besides, the unique sound of a
horn is more effective in attracting the attention of BDI cagers than
is the sound of an engine, which is what they expect to hear (you are
on the road!).

As is usually the case, a single anecdote hardly constitutes sound
safety procedure.

The answer is 161.33 feet.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104605
From: Brian.Vaughan@um.cc.umich.edu (Brian Vaughan)
Subject: For Sale: Kawasaki EX500 (Michigan)

                             * FOR SALE *
                        From Ann Arbor, Michigan

1988 Kawasaki EX-500 
6682 miles
Cherry Red
Excellent condition
Asking $2300

Contact Brian at (313) 747-1604 (days)  
                 (313) 434-7284 (evenings & weekends)
              or e-mail at vaughan@umich.edu...or reply to this post.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104606
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: BDI Experience

Sebastian C Sears, on the Tue, 13 Apr 1993 02:32:13 GMT wibbled:

:                  ... Came around a right hand sweeper (going around
: 	45 mph) only to find a cager going around 30 mph, calmly driving 
:       along, with no other traffic around, in *my* lane. Not crossing 
:       the line, not swerving, fully and totally within the south-bound 
:       lane of 9W (one lane each direction). 


And I haven't even got there yet.  Must have been some other Brit...
--

Nick (the English Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Left is Right

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104607
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

Mike Sixsmith, on the 16 Apr 93 10:07:55 GMT wibbled:

[ very interesting (yawn) stuff deleted, because I'm like that... ]

: Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to
: be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering
: theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
: the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.
: And that was my original point.

: Mike


I am in complete concordance with you there, Mike.  I was a Silver StarRider
instructor, for a while.  I learn't about countersteering last year
and I have been riding bikes since 1976.  We were never told about
countersteering when being taught to instruct.  It doesn't seem to have
affected me or my friends or pupils.  We just rode in blissful ignorance.
--

Nick (the Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford

M'Lud.

  ___	___   ___   ___
 {"_"} {"_"} {"_"} {"_"}	  Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.
  ' `	` '   ' `   ` '		  Currently incarcerated at BNR,
  ___	___   ___   ___		  Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.
 |"_"| |"_"| |"_"| |"_"|	  npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
  ` '	' `   ` '   ' `		  Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
	    .
   _ _		_  __ .
  / ~ ~~\   |  / ~~  \
 |_______|    [_______|
	   _:_
	  |___|


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104608
From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <viking.734937529@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>
>mere 20mph or so, gravel road with few loose rocks on it (as in,
>just like bad concrete), and 2200lbs of swinging beef jumped a
>fence, came out of the ditch, and rammed me!  When I saw her jump
>the fence I went for the gas, since she was about 20 feet ahead
>of me but a good forty to the side.  Damn cow literally chased me
>down and nailed me.  No damage to cow, a bent case guard and a
>severely annoyed rider were the only casualties.  If I had my
>shotgun I'd still be eating steak.  Nope, if 2200lbs of cow
>can hit me when I'm actively evading, forget a much more
>manueverable dog.  Just run them over.
>

One day out riding, my friend and i were passing a field of goats and
noticed 2 out on the road. As we slowed to pass the ram made a dash at 
my friend just missing him and then tangling it self up in the barb wire
fence. Being good samaritains and generally nice guys we turned around to 
untrangle the goat from the barbed wire. As I pulled up next to him
(seeing him still tangled up), stopped the bike and got off the Goat had
vanished (into the field I guess).

		Jolly Roger


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104609
From: jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)

--
In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu 
(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
|>>
|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
|>>>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
|>>
|>>	Does this count?
|>
|>Yes.  He thought about it.
|>>
|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
|>>							 return...)

Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even 
tried to get my FAQ's straight.  Don't holler BOHICA at me!
 
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|     |\/\/\/|      ___________________                              |
|     |      |     /                   \                             |
|     |      |    /  Jamie W. Burnside  \     1980 CB900 Custom      |
|     | (o)(o)   (  jburnside@ll.mit.edu )    1985 KDX200 (SOLD!)    |
|     C      _) / \_____________________/     1978 CB400 (for sale)  |
|      | ,___| /                                                     |
|      |    /                                                        |
|      / __\                                                         |
|     /     \                                                        |
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104610
From: fist@iscp.bellcore.com (Richard Pierson)
Subject: Anti Freeze

Anti Freeze

I was wrong, still had the issue of "Street Rodder" in
my last pile. In the February 1991 issue on page 24 there
is an advirtisement for anti freeze.
 
AND IT MAKES A GREAT PARTY MIXER
The Neo Synthetic Oil Company has a reputation for
developing overkill priducts the protect and extend
the life of mechinical things, and here is there latest
development. Propylene Glycol, probably the finest radiator 
coolant available. After 100,000 miles of testing, they find
it has a boiling point of 365 degrees (much higher than
conventional coolants)- which helps elminate detonation and 
pinging, it allows the use of smaller radiators in race cars,
it will not damage aluminum blocks or heads, and it is 
environmentally safe. Yep, this is the good stuff.
Baker Precision Products
Dept SRM
2865 Gundry Ave
Long Beach Ca 90806
[213] 427-2375

I neither endorse or unendorse the above product, I only
copied the advert blurb for others info, YMMV
-- 
##########################################################
There are only two types of ships in the NAVY; SUBMARINES 
                 and TARGETS !!!
#1/XS1100LH	DoD #956   #2 Next raise
Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063
Internet: fist@iscp.bellcore.com,|| UUNET:uunet!bcr!fist  
#include <std.disclaimer> My opinions are my own!!!
I Don't shop in malls, I BUY my jeans, jackets and ammo
in the same store.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104611
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article 734954875@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>
>Secondly, it is the adhesion of the
>tyre on the road, the suspension geometry  and the ground clearance of the
> motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and
>not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously
>suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster
>or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise??

If he's not, I will.  Put two riders on identical machines.  It's the
one who knows what he's doing, and why, that will be faster.  It *may*
be possible to improve your technique if you have no idea what it is,
through trial and error, but it is not very effective methodology.
Only by understanding the technique of steering a motorcycle can one
improve on that technique (I hold that this applies to any human
endeavor).

>that's all it is - an interesting bit of knowledge, and to claim that
>it is essential for all bikers to know it, or that you can corner faster
>or better as a result, is absurd.

Do you consider an understanding of the physics of traction absurd?
Are you seriously suggesting that one can form a traction management
policy without understanding what it is or what factors increase or
decrease available traction?  Braking?

It is highly unlikely that any biker is going to develop his maximum
swerving ability without any knowledge of turning techniques.  For most
of his riding life this may not be a problem, but in an emergency
situation it is very definately placing him at a disadvantage.

>But by including countersteering
>theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
>the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.

I disagree.  The existance and immense success of riding courses which
teach the technique indicate that the concept can be taught in a manner
that is neither confusing, nor detracts from any other aspects of the
course.

>And that was my original point.

Perhaps, but in the ensuing discussion, you strayed far from that
point, to claim that knowledge of steering technique is irrelevant to a
rider's ability.  I find this assertion ludicrous.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104612
From: nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby)
Subject: Re: BMW battery

: In article <1993Apr14.181352.6246@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
: >If I remember correctly, the reason that BMW's come with those expensive,
: >and relatively worthless, short lived Varda batteries, is 'cause BMW owns
: >a controling interest in that battery Manufacturer.                 

: What's wrong with the BMW battery? I've never had problems and I know
: numerous people that are still using the original battery in there
: 8-10 year old beemers.

THe original battery in an 8-10 year old BMW may be fine.  Mine lasted many
years.  The replacement 30AH battery from BMW was a disaster.  The mechanic
from Comp. Acc. told me that CA would warantee replace the bad one with a
new one of the same evil bad batteries and tell the customer if they have
problems to bring it back and they'd do it again.  It seems that many of
those 30AH batteries were DOA, near-DOA, and always unlikely to be going
strong by the end of the warantee period on them.  THere was a big batch of
bad ones, and they replaced them with -you guessed it - more bad ones.  BMW
switched to a 25AH battery that has more cold cranking amps, even if it has
less total juice.  

I switched to a YUASA that has even more cold cranking amps and cost one
third fewer dollars.


Neil Kirby      DoD #0783       nak@archie.cbusa.att.com
AT&T Bell Labs  Columbus OH     USA (614) 860-5304
If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104613
From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (RPH)
Subject: Power Arc II Ignition, Super E Carb

Now the bike is off warranty, I finally replaced the stock items on my
Softail Custom with the title ones. Installation was pretty easy in
both cases, even for a fairly non-mechanical chemist type dude like me!
 I discovered the limitations of my tool collection, but had fun buying
and making the requisite tools!

MC Ignitions Power Arc II Single Fire Ignition: easy to install, but
read the wiring diagram carefully!  Setting the static timing was a
piece of cake.  Once installed, I have found easier starting, smoother
idle, and more power, plus a more satisfying (to me) bass note in the
exhaust register...a lovely whompa-whompa-whompa idle  :-)
The folks at MC Ignitions were great in answering my dumb questions on
the phone..... a very helpful bunch of guys with a great product.

S&S Super E Carb: installation easy, once I hacked down an Allen wrench
to a small anough reach to get at the intake manifold bolts. Tunes like
a dream, just like they say!  The stock carb (non-adjustable) was so
lean that it was gasping and spluttering for gas sometimes, and even
backfiring into the intake manifold. The Super E is terrific, no
hesitation in any gear, and my plugs are a lovely tan color with no
need to rejet from the factory settings!

I know this may not seem like much to you grizzled veteran wrenchers
out there, but I had my bike in so many pieces this weekend I began to
get worried. But it all went back together again, and runs like a
dream, so I am feeling pretty happy.

Now all I have to do is install my BUB pipes and try to pass the NH
Noise Gestapo Test!


Russ Hughes  '92 FXSTC  DoD# 6022(10E20)
"Love ...yeah, that's the feeling you get when you like something
as much as your motorcycle."
                                --Sonny Barger

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104615
From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

In regards ot some of the posts concerning bias in articles of k bikes
versis /2's or boxers of a later date or whatever.. Jeezzz, Lighten up!
I wrote the slash two blues for a bit of humor which seems to be lacking
in the MOA Owners News, when most of the stuff is "I rode the the first
day, I saw that, I rode there the second day, I saw this" 
any body out there know were the sense if humor went in people?
I though I still had mine, but I dunno... 
Regards 
Craig Vechorik
BMW MOA Ambassador #9462
DOD #843
And hey, I just want ya'll to vote.. O.K.? for SOMEBODY instead of throwing
it in the trash...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104616
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1qmetg$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
[...]
>horse's neck in the direction you wish to go.  When training a
>plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins
>under his necks.  Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein
           ^^^^^
[...]
>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
[...]


Given my desire to stay as far away as possible from farming and ranching
equipment, I really hate to jump into this thread.  I'm going to anyway,
but I really hate it.

Ed, exactly what kind of mutant horse-like entity do you ride, anyway?
Does countersteering work on the normal, garden-variety, one-necked horse?

Obmoto:  I was flipping through the March (I think) issue of Rider, and I
saw a small pseudo-ad for a book on hand signals appropriate to motorcycling.
It mentioned something about a signal for "Your passenger is on fire."  Any
body know the title and author of this book, and where I could get a copy?
This should not be understood as implying that I have grown sociable enough
to ride with anyone, but the book sounded cute.




-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104617
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: Recommendation for a front tire.

Hey folks--

I've got a pair of Dunlop sportmax radials of my ZX-10, and they've been
very sticky (ie no slides yet), but all this talk about the Metzelers has
me wondering if my next set should be a Lazer comp K and a radial Metzeler
rear...for hard sport-touring, how do the choices stack up?

Nathaniel
ZX-10
DoD 0812
AMA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104618
From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers)
Subject: Re: Ducati 400 opinions wanted


In a previous article, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) says:

>In article <1qhm02$mbs@news.ysu.edu> ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers) writes:
>>In a previous article, markb@wc.novell.com (M. Burnham) says:

>>>Ducati 400's are REALLY slow.  They don't sell them over here in US,
>>>but considering that the 750SS is not too powerful, the 400 is gonna'
>>>be a dog.

>>Oh yeah, 12.10 at 108 mph in the quarter is such a slug.  Come on, when was
>>the last time you used your 750s max power peak?  I think maybe you should
>>ride one first, before passing judgement, there is a lot more than just
>>maximum acceleration. 

>I guess I'm out of touch, but what exactly is the Ducati 400? A v-twin
>desmo, or is it that half-a-v-twin with the balance weight where the 2nd
>cylinder would go? A 12 second 1/4 for a 400 isn't bad at all.

Sorry, I should have been more specific.  The 750 SS ran the quater in
12.10 @ 108.17.  The last small V-twin Duc we got in the US (and the 400 is
a Pantah based V-twin) was the 500SL Pantah, and it ran a creditable 13.0 @
103.  Modern carbs and what not should put the 400 in the high 12s at 105.

BTW, FZR 400s ran mid 12s, and the latest crop of Japanese 400s will out
run that.  It's hard to remember, but but a new GOOF2 will clobber an old
KZ1000 handily, both in top end and roll-on.  Technology stands still for
no-one...

-- 
Al Bowers  DOD #900  Alfa  Ducati  Hobie  Kottke  'blad  Iaido  NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
                                             -Mary Chapin-Carpenter

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104619
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article <1qmi34$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 5049@cvbnetPrime.COM, tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
[...]
>>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
>>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
>>how long it would take me to push my horn button??
>
[...]
>
>The answer is 161.33 feet.
>
>---
>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
[...]

Try something like 24.2 feet. 

EdGetACalculator



-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104620
From: craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig)
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)

cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes:

> Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the 
> the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
> (I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)
> 
> Just wanting ride at a more relaxed RPM.

	It can be done, contact Chaparell cycle supply, they ought to have
the sprocket you need/want for cheap, well much cheaper than your average
dealership. Hey they even had sprockets for my VF1000R which is hard to find
accesssories for. 

					-Craig. 


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104621
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:

>blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are
>long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end?

>I eagerly await comment.


Well, my driveway is... Just keep an eye out for the blue GLH Turbo that 
utilizes the "hit-the-ground-running" merging technique. 
At least I don't have a dog that you need worry about.

Last week while entering a sand/gravel covered intersection in the country, 
I caught something unkosher out of the corner of my eye (you know that 
disgusting sensation when great, as-of-yet unidentified, evil is about to 
intimately acquaint itself with you-- kind of like knowing that that darkening 
shadow around you just cannot possibly be anything even remotely good, because
it probably has something to do with a Boeing 747 behaving, gravitationally
speaking, much like a brick).  Negotiating my way into this intersection that 
somehow reminded me of Daytona beach (sans H2O, sun, & babes) I manage to get a
glance at my impending destiny.  Lucifer's own DOG.  Hell's secret blend
of canine-- Doberman and Rottweiler (it moved with the grace of a Doberman,
yet had the hulk and jowels of the Rottweiler-- a creature with a definite
*wrong* end to be at).  The picture in my mirrors was fuzzy, but there was no 
mistaking the fangs and saliva trail.  
To shorten a verbose tale, my burly gaurdian-angels once again performed above
and beyond the call of duty, carried the bike through the sand-trap (I honestlyhave no idea how), and left the minion of Beelzebub with a face that 
suspiciously resembles a Metzler tread.  No blood, though-- Rats.

Moral: I'm not really sure, but more and more I believe that bikers ought 
       to be allowed to carry handguns.

-Erc.

_______________________________________________________________________________
C Eric Sundheim
GrandRapids, MI, USA
`90 Hondo VFR750f
DoD# 1138
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104622
From: DEHP@calvin.edu (Phil de Haan)
Subject: Re: European M/C Insurance

>--
>H. Marc Lewis               | "There are two kinds of people in the world --
>Olivetti North America      | those who divide everything in the world into
>marcl@mail.spk.olivetti.com | two kinds of things and those who don't"
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I thought it was:  "There are two kinds of people in the world.  Those who 
think there are two kinds of people and those who don't."


And then there's:  "There are three kinds of people in the world.  Those who 
like math and those who don't."

Obmoto:  Michigan weather forecast for Saturday:  high in the low 40s, 
chance of snow flurries, showers possible.  Enjoy the weather where you 
are.  Have a ride on me.


       Phil de Haan (DoD #0578) Why yes.  That is my 1974 Honda CL360.
=============================================================================
  "That's the nature of being an executive in America.  You have to rely on
    other people to do something you used to do yourself." -- Donald Fehr,
        executive director, Major League Baseball Players Association.
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104623
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago)
Subject: Route Suggestions?

As I won't be able to make the Joust this summer (Job related time 
conflict :'^{   ), I plan instead on going to the Rider Rally in 
Knoxville.

I'll be leaving from Chicago. and generally plan on going down along
the Indiana/Illinois border into Kentucky and then Tennessee.  I would 
be very interested in hearing suggestions of roads/routes/areas that 
you would consider "must ride" while on the way to Knoxville.

I can leave as early as 5/22 and need to arrive in Knoxville by 6PM
on 5/25.  That leaves me a pretty good stretch of time to explore on 
the way.

By the way if anyone else is going, and would like to partner for the 
ride down, let me know.  I'll be heading east afterward to visit family, 
but sure don't mind company on the ride down to the Rally.  Depending on 
weather et al. my plan is motelling/tenting thru the trip.

From the Rally I'll be heading up the Blue Ridge Parkway, then jogging
into West Va (I-77) to run up 219 -> Marlington, 28 -> Petersburg, 
55E -> I-81/I-66E.  After this point the route is presently undetermined
into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6).  Suggestions 
for these areas would be of great interest also.

Many thanks for your ideas,

Enjoy,

---
Steve Bunis,  Sun Microsystems     ***DoD #0795***	93-ST1100
              Itasca, IL	  ***AMA #682049***	78-KZ650
	(ARE YOU SURE THIS IS APRIL??????  B^|  )


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104624
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Subject: Re: where to put your helmet

>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 18:25:00 GMT, ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  said:
CB>        DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
CB>        FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!

Ryan> Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not.

This is very bad advice.  Helmets have two major impact absorbing
layers... a hard outer shell and a closed-cell foam impact layer.
Most helmets lose their protective properties because the inner liner
compacts over time, long before the outer shell is damaged or
delaminates from age.  Dr. Hurt tested helmets for many years
following his landmark study and has estimated that a helmet can lose
up to 80% of it's effectiveness from inner liner compression.  I have
a video he produced that discusses this phenomenon in detail.

Puncture compression of the type caused by mirrors, sissy bars, and
other relatively sharp objects is the worst offender.  Even when the
comfort liner is unaffected, dents and holes in the foam can seriously
degrade the effectiveness of a helmet.  If you are in the habit of
"parking your lid" on the mirrors, I suggest you look under the
comfort liner at the condition of the foam.  If it is significantly
damaged (or missing :-), replace the helmet.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104625
From: dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist

In article <C5r7Ey.7Mq@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:
>
>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"?            

Tough question -- more dangerous than driving a car, and far more
dangerous if you don't apply a modicum of intelligence to the 
activity.  Basically, stupidity will get you hurt/killed a lot
faster on a motorcycle than in a car.  But with care, it is
not unreasonably dangerous.  Also, buying good protective
clothing is helpful, that way if something does go wrong,
you are likely to be less severely injured.

First thing, if possible take a (MSF) driver training course,
this will get you started on the right foot -- they teach
control of the vehicle and safe riding practices.

Second, buy protective gear.  At minimum a good helmet
and a pair of leather gloves are a must.  A good sturdy 
piece of footgear is also very helpful, though leather hiking
boots, a pair of old army boots, or something similar works fine
for this purpose as long as you make sure the laces stay 
tied.  After those, a leather jacket and leather pants or chaps
are nice as well; but these are also expensive items.  For the
pants, many people consider a good pair of jeans to be reasonable,
preferably recent and of a fairly heavy weight.  Similarly for
a jacket, a good jean jacket is a reasonable compromise, though
more people tend to have leather jackets around than pants.  Another
thing to do is drop in on garage sales looking for a second-hand
leather jacket.  Look for a fairly thick leather in these items.

Third don't do anything stupid -- don't ride after 
drinking, even one drink can noticeably affect you judgement
and balance; don't ride in the snow, or when conditions
are such that black ice is likely; be very careful riding
in the rain -- slow way down, take corners gingerly, 
brake early and gently;  try not to ride if you are sick,
tired, taking any medication with drowsiness warnings, or
otherwise not in average shape.

With care, you should be ok.

>The next question I have is what bike would you recommend for
>a first time rider. I don't want to race; nor do I want to
>ride cross country; nor do I want to ride on dirt trails. I'll
>probably drive it on back roads with occasional rides on city
>streets and freeways. The maximum I can spend is about $2500 so
>I'll be looking at a used bike.

I would suggest mid to late 80's japanese mid-sized standard.
Something in 400-650 cc range would probably be reasonable.  If
you are shorter/lighter than average, you might want to go as
low as a 300-400 cc bike.

Possible models: 
The Suzuki GS### series (eg. GS500, GS650, etc.).  These are generally
inline 4 bikes, generally dependable except for a tendency to 
weakness in the charging system.  (Stator and/or Regulator/Rectifier 
problems.)  My first bike was a (about '82) GS650, it server me well.

The Honda Nighthawk series (this may also be known as the CB### series
I think).  eg. Honda CB450, CB650, etc.  This is another series of
standard motorcycles.  Also fairly dependable.

Kawasaki and Yamaha probably have similar bikes, but I don't know
them as well.

For mid to late '80s models of the above, you should be able to
buy the bike for under $2000, leaving you money for protective 
clothing and insurance and licensing costs.

Hope this helps,
-David
(dagibbs@qnx.com)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104626
From: raible@nas.nasa.gov (Eric Raible)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion


In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:

   I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
   This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
   (read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
   fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).

I'd say this is a very bad idea - you should start out with something
much mellower so that neither one of you get in over your head.
That particular road requires full concentration - not the sort of
thing you want to take a passenger on for the first time.

Once you both decide that you like riding together, and want to do
something longer and more challenging, *then* go for a hard core road
like Mines-Mt. Hamilton.

In any case, it's *your* (moral) responsibility to make sure that she
has proper gear that fits - especially if you're going sport
riding.

- Eric

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104627
From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

In article <13612@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
:>Curtis JAckson pens...
:>
:>"MSF course...$140"
:
:Shyah!
:
:The one here only costs $35!
:
:(Izzat a deal or what?! :)


They are free in Philadelphia....   :-)

-- 
   '81 CB650 						DoD #1224

	   I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104628
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)

In article <1993Apr20.195116.123380@locus.com> dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
>In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
>>
>>>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>>       ^^^^^^
>>    excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.
>
>
>Squids are everybody but me and you.  Chris Behanna is especially a squid.

	Hey, Dana!  Long time, no read.  I'm afraid the squid rating has
gone up slightly since getting the Ninja, but I'm trying very hard to restrain
myself--the bodywork is just too damned expensive (knock, knock).

	At least it's quiet...

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104629
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <speedy.155@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
|
|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her 
|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!

Geez, what happened?  She got a ticket for driving too slow???

| ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

Oh, are you saying you're not an edu.breath, then?  Okay.


Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104630
From: frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro)
Subject: ST1100 ride

Sixteen days I had put off test driving the Honda ST1100.  Finally,
the 17th was a Saturday without much rain.  In fact it cleared up, 
became warm and sunny, and the wind died.  About three weeks ago, I
took a long cool ride on the Hawk down to Cycles! 128 for a test ride.
They had sold, and delivered, the demo ST1100 about fifteen hours
before I arrived.  And the demo VFR was bike-locked in the showroom --
surrounded by 150 other bikes, and not likely to move soon.

Today was different.  There were even more bikes.  50 used dirt bikes,
50 used street bikes, 35 cars, and a big tent full of Outlandishly Fat
Touring Bikes With Trailers were all squeezed in the parking lot.
Some sort of fat bike convention.  Shelly and Dave were running one
MSF course each, at the same time.  One in the classroom and one on
the back lot.  Plus, there was the usuall free cookout food that
Cycles! gives away every weekend in the summer.  Hmmm, it seemed like
a big moto party.

After about ten minutes of looking for Rob C, cheif of sales slime,
and another 5 minutes reading and signing a long disclosure/libility/
pray-to-god form I helped JT push the ST out into the mess in the
parking lot.  We went over the the controls, I put the tank bag from 
the Hawk into the right saddlebag, and my wife put everything else
into the left saddlebag.  ( Thats nice.... )  Having helped push the 
ST out to the lot, I thought it best to have JT move it to the edge of
the road, away from the 100+ bikes and 100+ people.  He rode it like a
bicycle!  'It cant be that heavy' I thought.

Well I was wrong.  As I sat on the ST, both feet down, all I could 
think was "big".  Then I put one foot up.  "Heavy" came to mind very
quickly.  With Cindy on the back -- was she on the back?  Hard to 
tell with seat three times as large as a Hawk seat -- the bike seemed
nearly out of control just idling on the side of the road.

By 3000 rpm in second gear, all the weight seemed to dissappear.  Even
on bike with 4.1 miles on the odometer, slippery new tires, and pads that 
did not yet bite the disks, things seems smooth and sure.  Cycles! is
on a section of 128 that few folks ever ride.  About 30 miles north
of the computer concentration, about five miles north of where I95
splits away, 128 is a lighly travelled, two lane limited access
highway.  It goes through heavily forested sections of Hamilton, 
Manchester-by-the-Sea and Newbury on its way to Gloucester.
On its way there, it meets 133, a road that winds from the sea about
30 miles inland to Andover.  On its way it goes through many
thoroughly New England spots.  Perfect, if slow, sport touring sections.

Cindy has no difficulty with speed.  3rd gear, 4th gear, purring along
in top gear.  This thing has less low rpm grunt that my Hawk.  Lane 
changes were a new experience.  A big heft is required to move this 
thing.  Responds well though.   No wallowing or complaint.  Behind the
fairing it was fairly quiet, but the helmet buffeting was
non-trivial.  Top gear car passing at 85mph was nearly effortless.
Smooth, smooth, smooth.   Not sure what the v4 sound reminds me of,
but it is pleasant.  If only the bars were not transmitting an endless
buzz.

The jump on to 133 caused me to be less than impressed with the
brakes.  Its a down hill, reversing camber, twice-reversing radius,
decreasing radius turn.  A real squeeze is needed on the front binder.  
The section of 133 we were on was tight, but too urban.  The ST works ok
in this section, but it shows its weight.  We went by the clam shack
oft featured in "Spencer for Hire" -- a place where you could really 
find "Spencer", his house was about 15 miles down 133.  After putting
through traffic for a while, we turned and went back to 128.

About half way through the onramp, I yanked Cindy's wrist, our singal
for "hold on tight".  Head check left,  time to find redline.  Second
gear gives a good shove.  Third too.  Fourth sees DoD speed with a 
short shift into top.  On the way to 133 we saw no cops and very light
traffic.  Did not cross into DoD zone because the bike was too new.
Well, now it had 25 miles on it, so it was ok.  Tried some high effort
lane changes, some wide sweeping turns.  Time to wick it up?  I went 
until the buffeting was threating to pull us off the seat.  And stayed
there.  When I was comfortable with the wind and the steering, 
I looked down to find an indicated 135mph.  Not bad for 2-up touring.

Beverly comes fast at more than twice the posted limit.  At the "get
off in a mile" sign, I rolled off the throttle and coasted.  I wanted
to re-adjust to the coming slowness.  It was a good idea:  there were
several manhole-sized patches of sand on the exit ramp.  Back to the 
slow and heavy behavior.  Cycles! is about a mile from 128.  I could 
see even more cars stacked up outside right when I got off.  I managed
to thread the ST through the cars to the edge of the concrete pad
out front.  Heavy.  It took way too much effort for Cindy and I to put
the thing on the center stand.  I am sure that if I used the side
stand the ST would have been on its side within a minute.


My demo opinion?  Heavy.  Put it on a diet.  Smooth, comfortable,
hardly notices the DoD speed.   I'd buy on for about $3000 less than 
list, just like it is.  Too much $ for the bike as it is.
-- 
	 Frank Evan Perdicaro 				Xyvision Color Systems
      Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.		101 Edgewater Drive
   inhouse: frank@marvin, x5572				Wakefield MA
outhouse: frank@contex.com, 617-245-4100x5572		018801285

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104631
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (The Beav)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

  [ some real stupid remarks ]
 ...
|> You and the Beav should lighten up (esp the Beav).  I agree that
 ...
  [ lots of serious dribble for no real reason ]
 ...

Hey, I don't really care, but when someone sends me
email telling me to fuck off, I get rather pissed.  If he posted
to the net, I could really care less, but sending mail
is just childish.  Mr. Infant(e) is just that, an infant.  Give 
him a few more years to grow up and maybe he'll learn some 
network etiquette.

If you can't stand the flames,
and you don't have the brains,
Stay out of the newsgroup.

Kind of catchy n'est pas?

-- 
===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104632
From: sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha)
Subject: Battery Charger


I just noticed that my halogen table lamp runs off 12 Volts.
The big thinngy that plugs into the wall says 12 Volts DC,  20mA

The question is: Can I trickle charge the battery on my CB650
with it?

I don't know the rating of the battery, but it is a factory
intalled one. 


Thanks,
Sanjay

-- 
   '81 CB650 						DoD #1224

	   I would give my right arm to be ambidextrous!

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104633
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Question????

In article <1r25ldINN9rp@frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu> fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) writes:
>This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene
>I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD? 

	This has to be a setup.  Lookit--same site as Arnie Skurow.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104634
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
>I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
>This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
>(read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
>fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).

	You sonuvabitch.  Rub it in, why don't you?  "We have great weather
and great roads here, unlike the rest of you putzes in the U.S.  Nyah, nyah,
nyah."

	:-) for the severely humor-impaired.

>This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
>of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
>I want her to hold onto me  :-)   rather than the grab rail out back, and
>I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
>turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional
>signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???

	You'll likely not notice her weight too much.  A piece of advice
for you:  don't be abrupt with the throttle.  No wheelies, accelerate a
wee bit more slowly than usual.  Consciously worry about spitting her off
the back.  It's as much your job to keep her on the pillion as it is hers,
and I guarantee she'll be put off by the bike ripping out from under her
when you whack it open.  Keep the lean angles pretty tame the first time
out too.  You and her need to learn each other's body English.  She needs
to learn what your idea is about how to take the turn, and you need to
learn her idea of "shit!  Don't crash now!" so you don't work at cross
purposes while leaned over.  You can work up to more aggressive riding over
time.

	A very important thing:  tell her to put her hand against the tank
when you brake--this could save you some severely crushed cookies.

Have fun,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104635
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted	  

In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes:
>
>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow 
>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has 
>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for 
>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way!

With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything
would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank
bag.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104636
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: OPINIONS WANTED -- HELP

What size dirtbikes did you ride? and for how long? You might be able to
slip into a 500cc bike. Like I keep telling people, though, buy an older,
cheaper bike and ride that for a while first...you might like a 500 Interceptor
as an example

Nathaniel
ZX-10
DoD 0812
AMA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104637
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

Tom Dietrich (txd@ESD.3Com.COM) wrote:
: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
: 
: >I bought it, I tried it:
: 
: >It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
: 
: >My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
: 
: Good, glad to hear it, I'm still studying it.
: 
: >I think life is now complete...The shaft drive weenies now
: >have no comeback when I discuss shaft effect.
: 
: Sure I do, even though I don't consider myself a weenie... 

---------------- rip! pithy "I'm afraid to work on my bike" stuff deleted ---

: There is also damn little if any shaft effect
: with a Concours. So there! :{P PPPpppphhhhhttttttt!!!
: 
Heh, heh...that's pretty funny. So what do you call it instead of shaft
effect?


Nathaniel
ZX-10  <--- damn little if any shaft effect
DoD 0812
AMA

p.s. okay, so it's flame bait, so what

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104638
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) wrote:

> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!

	The statement above is _true_ to the spirit of the list because
	it is a false statement.  Misinformation: that's the spirit, Bill.

	My /5 will do wheelies because it's a chain drive model.   

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104639
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)

>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:
Mike> Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

Sure.  In fact, you can do a wheelie on a shaft-drive motorcycle
without even moving.  Just don't try countersteering.

:-)
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104640
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Subject: Re: Re: Inverted Fork needed

In rec.motorcycles, Matthew Mark Mueller <mm7k+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Help!
> 
> I need the left side inverted fork for a 92' GSX-R 750 so I can go to
> track practice at Nelson Ledges next weekend.  

Hey, what do we look like, a parts store?  Has it ever occurred to you to
visit your dealer and fork out the bucks for a new one?  What are the
chances of someone happening to have a '92 part laying around, much less
one in working condition?  Sheesh, some edu's.  

Besides, I only have the right side inverted GSX-R fork.  It's already been
converted into a floor lamp. 

-Jeff Deeney-  DoD#0498    NCTR                '88 XR600-Shamu 
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
It's too bad that whole families have to be torn apart by something as
simple as wild dogs.          -Jack Handey

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104641
From: nbetz@csi.compuserve.com (Nathan Betz)
Subject: First bike: Honda Ascot?

Hi folks.
 
I'm going to be buying my first bike and I'm considering an 82
Honda Ascot FT500 with less than 5K miles. Does this sound like a
reasonable choice? Is there anything special I need to know?
 
Thanks.
 
-Nathan


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104642
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Subject: Re: So, do any police ossifers read this stuff?

(J. R. Laferriere) writes:
%
% I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
% several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
% 

   What happened to Charlie Lear??  He used to have "connections",  didn't
   he?

   (Hey, this is cyberspace mister...  you wanna 'stateside cop, ya gotta'
   specify!)

-- 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104643
From: deeds@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com ( Dean Deeds)
Subject: GS1100E (was Re: buying advice needed)

In article <Afoi=te00j_jAnvopV@cs.cmu.edu> Dale.James@cs.cmu.edu writes:
>GS1100E.  It's a great bike, but you'd better be damn careful!  
>I got a 1983 as my third motorcycle, 
[...deleta...]
>The bike is light for it's size (I think it's 415 pounds); but heavy for a
>beginner bike.

Heavy for a beginner bike it is; 415 pounds it isn't, except maybe in
some adman's dream.  With a full tank, it's in the area of 550 lbs,
depending on year etc.

>You're 6'4" -- you should have no problem physically managing
>it.  The seat is roughly akin to a plastic-coated 2by6.  Very firm to very
>painful, depending upon time in the saddle.

The 1980 and '81 versions had a much better seat, IMO.

>The bike suffers from the infamous Suzuki regulator problem.  I have so far
>avoided forking out the roughly $150 for the Suzuki part by kludging in
>different Honda regulator/rectifier units from junkyards.  The charging system
>consistently overcharges the battery.  I have to refill it nearly weekly.
>This in itself is not so bad, but battery access is gained only after removing
>the seat, the tank, and the airbox.

My regulator lasted over 100,000 miles, and didn't overcharge the battery.
The wiring connectors in the charging path did get toasty though,
tending to melt their insulation.  I suspect they were underspecified;
it didn't help that they were well removed from cool air.

Battery access on the earlier bikes doesn't require tank removal.
After you learn the drill, it's pretty straightforward.

[...]
>replacement parts, like all Suzuki parts, are outrageously expensive.

Having bought replacement parts for several brands of motorcycles,
I'll offer a grain of salt to be taken with Dale's assessment.

[...]
>Good luck, and be careful!
>--Dale

Sentiments I can't argue with...or won't...
-- Dean Deeds
	deeds@vulcan1.edsg.hac.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104644
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Newbie

In article <C5swox.GwI@mailer.cc.fsu.edu>, os048@xi.cs.fsu.edu () writes:
|>  hey there,
|>     Yea, thats what I am....a newbie. I have never owned a motorcycle,

This makes 5! It IS SPRING!

|> Matt
|> PS I am not really sure what the purpose of this article was but...oh well

Neither were we. Read for a few days, then try again.

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104645
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
	<...>	<...>
>This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
>of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
>I want her to hold onto me  :-)   rather than the grab rail out back, and
>I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
>turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional
>signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???

	I've never liked my passengers to try and shift their weight with the
	turns at all... I find the weight shift can be very sudden and
	unnerving. It's one thing if they're just getting comfortable or
	decide to look over your other shoulder, but I don't recommend having
	him/her shift her weight with each turn... too violent.
	
	Also (I think someone already said this) make sure your passenger
	wears good gear. I sometimes choose to ride without a helmet or
	lacking other safety gear (depends on how squidly I feel) but I
	won't let passengers do it. What I do to myself I can handle, but
	I wouldn't want to hurt anyone else, so I don't let them on without
	gloves, jacket, (at least) jeans, heavy boots, and a helmet that *fits*

>I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that
>she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated...

	Go *real* easy. It's amazing how solid a grip you have on the
	handle bars that your passenger does not. Don't make her feel like
	she's going to slide off the back, and "snappy" turns for you are
	sickening lurches for her. In general, it feels much less controlled
	and smooth as a passenger. I can't stand being on the back of my
	brother's bike, and I ride aggressively when i ride and I know he's
	a good pilot... still, everything feels very unsteady when you're
	a passenger. 


>Thanks,
>        -Bob-

	Show off by not showing off the first time out...

-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
 '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104646
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (The Beav)
Subject: DoD Confessional

I can't help myself.
I've tried to be rational, 
to look the other way,
but everytime it happens, 
its uncontrollable.

I hate pre'80s motorcycles.

At first I thought it was a phase.  I though I would
get used to them.  It didn't happen.  I tried gazing
at CB750s and 900 customs, but each time I sadistically
pictured them being hurled off of large precipice
(I also picture a swarm of german tourists cheering and
taking holiday snaps, but I can't figure that part out).

What am I to do?  Everytime I read a .sig containing 
some spoked wheel wonder, I shudder and feel pity that
the poor soul has suffered enough.  I imagine the owner
scrapping out his (or her) living in a discarded Maytag
refridgerator box, tucked in next to their CX500.

I'm hoping for some deliverance.  I had in the past loathed
the Milwaukee machine, but I can actually begin to understand
some of the preaching.  There must be hope. 

-- 
===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104647
From: jon@bigdog (Jon Wright)
Subject: Anybody tape Daytona?

In article <C5L5Fy.GH9@acsu.buffalo.edu> v060j5kb@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark W  
Olszowy) writes:
> I haven't seen anything about it yet, but if it's already been mentioned I'm
> sorry for the repost.  Anyways, TNN is showing Daytona on Sunday April 18
> at 7:00pm to 8:30pm (EST).  Don't miss it.  It's got a hell of a finish!

Well, I looked for it and didn't manage to find it in my listings for TNN.  Has  
anybody taped it VHS, and could they be persuaded to lend it to me after they  
watch it?  I would be most greatful.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jon Wright              "Now how the hell did              Pages Software Inc.
DoD #0823              THAT come outa my mouth?"                  '86 VFR700f2

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104648
From: jon@bigdog (Jon Wright)
Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!)

In article <1993Apr16.171211.5772@colorado.edu> bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)  
writes:
> In article <bethdC5Juzw.18F@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
> >In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>  
jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes:
> >>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote:
> >>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
> >>: in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
> >>
> >>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried
> >>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too
> >>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any 
> >>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy
> >>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that
> >>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly,
> >>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any?

There's an article in Motorcycling a couple of months back specifically on  
women's attire for serious and not-so-serious riding.  They do mention who  
makes stuff specific for women's dimensions, and what also works OK enough as  
well.  Bates will make custom jackets and leathers for a reasonable charge.
-- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jon Wright              "Now how the hell did              Pages Software Inc.
DoD #0823              THAT come outa my mouth?"                  '86 VFR700f2

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104649
From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist

blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:

>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"?            

sorta.

>The next question I have is what bike would you recommend for
>a first time rider. 

'88 Honda Hawk

YMMV.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104650
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <1993Apr20.204831.19788@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <13516@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>|Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, 
>|get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your 
>|whining.
>|
>|Fine.
>|
>|Fuck off too.
>|
>|If you noticed, it was in 91, more than two years ago,
>|and YES, I've learned, and it's cost me.
>|
>|And yes, I've known people (friends and relatives) who've
>|been involved in drunk-related accidents (not them, they were hit)
>|and my cousin is still recovering.
>|
>|No, I can't take back what happened.
>|
>|Yes, it was stupid.
>|
>|But, by reminding me about it all the time, you're
>|neither helping me or yourself, so stuff your opinion.
>
>Hey, man, you brought it up.  I agree completely, driving drunk is really
>stupid, and I understand and appreciate that you feel bad about it.  But
>DWI is endemic in our society.  It is a REAL problem.  And we, as 
>motorcyclists, can be in the worst of vulnerable positions around a drunk
>driver.  (Alert readers might remember that last year I witnessed a DWI
>accident (right bloody in front of me), and was unable to save the life 
>of one of the participants, as I reported here.)  Also, drunk driving by
>motorcyclists is a prime cause of their injury and death, which raises the
>insurance rates, forces stupidly restrictive laws, and turns the public
>against those of us who ride responsibly.
>
>In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence.
>It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue,
>but a genuine safety issue.  So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto,
>admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the 
>consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes.
>
>Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of

You and the Beav should lighten up (esp the Beav).  I agree that
DUI/DWI is serious.  We should have reasonable laws, strict
enforcement, and tough sentences.  But, Andrew did not
post "looking for sympathy over the consequences."  He posted
asking for advice because he had an extremely high quote.  His
post was obviously valid because he later found insurance for LESS.
He noted why he was in his predicament but did not defend in
any way drunk driving (and has renounced drunk driving).  There
are too many repeat offenders to worry about and other BDC.
Why try to make this person who is no longer part of the problem
an outcast?  He has paid his debt to society.  Step off the high
horse.  We have all been irresponsible in the past.

With that said, I'm guilty of the same type of hostility towards
rapists.  I think it comes because I feel the punishment is not
severe enough.  The same may be true of DWI/DUI. If that is the
case, then it is our stinkin' gubment we need to change.  If 
we had a reasonable law about DWI/DUI with a stiff penalty
then fewer people would do it.  

At any rate, Andrew as paid his debt as defined by the law.
If you think that debt is actually greater than the law mandates, 
tell your 'representatives'.

Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104651
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering

In article <1qt19d$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au wrote:
>
>Let me guess.  You were making a left turn, correct?  The edge of the stud
>contacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself.  If you had 
>been making a right turn it would have tightened the stud. 

	Bzzzt! Thanks for playing.  If he'd been making a right
	turn, the sucker would have been a couple feet off the
	ground.

					Michael

-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104652
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted

martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes:



>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow 
>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has 
>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for 
>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way!

I've got a Belstaff tankbag on my FJ1100, and it ain't too good. It's
difficult to fix it securely cos of the the tank/fairing/sidepanel layout,
and also with the bars on full lock the bag touches the handlebar switches,
so you get the horn on full left lock and the starter motor on full right!!
If I was buying another I think I'd go for a magnetic one.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104653
From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: Re: Help!  Which bikes are short?


I'm not sure on the older bikes, but the Yamaha Virago 535 has spec'd
seat height of 27.6 in. and the Honda Shadow 27.2 in. 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104654
From: CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras)
Subject: Need Maintenance tips


After reading the service manual for my bike (Suzuki GS500E--1990) I have
a couple of questions I hope you can answer:

When checking the oil level with the dip stick built into the oil fill
cap, does one check it with the cap screwed in or not?  I am more used to
the dip stick for a cage where the stick is extracted fully, wiped clean
and reinserted fully, then withdrawn and read.  The dip stick on my bike
is part of the oil filler cap and has about 1/2 inch of threads on it.  Do
I remove the cap, wipe the stick clean and reinsert it with/without
screwing it down before reading?

The service manual calls for the application of Suzuki Bond No. 1207B on
the head cover.  I guess this is some sort of liquid gasket material.  do
you know of a generic (cheaper) substitute?

My headlight is a Halogen 60/55 W bulb.  Is there an easy, brighter
replacement bulb available?  Where should I look for one?

As always, I very much appreciate your help.  The weather in Philadelphia
has finally turned WARM.  This weekend I saw lotsa bikes, and the riders
ALL waved.  A nice change of tone from what Philadelphia can be like. . . .

Chris

-- 
*******************************************************************
Christopher G. Karras
Internet:    CGKarras@world.std.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104655
From: bss2p@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Brent S. Stone)
Subject: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist  (Ditto)

In article <C5r7Ey.7Mq@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> blaisec@sr.hp.com (Blaise Cirelli) writes:
>


	I'm thinking about becoming a bike owner this year
w/o any bike experience thus far.  I figure that getting a 
decent used bike for under $1K the thing would pay for itself
while I'm at grad school (car permits are $$$ where I'm going
and who want's to ride a bus).  I'm looking for advice
on a first bike - best models/years.  I'm NOT looking for
an old loud roaring thing that sounds like a monster.  The
quit whirring of newer engines is more to my liking.

Apprec any advice.

Thanks,

BS




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104656
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
mjs>Well, there are just as many courses here and elsewhere that do *not*
mjs>teach the technique, yet seem to be rather successful...

Sure.  You don't miss what you never had.  Those poor sods don't know
what they're missing.  I guess ignorance is bliss, eh Mike?

Mr. Bill
-- 
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 +   '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago"   +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+  DoD AMA ICOA NIA  + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104657
From: conboymj@leland.Stanford.EDU (Michael J Conboy)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

One point not yet mentioned:
	Hands on the driver's shoulders are a definite no-no.  It feels
good for the passenger to stretch her arms, and a shoulder massage feels
good too, but the shoulders are connected to the arms, and the arms to
the handlebars...  Should you hit the brakes, the pressure on the shoulders
can make steering interesting.

Bundle her up if it's cold, make sure she has good gear (say it again),
an pat her thigh to let her know all is great.

Good luck!		Mike

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104658
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: story 

lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:

>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the
>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of
>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The
>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The
>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY?


And still we wonder why they stereotype us...

-Erc.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104659
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: Mail order response time

In article <34650@oasys.dt.navy.mil>, sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges) writes:
|> I have ordered many times from Competition accesories and ussually
|> get 2-3 day delivery.  Once they had to backorder something, but they
|> sent me a card to say it would be two weeks.  Came in 10 days or so.
|> 

ordered 2 fork seals and 2 guide bushings from CA for my FZR.  two weeks later
get 2 fork seals and 1 guide bushing.  call CA and ask for remaining *guide*
bushing and order 2 *slide* bushings (explain on the phone which bushings are
which; the guy seemed to understand).  two weeks later get 2 guide bushings.

*sigh*

how much you wanna bet that once i get ALL the parts and take the fork apart
that some parts won't fit?

axel


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104660
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: exhaust coating

since at least one other person was interested in this:

my FZR's black exhaust pipes are rusty and i researched getting them repaired.
yesterday i bought a can of VHT 1500 degree black header paint and spent an
hour sanding two of the header pipes by hand.  sprayed on paint.  thought
about how clean i was able to get the metal with sanding and determined that
i wouldn't be at all suprised if the paint wore/chipped off in a month.

soooo call a couple of places up in minneapolis and discover that powder
coating, while extremely durable, will not handle over ~600 degree
temperatures.  the place i talked to said they were experimenting with
some new powder that is supposed to handle 1100 degrees but that it wouldn't
be available for months at least.  they directed me to another shop that
specializes in header coating.

the other shop said they have 2 coatings available.  one is aluminized that
can do 1200+ degrees and is "comparable" to powder coating for durability.
the other is silicon (i think) based and can do 1800+ degrees (!) but is
thinner and not as durable.  both coatings have a textured finish (not
super smooth) and should be cleaned with hot water and a brush.

price for 4 1-foot header pipes and a 2-foot 4-2-1 collector was ~$100.  i'm
planning to take the parts up friday and get them back (UPS) next week maybe
wednesday.

sounds to me like this kind of coating stuff should be way better than paint
considering how much abuse the pipes get from road crap/rocks.

axel

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104661
From: gruncie@cs.strath.ac.uk (Gillian E Runcie CS92)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

being a mere female, I have often found I can't really take the big offensive line with asshole car drivers, so I found a more subtle and nastly
ooops I mean nasty way to get back at them. If somebody cuts you up, just wait till they have pulled out past you, and then gently lean over and
bend their aerial, every time I have done that it has eventually snapped
off near the base - which tends to go undetected for a while and is a bummer to replace.


gillian

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104662
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
mjs>No No No No!! All I am saying is that you don't even need to tell people
mjs>the technique of countersteering, cos they will do it intuitively the first
mjs>time they try to go round a corner.

karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
karr>Are you sure?  Remember that you *can* get around corners without
karr>countersteering.  In fact, my Experienced Rider Course instructors
karr>claimed that they could get on behind a new rider and make the bike
karr>turn to whichever side they wanted just by shifting their weight
karr>around, even when the operator was trying to turn in the opposite
karr>direction.  (I admit I've never actually seen this.)

I've experienced this, back when I was young(er) and (more) foolish...

My first bike used to track extremely true.  Going down the highway,
I would set the throttle tension screw up enough to hold the gas
steady, slide back on the seat and lean against the backrest, riding
without any hands.  If I needed to turn, I'd shift my weight into the
turn, and lo and behold, the bike would turn, sans touching the bars!
Granted, it wouldn't turn very fast, but it proves that you can turn
a bike without countersteering, at least not in terms of the input
to the bar normally associated with countersteering.

As I've said, I know many people who think all you do is lean, and any
input they're giving to the bar is totally unconscious.  Whereas that
may be sufficient to get you down the road under normal circumstances,
possibly for years at a stretch, I can't think of anybody who'd argue
that this is preferable to properly knowing how to manipulate the bar
in a turn, regardless of what you want to call it.

Except maybe for Mr. Sixsmith...  ;^)

Mr. Bill
-- 
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 +   '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago"   +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+  DoD AMA ICOA NIA  + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104663
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Insurance discount

Hola amigos,

Quiero... I need an answer to a pressing question.  I now own two
bikes and would love to keep them both.  One is a capable and
smooth street bike, low and lightweight with wide power and great
brakes; the other is a Beemer G/S, kind of rough for the city but
great on the long road and backroad.  A good start at a stable, but
I don't think it's going to work.  Unfortunately, insurance is going
to pluck me by the short hairs.  

Unless... some insurance agent offers a multi-vehicle discount.  They
do this all the time for cars, assuming that you're only capable of 
driving one of the things at a time.  I don't think I'll ever manage
to straddle both bikes and ride them tandem down the street. (Turn left...
accelerate the Zephyr; turn right... accelerate the Beemer.)  Does
anybody know of an agency that makes use of this simple fact to
discount your rates?  State Farm doesn't.

By the way, I'm moving to the Bay area so I'll be insuring the bikes
there, and registering them.  To ease me of the shock, can somebody
guesstimate the cost of insuring a ZR550 and a R800GS?  Here in Tucson
they only cost me $320 (full) and $200 (liability only) for the two,
per annum.

Muchas gracias,
			Enrique

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104664
From: zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
   I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
   This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
   (read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
   fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).

Communication:  work out your own system.  Or just slow down and holler
back every once in a while.  At reasonable speeds, even on my under-muffled
Magna, we can hear each other.  It's only above, say, 45 MPH that you 
can't really communicate.

Balance: New passengers are a real pain, because you never know how
they're going to react to steering.  Some people catch on immediately
and lean with me.  Others are completely skittish about the leaning
thing, and keep their bodies perpendicular to the horizon.  This is a
pain while turning, but manageable.  The WORST are the passengers who stay
perpendicular to the horizon, then REMEMBER in the middle of a turn
and WHIP AROUND until they're in the `correct' position.  This always
screws up the line I've picked out.

Here's my personal checklist of things to tell passengers:
	- attire: helmet, long pants, boots/heavy shoes, jacket.
	- Keep feet on pegs at all times, unless I say otherwise.  Do not
	  get on/off unless I say you can.  (I've had people try to dismount
	  in traffic, just as I'm pulling in to a parking space!)
	- Muffler gets HOT! ('Nuff said)
	- We get *GOOD* traction.  We're not going to fall over.  (Many
	  first-time riders are surprised by how tightly you can turn!)
	- Turn dynamics:  sit so that you feel like you're sitting upright and
	  we're going straight.  Trust your butt, not your eyes -- if you're
	  confused, close your eyes for a couple of turns to get the feel
	  of it.  Or just hug me tight.  
	- Please, no sudden moves -- shift your weight as desired, but be 
	  gradual, so I can compensate.
	- Your faceplate is yours to open/close as desired.
	- Trust is essential.  Trust the driver (me) to do the right 
	  thing -- I've driven many miles on this thing, and know how
	  to operate it.  Enjoy the ride.  (This is important to
	  stress.  For example, one of my first-time passwngers seemed to 
	  watch the speedo like a hawk:  I drove her to the beach down 84, 
	  and whever we topped 35 mph, she'd holler, "SLOW DOWN! I'M SCARED" 
	  I humored her for a while, then simply covered the speedometer with 
	  the spare piece of duct tape I keep stuck to the top of the cluster.
	  Problem solved:  she watched the scenery instead of the
	  instruments, and had a much better time.  Based on her
	  experience driving a Lincoln Continental, she was unwilling to 
	  trust my ability to choose a safe speed for the bike.)

Usually I'll point out the controls, engine, transmission, brakes, 
tires, etc. and discuss motorcycle physics a bit too for first-timers.
Helps calm their nerves, and gives the bike a chance to warm up.

Watch out for gravel on the Mt. Hamilton road:  there were lots of little
mudslides after the last big rain; by now, many of the blind corners will
be nicely covered with a carpet of little, round, nearly invisible stones.
It doesn't help build trust when you slide out on a blind corner, on the 
first trip!

Good luck -- have fun!
--
DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK!

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104665
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: IT AIN'T FOR ME!

In article <speedy.156@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>I am confused (like THAT'S a surprise!), someone asked ME for a copy of the 
>FAQ via E-Mail.  As I am not the KotFAQ, I was wondering what the proper 
>responce is?  

Our panel of judges has deliberated the question, and the answer is:

Send the requester one copy, and then gang-FAQ yourself.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104666
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <13516@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> Well, as a few of you so aptly put it, 
|> get off the road, jerk, we don't wanna hear your 
|> whining.
|> 
|> Fine.
|> 
|> Fuck off too.

Well it still looks like you've got an attitude problem
Mr. Muttonhead.  You should take the comments with more
sensitivity.  I still despise most people who belittle
drinking and driving since my first girlfriend was killed 
by such an asshole back in '85.  Learn to take the verbal 
abuse.

If you can't take the flames, 
and you can't use your brains,
stay out of the newsgroup.


=============================================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
= This company has no idea what I am talking about!                         =
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104669
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Comments on a 1984 Honda Interceptor 1000?

jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) writes:

> In article <19APR93.15421177@skyfox> howp@skyfox writes:
> >Hi.
> >     I am considering the purchase of a 1984 Honda 1000cc Interceptor for
> >$2095 CDN (about $1676 US).  I don't know the mileage on this bike, but from
> >the picture in the 'RV Trader' magazine, it looks to be in good shape.
> >Can anybody enlighten me as to whether this is a good purchase?  
> 
>    Oog.  I hate to jump in on this type of thread but ....
> 
>       pass on the VF1000.  It's big, top heavy, and carries lots of
>       expensive parts.  

What he said.  Most of my friends refer to them as "ground magnets."  One


> =============================================================================
> |Jeff Earls  jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530  KotTG  KotSPT   WMTC  AMA
> |'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon        |   Squid Factor: 16.99               
> |'93 KLR650 - Thumpy                   | "Hit the button Chewie!"... Han Solo
> 
>     "There ain't nothin' like a 115 mph sweeper in the Idaho rockies." - me


--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104670
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <1993Apr20.010734.18225@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
>to liquor?

*Everything* in Louisiana is related to liquor:  eating, sleeping, walking,
talking, church, state, life, death, and everything in between.

Plus the food is good, too.


-- 
Ray Shea    		 "they wound like a very effective method."
UniSQL, Inc.		                                 --Leah
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu                   some days i miss d. boon real bad. 
DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT     

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104671
From: cassidy@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Question????

In article <1993Apr21.030201.27904@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <1r25ldINN9rp@frigate.cis.ohio-state.edu> fields@cis.ohio-state.edu (jonathan david fields) writes:

>>This is probably a stupid question but as I am new to the motorcycle scene
>>I don't really know anything about it. What is DoD? 
>
>	This has to be a setup.  Lookit--same site as Arnie Skurow.

probably just want to see how many faq's they'll get. oh well. here goes....



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104672
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

In article <gbnvgw@quantum.qnx.com> dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs) writes:
>
>Yes, even when steering no hands you do something quite similar
>to countersteering.  Basically to turn left, you to a quick wiggle
>of the bike to the right first, causing a counteracting lean to
>occur to the left.

This sounds suspiciously like black magic to me.  If by "quick wiggle
to the right" you mean that the handlebars turn toward the right
before turning to the left, what is the input to the steering
mechanism that makes this happen in the absence of the old
"shove-shove"?

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   DoD #0969   also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al.



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104673
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Battery Charger

In article <121765@netnews.upenn.edu> sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) writes:
>
>I just noticed that my halogen table lamp runs off 12 Volts.
>The big thinngy that plugs into the wall says 12 Volts DC,  20mA
>
>The question is: Can I trickle charge the battery on my CB650
>with it?

You could, but it would be considerably cheaper to spend $8 or so on
a trickle charger from K-Mart, Venture, or Target, then it would be
to replace the halogen lamp power supply after you fuse it trying to
pump current into the battery...

While charging, the charger should be putting out around 14 or 15 volts
as well...
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104674
From: mock@watt.support.Corp.Sun.COM (Joseph Mocker)
Subject: Dual-Sport recomendations


I am looking at buying a Dual Sport type motorcycle. This is my first
cycle as well. I am interested in any experiences people have with
the following motorcycles, good or bad.

	Honda XR250L
	Suzuki DR350S
	Suzuki DR250ES
	Yamaha XT350

Most XXX vs. YYY articles I have seen in magazines pit the Honda XR650L 
against another cycle, and the 650 always comes out shining. Is it safe
to assume that the 250 would be of equal quality ?

Thanks... Joe

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104675
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <1993Apr21.194547.2266@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
+In article <222834@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com> maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
+> 
+> Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going, 
+>nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
+> 
+> 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when 
+>you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. 
+
+Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
+but I've never actually done it.

I've had people in cages wave at me or give me the thumbs up on
occassion.  (I always return the wave or thumbs up).  That never
happened to me until I started riding Harleys, so that may have
something to do with it.

Why not try waving?  What bad could happen?
____________________________________________________________________________
		Russian Roulette is fun 5 times out of 6
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2
  KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905)
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104676
From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

In article <1r1v6k$lnr@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.173432.11833@adobe.com> cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
>>In article <C5sK1D.C1p@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>>>Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4,
>>>"VT" for V-twin.
>>So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT.
			      ^^
			      ||
		           New Technology

>Yeah, and what about my Honda CX500 (also a V-twin, but in the other
>direction)?		       ^^
			       || 
			  Cycle eXperimental
			   

Got this from a mechanic at Al Lamb's Honda!

AT

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104677
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks)

In article <csundh30.735397064@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:
|To follow-up, I had a bad experience w/ a Krypto Lock too...
|
|Last year I bought a Krypto Cable II (3/8"x3-4' long, something like that)
|that by all standards seemed like a decent piece.  Until I used it anyway...
[...]

  So, in short, the 3/8" cables seems to be pretty useless, I would guess.

  The larger cable seems to be a much better unit.

  I've got the larger cable - about 5/8" inch in diameter (actually, I think
its larger), about 4 feet long which coils into a 8 or 9 inch coil, with the
tubular key lock like the U-locks.  It has worked fine for me for two years
now, and *seems* (to me, anyway) that it is very secure.  It doesn't have the
weaknesses that the U-locks have other than the liquid nitrogen trick
supposedly, is much easier to store in my tankbag than a U-lock, and more
versatile.  I got mine from one of the mail-order houses (Motorcycle Accessory
Warehouse, I beleive), for $42.

  In combination with an ignition disable, and a couple of other deterrents,
all I *usually* worry about is vandalism.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

       "But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104678
From: wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack)
Subject: Re:   Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <Stafford-210493125617@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) wrote:
>
>> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
>> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!
>
>   The statement above is _true_ to the spirit of the list because
>   it is a false statement.  Misinformation: that's the spirit, Bill.
>
>   My /5 will do wheelies because it's a chain drive model.   
>
>====================================================
>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
>                    All standard disclaimers apply.

I knew when I posted that I was going to get into trouble. Now I suppose I
have to give /5 wheelie demos at the Spring Fling or something.

But you're right, John, it is a chain drive model. I think it goes around
the camshaft and up over the rocker arms or something. Stolen from an early
Spagthorpe design, according to urban legend.

Bill
__
wrs@gozer.mv.com (Bill Slack) DoD #430
But her tears were shed in vain and her every word was lost
In the rumble of his engine and the smoke from his exhaust! Oo..o&o
    



    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104679
From: idb14@cus.cam.ac.uk (I.D. Benham)
Subject: WANTED - UK BMW &Insu Tips

Hi,
   I'm now in the market for buying a BMW.The ideal would be an R80 RS but I'd be
interested to here of any R80 for sale .Age is not a problem - I'm more
interested in a good example without a massive amount of miles and one which has
been well maintained as I intend to keep it well and for some time.

   I would also like to know if anyone has any sound advice as regards to
INSURANCE - 27yr old,licence for 9 years,no accidents/claims/convictions.Am I old
enough to get BMW owners club insurance yet or will I have to wait until next
year? 

				Ian

			Future Beemer Owner

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104680
From: lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
> I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
> This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
> (read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
> fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).
> 


An extended ride as a passenger on a 750 ninja.

Owww.

Well, I hate to be a wet sock, but, well...

I was a passenger on many bikes for the longest time before I started
riding myelf, and I grew to hate long rides on sport bikes.  The passenger
seats are not designed for long rides.  The passenger positions aren't
even usually designed for short rides.  I ended up torturing my knees and my
back by taking long rides as a passenger on sport bikes.  One of the
reasons I originally liked my current guythingy so much was becase he had
a BMW. :)

I'd suggest a shorter extended ride at first -- a short turn in the mountains
or some such.  Then see how much pain she's in, and proceed from there.

The best advice I'd give a beginning passenger:

- Don't get on the bike until the rider says its OK, and work out some sort
  signal for the rider to tell you when its OK to get off.  After I get on 
  the bike I squeeze my riders hips to tell that I'm ready, and at the stop
  he nods his head to show its OK for me to get off.

- Keep your feet on the pegs at all times.  Don't wiggle (unless your rider
  asks you to :)

- The best passengers are those which are unobtrusive.  Echo the movements
  and lean of your rider.  Look over the shoulder thats most comfortable,
  but during turns look over the shoulder on the inside of the turn.

- Get used to your rider's shifting style (Riders:  use a reasonably
  consistent shifting style).  Avoid "helmet bonk."  Helmet bonk is 
  when your rider revs the bike up and then shifts and the sudden change
  in foreward acceleration causes your helmet to bonk his/hers.  It
  gets old real fast.

- When pulling to a stop, put a hand or both hands on the tank to keep
  your weight from pushing your rider up onto the tank.  Putting your hands
  on the tank is also a good way to stretch your back if you're in pain,
  but I'm told it gets harder to steer in turns if you leave them there.

- Switch your hands to the guardrail to stretch your shoulders, but be 
  sure and squeeze your thighs while you're doing it so your rider knows you're
  still there. :)  The guard rail isn't as safe as holding onto your rider.

- Don't be afraid to ask for frequent stops if you're in pain or
  losing feeling in your feet.  Passenger seats are not generally designed 
  for comfort.  Work out some sort of pull over signal beforehand.


-- 
*********************************************************
Laura Lemay                              lemay@netcom.com
writer of trifles in shadows and blood
*********************************************************


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104681
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

In article <mdennie.735397939@beryllium>, mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
|> In <121755@netnews.upenn.edu> sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <13612@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> >:>Curtis JAckson pens...
|> >:>
|> >:>"MSF course...$140"
|> >:
|> >:Shyah!
|> >:
|> >:The one here only costs $35!
|> >:
|> >:(Izzat a deal or what?! :)
|> 
|> >They are free in Philadelphia....   :-)
|> 
|> Who pays for these cheapie MSF deals?  Are your states subsidizing them?

here they are $25 for ERC and $50 for MSF. and no
the state doesn't subsidize ours at all. we do.
$1 for every motorcycle endorsed license.


laz

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104682
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <ZOWIE.93Apr21020301@daedalus.stanford.edu> zowie@daedalus.stanford.edu (Craig "Powderkeg" DeForest) writes:
>- Turn dynamics:  sit so that you feel like you're sitting upright... 
	Good advice.

>- Please, no sudden moves...
	My Ol'lady taps me on the shoulder to let me know she is 
	uncomfortable.  I, in turn, am prepared for her to move about on the 
	back of the bike.

>- Trust is essential. ... 
	We had 1 bad crash (nail in rear tire on left hand sweeper at crest 
	of hill on pavement/pea-gravel road) and her actions helped lessen 
	the severity of it.  As we were crashing, she stayed upright in the 
	saddle with her feet on the pegs and her hands about my waist.  I was
	able to get the bike slowed down 10-15mph before we were high-sided.
	She got off with a fair case of road rash and I had to have the doc 
	remove a lot of rocks from my knee.  Had she panicked we would have 
	probably crashed at greater speed causing greater injury.
	BTW, as soon at the tire went flat, we went into VIOLENT tank-
	slappers.  This is what she rode out in a "normal" riding posture!

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104683
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <1993Apr21.134121.1911@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:

I waved to a guy on a riding mower this morning.  Does that count?
BTW, I live in the country... EVERYONE waves out here!

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104684
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies


In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:

>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
>


	Absolutely. Early XS1100's were VERY good at this. 

	
>Mike Terry
>'82 Virago
>

	Don't try it on your Virago unless you already are purty good at
it or like the smell of exploded clutch.



-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104685
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist

In article <1993Apr21.092613.1344@hsh.com> binger@hsh.com writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.150337.2963@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (
Jody Levine) writes:>>>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS 
RIDING"?            >> 

>I might only add two things.... stupid road design (or poor, at least) and

Here in Louisiana the State Sign is "CAUTION - SUB-STANDARD ROADWAY".

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104686
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)

Dana H. Myers, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 19:51:16 GMT wibbled:
: In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
: >In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
: >
: >>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
: >       ^^^^^^
: >    excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.


: Squids are everybody but me and you.  Chris Behanna is especially a squid.

:  * Dana H. Myers

I'm a BMW Squid.  Two of my arms are longer, too.
--

Nick (the BS Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Longer Arms

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104687
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Paint jobs in the UK

Lisa Rowlands, on the Wed, 21 Apr 1993 10:13:31 +0000 wibbled:
: Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area. 

: Thanks 

: Lisa Rowlands
: -- 
: Alex Technologies Ltd		CP House
: 				97-107 Uxbridge Road
: Tel: 	+44 (0)81 566 2307	Ealing
: Fax: 	+44 (0)81 566 2308	LONDON
: email:	lisa@alex.com		W5 5LT


Lisa,

Try Pip on 081 590 8045.  She does wonderful things with paint...
I've seen her work and it's good.

Best of luck.

--

Nick (the well connected Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   Boring paint job

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104688
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

Dave Edmondson, on the Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:05:41 GMT wibbled:
: Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
: : kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled:

: Jonathan Quist bemoaned:

: : : |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes 
: of A.M.,
: : : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have 
: non-British
: : : |> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing

: Lotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was 
: late and too pricey.  If they can write off the Elan development costs the may 
: be able to sell them for a sensible price.


: : : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
: : : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
: : : the name.

: : : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

: : I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR.  It's a seperate
: : company from the RR Aero-Engine company. 

: It's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars. 

: And yes Kevin it is posts, Morgan use a sliding pillar front suspension.

: Ob Bike (at long bleeding last): When will that Pettefar bloke get a mail 
: address so we can bung him on the Ogri list?

: dave
: --
: David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
: Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
: "This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."


What, you mean like the one in my bleedin' signature?!

HELLO!

--

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M'Lud.
                                   
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Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104689
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Insurance discount

In article <1993Apr20.031127.25473@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
>
>By the way, I'm moving to the Bay area so I'll be insuring the bikes
>there, and registering them.  To ease me of the shock, can somebody
>guesstimate the cost of insuring a ZR550 and a R800GS?  Here in Tucson
>they only cost me $320 (full) and $200 (liability only) for the two,
>per annum.

	My agent is Daniel Sui, and he's done quite a good job
	for me.  You might check with him, as he's located in San
	Francisco and specializes in bike insurance:

		Daniel Sui Insurance
		338 Balboa Street
		San Francisco, CA 94118
		1-415-752-3157

					Michael


-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104690
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <1993Apr21.145716.17491@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:

Freebie and the Bean, GREAT chase scene on a trials bike!

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104691
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <tcora-210493093955@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil>, tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:
|> jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) wrote:
|> > 
|> > ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
|> > >hello there
|> > >can anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
|> > >comment on its handling .
|> > 
|> > 
|> >    Some guy came to the OMRRA race school last weekend with number plates
|> >    on his V-Max.  He didn't get more than 2 practice laps in before he pushed
|> >    the frame too hard and it drove him into the guard rail on the back
|> >    straight.
|> > 
|> >    BTW:  The rider was conscious and semi-coherent when the ambulance
|> >    carted him off.  That's all I know.
|> 

|> I hate to pick on someone who may have been seriously injured (let's hope
|> not), but: semi-coherent sounds like a good description of someone who
|> shows up at the track w/ a VMax in the first place:-{

what does that make me for showing up with an old interceptor with worse
brakes and handling (due to bent frame) than a VMAX?  and i didn't even...
uh....  well, i was more than semi-coherent when the ambulance....  uh....

nevermind.


axel


:)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104692
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Need parts/info for 1963 Maicoletta scooter

In article <1r1uea$33m@slack.sim.es.com> pashdown@slack.sim.es.com (Pete Ashdown) writes:
>
>Also looking for brakes or info on relining existing shoes.

    Vintage Brakes
    176 Bluefield Ave.
    Newbury Park, CA.  91320
    (805)498-5527

    They reline all types of obsolete motorcycle brake shoes with Ferodo
material.

>Also any other Maicoletta owners anywhere to have contact with.

    Place to try:

    Deutsches Motorrad Register
    8663 Grover Place
    Shreveport, LA 71115
    (club for all types of two-wheeled German equipment, including
     scooters.  I periodically see ads for Maico scooter stuff in their
     newsletter.)

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| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104693
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <1993Apr19.164842.18206@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

	Only on the FRONT wheel.  Use the lever on the right
	handlebar to accomplish this.

				Michael
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| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104694
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Need Maintenance tips

In article <C5rIwA.2or@world.std.com> CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras) writes:
>
>After reading the service manual for my bike (Suzuki GS500E--1990) I have
>a couple of questions I hope you can answer:
>
>When checking the oil level with the dip stick built into the oil fill
>cap, does one check it with the cap screwed in or not?

	Most bikes I've seen that use a dipstick rather than a
	sight glass are designed to check it without screwing it
	in.  In the manual for my CBR900RR, they specifically
	state it should be done this way.

				Michael

-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104695
From: essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum)
Subject: Re: exhaust coating

In article <coburnn.735431559@spot.Colorado.EDU>, coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn) writes:
|> essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) writes:
|> 
|> 
|> >my FZR's black exhaust pipes are rusty and i researched getting them repaired.
|> >yesterday i bought a can of VHT 1500 degree black header paint and spent an
|> >hour sanding two of the header pipes by hand.  sprayed on paint.  thought
|> >about how clean i was able to get the metal with sanding and determined that
|> >i wouldn't be at all suprised if the paint wore/chipped off in a month.
|> 
|> [Parts deleted]
|> 
|> >axel
|> 
|> Axel,
|> 
|>    Why not just purchase one of the Fyex exhaust bras for about $40?  They
|> look great and are cheaper than powder coating.  (I had the same dilemma and
|> opted for these.  I am quite pleased.)

ok.  so what's an "exhaust bra"?  i'm guessing it's not a fabric thing that
straps to the pipes...  does it go over the chin fairing/lowers in some way?
i usually don't ride with the lower plastic...

axel

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104696
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
}Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
}we have *all* the advantages.

I agree with this 100%. After all, when you grab under his chin and
are careful to keep your hands away from his twisting head, what is
he going to do -- tailwag you to death? I even had one occasion where
I was unexpectedly jumped by a 130 lb. German Shepherd and grabbed
his upper jaw in one hand and his lower jaw in the other. Now I'm
holding his mouth open (no way is he strong enough to clamp down)
and he can do nothing.

HOWEVER, all this macho shit aside, the fact is that when you are
riding a bike and a dog is arrowing to intercept, it may be unwise
for you to stop and try to deal with the dog, for the simple fact
that it might be through your leathers and working on your jeans
before you can dismount and deal with it properly.

By all means, if you do kick the dog or otherwise get its attention,
STOP and STAY there. If you kick the dog and ride away, that is a
victory for the dog -- it drove you out of its territory. It is not
even a qualified victory, it is a victory. If you kick it and STOP,
and sit there, 99% of dogs will say, "Oh, shit! This guy's serious!"
and back off. Now you have established your dominance over the dog,
and it probably will not bother you again.

Llamas, however, are a different story. If you stop near a llama,
it will just hop on and insist on a ride. And that's if you're
lucky; if it doesn't like you it'll barf you off the bike and
steal it!
-- 
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DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104697
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

I know there's already a bmw mailing list, but since it's an R bike 
only list (and limited to the R80* R100* bikes as well I believe)
I've decided to give this a go and see how much interest there is.
please read all of this post if you plan on subscribing to the list!

there is only one restriction for the discussion on this list, that it
be about BMW's. I don't care which BMW, any and all are welcome. I will
probably post articles that appear in the local BMW club newsletter, and
would incourage other club members to do the same, especially tech
articles.

to subscribe to the list, send a message to the list address:

                    bmw@rider.cactus.org

with the word SUBSCRIBE (in caps) in the *subject* of the message. having
the word SUBSCRIBE in the *subject* is the _only_ way to subscribe. if you 
put the keyword in the message body, your message will go out to everyone
on the list and you will be ridiculed beyond belief.

       ** your From: line must have a valid return address    **
       ** the list sw will use the address in your From: line **

if you would like to use a return address _other_ than what is contained
in your From: line, do not send mail to the list! send a note directly to
me (joe@rider.cactus.org) and I'll take care of it manually.

the list sw will hack up the outgoing message From: line so that your
original full name in ()'s is preserved, but the return address is
replaced with the mailing list address (bmw@rider.cactus.org). this 
allows you to simply reply to a message to keep it on the list (depending
on your mail interface natch. I use elm so that's what I wrote it for :-).
keep this in mind when you reply to a message and question the authors
parentage.

to remove your name from the list, send a message to the list address
with the word UNSUBSCRIBE (in caps) in the *subject* of the message.
having the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the *subject* is the _only_ way to remove
your name from the list. if you put the keyword in the message body, 
your message will go out to everyone on the list and you will be ridiculed 
beyond belief.

the list is run from my home system, a poor little 286 box running a
very old version of something that smells somewhat like unix. the MTA
isn't the smartest around, but I've managed to hack it up enough to make
a decent list MTA. additions and removals are handled automatically by
scripts that intercept messages based on the subject (see below) and
may occassionally goof. the sw will send a response message back when you
subscribe. if you do not receive a response within a reasonable amount
of time (my link is via UUCP and sometimes runs in spurts), send me a 
message (joe@rider.cactus.org) and I'll look into it.

if the list turns out to be too popular and the MTA groks over the number
of addresses, I'll have to freeze the list recipients until I can come up
with a better MTA.

good luck...

-- 
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                                                          joe@mpd.tandem.com
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104698
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: PERSONAL: to Michael Moscoso

Michael, you sent your inquiry to the bmw mailing list, but the sw
replaces your return addr with the list addr so I can't reply or
manually add you. please see my post re the list or contact me directly.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
BMW Mailing List                                          bmw@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104699
From: smead@hpstc01.rose.hp.com (Steve Smead)
Subject: XS 850 never needs valve adjustments?

I bought a Yamaha XS850 with 8K miles.  Over the last 2 years, I've put 30K
of commute miles onnit.  Valve adjustment intervals are suppossed to be every
5K.  Well every 7.5K or so, I've checked the pad clearences, and they never
change!  If anything, the clearances seem to be getting a little smaller which
makes no sense to me with the pad system - the pads should wear until the
clearances are too great right?  I know that threaded adjusters can tighten 
up, but I didn't think these kind could.

Bottom lines is that I haven't touched my valves for 30K on this bike and
they are still nice and quiet and if anything, the clearances are tighter...
What's the deal?  Any other Yam triple owners notice extremely long valve
adjustment intervals?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104700
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <mdennie.735508147@beryllium>, mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
|> In <1993Apr22.125054.17308@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
|> 
|> >In article <1993Apr22.005459.25142@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
|> >>
|> >>I've had people in cages wave at me or give me the thumbs up on
|> >>occassion.  (I always return the wave or thumbs up).  That never
|> >>happened to me until I started riding Harleys, so that may have
|> >>something to do with it.
|> >>
|> >Ever notice little kid wave more than other bikers?
|>              ^^^^^^^^^^
|> 
|> The reactions of little boys seems to be the most enthusiastic to
|> a wave (and also good to see).  I always wave when I see a kid that
|> has at least noticed my bike.  I figure it helps the future of the
|> sport.

Yeah, it's impossible to be a tough biker when a 5 year old
starts waving at you.

-- 
===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104701
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Test ride on a GTS1000

In article 1r702fINNqsp@spim.mti.sgi.com, timl@zulu.mti.sgi.com (Tim Layman) writes:
>
>	After signing the I will buy the bike if I wreck it and I will
>not sue you no matter what papers, they just pointed me at the bike and
>said have fun. I was a little nervous (well a lot nervous) mainly because
>it is a very expensive bike and I would hate to have to buy a new one
>let alone a wrecked one:^(

Are you sure?  Harley's disclaimer says, "if you crash, we take care of
the bike, you take care of you."

If you were really responsible for the bike, did your insurance cover
it?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104702
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article 735508147@beryllium, mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
>
>Is it a genetic thing with little boys or what?  Even three and four
>year old boys seem magnetically attracted to motorcycles of virtaully
>any sort (often to the dismay of thier mothers :-)

I think you just answered your own question...

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104703
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: WANTED - UK BMW &Insu Tips

I.D. Benham, on the Wed, 21 Apr 1993 17:11:39 GMT wibbled:
: Hi,
:    I'm now in the market for buying a BMW.The ideal would be an R80 RS but I'd be
: interested to here of any R80 for sale .Age is not a problem - I'm more
: interested in a good example without a massive amount of miles and one which has
: been well maintained as I intend to keep it well and for some time.

:    I would also like to know if anyone has any sound advice as regards to
: INSURANCE - 27yr old,licence for 9 years,no accidents/claims/convictions.Am I old
: enough to get BMW owners club insurance yet or will I have to wait until next
: year? 

: 				Ian

: 			Future Beemer Owner


My best advice would be to contact a local dealer (see the yellow
pages under "Motorcycle Dealers") and ask for the address of the local
section BMW Owners Club.  The local BMW dealer will give you details
of the BMW Insurance terms and the club will help you with all
details.  Getting a bike from the dealer is the best bet, if you can
afford it.  The warranty is fairly handy as BM bits are made from
solid gold, apart from the parts made from ruby and platinum.  Apparently.

--

Nick (the perpetually broke BMW Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford  No Loot

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
                                   (-

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104704
From: acuff@CAMIS.Stanford.EDU (Richard Acuff)
Subject: Re: First bike: Honda Ascot?

nbetz@csi.compuserve.com (Nathan Betz) writes:

>I'm going to be buying my first bike and I'm considering an 82
>Honda Ascot FT500 with less than 5K miles. Does this sound like a
>reasonable choice? Is there anything special I need to know?

An '82 FT500 Ascot was my first bike--I recommend it.  If anyone's
interested, mine's for sale.  It's in LA currently, with a bum
starter and around 10k miles.  I'd like a couple hundred for it.

	-- Rich


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104705
From: oconnor@eng.umd.edu (Mark O'Connor)
Subject: Re: Question about helmets


On the other side of the fence, I owned a Bieffe off-road helmet.
Took what I would consider a minor fall, and had visible damage
to the shell.  Yes, the helmet did its job.  But the damage/impact
ratio was scary.  I own Bell Moto-5 now, have taken impacts on
order of twice the Bieffe impact (we do this frequently in MX),
and don't even have a scratch on it after two seasons.  My
recommendation is to buy _high_ quality gear.  YMMV.

-mark

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104706
From: bowmanj@csn.org (Jerry Bowman)
Subject: Re: Women's Jackets? (was Ed must be a Daemon Child!!)

In article <bethdC5Juzw.18F@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>In article <1993Apr14.141637.20071@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jhensley@nyx.cs.du.edu (John Hensley) writes:
>>Beth Dixon (bethd@netcom.com) wrote:
>>: new Duc 750SS doesn't, so I'll have to go back to carrying my lipstick
>>: in my jacket pocket.  Life is _so_ hard.  :-)
>>
>>My wife is looking for a jacket, and most of the men's styles she's tried
>>don't fit too well. If they fit the shoulders and arms, they're too
>>tight across the chest, or something like that. Anyone have any 
>>suggestions? I'm assuming that the V-Pilot, in addition to its handy
>>storage facilities, is a pretty decent fit. Is there any company that
>>makes a reasonable line of women's motorcycling stuff? More importantly,
>>does anyone in Boulder or Denver know of a shop that bothers carrying any?
>
>I was very lucky I found a jacket I liked that actually _fits_.
>HG makes the v-pilot jackets, mine is a very similar style made
>by Just Leather in San Jose. I bought one of the last two they
>ever made.
>
>Finding decent womens motorcycling gear is not easy.  There is a lot
>of stuff out there that's fringed everywhere, made of fashion leather,
>made to fit men, etc.  I don't know of a shop in your area.  There
>are some women rider friendly places in the San Francisco/San Jose
>area, but I don't recommend buying clothing mail order.  Too hard
>to tell if it'll fit.  Bates custom makes leathers.  You might want
>to call them (they're in L.A.) and get a cost estimate for the type
>of jacket your wife is interested in.  Large manufacturers like
>BMW and H.G. sell women's lines of clothing of decent quality, but
>fit is iffy.
>
>A while ago, Noemi and Lisa Sieverts were talking about starting
>a business doing just this sort of thing.  Don't know what they
>finally decided.
>
>Beth
        Seems to me that Johns H.D. in Ft Collins used to carry some
    honest to god womens garb.>
>=================================================================
>Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
>1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
>1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
>1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
>1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
>"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
>                                                        -- ZZ Top
>=================================================================



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104707
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <1993Apr15.232009.8534@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:
|Zero to very fast very quickly... lastest rumor is 115 hp at the rear wheel,
|handles like a dream in a straight line to 80-100, and then gets a tad upset
|according to a review in Cycle World... cornering, er well, you can't have 
|everything...

  Sure you can have everything, if by "everything" you mean fast straight line
performance AND handling - present day liter sport bikes have more horsepower
and have faster 0-60 and 1/4 mile times than the V-max...  Plus, they corner
just a bit better...

| Seriously, handling is probably as good as the big standards
|of the early 80's but not compareable to whats state of the art these days.

  Very true.

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

       "But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104708
From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: Solar battery chargers -- any good?

In article <1993Apr16.061736.8785@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> robert@Xenon.Stanf
ord.EDU (Robert Kennedy) writes:
>I've seen solar battery boosters, and they seem to come without any
>guarantee. On the other hand, I've heard that some people use them
>with success, although I have yet to communicate directly with such a
>person. Have you tried one? What was your experience? How did you use
>it (occasional charging, long-term leave-it-for-weeks, etc.)?
>
>    -- Robert Kennedy

I have a cheap solar charger that I keep in my car.  I purchased it via
some mail order catalog when the 4 year old battery in my Oldsmobile would
run down during Summer when I was riding my bike more than driving my car.
Knowing I'd be selling the car in a year or so, I purchased the charger.
Believe it or not, the thing worked.  The battery held a charge and
energetically started the car, many times after 4 or 5 weeks of just
sitting.

Eventually I had to purchase a new battery anyway because the Winter sun
wasn't strong enough due to its low angle.

I think I paid $29 or $30 for the charger.  There are more powerful, more
expensive ones, but I purchased the cheapest one I could find.

I've never used it on the bike because I have an E-Z Charger on it and
keep it plugged in all the time the bike is garaged.

Arnie Skurow

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104709
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???! 

In article <1qk3mqINN72e@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> gnome@pd.org writes:

>james.bessette (jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com) wrote:
>>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.
>
>Cam chain.
>

In that case why do they chase ST1100s & Goldwings?

Tony


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|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104710
From: sdun@isma.demon.co.uk (Stephen Dunne)
Subject: Re: GGRRRrrr!! Cages double-parking motorc

In <1qjmf6$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
>In article 34211@castle.ed.ac.uk, wbg@festival.ed.ac.uk (W Geake) writes:
>An apartment complex where I used to live tried this, only they put the
>thing over the driver's window, "so they couldn't miss it."  A friend
>damned near wrecked on the way home one night, her vision blocked by
>the sticker.  I suggested to the manager the ENORMOUS liability they

>Be careful about putting stickers on cages' windows.

Hmmm.. The LDDC security guards over here in Docklands only place parking 
stickers on the drivers SIDE windows.. But on reflection that could still 
cause an accident.. Suppose it's because people aren't as litigious over 
here as in the states :-)

Stephen
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104711
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <csundh30.734975106@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:

<tale of bike-eating-devil-dog deleted>

>Moral: I'm not really sure, but more and more I believe that bikers ought 
>       to be allowed to carry handguns.

Come to Louisiana where it is LEGAL to carry concealed weapons on a bike!

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104712
From: moseley@u.washington.edu (Steve L. Moseley)
Subject: Re: neck reining -was- Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1qmetg$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>
 egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>Basically, there are two ways to steer a horse, plow-rein and
>neck-rein.  Plow-reining steers him by keeping the reins separate, and
>you pull in the direction you wish to go.  Neck-reining steers a horse
>by holding the reins together in one hand, and pulling against the
>horse's neck in the direction you wish to go.  When training a
>plow-steering horse to neck-rein, one technique is to cross the reins
>under his necks.  Thus, when neck-reining to the left, the right rein
>pulls against the right side of the neck, but the left side of the bit
>(which the horse is used to from his plow-reining days).

I learned when riding bareback as a kid to "palm-reign", by just 
pushing on the right side of the horse's neck with your right palm to turn 
left - a lot like countersteering. So that came pretty easy to me in the 
transition to motorcycles. It took a while however to break my habit of 
kicking the rear fender with my heels to go faster.

Steve
__________________________________________________________________________
Steve L. Moseley                                  moseley@u.washington.edu
Microbiology SC-42                                Phone: (206) 543-2820
University of Washington                          FAX:   (206) 543-8297
Seattle, WA 98195

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104713
From: karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish)
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)

In article <C5K5BM.BtB@ms.uky.edu> cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks) writes:
>Do any Honda gurus know if I can replace the 
>the front sprocket on my 1979 Honda CB750K with a slightly larger one?
>(I see this as being preferable to reducing the size of the rear one)

That's a twin-cam, right?  There's a steel guard right next to
the sprocket to keep a broken chain from punching a hole in the
engine cases, and it's needed.  There's probably not enough room
to fit a bigger sprocket.

I'd be inclined to take two teeth off the rear for a 5% ratio
change rather than adding one to the front for about 7%.  If you
raise the overall gear ratio too much you'll impair the bike's
rideability, because the gears will be far enough apart that
there will be only one gear that provides adequate response at
any given speed.  Honda 750s don't have the widest of power
bands.
--

    Chuck Karish          karish@mindcraft.com
    (415) 323-9000 x117   karish@pangea.stanford.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104714
From: ak954@yfn.ysu.edu (Albion H. Bowers)
Subject: Re: ++BIKE SOLD OVER NET 600 MILES AWAY!++


In a previous article, essbaum@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Alexander Essbaum) says:

>In article <6130331@hplsla.hp.com>, kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:

>|> > Any other bikes sold long distances out there...I'd love to hear about
>|> it!

>|> I bought my VFR750 from a guy in San Jose via the net.  That's 825 miles
>|> according to my odometer!

>mark andy (living in pittsburgh) bought his RZ350 from a dude in
>massachusetts (or was it connecticut?).

I sold a bike via the net to a young lady who lived in Salt Lake City.  I
live near Lost Angeles.  It turned out we had mutual aquaintances at UCLA
as well. 


-- 
Al Bowers  DOD #900  Alfa  Ducati  Hobie  Kottke  'blad  Iaido  NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
                                             -Mary Chapin-Carpenter

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104715
From: kjk3@po.CWRU.Edu (Kathleen J. Kelly)
Subject: Re: Protective gear


I second the boots... oil spots from cars are particularly
slippery when parking the bikes, and  good boots help here as
well.
-- 
Squid

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104716
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <3aX42B1w164w@cellar.org>, craig@cellar.org (Saint Craig) wrote:
> 
> 	It can be done, contact Chaparell cycle supply, [...] Hey they even 
>  had sprockets for my VF1000R which is hard to find accesssories for. 

	I second that.  They even had sprockets for my R100rs - _very_ hard
	to find.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104717
From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

Sender: 
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Distribution: 
Organization: /usr/ens/etc/organization
Keywords: 


>>: As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
>>: right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
>>: down a rathole.

>>let my current membership lapse when it's
>>up for renewal.

>In my case that's not for another 3+ years, so I'd appreciate any
>hints on what will keep the organization in business that long.  (And
>preferably longer, of course, and worth being part of.)

Become an activist: campaign for an MC insurance program; for universal
driver/rider training before licensing. Pick a topic dear to your heart
and get the organization to act on it. Barnacles don't move ships.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104718
From: harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

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>Hey Ed, how do you explain the fact that you pull on a horse's reins
>left to go left?  :-)  Or am I confusing two threads here?

Unless they have been taught to "neck rein". Then the left rein is brought
to bear on the left side of horse's neck to go right.

Equestrian counter steering?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104719
From: mlj@af3.mlb.semi.harris.com (Marvin Jaster )
Subject: FOR SALE 

I am selling my Sportster to make room for a new FLHTCU.
This scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused.
Always garaged.

	1990 Sportster 883 Standard (blue)

	factory 1200cc conversion kit

	less than 8000 miles

	Branch ported and polished big valve heads

	Screamin Eagle carb

	Screamin Eagle cam

	adjustable pushrods

	Harley performance mufflers

	tachometer

	new Metzeler tires front and rear

	Progressive front fork springs

	Harley King and Queen seat and sissy bar

	everything chromed

	O-ring chain

	fork brace

	oil cooler and thermostat

	new Die-Hard battery

	bike cover

price: $7000.00
phone: hm 407/254-1398
       wk 407/724-7137
Melbourne, Florida

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104720
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Insurance and lotsa points...

Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.

I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.

Now what do I do?

(I could probably just sell the bike and return my DoD number,...
)

-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104721
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article <1qjn7i$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 26051@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>In article <1qc529$c1r@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>
>>>Single-track snow vehicles with front skis, and snow skis attached to
>>>skiers' legs, deform the surface of the snow, creating their own bank.
>>>Ice skates alter the phase of the ice, and also "carve" out their own
>>>tracks.
>>So what? 
>
>So they have bugger all to do with motorcycles.  Hence, any apparent
>similarity in handling characteristics may, or may *not* be analagous
>in its underlying physics to that behind motorcycle handling
>characteristics.

OK, as one last attempt, I'll take a different tack.

We all seem to be in agreement that there are two explanations for why
one can use the handlebars to lean a moving motorcycle. The question is,
is one of the effect dominant, and which one is it? The idea would be to
design an experiment which would seaprate the two characteristics, and
see which effect produces a similar result to the one with which those of
us who have bikes are familiar.

Let's look at the one that, so far, has sparked no controversy on its
own, gyroscopic precession. To examine this alone, we would have to
get rid of the contact patch effect, by not allowing the contact patches
to transmit any force. The wheels and steering mechanism would have to
remain, and be attached to a vehicle with about the same weight as a bike,
through suspension (so that the wheels transmit forces to the bike the
same way) similar to a bikes. An experiment would be to ride a bike along 
a dry road to get moving and to get the wheels spinning, then change 
surfaces to something that won't transmit forces through the contact 
patches, and try a steering manoeuvre to see if the bike leans. It 
probably would, since some of us know how easy it is to fall down on ice, 
but we wouldn't get a good idea of how well or what it feels like 
because, without the contact patches, we can't turn.  Maybe there's a 
better way. Besides, even ice doesn't get rid of the contact patch
forces altogether, so we'd have to find a really frictionless surface.
You'd have to try it again with the wheels locked to really know if it
was the rotation that did it.

Looking at the contact-patch effect only, however, is fairly simple.
Now we have to find a vehicle that gets the about the same magnitude and
direction of cantact patch forces as a motorcycle, and transmits them
about the same way to the vehicle, but without rotating wheels.
How it gets the contact patch forces is irrelevant, we're just looking
for something that has contact patches that can go straight and not
sideways, and skis or skates would do fine. I don't know of any snow-ski
or skate bikes, but up here we have the Suzuki Wetbike that is arranged
like a motorcycle but has fat water skis where there should be wheels.
I think the propellor is in front of the rear ski, or something like
that, but we could try it at a coast to get rid of most of its effect.
Now I admit that this is second hand info (although I'd love to try
one of these), but the review in the local cycle rag and a guy in
a bike shop that sells them both say that this machine handles very
much like a motorcycle, in that you countersteer it to turn.
So we have contact patches that transmit similar forces to a bike's,
a similar suspension arrangement, and no gyroscopes, but we do have
countersteering.

Conclusion: you don't need gyroscopes to countersteer vehicles that have
motorcycle-like contact patch arrangements. We still don't know what
real effect the gyroscopes have when they're there, but from my observations
of how handlebar angle, force, etc. relate to steering in general, I'm 
willing to bet that they're not the dominant factor in countersteering. 

If you don't like this conclusion, then don't accept it, but my motorcycle's
behaviour is consistent with it. If someone can prove otherwise, go ahead.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104722
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

In article <1993Apr15.220511.11311@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>	Do I have to be the one to say it?
>
>	DON'T BE SO STUPID AS TO LEAVE YOUR HELMET ON THE SEAT WHERE IT CAN
>	FALL DOWN AND GO BOOM!

True enough. I put it on the ground if it's free of spooge, or directly
on my head otherwise.

>	That kind of fall is what the helmet is designed to protect against.

Not exactly. The helmet has a lot less energy if your head isn't in it, and
there's no lump inside to compress the liner against the shell. Is a drop
off the seat enough to crack the shell? I doubt it, but you can always
send it to be inspected.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104723
From: galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu (Denis McKeon)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

In article <nielsmm-150493114522@nanna.imv.aau.dk> nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen) writes:
>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
>
>Did I do the right thing?

Well, I used to get mad, and either try to communicate my anger to jerks,
or to, uhm, educate them in how to improve their manners in traffic.
Now I just try to get them off my tail.

In heavy traffic I slow down a bit, mostly so I have more buffer zone in
front to balance the minimal buffer behind, but I also often find that the 
jerk behind will notice traffic moving faster in other lanes, switch
into one of them, and pass me - which is fine, because then I can keep a
better eye on the jerk from behind, while looking ahead, rather than
from in front, while splitting my attention between ahead and the mirrors.

In traffic so heavy that there is no way for the jerk to pass,
I might pull over, as if to look for a street number or name,
(still ignoring the jerk) just to get the jerk off my tail.  

If this all sounds, well, wimpy or un-Denizenly or pessimistic, or perhaps 
(for any psych types) passive-aggressive, consider that I prefer to get
my adrenaline jollies from riding, rather than from yelling at jerks.  

A ride can improve my whole day, while yelling at a jerk is likely (for
me) to ruin my ride or my day with my own anger.  In the worst case,
yelling at the jerk could ruin my life - since even a tiny jerk in a
cage behind me is better armed (with the cage) than I am on a bike. 

On the other hand, you might try subtly arranging to be the last
vehicle to legally cross one or more intersections, leaving the jerk
waiting for cross traffic (and thus off your tail), or crossing
illegally (hopefully in front of the waiting police).

Like almost everything here, your choices and mileage will vary.

--
Denis McKeon	
galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104724
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

In article <3102@shaman.wv.tek.com> harmons@.WV.TEK.COM (Harmon Sommer) writes:
>>>> As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but [...]
>>>let my current membership lapse when it's up for renewal.
>>[...] hints on what will keep the organization in business that long.
>
>Become an activist: campaign for an MC insurance program; for universal
>driver/rider training before licensing. Pick a topic dear to your heart
>and get the organization to act on it. Barnacles don't move ships.

You're obviously not referring to any of the three above-quoted
individuals, because barnacles don't each send $20 to the crew of the
ship to keep it moving.

"Get the organization to act on it" is easy to say, but says little
about what one really can and should do.  What the organization
actually will do is largely determined by the president and directors,
as far as I can see.  That's what makes it so important to vote in an
election of officers.

It does strike me that the BMWMOA is a lot less politically active (in
the state and national arenas, not infighting) than other M/C
organizations.  Should we change this?  Or just join the other groups
that already are in politics?

(Incidentally, the political hazards to motorcycle riders in the US at
the moment don't compare to the problems of some other groups like gun
owners.  Just try to take up target pistol shooting in the Northeast
or California, and I bet you'll wish you only had to worry about
wearing a helmet.  (Why does every thread on rec.moto eventually come
around to guns?))

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104725
From: kendall@adobe.com (Janice Kendall)
Subject: Looking for Women's Motorcycle Helmet

 I'm looking to buy a used motorcycle helmet.  I'm interested in a full
 face shield, but not necessarily a helmet with the piece around the chin.

 Please email me directly.
   
 Janice Kendall    kendall@adobe.com    ...!{decwrl|sun}!adobe!kendall

		ONWARD; THRU THE FOG!  (TM)
				- Oat Willie's (TM)
 


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104726
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <1993Apr15.222224.1@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
>hello there
>ican anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>comment on its handling .

From _Cycle_World_ magazine (5/93) (who usually never says _anything_
bad about any motorcycle):

"The Max certainly has motor, but there are some things it is short of.
It is short of chassis.  It loves straight lines; aimed in one, it is
nicely stable.  But it is not overfond of corners.  Forced into one, it
protests, shaking its head, chattering its front tire, grinding its
footpegs, and generally making known its preference for straight
pavement.  Bumps?  It doesn't like them either.  Its fork isn't too bad,
though it is soft enough that it can be bottomed under hard braking.
The shocks, though which work on that short-travel, shaft-drive
swingarm, are firm to the point of harshness."

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104727
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

Apparently that last post was a little hasy, since I
called around to more places and got quotes for less
than 600 and 425.  Liability only, of course.

Plus, one palced will give me C7C for my car + liab on the bike for
only 1350 total, which ain't bad at all.

So I won't go with the first place I called, that's
fer sure.


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104728
From: der10@cus.cam.ac.uk (David Rourke)
Subject: xs1100 timing

Could some kind soul tell me the advance timing/revs for a 1981 xs1100 special
(bought in Canada).

thanks.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104729
From: mlj@af3.mlb.semi.harris.com (Marvin Jaster )
Subject: FOR SALE

I am selling my Sportster to make room for a new FLHTCU.
This scoot is in excellent condition and has never been wrecked or abused.
Always garaged.

	1990 Sportster 883 Standard (blue)

	factory 1200cc conversion kit

	less than 8000 miles

	Branch ported and polished big valve heads

	Screamin Eagle carb

	Screamin Eagle cam

	adjustable pushrods

	Harley performance mufflers

	tachometer

	new Metzeler tires front and rear

	Progressive front fork springs

	Harley King and Queen seat and sissy bar

	everything chromed

	O-ring chain

	fork brace

	oil cooler and thermostat

	new Die-Hard battery

	bike cover

price: $7000.00
phone: hm 407/254-1398
       wk 407/724-7137
Melbourne, Florida



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104730
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Stolen  AARGHHHH.....

In article <JPOLITO.93Apr15095753@sysgem1.encore.com> jpolito@sysgem1.encore.com (Jonathan Polito) writes:
>
>In article <1993Apr15.002222.23057@microunity.com> ericm@microunity.com (Eric Murray) writes:
>
>   Watch out.  Often when some scumbag steals the cover, that means
>   that they were or are looking to steal the bike.  In my case, I
>   had a faded cover stolen off a bmw R100RS that was stashed in an
>   apartment carport and not visible from the street.  They evidently
>   decided the beemer wasn't worth stealing, but did try the next night to
>   steal a Honda Hurricane 600 parked in the next apartment building.
>   A neighbor heard them wheeling it out and called the cops.
>
>
>I know this is just setting myself up, but this is actually one of the
>things that is really good about BMW bikes.  From all accounts I've
>heard practically no one steals BMWs. Probably it is similar for Moto
>Guzzis and other relative "exotics" since there isn't a large demand
>for parts and the bike would be much easier to track down. It seems
>that the most stolen bikes are Harleys and 600cc Jap sport bikes. 

Well, I'd say you're mostly right, but for different reasons. (BTW, as of a
couple years ago, the most stolen bikes in Orange County and SF were 750
GSX's and Ninjas). Probably the biggest reason BMWs aren't ripped off is that
most people who buy BMWs will only deal with the actual BMW dealer, or mail-
order types. Most of these can have their inventory checked fairly easily
by law-enforcement types, and their mark-up is usually sufficient to keep 
them honest about acquiring parts. 

For Harleys and rice-rockets, you've got 2 different situations. There is a
HUGE aftermarket in Harley parts, so a bike can be parted out fairly easily.
Ditto the non-sport Japanese bikes, but the prices on the parts for these are
not as high, comparatively. For the 'rockets', anytime a bike goes down, the 
plastic is usually cracked, and is expensive to replace. It's fairly easy,
then, for a disreputable shop to take a fairing from a stolen bike, slap it
on a bike in for repair, repaint it, and make a tidy profit. The other parts,
more traceable, can be used, or discarded if they are too traceable.

Mike
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Document_id: 104731
From: phj@remus.rutgers.edu (P. Ju)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

L629159@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM writes:

>(Thread degenerated to comparative costs of MSF courses deleted...)

>Hey!  Even at the highest price mentioned ($140 US) the course is

$200 in Glassboro, New Jersey  :(

>a bargain. Worth every penny, and there are lots of things you'll
>get related to your bike that won't feel that way about.

Patricia
phj@remus.rutgers.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104732
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: BMW heated grips

In article <C5xy2x.35G@world.std.com> artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell) writes:
>bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:
>
>>To those of you who have the BMW heated handgrips:
>
>>	What are they like during the summer? Yes, you
>>	wiseguy, I mean while they are off!
>
>>	Are they comfortable? 
>They're a hard rubber-like compound. I always wear some kind of glove
>(fingerless) on the hottest days. Given those two factors,
>They're OK, but certainly not cushy.

When I needed heated grips I made them from pieces of an old bicycle
inner tube and a cheap electric heating pad from the drugstore, on top
of foam grips: soft *and* warm.  Cheaper by about a factor of 5, too.

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104733
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Death of a 2 stroke - why did it die?

zebee@wattle.itd.adelaide.edu.au (Zebee Johnstone) writes:


[Loads of horrendous MZ engine problems deleted]

>Any ideas folks?

Yeah, buy a four-stroke.

:-)



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104734
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <C5w9y0.EBt@cmptrc.lonestar.org>, neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal
Howard) wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey, the Lone Biker of the Apocalypse (see Raising Arizona) had flames coming
> out of both his exhaust pipes. I love to toggle the kill switch on my Sportster
> to produce flaming backfires, especially underneath overpasses at night (it's
> loud and lights up the whole underpass!!!

	It does!  I do it to keep people off my ass.  They really back
	away when they see canon fire rolling out the back of a Harley.
	
	Oh, yea.  It raises hell with the baffles.  
====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104735
Subject: Re: Posted Gif of BMW R100S
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <1993Apr22.201652.17882@news.columbia.edu>,
scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 	Went and played w/Columbia's scanner and scanned in a bunch of
> 	pictures of my new (to me) 1977 BMW R100S. They are, however, not
> 	color, but 256 greyscale Gifs. 

	Mind posting those to the euro archive?  We have a directory
	specifically for BMWs.

	ftp:  134.29.65.5  (Vax2.Winona.MSUS.EDU)
 user: euro
 pass: spooge
 cd bmw

get and put as you please.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104736
From: bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding

hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:

>In article <1993Apr18.100318.12715@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk (Andy Woodward) writes:
>>I generally find that after two or three decent hits of nitrous, my riding
>>>improves enormously.  Drinking is silly, your breath smells, it costs lots
>>>of money and the pigs can detect it with their machines.  NO2 works for me,
>>>try it.
>>
>>And its free.... just sit behind an old car in a jam, and breathe deeply.

>Only if there is a dentist in the car :-)

Otherwise you get NO2 out the back.

>Me thinks you gots your gases confused.  What comes out of cars is
>Carbon Monoxide.  What comes out of whippits is Nitrous Oxide.
  CO                                                N2O


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104737
From: inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU
Subject: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

About a year and half ago when I first started riding, I took a MSF course. I
have taken those lessons to heart.  Over the past year I have had only a few 
near collisions with traffic morons on four wheels.  Yesterday I got to add
another to the list but with this one I felt the most helpless.  I am sitting
at a light about 1 - 2 car lengths behind a car, a wise decsion.  Suddenly I 
hear screeching tires.  I dart my eyes to my mirrors and realize it's the 
moroon flying up right behind me, in my panic I pop my clutch and stall the
bike.  Luckily the guy stops a foot behind my rear wheel.

I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104738
From: karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr)
Subject: Re: I NEED YOUR ADVICE! (I'm a new rider)

In article <1993Apr21.233803.18471@bsu-ucs> 00cjmelching@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>The tachometer has a sticker right on it that says "for the first 500 
>miles DO NOT go over 4,000 rpm's, and for the next 500 miles, don't go
>over 6,000.  (referred to as the break-in period if you didn't know.)
>
>Well, if I were to do that, I would never be going over 35 mph even in
>6th gear!!!  So my question is, will it hurt my new cycle to take it up 
>in the 6-7000 rpm range so that I can at least go the speed limit????

But you already can go at the speed limit at 4000 rpm.  All you need
to do is to find a road with a 35 mph speed limit.

This isn't quite as silly as it sounds.  If you take a nice day trip
over back roads (*not* highways full of people trying seriously to get
from here to there) then you might be able to hold 35 mph comfortably.
You could easily do 500 miles over three different weekends.  You
might even get to enjoy some of the scenery.  Yes, I know this is
probably not why you bought a 250 called "Ninja."

-- David Karr (karr@cs.cornell.edu)
-- '80 BMW R65   DoD #0969   also BMWMOA, NRA, ACLU, et al.



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104739
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Subject: Re: Please tell me they're not permenant scratches!

mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:

>bobm@brimstone (Bob Morley) writes:

>>In article <sfpPIsK00WB64HPO5e@andrew.cmu.edu>, Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>>> While "passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
>>> and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
>>> rid of these?  Buff them out?  Wax them out? help!

McGuyers makes a full line of polishing compounds and waxes... Read
the lables and pick the one that matches the marks that you see on the
paint. Then do both you and your fiance a favor by putting a nice
thick coat of the carnuba wax on the bike. After that those little
scratches will just buff out.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104740
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Re: How to buy a first bike, etc.

In article <C5x6vH.1In@inform.co.nz>, dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales) writes:
> In article <1993Apr20.083340.2309@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>> There have been a *lot* of posts lately about "I wanna buy my first bike - is a
>> GSXR/ZX/CBR/FZR a good bike to learn on?" etc.
> 
> Sure they are. Here we can buy:
> 
> GSXR250 / GSXR400
> CBR250  / CBR400
> FZR250  / FZR400
> ZXR400
> 
> So what's the problem? Small agile learner's bikes.

Well, the problem just _might_ be that you can't buy any of these bikes in
North America. (Except the GSXR 400 -> Bandit 400)
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104741
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: <None>

I am thinking of going on a motorcycle tour in New Zealand in the
November-January timeframe.

There are a few tour companies doing this, notably Beach Tours.

Can anyone who has done this let me know of their experiences, both good and
bad?
Thanks.
 -- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104742
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

In article <1993Apr23.121316.1564@news.columbia.edu>, rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
|> When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?
|> 

Too easy.  When you are dragging your pegs while driving in a 
straight line.

Actually I've driven in 50 mph side winds with just a little
difficulty.

===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104743
From: Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca>
Subject: Re: Contemplating Ottawa->San Francisco->Ottawa trip

In article <lbpvs=l@quantum.qnx.com> David Gibbs, dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com
writes:
>Greetings rec.motorcyclists.
>
>Coming up labour day weekend this year, Worldcon (World Science Fiction
>Convention) will be held in San Francisco (California).  I am planning
>to attend and have been speculating on doing my trip there by motorcycle
>instead of by plane (as was my initial thought.) 
>
>I live (and would be departing from) Ottawa, Ontario (Canada).
>
>I had planned to take two weeks for this trip, giving me 5 days travel
>time on either side of the weekend.
>
>This looks like a distance of about 2800 miles (4500 km).

If your distance calc is correct for an "on the road distance" (and not
as the crow flies), this is 900km a day for 5 days.  If you spend the
entire time on interstates, which would be a total waste of time, that's
at least 8 hours on the road every day not including eating/peeing/
sight-seeing etc.

I was contemplating a similar trip, but from Ottawa to LA, or
maybe Ottawa to Austin Tx.  

I figured if I wanna do a trip of this magnitude and enjoy it, I'd
have to get my ass off the major Interstates and spend LOTS of
time enjoying the country around me; i.e. stopping with a camera,
meeting towns-people, going to a few bars.  No sense spending 2 weeks
looking out a helmet with the closest human contact found at the gas
pump.

I estimated I'd need at least 4-5 weeks to make the trip worthwhile.

>I am looking for input, opinions, comments, or snarky remarks on:
>1. My sanity.

In question 8:)

>2. Suggested routes.  (Note, getting there is important, and my
>   schedule doesn't leave a lot of room for side trips, or circuitous
>   routes)

Try and stay off the interstates!!!

>5. Anybody who wants to join me on this trip.  (For even part of the
>   distance.)

Depending on your route and my plans, I may be heading that way as far
as at least Detroit.

>7. Anything that comes to mind, and that you think might be relevant.


Call the Whithorse Pess.  They're a book distributer catering to
Motorcyclists.  They have a large number of books highlighting
the best roads FOR MOTORCYCLISTS along the general route
you're looking at.  They carry listings of bed and breakfasts
all through the States which accept motorcyclists.  Order their free
catalog and within you'll probably find books covering absolutely
all you needs for this trip.  Their #'s in the Motorcyclist and/or
Cycle World classifieds.

>Thanks for any input.
>
>-David Gibbs                          (dagibbs@qnx.com)
>Kawasaki Concours                     DOD# 585

O.K.

Dave D.F.
"It's true they say that money talks.  When mine spoke it said
'Buy me a Drink!'."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104744
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

In article 1564@news.columbia.edu, rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:
>When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

When it's too windy to stand.

When you're on the road in high winds, stay alert.  Even more alert
than your "alert 'cause you're on a motorcycle and they're out to kill
you" kind of alert.  Be aware of the terrain, and how it may funnel
wind in sudden gusts (well, not gusts to somebody standing there, but
it's gusty 'cause you ride through it).  If you are riding in a steady
crosswind, be aware of a hill that will block the wind, and adjust your
lean angle.  Be aware of passing trucks to your windward side, your
lean angle will change dramatically both as you enter and as you leave
their turbulance cone.  Reducing your profile may help, ie, lean on the
gas tank and kiss the triple clamp.  Keep a nimble hand on the
steering, be ready to countersteer into and out of sudden wind bursts.
Keep a larger than usual buffer zone, both ahead and behind, and to the
side, you can easily be blown half a lane over before you can react by
countersteering.  Keep a close eye on traffic in your mirror, if
someone is coming up wanting to pass, get out of their way early.  Stop
often for short brakes, extensive riding in high winds is both mentally
and physically fatiguing.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104745
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:

>And introducing a new polysyllabic word (strabismic, for example) 

Polysyllabic is polysyllabic too....

:-)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104746
From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias)
Subject: Re: Starting trouble CBR600F2

In article <97z5=sf@rpi.edu> chungy2@aix.rpi.edu (Yau Felix Chung) writes:
>
>I am having trouble starting (keeping running) my 1992 CBR600F2.  I have
>had problems with it since last year, but it seemed to have subsided.  Now
>it's back again.  Problem persists regardless of choke usage pattern,
>gasoline type (brand & octane) and pretty much anything else I can imagine
>to change.  The dealer is stumped (it's still under warranty).
>
>I start the bike.  It runs great for a while (45-90 seconds) then the engine
>starts to slow down.  DECREASING the idle setting will INCREASE the engine
>speed.  INCREASING the choke INCREASES the engine speed.  Regardless, the
>engine will eventually slow down (and stop).  
>
>Once stopped, it will not restart (even after flooded engine drill).  If
>I let it sit (45-90 minutes) it starts beautifully and runs great for ever.
>So I go out, ride it hard for 100 miles and bring it back, ride it easy 
>for a few miles to let it cool down, and put it away.
>
>Next day, I go thru the same drill to get it going.
>
>Any ideas?  Has anyone seen this before?

Another F2 rider had similiar problems, and this is the mail I sent him,
hope this helps resolve you problem!

AT


> 
> Allen Tobias writes:
>  > Check the vent tube to the tank. Sometimes the tube is clogged or constricted.
>  > This prevents gas from flowing into the carbs because of the vacuum created by
>  > the displacement of the gasoline. This is the small tube on the bottom of the 
>  > tank, the large tube is the overflow. You will have to remove the left side
>  > tail section to get access to this area. 
>  > 
>  > Good Luck!
>  > 
> but if it was clogged, wouldn't this interfere with engine operation all
> the time ? When it runs, it runs well. 
> 
Good point, did not catch this in the original post. The only other things 
which come to mind, since this is a gravity feed fuel system, is this.
The fuel petcock valve is vacuum controlled from the #1 carburator. Let
suppose there is a small hole or bad seal either in the hose itself or the
vacuum valve in the fuel petcock. When it is cold, the hole is open enough
to open the valve just enough to allow gas to the carbs with the choke on, 
since the choke creates more low pressure in the carbs when on to draw gas, 
and as the engine and surrounding area warm up, the hole seals up. 

One way to check fuel flow through the valve would be to pull the side 
panels off and remove the fuel hose to the carbs. Connect a tube of the 
correct size, preferably clear tubing to observe fuel flow, on the output
side of the fuel petcock. Remove the control hose from #1 carburator. Make
sure the tank is full. Place the valve in the ON position and apply vacuum 
to the control hose, preferably with a vacuum device with a gauge, to check 
for air leaks. With vacuum applied, fuel should flow freely. To see if there is
a vent problem, do this with the fuel filler cap open and closed, if it 
flows a lot faster with the filler cap open, then there may be something in 
the vent airway which changes position and depending on the position may clog 
or partially clog the vent. I have heard of some F2 fuel tanks being replaced 
to fix this problem. So the things which might be defective are, the control
hose from #1 carb, the petcock valve, and possibly the fuel tank vent.

Now if all of the above shows no problem of fuel flow when cold, then there 
is something in the carbs screwed up, but there are so many things to check, 
I would be typing all day to list them all! 

Here are a few, with everything back together, apply vacuum to the petcock valve
and open the drain holes on the carbs one by one to check fuel flow. Open up the
airbox and check for foreign debris or clogged airways on the carbs, there are
quite a few on each carb.

I hope something is flushed out with all this trouble shooting. If American
Honda does not resolve this, get MAD AS HELL and report them to the BBB and
call the Honda Customer Service HOTLINE. It is a 800 number, but I don't recall
it off the top of my head. I called just about tires for my F2 and a few days
later a customer satisfaction inquiry card arrived at home asking how I liked
the support I received, here would be your chance to tell them what you think!

Buy the service manual on the F2, it is an invaluable source of information
for working on your bike and I might add, trouble shooting!

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104747
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: bikes

jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>
>>>I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
>>>     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
>>>                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>>
>>Do you know what Syd meant when he wrote that line??

>Damn, am I in the wrong newsgroup again?


Wrong newsgroup or no, What did Syd mean when he wrote that line?

-Erc, the always curious.                              DoD# 1138

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104748
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <C5wqsr.56L@myrddin.imat.com> nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) writes:
>In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>
>>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>>
>
>	Careful... I was similarly impressed with it at first.
>	But recently I have started finding RUST spots on the
>	chain.
>
>	I went back to PJ1... at least the sucker never rusted
>	when I was using the BlueGoo(tm).

	Spray the chain wax onto the rollers and sideplates occassionally, and
rust will not be a problem.

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104749
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: XS 850 never needs valve adjustments?

smead@hpstc01.rose.hp.com (Steve Smead) writes:

>I bought a Yamaha XS850 with 8K miles.  Over the last 2 years, I've put 30K
>of commute miles onnit.  Valve adjustment intervals are suppossed to be every
>5K.  Well every 7.5K or so, I've checked the pad clearences, and they never
>change!  If anything, the clearances seem to be getting a little smaller which
>makes no sense to me with the pad system - the pads should wear until the
>clearances are too great right?  I know that threaded adjusters can tighten 
>up, but I didn't think these kind could.

>Bottom lines is that I haven't touched my valves for 30K on this bike and
>they are still nice and quiet and if anything, the clearances are tighter...
>What's the deal?  Any other Yam triple owners notice extremely long valve
>adjustment intervals?

Yeah, I had an XS750 that was the same. The valve seats tend to wear 
very slowly, and anything that might get taken off the pad (which shouldn't
really wear) will tend to compensate - so it's a sort of self-compensating
system.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104750
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Dogs vs. Bikes

In article <93112.102846RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET> RMCCU@CUNYVM.BITNET (Robert Chambers) writes:
>In article <13605@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) says:
>>
>>If you can't you've obviously waited too long, or are not putting
>>much effort into it.
>>MY 80 lb dog (not always) used to fart all the time.
>>By making her notice it (of course the smell doesn't
>>bother HER! :), and thence kicking her outside (somewhat
>>literally), she came to realize that she shoudln't do it
>>(at least not around me)
>>And now, two years later, she still doesn't./
>
>So how big is this dog now?  about the size of cow ready to burst?

What's that supposed to mean?

She's 80 lbs.

Understand english? 1/2 ;)

She let wind break cause I fed her cheap food, and not
the same thing every time.  So she had to "adjust" to
each different brand for a while.


>
-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104751
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Its still cold, but...

In <1r7pli$hoc@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:

>In article <1993Apr22.112652.8210@aber.ac.uk> azw@aber.ac.uk(Andy Woodward) writes:
>>>Why just the other day a large
>>>group of us where lamenting how much we admire and wish we could be just
>>>like those macho British studs we've all grown up idolizing. 
>>
>>Well, and I thought all Yanks were parochial ostriches. So some of you
>>can at least aspire to better things......

>Andy, when are you ever going to get it straight?  All Yanks are 
>self-satisfied gits.  It's the Canadians that are parochial ostriches.


  No, the Yanks are. We are are midway through our insipid invasion of 
Florida and they aren't even aware of it yet.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       







Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104752
From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <1993Apr22.204012.29920@asl.dl.nec.com> drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp writes:
|Course, the only people who seem to be acting smug now probably have chain
|final drive (which, as we all know, is less efficient and has higher
|maintenance) and probably didn't know the answer at the start of the thread.

  When did *you* go out and change the laws of physics? :-)  According to some
numbers I used to see bandied around, shaft drive is on the order of 95-97%
efficient, while chain drive is closer to 99%...   Seems to me that this makes
*chain* drive more efficient, hmmmmm???

  And granted, shaft has a lot less maintenance, which is fine, if you don't
mind less performance... :-) :-)

Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013

       "But, this one goes to *eleven*..." - Nigel Tufnel, _Spinal Tap_


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104753
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <C5wDuw.L1o@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil> dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small) writes:
>In article <13608@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>>
>>Since the occurance, I've paid many
>>dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, 
>>and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous
>>assholes like yourself that think your SO above the
>>rest of the world because you've never had your
>>own little DD suaree.
>
>Some of us aren't that fucking stupid you cock sucking asshole.  That's why
>we haven't had our own little DD suaree.  I'm soo impressed that you've had
>to spend your own precious little dollars  to make up for your own stupid
>act.  Now go fuck off.
>
>
>
>Friends killed by Drunk Driving Assholes like Andress Infante:  2
>Children friends orphaned by Drunk Driving Assholes like Infante: 2
>
>
>
>Now who's the self-righteous asshole, you weak willed fuck head?
>
>

I think you are, small, feeble minded, bunghole.


Yeah, it was one stupid little act.

When are people like you gonna get it through they're thick
excuses for a skull to their pea-sized piece of shit they
call a brain that it _was_ _once_?

why don't you go back under the rock that the navy has provided
for you and your homophobic racist sexist asshole "friends" that
who give you daily rim jobs and place your opinion where it belongs,
UP YOUR ASS!?

Or, alternatively, blow me, you closeted wannabe.


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104754
From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: I NEED YOUR ADVICE! (I'm a new rider)

In article <1993Apr21.233803.18471@bsu-ucs> 00cjmelching@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:
>Well, if I were to do that, I would never be going over 35 mph even in
>6th gear!!!  So my question is, will it hurt my new cycle to take it up 
>in the 6-7000 rpm range so that I can at least go the speed limit????

I had the same inconvenience when I bought my EX-500; only I could at least
go 50 mph during the initial break-in.

Despite the high quality of motor oils and motorcycle engines these days,
I would follow the instructions, and just keep to city street riding for
the first 500 miles. Heck, those miles go by fast, and it's worth it to
know you haven't possibly screwed up your engine.

At the same time, this has all the makings of a 6-week-long thread debating
the whole break-in topic.

Alan

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104755
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: I NEED YOUR ADVICE! (I'm a new rider)

In article <1993Apr21.233803.18471@bsu-ucs> 00cjmelching@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu writes:

>I have a very important question that I haven't been able to find 
>an answer to...I've asked mechanics and others about this, but no 
>one can really give me an answer that satisfies me.


>I just bought a brand new Kawasaki Ninja 250.  I am a first-time buyer
>as well as a first-time rider and this bike seemed to satisfy all my
>needs.  This may be the reason I don't know the answer to this question:


>The tachometer has a sticker right on it that says "for the first 500 
>miles DO NOT go over 4,000 rpm's, and for the next 500 miles, don't go
>over 6,000.  (referred to as the break-in period if you didn't know.)


>Well, if I were to do that, I would never be going over 35 mph even in
>6th gear!!!  So my question is, will it hurt my new cycle to take it up 
>in the 6-7000 rpm range so that I can at least go the speed limit????


>Any information that ANY of you could give me would be greatly
>appreciated!!!!  Just send the reply to my account, or if you'd like,
>back to the net.  

>Thank you very much for taking the time to read/reply
>to this.

>Chris Melching

Go the speed limit.  As long as your not at the salt flats, you arn't gonna 
frag yer ride.  I wouldn't ride the DoD minimum until it had 500+ miles on 
it, but hell, I do that on a good weekend!

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                          Stolen Taglines...
                        HEY! Where did they go?
                      You don't think .... naahh.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104756
From: gnome@pd.org (Mike Mitten)
Subject: Re: dogs

Speedy Mercer (speedy@engr.latech.edu) wrote:
>LET fido have yer left arm.  As he bites it, bring your right forearm down 
>_HARD_ on the back of his neck while bushing back and up with the left arm 
>in fido's mouth.  This will be followed by a dull crack and one limp dog.  
>Total cost to you, a couple of holes in your left arm if you arn't wearing 
>leather.
 ^^^^^^^
So how does Aerostitch hold up with this procedure?  I'm ordering mine
Monday, May 3.  And I'm happy about it, too.  :-)  :-)

  -Mike

Mike Mitten - gnome@pd.org - ...!emory!pd.org!gnome - AMA#675197 - DoD#522
Irony is the spice of life.     '90 Bianchi Backstreet  '82 Suzuki GS850GL
"The revolution will not be televised."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104757
From: clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Rick Clarke)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

>>So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in.. 
David Gibbs replies:
>Just in case the original poster was looking for a serious answer,
>I'll supply one.
>
>Yes, even when steering no hands you do something quite similar
>to countersteering.  Basically to turn left, you to a quick wiggle
>of the bike to the right first, causing a counteracting lean to

I guess I was semi-serious. Without using my hands, I lean and the bike 
turns. When leaning, a torque is applied, at a 90deg angle to the front 
wheel's axle, just as in countersteering. However, this torque is also about 
90deg from the axis of the steering head. Instead of making the 
bike lean, gyroscopic effect makes the bars turn, but I don't remember 
which way.

-Rick

Oh yeah, I tried this in the driveway, on the centestand,(as suggested 
somewhere else) but it doesn't seem to work the same.


 
Rick Clarke  (clarke@bdrc.bd.com)
AMA# something,something,... 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104758
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1993Apr23.143128.21344@dsd.es.com>, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
> [flaming tutorial for the novice]. Another thing to consider is,
> that like Mexican food, a lot of folks mistake heat for quality. Subtle
> references to various personal qualities/habits/ancestry/possesions
> generally earn more points than four letter words or the caps lock key.
> And introducing a new polysyllabic word (strabismic, for example) is
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^
> likely to insure that some small part of your flame will become
> immortal.

Zounds!  There's a blast from the past indeed!  I'd nearly forgotten
about the strategic significance of strabismic in r.m lore.  It's
really good to see it proudly displayed again, although I'm sure
by now that its carbs are spooge-o-rama from long disuse.

Gosh, I'm tingling all over!

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104759
From: snuffy@zelator.in-berlin.de (Ronald_J. Bartle)
Subject: Low powered bikes/scooters...!


Does anybody share my opinion that in big-city traffic a bike can be so
low-powered that for example it cant accelerate out of trouble when
necessary..the "screwed-down" versions of bikes sold on the German
market with the different classes of liscence seems to make a lot of
middle aged men putt putt around on 25-40Km/Hr maschines that are
constantle getting in the way of "real" traffic!

Does anybody else have opinions on this topic!?

snuffy

-- 
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 "Ron is looking for new work Berlin"         (voice)+49.30.68963546
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104760
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

In article 3tu@menudo.uh.edu, inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU () writes:
>
>I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
>really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

An even better strategy is to leave less of a buffer between you and
the car in front, but enough to manuver around it.  Keep the bike in
1st gear with the clutch handle squeezed in (how's that for
engaged/disengaged?), until there are two cars stopped behind you.

When the next BDI cager comes screaching in, simply ride up along side
of the car in front of you.  You don't need to panic and do it, or you
will pop the clutch and stall the engine.  Do is smoothly, just
rapidly.  The cage in front of you will provide MUCH better protection
than anything else (particularly empty road).

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104762
From: nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

What worked for me on my RD350 was to lean towards the dog as I modulated
throttle to keep my ankle just ahead of his teeth.  After a few seconds of
warm pipe firmly wedged on his shoulder he turned his face sideways to see
what was so warm and got his mouth/nose/muzzle burned on the pipes.  One
yip and he veered away, never to chase me again.


Neil Kirby      DoD #0783       nak@archie.cbusa.att.com
AT&T Bell Labs  Columbus OH     USA (614) 860-5304
If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104763
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

In article <3153@shaman.wv.tek.com> robd@orca.wv.tek.com writes:
>In article <13712@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew 
>Infante) writes:
>> You really expect a cop to answer these honestly?
>> 
>> (First you gotta expect a cop to be honest...that's another
>> story...)
>
>Yeah, everybody knows cops always lie...and the people they deal with day in
>and day out *ALWAYS* tell the truth..."No sir, occifer sir, I wazznut drinking
>tonight, I was just playing around back there..." "No sir, I wasn't speeding,
>I was realy only going xxmph, it was that guy next to me...didn't ya see
>him?"
>
>Come on...stereotyping cops is no better than those that stereo type us. 
>What say we try to show the same open mind to those around us as we would
>ask for ourselves...I know its a stretch...but its worth a try.
>

My reason for saying that was 'cause _I_, if _I_ were a cop
wouldn't go out of my way to tell people how to break the law.

Would you?

The part about honesty was a joke, sorta.

Obviously, people have had bad experiences with cops
lying.  Obviously, nobody's perfect and nobody
_always_ tells the truth about everything.

(Or are you God? 1/4 ;)


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104764
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Daytona

In <RTARAZ.93Apr22104337@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:

>Well, I watched the Daytona race on TNN.  Boy for the people who saw
>it:
>Was the Yamaha a lot faster than the Kawi or what?  on the last
>stretch the Yami took of and left the Kawi in the dust.  I am a Kawi
>rider and am totaly disappointed in the Kawi!

  Lawson was on the Yamaha.

Not taking anything away from Russel, but, well...

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       








Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104765
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Re: Its still cold, but...

In article <C5y4t4.LA6@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>In <1r7pli$hoc@agate.berkeley.edu> robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>>Andy, when are you ever going to get it straight?  All Yanks are 
>>self-satisfied gits.  It's the Canadians that are parochial ostriches.
>
>  No, the Yanks are. We are are midway through our insipid invasion of 
>Florida and they aren't even aware of it yet.

Typical.  Their first attempt at foriegn-policy adventurism, and no one even
notices.

Canadians.  They can even make balkanization boring.


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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104766
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Locks and security (was Re: Yamaha Locks)

This is maybe not a Pet Peeve, but definitely a Playmate Peeve:

In article <C5uxrp.5F8@news2.cis.umn.edu> wfk@lynx.spa.umn.edu (Bill Ketzeback) writes:
|Any lock including the Kyptonite utypes are EASY to break into if the person has
|the proper supplies and/or motivation. 3 minutes and your bike is gone!
|I would be glad to explain but I dont want to contribute to any unlawful
|activities. 

Does this make anyone's Skeptic Alarm (tm) go off?  No offense, Bill, I
don't mean to say that you're not being straight, but I wonder how you
know about this?  Have you actually every used your secret method to break
all the different kinds of bike locks?  Or are you taking someone's word
for it?

The fact is, it is unlikely that someone reading anything here is going to
go into a successful bike-stealing business because they read anything in
rec.motorcycles.  So please tell us what you are talking about.  We can't
even protect against an assault, or discuss methods, if you don't come out
with it.

See, I have heard the ones about the pipes, and the liquid nitrogen, and the
cordless Dremel tools, and a bunch of other ones.  The most plausable method
(I am not a bike thief, so I really don't know for certain) is just to put
a rod through each wheel, and use four guys to just lift the bike into a
truck.  This works because most people don't lock their bikes TO anything.
Since that method is so childishly easy, I figure a nice, visible chain or
cable locking the bike to something is likely to make a lazy thief go on
to the next bike.

(Hey, finally an advantage to the weight and high CG of the Concours!  :-)

|Especially since I have a bike that I would hate to see ripped off
|by such a trival tactic. WARNING NO lock alone is a safe deterent against theft,
|the thief doesnt need to be a locksmith or a lock-picker to walk away with your
|property!  I personally think motion alarms in combination to a lock
|of this type is the way to go if in fact you are that concerned.

What tactic are you referring to?  If we don't know what you are talking about,
we can't very well guard against it, can we?

For my money (literally) I rely on a combination of a motion-detector alarm
with pager when I'm out of earshot of the bike in a questionable area, C&C
insurance, and I try to park in obvious, visible areas with lots of people
about.  (See, if someone just plays with the bike without intention of
stealing it, at least some eyes are on it, and if they get too rambunctious,
they'll set off the alarm.)

That's for a nice bike.  For a ratbike, the trick is to always keep its
actual value well below blue-book, so that it looks so crappy nobody would
WANT to steal it, and even if they were stupid enough to, you would make
a profit on the deal.  :-)

Seriously, if I (for instance) need to go on a business trip for a week,
and (sadly) have to leave the bikes sitting, they both get a shitty-looking,
but useable cover, locked on, and both bikes locked to each other and a
curb bumper in the parking lot under the light.  I usually rig the cable
locks I use (aircraft cable) so that if anyone pulls on either bike or
the cable joining them, the Concours alarm goes off.  And I have a friend
come buy every day to have a look and make sure they're still there.  The
only thing I have ever had stolen was a $60 cover, and that was over 
winter storage, with the battery out of the bike (and thus no alarm).

Oh, put your own eyelets into the cover for the locks to pass through, and
place them so that they have to absolutely destroy the cover to get it off.

That's the best that I can think of.  Most of the locks I see people put
on bikes look, well, not too mechanically sound.  I like ABUS, since I have
personally removed Master locks from lockers with my boot.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104767
From: robg@apple.com (Rob Griffiths)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

In article <1r941o$3tu@menudo.uh.edu>, inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU wrote:
>
> [BDC driver nearly rams back of innocent biker...]
> 
> I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
> really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

Glad to hear that the bozo managed to stop.  I've only been riding for
about two years, but here are my rules for traffic light survival:

     - I try to *never* stop just over a hill behind a car.  If I have
       to stop in such a location, I pull almost completely next to the
       car in front of me.  If I'm the only one (ie no car in front), I
       turn the bike somewhat sideways across the lane, to increase my
       visibility to any oncoming vehicle.  Make sure to keep your
       taillight visible to traffic, though. (NOTE:  My bike is bright
       white; turning sideways on a black bike might not be as beneficial.)

     - On a flat road, I stop with a bit of room ahead of me (usually
       about two or three bike lengths).  This will (hopefully) give
       me room to pull forward and to the side as a car approaches.

     - If you are the last in a line of vehicles, watch your mirrors
       *constantly!*  If you see a vehicle approaching, and can't see
       any evidence to indicate that he/she is slowing down, get out
       of the way *now!*

     - Flicker your brake light.  If I'm the last vehicle in line, I
       will pull and release the brake as a car approaches from
       behind (noticed the car by watching my mirrors, of course :-).
       I vary the speed of the flicker, hoping to make the cager notice
       that there's something in the lane ahead of him.

Now, with all that said, it's the situation where you are first in line
that I feel most defenseless.  If you're first in line, your forward escape
route is seriously limited - you can only move forward to the extent that
you don't enter the intersection.  I leave some room behind the stop line
(although around here, the #@$*! light activators are always right up 
next to the stop line!), and watch the mirrors.  I *think* I've decided
that hopping off the bike might be the best way out of this situation.
Any other ideas for being first in line with no traffic directly behind
you?

-rob.

--
Rob Griffiths  | Erasure.ShonaLaing.WildSwans.B52s.U2.JudyBats.REM.Smiths
robg@apple.com |  FAA Certified cloud basher  I wanna drive the Zamboni!

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104768
From: jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

While on my bike I wave to anyone who looks.  Sort of like the "small town"
or "wide open spaces" type thing that someone from Louisiana mentioned. (Like
when I'm in Arkansas or Helena MT.)  Kids are especially fun - both genders
(Watch it Cliff!! :-) )  

In the cage I usually wave to bikers.  They usually don't wave back.  My wife
thinks it's strange but I don't care.

Jim Bessette
james.bessette@att.com


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104769
From: BONG@slac.stanford.edu (Eric Bong)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <C5y8Gp.1An@cbnews.cb.att.com>, nak@cbnews.cb.att.com
(neil.a.kirby) wrote:
> 
> What worked for me on my RD350 was to lean towards the dog as I modulated
> throttle to keep my ankle just ahead of his teeth.  After a few seconds of
> warm pipe firmly wedged on his shoulder he turned his face sideways to see
> what was so warm and got his mouth/nose/muzzle burned on the pipes.  One
> yip and he veered away, never to chase me again.

  Nice ridin' Tex. I use the California DMV recommended technique:
slow as you aproach said dog and wick it up as you pass. I've often
contemplated putting the boot in said dog's muzzle as I open the 
throttle, but have never tried that. I figgure the impact would 
unballance me and I'd dump the bike. A bicycling technique I've
employed was to use my frame mounted tire pump to fend off dog
attacks. On one occasion I was attacked by a pack of four dogs at
once while peddaling up a steep hill. I lost my right sock, but no
blood. I complained to the local Animal Control department (after
complaining to the owner of the dogs to no affect) about the dogs;
no more dogs, no more attacks. The telephone worked much better
than the tire pump.

Eric Bong DoD #0270
1986 FZ750
1987 FZR750
1991 VFR750

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104770
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

In article <1993Apr23.121316.1564@news.columbia.edu> Rob Castro writes:
>When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

Isn't that one of those self-evident things like, "how do you decide that
you're out of gas"?

I have never experienced wind so severe it physically precluded operation
of a motorcycle.  It's more a matter of deciding whether the aggravation
is more trouble than it's worth.  This of course, depends entirely on your
own particular circumstances and personal disposition.



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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104771
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1993Apr23.143128.21344@dsd.es.com> bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <ltdv8aINN3hb@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
>>In article <1r6ob9$oav@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>
>>>And of course, you will get a moderate amount of flamage
>>>just for expressing an opinion, no matter what the opinion is *somebody*
>>>will flame you for it.
>>
>>"Hey, what the hell do you mean by that?  You suck.  I have a god-given
>>right to express opinions, carry a gun and to not wear a helmet, goddamn 
>>it. Everything you stand for is STUPID."
>
>I'd give it an 0.5 on a scale of 10. While not mentioning Hitler or
>Koresh weighs in your favor, you also neglected to mention 105 mph, tennis
>balls, little girls and countersteering. Another thing to consider is,

	...or centerstands, or weasel squeezers, or ....

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104772
From: asper@calvin.uucp (Alan E. Asper)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <BONG-230493121730@kfp-slac-mac.slac.stanford.edu> BONG@slac.stanford.edu (Eric Bong) writes:
>  Nice ridin' Tex. I use the California DMV recommended technique:
>slow as you aproach said dog and wick it up as you pass. I've often

This must be the standard strategy that is taught, cuz that's what they told
me to do in my Illinois MSF class. It works well, only you don't get the
satisfaction of kicking the shit out of some rabid hell-beast.

Alan



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104773
From: k21701@kyyppari.hkkk.fi (Teppo Nieminen)
Subject: Kawi KZ 750 partial engine disassembly ?

My Kawasaki KZ 750 L4 has 2-3 millimetres of play on the gearchange
pedal axle, in other words, I can move the axle sideways & up-and-down
for few millimetres to each direction. This doesn't bother me when
riding, but I guess fixing it wouldn't hurt. Last summer I took the
bike to a shop to have the valves adjusted, and the mechanic mentioned
that it should be an easy job. All I would have to do is to remove the
front sprocket cover and replace a bushing or a seal that I would find
there. Well, upon a closer inspection I discovered that the gearchange
axle doesn't even run through the sprocket cover. It seems that, in
addition to removing the cover, I would have at least to remove the
sprocket and then the cover that is behind the sprocket.

Question : Would removing this small cover from the left side of the
engine enable me to lay my hands on that bushing/seal (Don't know the
exact term in english, sorry) ?

Question : Has anybody done this disassembly job for this or some
other purpose ? Does the oil, for example, stay inside the engine ?

Thanks !

Teppo Nieminen
DoD #2000
Zoo Mc Helsinki Finland


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104774
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Passenger helmet sizing

In article <1qk5oi$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>In article 211353@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com, maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>> 
>> The question for the day is re: passenger helmets, if you don't know for 
>>certain who's gonna ride with you (like say you meet them at a .... church 
>>meeting, yeah, that's the ticket)... What are some guidelines? Should I just 
>>pick up another shoei in my size to have a backup helmet (XL), or should I 
>>maybe get an inexpensive one of a smaller size to accomodate my likely 
>>passenger? 
>
>If your primary concern is protecting the passenger in the event of a
>crash, have him or her fitted for a helmet that is their size.  If your
>primary concern is complying with stupid helmet laws, carry a real big
>spare (you can put a big or small head in a big helmet, but not in a
>small one).

While shopping for a passenger helmet, I noticed that in many cases the
external dimensions of the helmets were the same from S through XL.  The
difference was the amount of inside padding.

My solution was to buy a large helmet, and construct a removable liner 
from a sheet of .5" closed-cell foam and some satin (glued to the inside
surface).  The result is a reasonably snug fit on my smallest-headed pillion
with the liner in, and a comfortable fit on my largest-headed pillion with
the liner out.  Everyone else gets linered or not by best fit.



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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104775
From: tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss)
Subject: Re: BMW MOA members read this!

Bill Ranck writes:

>As a new BMW owner I was thinking about signing up for the MOA, but
>right now it is beginning to look suspiciously like throwing money
>down a rathole.
>   When you guys sort this out let me know.
>
><--
>*******************************************************************************
>* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
>* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
>*******************************************************************************

Ditto for me..

-Tim Seiss
 '92K75S
 '89KX250

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104776
From: gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison)
Subject: Re: Used Bikes, East vs. West Coasts

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / groverc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Grover Cleveland) /  9:07 am  Apr 14, 1993 /
Shop for your bike in Sacramento - the Bay area prices are
always much higher than elsewhere in the state.

GC
----------
Affirmative! Check Sacramento Bee, Fresno Bee, Modesto, Stockton,
Bakersfield and other newspapers for prices of motos in the
classifieds...a large main public library ought to have a
number of out-of-town papers. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104777
From: gdhg8823@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George Heinz)
Subject: What do I do with OLD gasoline? HELP!

I have a '72 CL350 which I stopped riding about 2 years ago (I upgraded
to an '84 Sabre 750).  I parked it in the corner of my parking lot, and planned
on draining the gas, spraying oil in the tank, etc. to get it ready to store.
Well, after a lot of procrastination, all I ended up doing was throwing a 
tarp on it.

Well, now I have to move and want to clean up the 350.  I tried starting it
(with someone else's battery) and had no luck.  My first guess is that it is
the gas and so I plan on draining it and replacing it with new gas (I can only
pray that I didn't trash the carbeurators).  The question is, what do I do
with this old gas?  I am not going to run it in my Sabre, and I think that
there is enough that I don't want to burn it (campus police don't think
too kindly about bonfires).  Dumping it isn't a great idea.        

Thanks for any ideas,
George Heinz

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104778
From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:

>Are there traditional
>signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???

My experience is when they pound their fists on your back it means "slow down".

Seriously, concentrate on being very smooth, and you will make her
experience much more enjoyable.  Even a normal upshift causes your
passenger to bob, so I ease off the throttle before pulling in the
clutch to eliminate this.  It's more work, but your passenger will
appreciate it!  Also, I've found that using more rear brake than normal
helps keep the bike from diving as much during routine stops, which
makes it much easier for the passenger to hang on.  If you're going
sport riding, have the passenger reach around you and brace themselves
against the tank so you don't have to bear both your weights with your
arms.  (Again your bike will dive less too)

-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104779
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>and copped <heh> an attitude when he was stopped?  Speaking as a guy
>who recieved a *verbal warning* for 146mph in a 55, I just have to laugh.
 

Hey Dan, 
Some potentially cool story stuff here... Do share the details.
*I* never get a break, probably most of us don't either, so please, 
enlighten and enliven, and let us live vicariously.

Waitin' for that story...


-Erc. 
GrandRapids, MI, USA
`90 VFR750f
DoD# 1138


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104780
From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: DoD Confessional

In article <1993Apr21.053721.551@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>
>I hate pre'80s motorcycles.
>
>At first I thought it was a phase.  I though I would
>get used to them.  It didn't happen.  I tried gazing
>at CB750s and 900 customs, 

	Thats pretty hard since CB900 customs weren't introduced
	until 1980.  If you find a pre-80 one, hold onto it.  It
	will be worth big bucks some day.

>What am I to do?  Everytime I read a .sig containing 
>some spoked wheel wonder, I shudder and feel pity that
>the poor soul has suffered enough.  

	Mine has comstar wheels.  Methinks you need to do
	your homework better.

>= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
>===================================================

	And obviously, neither do you.

-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
AMA			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104781
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <speedy.173@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
>In article <5295@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
>>*Everything* in Louisiana is related to liquor:  eating, sleeping, walking,
>>talking, church, state, life, death, and everything in between.
>
>How DARE you make such an accusation!  

Accusation?  I thought it was a recommendation.  (I mean, I did grow up there,
I oughta know).

>If We wern't so busy unloading the beer truck for the week end, 
>I might just come up that and have a talk wit you! B->

Bring the truck and about 10 pounds of crawfish and we'll talk.



-- 
Ray Shea    		 
UniSQL, Inc.		 	
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu 
DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT     

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104782
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1r6ob9$oav@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>And of course, you will get a moderate amount of flamage
>just for expressing an opinion, no matter what the opinion is *somebody*
>will flame you for it.

Oh, Bill, you are so full of shit.  That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.




ObMOTO:  I happened to miss the discussion of deltabox frames, if there was
one, because I actually needed to get some work done last week.  So if anybody
would care to repeat what got said (since I was the guy who asked, and I'm
still ignorant) could you email me?  Thanks.





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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104783
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1993Apr23.143128.21344@dsd.es.com> bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <ltdv8aINN3hb@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
[...]
>>"Hey, what the hell do you mean by that?  You suck.  I have a god-given
>>right to express opinions, carry a gun and to not wear a helmet, goddamn 
>>it. Everything you stand for is STUPID."
>
>I'd give it an 0.5 on a scale of 10. While not mentioning Hitler or
>Koresh weighs in your favor, you also neglected to mention 105 mph, tennis
>balls, little girls and countersteering. Another thing to consider is,
>that like Mexican food, a lot of folks mistake heat for quality. Subtle
>references to various personal qualities/habits/ancestry/possesions
>generally earn more points than four letter words or the caps lock key.
>And introducing a new polysyllabic word (strabismic, for example) is
>likely to insure that some small part of your flame will become
>immortal.
>-- 
>Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
>bgardner@dsd.es.com

Aw, c'mon.  The serious overreaction ought to be worth a couple of points,
not to mention the bit condemning everthing the flamee might ever say.
The non sequitur about guns and helmets is just the proper flourish.

I personally am of the opinion that there are two types of good flames.
The first does trade ``quality,'' in the sense you mention, for heat.
This has a certain surprise value and if done correctly, which I
contend was done above, is reasonably entertaining.  While it is true that
the flame I posted does not mention anyone's habitual velocity, friends,
dinner, or entertainment, it says what it needs to with the appropriate
flair and it is short.  The weakness of this type of flame is actually
that it can easily be taken too far, at which point it becomes trite and
boring.  (Witness the Infante thread recently....)

The other type of flame, which you seem to be glorifying above, has
a few weaknesses as well.  In the first place, it can get verbose and 
tedious in the extreme, particularly if the reader does not already strongly
identify with one side or the other.  In the second, discussing someone's
personal qualities, habits, and so forth can quickly become libelous.
(Or is that slanderous?  I can never remember the difference.)  This leads
to a proliferation of lawyers, which is widely regarded as a BAD THING.
Finally, introducing polysyllabic words is problematic.  I can't haul my
big dic. around on my bike, and it would be bad form to use a word which
actually turned out to have a meaning, especially one which ran counter
to my use and flamage in general.

In summary, Blaine, your score for that flame is incorrect.  While it may
be the wunder-flame, the weaknesses you point out are not necessarily
weaknesses, and your suggested corrections are not always useful nor
applicable.  You also probably couldn't outrun a tennis ball with a
flatulent dog stapled to your posterior, and I'll bet you and your 
motorcycle lean to the outside while turning.  The same goes for anyone
who looks like you, too.


-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104784
From: jscosta@srv.PacBell.COM (Jon Costa)
Subject: Are other riders welcome to join group


When riding in a group, generally speaking, do most people mind when
another rider tags along?

I had the distinct feeling I may not have been welcome when I tagged 
along with a group last weekend.

Jon
Faults are like car headlights. Those of others seem more glaring than our own.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104785
From: smm@cthulu.UU.NET (Steve Mansfield)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <93Apr22.205325.32751@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
|> In article <1r48c7$k35@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
|> >In article 21311@adobe.com, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
|> >>In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
|> >>}Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
|> >>}we have *all* the advantages.
|> >>
|> >>I agree with this 100%. 
|> >
|> >Me, too... for chihuahua's.  The police and the military don't train
|> >dobermans and shephards and use them as weapons because they are so
|> >easy for the average Joe to defeat barehanded.  You may have opposing
|> >thumbs, but the dog has teeth so effective some of yours are named for
|> >him.  He has IR vision, better hearing and better smell than you do,
|> >and most likely faster reflexes.
|> >
|> >You're on a motorcycle, he's on paws.  Roll on and blow him off.  He
|> >doesn't even have net access.
|> 
|> Oh bull pucky, Ed. They use dogs because a) Many people are
|> scared shitless of them and b) because of the nose and the
|> vision and hearing. Without their cop partner in attendance,
|> the dog is so much meat in the hands of any human with
|> a bad attitude and al ittle training in violent force.

Oh horse puckey.  Without their cop partner in attendance, they are less likely
to be controllable *without* the use of force which would kill the dog.

|> 
|> Those teeth aren't very much good with an arm shoved into the
|> back
|> of the animals throat and held there, and the neck is not

O.k.  so you've disabled the dog's mouth, and given up use of your arm to do
so.  How `bout them front and read paws, and the fact that to plug up that 
mouth you've given the dog the advantage of balance...

|> espcially strong. neither are the leg joints which can be
|> easily snapped, or the skull easily crushed, on even the largest
|> dogs.

Have you ever tried to snap leg or crush the skull of a dog without use of 
hardened instruments such as a baseball bat?  Without the use of both arms and
full cooperation of the beastie involved, it's not *that* easy.  Oh, but wait,
you've got your arm shoved in the dogs mouth.  You lose....

|> Your advice is correct, but a dog is still no match for a trained
|> human in a fight.

Oh *now* you qualify you earlier statement by saying a *trained* human.  

|> >>}Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
|> >>}we have *all* the advantages.

Most people here have not been trained to deal with a dog that wants to maul
you.  get a clue.

|> 
|> Regards, Charles
|> -- 
|> Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
|> separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
|> struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
|> gourd. --Unknown net.person

Steve Mansfield	  | I was told theres a miracle for each day that I try.  I was
smm@uunet.uu.net  | told there's new love that born for each one that has died.
1983 Suzuki GS550E| I was told there'll be no one to call on when I feel alone
DoD# 1718	  | and afraid.  I was told if you dream of the next world
                  | you'll find yourself swimming in a lake of fire.
                Dream Theater - Metropolis-Part I "The Miracle and the Sleeper"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104786
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <MELLON.93Apr21145149@pepper.ncd.com> mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
writes:
> 
> On a long ride with my ex-girlfriend Nancy, I would notice her
> drifting off every so often [...]

	I swore off taking passengers over ten years ago, but I recall
 Sturgis, 1981 getting some strange looks because my passenger
 was reading a book.  She was so engrossed that she didn't even
 notice when we hit a roadkill to make the hit-of-the-day
 with the riders behind us.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104787
From: lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands)
Subject: Paint jobs in the UK

Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area. 

Thanks 

Lisa Rowlands
-- 
Alex Technologies Ltd		CP House
				97-107 Uxbridge Road
Tel: 	+44 (0)81 566 2307	Ealing
Fax: 	+44 (0)81 566 2308	LONDON
email:	lisa@alex.com		W5 5LT

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104788
From: davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
: kevinh, on the Tue, 20 Apr 1993 13:23:01 GMT wibbled:

Jonathan Quist bemoaned:

: : |> Yes, it's a minor blasphemy that U.S. companies would ?? on the likes 
of A.M.,
: : |> Jaguar, or (sob) Lotus.  It's outright sacrilege for RR to have 
non-British
: : |> ownership.  It's a fundamental thing

Lotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was 
late and too pricey.  If they can write off the Elan development costs the may 
be able to sell them for a sensible price.


: : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
: : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
: : the name.

: : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

: I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR.  It's a seperate
: company from the RR Aero-Engine company. 

It's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars. 

And yes Kevin it is posts, Morgan use a sliding pillar front suspension.

Ob Bike (at long bleeding last): When will that Pettefar bloke get a mail 
address so we can bung him on the Ogri list?

dave
--
David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk
Queen Mary & Westfield College  DoD#0777 Guzzi Le Mans 1000
"This means the end of the horse-drawn Zeppelin."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104789
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Observation re: helmets

maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) wrote:
>  
>  Grf. Dropped my Shoei RF-200 off the seat of my bike while trying to rock 
> it onto it's centerstand, chipped the heck out of the paint on it...

Gravity. It'll never let you down, er up, er...

Lesson: Put your helmet on the ground or your head. If you put it on the
ground, it isn't gonna fall down _to_ the ground. If you put it on your
head, well...

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104790
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) wrote:
> 
> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
> >tjohnson@tazmanian.prime.com (Tod Johnson (617) 275-1800 x2317) writes:
> [...]
> >>Sure there are horns but my hand is already on the throttle. Should we
> >>get into how many feet a bike going 55mph goes in .30 seconds; or
> >>how long it would take me to push my horn button??
> [...]
> >The answer is 161.33 feet.
> [...]
> 
> Try something like 24.2 feet. 
> 
> EdGetACalculator

Right. ROM numbers (easy to remember) 100 mph ~= 150 ft/sec.

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104791
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: More MOA stuff --- like the RA

In article <C5p26B.A3x@world.std.com>, artc@world.std.com (Art Campbell)
wrote:
> 
> OK -- so we've got a hotly contested BMWOA election and some inept 
> leadership.
> 
> My question is the history of the BMW organization that lead to the
> formation of the BMWRA. Was there something going on in the OA years
> ago that precipitated the formation of two competing owner's groups?

Yep. Both were started (nominally) simultaneously. Splitsville from the
start (ie, if my sources are correct, one guy was involved in the start of
both groups. true?)

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104792
From: cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady)
Subject: Re: Bikes And Contacts

The best thing to do is to get a full face, even if it is a
cheap brain bucket.  I didn't think a full face was important
until I took a gnarly spill and ended up sliding 20 feet on my
face.  Plus with the visor down, you also have no worries about
your contacts.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104793
From: cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

There's also Billy Jack, The Wild One, Smokey and the Bandit
(Where Jerry Reed runs his truck over Motorcycle Gangs Bikes),
and a video tape documentary on the Hell's Angels I
found in a rental store once

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104794
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist

The Angel Levine writes:


>It's exactly as dangerous as it looks.

Did you have anyone in particular in mind there Jody?

:-)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104795
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question?

lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:

>There has been a running thread on the need to understand
>countersteering.  I have seen a lot of opinion, but not much of it has
>any basis in fact or study.  The bottom line is:

>The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among
>the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study.

>The "average rider" does not identify that countersteering alone
>provides the primary input to effect motorcycle lean by themselves,
>even after many years of practice.

I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt
study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure*
to swerve? In most of the accidents and near accidents that I've seen, riders
will almost always stand on the brakes as hard as they dare, simply because
the instinct to brake in the face of danger is so strong that it over-rides
everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive
manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally preferable?



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104796
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Looking for Women's Motorcycle Helmet

lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:

>Hi Janice

>I don't know if I'm being unduly cautious, but I wouldn't buy a used helmet, not for normal road use anyway. You never really know what's happened to them in their past life !

>Have fun,

>Lisa Rowlands

I'll second that!! I saw a list somewhere of all the stuff that it was 
unwise to buy secondhand - stuff like parachutes, toilet paper, condoms
and motorcycle helmets...

Seriously though, why take the risk? You are extremely unlikely to get
a good-fitting secondhand helmet, cos life just doesn't work like that!
And as Lisa says, you never know where it's been before...



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104797
From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>

In Article <C5quw0.Btq@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> "mikeh@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Hollyman)" says:
> Hi, I have an 82 CB750 Custom that I just replaced the cylinder head gasket
> on.  Now when I put it back together again, it wouldn't idle at all.  It was
> only running on 2-3 cylinders and it would backfire and spit flames out the
> exhaust on the right side.  The exhaust is 4-2 MAC.  I bought new plugs
> today and it runs very rough and still won't idle.  I am quite sure the fine
> tune knobs on the carbs are messed up.  I checked the timing, it was fine, so
> I advanced it a little and that didn't help.  
> 
> I assume the carbs need to be synched.  Can I buy a kit and do this myself?
> If so, what kit is the best for the price.
> 
> Any other suggestions?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> Mike Hollyman
> 
It sounds like you got the cam timing off..........

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104798
From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)
Subject: Re: Antifreeze/coolant

In Article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com> "behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)" says:
> 	For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,
> what brand of coolant do you use and why?  I am looking for aluminum-safe
> coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.
> (Can you believe it:  the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official
> Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!!  No way I'm paying that usury...)
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
> Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
> agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
> 
I thought that all coolants were aluminum safe any more. But I would
like to know more since I must tear down my Kawasaki (again I must add).

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104799
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: First bike: Honda Ascot?

In article <C5tH9w.78o@csi.compuserve.com> nbetz@csi.compuserve.com (Nathan Betz) writes:

>Hi folks.
> 
>I'm going to be buying my first bike and I'm considering an 82
>Honda Ascot FT500 with less than 5K miles. Does this sound like a
>reasonable choice? Is there anything special I need to know?
> 
>Thanks.
> 
>-Nathan

Nice litle bike.  I loved riding my brother-in-law's.

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104800
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks)

To follow-up, I had a bad experience w/ a Krypto Lock too...

Last year I bought a Krypto Cable II (3/8"x3-4' long, something like that)
that by all standards seemed like a decent piece.  Until I used it anyway...
Before I ever used it for security purposes, I used it for entertainment
(minds out of the gutter, please), which is to say that I sat fiddling w/
it while watching TV (the night I got it).  After three minutes of mindless
fiddling (of course it was mindless, remember I was watching TV) the entire
tumbler mechanism came out on the key!  Not unlike that old Georgie-porgie
nursery rhyme.  This left a very empty cylinder and a very non-secure 
(read "swingin' in the breeze") cable lock.
Kinda makes me wonder about any flat key-style lock.  One yank w/ a 
slide-hammer and Viola-- I'm making an insurance claim.

Anyone else have a similar experience (w/ the Kryptos, not bike theft)?

-Erc.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104801
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Paint jobs in the UK

lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:

>Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs, preferably but not essentially in the London area. 

>Thanks 

>Lisa Rowlands

Try Dream Machine, 0602 736615. I've seen a few examples of their
work and it looks pretty good. They're in the midlands though...




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104802
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Cager antics on the football field...


There was an article in one of the U.K. dailies this week
about a soccer goalkeeper who had to be carried off the
field after a collision with a Ford Sierra cage.

Seems the cage driver wanted to turn around, but needed to
drive onto the pitch to do this, so he waited till the ball
and most of the players were up the other end. Unfortunately,
as soon as he started his manouvre someone booted the ball back down
the pitch, the goalkeeper ran backwards towards his goal, straight
into the cage!



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104803
From: bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:

>Since the occurance, I've paid many
>dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, 
>and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous
>assholes like yourself that think your SO above the
>rest of the world because you've never had your
>own little DD suaree.

"The devil made me do it!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104804
From: lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto)
Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question?

>>>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 1993 12:30:30 GMT, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) said:
Mike> lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
Me> The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among
Me> the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study.

Mike> I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt
Mike> study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure*
Mike> to swerve?

Yes, it was specifically the *ability* or understanding of the
technique which was absent.  We have made a lot of progress between
rider education and responsibility over the last ten-twenty years...
but I am still amazed anytime I teach an ERC how many people of many
year riding experience "discover" countersteering for cornering or
swerving.

Mike> everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive
Mike> manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally
Mike> preferable?

The specific recommandation cited in the Hurt study was that a formal
"street strategy", like SIPDE for example, was the most important
component of any rider education curriculum.  The specific skills of
emergency braking, cornering and swerving must be taught and practiced
as well, but more significant was that 35% of rider did NOTHING
confronted with a potential accident, and another third collided or
fell over as a result of rider error.  The choice of specific maneuver
is much less significant to the outcome than early detection and
the proper execution of ANY effective countermeasure.
--
Jerry Lotto <lotto@lhasa.harvard.edu>         MSFCI, HOGSSC, BCSO, AMA, DoD #18
Chemistry Dept., Harvard Univ.  "It's my Harley, and I'll ride if I want to..."

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104805
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last 

Pete Young, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 08:29:21 GMT wibbled:
: Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:

: : Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Another newbie bites the dust, eh?  They'll learn.

: Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was
: in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag.
Is this bit funny?

: Most of the people who made this group interesting 3 or 4 years ago
: are no longer around and I only have time to make a random sweep
: once a week or so. Hence I missed most of this thread. 
I'm terribly sorry.

: Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm,
: wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I
: assumed you were serious. Mea culpa.
I know, I know. Subtlety is sort of, you know, subtle, isn't it.

: Still, it's nice to see that BNR are doing so well that they can afford
: to overpay some contractors to sit and read news all day.
That's foreign firms for you.


..and a touchy newbie, at that.

What's the matter, too much starch in the undies?
--

Nick (the Considerate Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford   None Gum-Chewer

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
                                   (-

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104806
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

Charles Parr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:25:10 GMT wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:

: >If Satan rode a bike (CB1000?) would you stop to help him?

: Of course! We riders have to stick together, you know...Besides,
: he'd stop for me.

: Satan, by the way, rides a Vincent. So does God.

: Jesus rides an RZ350, the Angels get Ariels, and the demons
: all ride Matchless 500s.

: I know, because they talk to me through the fillings in my teeth.

: Regards, Charles
: DoD0.001
: RZ350
: -- 
: Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
: separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
: struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
: gourd. --Unknown net.person


I think that the Vincent is the wrong sort of bike for Satan to ride.
Honda have just brought out the CB1000 (look in BIKE Magazine) which
looks so evil that Satan would not hesitate to ride it.  17-hole DMs,
Levi 501s and a black bomber jacket.  I'm not sure about the helmet,
oh, I know, one of those Darth Vader ones.  There you go.  Satan.
Anybody seen him lately?  Just a cruisin'?

God would ride a Vincent White Lightning with rightous injection.
He'd wear a one-piece leather suit with matching boots, helmet and gloves.
--

Nick (the Righteous Biker)  DoD 1069  Concise Oxford  New (non-leaky) gearbox

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
                                   (-

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104807
From: bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <bethdC5sv80.698@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>=================================================================
>Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
>1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
>1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
>1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
>"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
>                                                        -- ZZ Top
>=================================================================

Now just wait one cotton picking minute here.... DoD rule 417.1.2 section 6
paragraph 3 clearly indicates that multiple people can't lay claim to a bike
in an "obvious" ploy to "artificially" increase the size of their stable...

So the question of the day is... Is Spike owned by a lady of true class and
breeding (my definition: any woman who rides :-) ) or by Tom the harely head???
I also note that you lay no claim to Connie or Ol Sport. (Like I said, 
obviously a lady of discriminating taste...)

Bored minds wanta know.

bj...bradw@Newbridge.com... no .sig no .plan no.clue  >> DoD# 255 <<

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104808
From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

Don't find out if she has to pee by scaring it out of her.

Don't armorall the seat just before her first ride even if you think
you will need its urine-proofing qualities.

Henry Prange - biker/renal physiologist
Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405
DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215
ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2
The four tenets of all major religions:
1. I am right. 2. You are wrong.  3. Hence, you deserve to be punished.
4. By me.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104809
From: serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin)
Subject: Re: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)

>In article <1993Apr20.195116.123380@locus.com> dana@lando.la.locus.com (Dana H. Myers) writes:
>>In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com> hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
>>>In article <1993Apr15.192558.3314@icomsim.com> mmanning@icomsim.com (Michael Manning) writes:
>>>
>>>>duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>>>       ^^^^^^
>>>    excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.
>>
>>
>>Squids are everybody but me and you.  Chris Behanna is especially a squid.

A squid is the guy I saw back in December on cool 40 degree morning on my way
to work. He was wearing knee-length pants, light jacket, no gloves, though he
was going considerably slower than DoD nominal.

A POSER squid was the guy I saw yesterday on my way home.  Similar attire as
above sans jacket (it is April in Texas ya know), but he is riding down the
freeway, left hand on his side (kinda Robinhoodlike), with his body turned
slightly left.  Brings a whole new meaning to the term POSER.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104810
From: cds@ossi.com (Chris Seabrook)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

A few random thoughts on riding with a passenger:

There's no substitute for a bike with sufficient power, having taken
passengers very occasionally on the small (125 etc) bikes I used to
ride in the UK it was hard ! I'm now riding a GS1100 and that's great,
even moving from my freinds GSX600 I was riding recently. This may be due
in part to the fact that neither I, nor my regular passengers, are
particularly slimline !

I always tell passengers, stay in line with the bike on corners, that makes
their movements predictable.

My regular passengers both tend to hold either the rack or nothing at all,
I don't really like having a passenger hold onto me except for short periods.
Again that may be biased by the fact that I've had a couple of new passengers
(a friend recently for her first time on a bike) who hold on to me real tight,
making any kind of maneuvering difficult.

I've also discovered that on longer trips I prefer a passenger who moves and
shifts their weight a bit. I recently took a work collegue to a meeting (about
a 1 hour ride) and he sat totally still the whole way which left me also
sitting very still and getting a sore back.

We have a code system for turns, stop and for 'I need to shift position'.
-- 
Chris Seabrook, Fujitsu Open Systems Solutions Inc | Phone: +1-510-652-6200x118
6121 Hollis Street, Emeryville, CA 94608-2092, USA | Fax:   +1-510-652-5532
                                                   | DoD:    #0861
             Per saltire gules and Or, a sun counterchanged.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104811
From: frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro)
Subject: Hawk GT new seat review

Unable to stand the pain anymore, my wife bought the Corbin Gunfighter
and Lady with Passenger Backrest for my Hawk GT.

It came with no instructions, but it came 2 weeks earlier than they
said it would.  Installation would have been very easy, but the seat
fastening hardware was apparently always on the wrong sides with
the stock seat!  It never was easy to put on.  Once I figured that
out, the new seat went on the first try.  The passenger backrest, though,
does not fit as I thought it might.  The supplied screw to set the 
backrest angle does not fit, and I have not yet found a suitable, 
hard, ( SAE grade 8, or perhaps 5 ) 1/4-20 bolt that fits.  There is a
a soft bolt in there now -- just don't lean back.

The driver's section of the seat is a bit wider.  Seems comfortable
enough, but then again I put about 5000 miles on the stock seat
without a thought.  The passenger's section has about 8 times the 
volume of foam that the stock seat has, and from my short test it
seems much more comfortable.  The backrest helps a bit, but I've not 
has enough time to really test it.  The backrest also comes with a 
small pocket.  Its now more difficult to swing my leg up over the 
10" taller seat.

If I go on the three-notch ride soon ( Dixville, Pinkham & Smugglers),
I'll give a more complete report, but in general it seems like an
improvement.
-- 
	 Frank Evan Perdicaro 				Xyvision Color Systems
      Legalize guns, drugs and cash...today.		101 Edgewater Drive
   inhouse: frank@marvin, x5572				Wakefield MA
outhouse: frank@contex.com, 617-245-4100x5572		018801285

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104812
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>I bought it, I tried it:
>
>It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>
>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>

I'd try it on the VFR, but goddamn Competition Accessories hasn't mailed my
order yet.  Hell, it's only been two weeks and I was ordering some pretty
bizzare stuff.  Like a clear RF-200 face sheild, and a can of Chain Wax...
Bastards.

Dean
-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104813
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <arturo.735339956@infmx> arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega) writes:
>Has anyone else ever caught themselves waving at oncoming motorcycle riders
>while in a car?
>
I've caught myself doing it while on my bicycle.  Does that count?

Dean

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104814
From: wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack)
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies


Various posts about shafties can't do wheelies:

>: > No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
>: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
>: > off the ground
>
>Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my
>BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and
>you know what? He was right!

Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!

Bill    
__
wrs@gozer.mv.com (Bill Slack) DoD #430
But her tears were shed in vain and her every word was lost
In the rumble of his engine and the smoke from his exhaust! Oo..o&o
    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104815
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: dogs

Charles Parr (parr@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote:
: Oh bull pucky, Ed. They use dogs because a) Many people are
: scared shitless of them and b) because of the nose and the
: vision and hearing. Without their cop partner in attendance,
: the dog is so much meat in the hands of any human with
: a bad attitude and al ittle training in violent force.

One of the things that police dogs are used for is to
"take the bullet" instead of the human police officer.
As Charles said, many people are scared of dogs and will
panic when one goes on attack.  They will then turn their 
weapon on the dog and this allows the police officer to
take control.

: Your advice is correct, but a dog is still no match for a trained
: human in a fight.

A single person vs. a single dog in a face-to-face confrontation should
really be no contest.  The dog is no match for a human willing to fight.
Multiple dogs is a different story . . .
--
*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104816
From: mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com
Subject: DoD Pins...NOT!

Hi there kids and kidlets...


It your ol' pal the KotPM  (Keeper of the Pin Money!)


I've got good new and bad news...

	Good news - I got laid..er...
	The pins will be coming, to use the computer software phrase,  "real
	soon now"

	Bad news - Right after we placed our order, the company upped its
	minimum order for manufacturing.  We got in under the wire (with
	an order of 115 or so pins), but as a result of the low number of
	pins, we were relegated to the "we'll get to it in-between other
	runs" bin.  As a result, it seems that it may be another 4 or 5 weeks
	until your beloved Geeky is guiding you along the blacktop..  (And
	we thought madonnas on the dashboard were foolish; hmmm, now, if that
	were Madonna sitting on my dashboard, that could be DANGEROUS...hell.
	I'm tough.)

   SO...please continue to be patient.  As soon as they arrive, I'll post
   	the grand announcement, and rush our Messiah on his way directly
	to your abode.  In the meantime, if you need revised versions of the
	holy word of Geeky, please send $15.95 cash or money order (no COD's)
	to:

	Ranch Apocalyp...er......Ashram Geeky, 305 Cyberspace Place...

	I'm off to MSF class...hope it's not too BORING...my wife made me go
	with her!

	Michael Menard

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104817
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: story 

lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:

>>lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>>
>>>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the
>>>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of
>>>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The
>>>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The
>>>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY?
>>
>>
>>And still we wonder why they stereotype us...
>>
>>-Erc.

> Whacha mean 'we'...ifin they (whom ever 'they' are) want to stereotype me
>as one that likes to drink beer and watch lovely ladies display their
>beautiful bodies - I like that stereotype.
>  If you were refering 'stereotype' to infer a negative - you noticed we
>didn't rape, pillage, or burn down the town. We also left mucho bucks as in
>MONEY with the town. Me thinks the town LIKES us. Least they said so.
>                         Lynn Hall - NOS Bros


They bein' themfolk who tend to compose fair piece of the population;
bein the ones that regard bikers as a loud, irresponsible, irreverent,
reprobate rabble.  
Sure you didn't rape and pillage-- It's a relief to know that you were
such gentlemen-- but because you were not completely out-of-hand you 
justify your lesser indescretions?  Some pretty distorted thinking, I
should say.  
Oh-- I'm sorry, I just noticed that you left mucho bucks (as in MONEY)...
Nevermind my criticism, I was out of line.  I forgot that when one leaves
mucho bucks (as in MONEY) their behavior is permissable, perhaps even 
justified.

Keep in mind that "themfolks" are the ones that could give a %$#@! when 
a biker gets killed, when *their* elected officials institute further
draconian legislation (helmet laws, gun controls, etc.), the ones that don't 
respect our rights on the roads because we do not respect theirs all "the
rest of the time..."
Need I continue?

So continue to wear your stigma as a badge, but the next time you are
whining about "them" and the effect of their values on yours, remember
that it was probably the behavior of self-righteous wusses like myself
that kept "them" at bay for this long.

Enjoy,


-Erc.                                                             DoD# 1138

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104818
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: BMW heated grips

Mark Bergman (bergman@panix.com) wrote:

: To those of you who have the BMW heated handgrips:

: 	What are they like during the summer? Yes, you
: 	wiseguy, I mean while they are off!

: 	Are they comfortable? Do they transmit a lot of
: 	vibration? How do they compare to the stock grips?
: 	To foam grips? 

: Do they really make a difference during the winter?

I just got a K75 and had the heated grips installed.  As far as I can
tell the grips look and feel the same as the standard grips. 
They are *not* soft.  Last weekend I did a 500 mile round-trip and
got to a point where it was in the 30s and raining.  Those heated
grips were *great*.  I've only had the bike a month and the heated
grips are already one of my favorite features on the bike.
--
*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104819
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega) wrote:
> 
> maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> 
> ...<   >...
> > 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when 
> >you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. 
> 
> Has anyone else ever caught themselves waving at oncoming motorcycle riders
> while in a car?

Sure. It has caused my wife to conclude that I am totally insane, not just
partially:-}

Usually I just lift the left hand off the wheel and wave thru the
windshield. Damn near the same motion as on the bike:-}

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104820
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Tracing license plates of BDI cagers?

jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) wrote:
> 
> In article <1qmgg9$g2n@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
> >A traffic citation is an accusation of having committed a crime.
> >That's why they have to go through the motions of having a trial if you
> >want one, you are still innocent until proven guilty.  Cops are not the
> >only ones who can accuse people of committing crimes, anyone who
> >witnesses a crime can do so.
> >
> >Go to the Highway Patrol and explain the situation, give them a
> >description of the car and the license number, and tell them the
> >specific violation of the law which you witnessed and wish to prosecute
> >(ie, search the Vehicle Code and have the section number handy).  Fill
> >out the ticket and sign it.  It will go through the same system any
> >ticket a cop writes goes through.  If contested, you will have to
> >appear in court to prosecute.  Your word will not carry the same weight
> >as a cop's.
> 
> And, indeed, the advice I got from a police officer when I had my
> close call was that, without additional impartial witnesses, it
> would be my word vs. the other driver's, and that it was up to me
> to decide whether the time and inconvenience to me was worth the
> time and inconvenience to the other driver, and also whether any
> positive effect would result (beyond making me feel better).

My $0.02 worth: I did this once. BDI LadyCager in a Town Car passed me on
the right on a two lane road!:-{ I memorized her license plate (this in the
days before I carried pen and paper in my tankbag) and went to the local
police station. Cops filled out the ticket. I signed it. She paid it!

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104821
From: mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted

bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:

>In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mar
 Marten) writes:
>>
>>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow 
>>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has
>>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for 
>>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way!

>With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything
>would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank
>bag.
>-- 

I think the only thing to watch for is the number of attachment
straps.  Most come with 3 and some with 4, I have a Bagman 4 strap
tankbag and because the rear of the tank is so narrow the fit
is not optimal.

Mark, Castle Rock, CO




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104822
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: dogs

howland@noc.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland) writes:

>In article <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM>, 
>mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM (Mark Crispin) writes:
>|> I'm a biker and a dog-lover.

>No wonder bikers have such a horrid reputation.

"In Dog We Thrust"

:-)



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104823
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) wrote:
> 
> I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
> several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
> And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious
> things like that.  My questions would not be found in those places nor
> answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop.
> If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc.
> don't bother writing in.  Thanks.

Um. Would you mind telling us what state/municipality you live in? There
are different laws in different places, you know.

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104824
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: Hawk GT new seat review

I, too, put a corbin seat on my Hawk.  I got the solo seat (which
could carry a passenger for a short distance) and it is 100%
better than the stock seat.  No longer does my voice squeak after
the ride to work.

	<================================================> 
       /        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
      /    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
     /  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
    <========================================================>

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104825
From: binger@hsh.com
Subject: Re: Wanted: Advice for New Cylist

In article <1993Apr20.150337.2963@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>>So the question I have is "HOW DANGEROUS IS RIDING"?            
> 
> It's exactly as dangerous as it looks. You're hard to see and have little
> protection. Keeping out of trouble means knowing your limits, keeping your
> machine in good shape and being able to predict and make up for every stupid
> move that drivers make out there. We deal with it because it's fun, but
> staying alive takes a conscious effort.
> 
> I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
>      got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
>                          ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Thanks, Jody. I can't say I've ever seen it summed up so succinctly before.   
I might only add two things.... stupid road design (or poor, at least) and
we deal with it for the fun and *brotherhood* we share with others who take 
their lives in their hads to feel the wind in their hair....IMHO.

Binger

 //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
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   Welcome to The Attitude Express.   ||  "corporate" opinion?  If so, maybe
            Now get out.              ||  my boss will let ME express it. :-)
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104826
From: ellert@v32.uh.cwru.edu ()
Subject: Re: dogs


In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
>Path: usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!news.uakron.edu!malgudi.oar.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!destroyer!cs.ubc.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!kakwa.ucs.ualberta.ca!acs.ucalgary.ca!parr
>From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
>Subject: Re: dogs
>Message-ID: <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca>
>Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 19:39:58 GMT
>References: <MS-C.735160298.1147902781.mrc@Ikkoku-Kan.Panda.COM> <C5pntM.8Co@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
>Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca
>Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta
>Lines: 26
>
>In article <C5pntM.8Co@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>
>What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?
>
>You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
>off!
>
>Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
>we have *all* the advantages.
>

This was a recent discussion on rec.martial-arts.  Humans definitely don't
have all the advantages. Dogs are deceptively strong and often bred for
fighting of one sort or another.

Ed
DoD #1110

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104827
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: Newbie

Yes, Matt, dear Newbie, best advice is read here foe a few days.
This is your best source of info.

(Kinda makes me glad that I discovered r.m well after I got into riding--
 could I have possibly sounded like *that* otherwise?  --eesh.)

BTW Matt, despite the insults you are destined to face, great move 
on taking the MSF course.  It will save your butt.

Good Luck,

-Erc.               DoD# 1138


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104828
From: Sang.Shin@launchpad.unc.edu (SANG SHIN)
Subject: Re: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks)

Hi.

I'm not sure what the other guy (can't track down his post for his name)
was talking about when he made the claim that cobralinks are not adjustable.
They are.  There's a space between each link where the "teeth" of the 
locking head notch in.  Thus, each link is a possible locking point.

Also, (and this is not applicable to hard-core thieves who cart around
liquid nitrogen and oxy-acetylene torches) the cobralinks "LOOK" a lot
more effective than kryptonite cable locks (IMHO) and I think the initial
appearance effect is more relevant to bored-joyriders-nominally-adept-at-
cracking-unsecured-bike deterrence, as long as the lock is nominally 
functional.

Finally, I notice that when I ride with my leathers, harness boots, and
the cobralinks slung across like a bandolier (BTW, I've crashed in the rain
dressed like this and the lock didn't pulverize any vertebrae), cagers give
me a much wider berth, don't hassle me, and tend to avoid any potentially
inflammatory action at stoplights.

I love my cobralinks almost as much as I love my pre-80's Honda dinosaur.
(I think I have a pavlovian drool reflex-I put the lock on (i.e., on my
body) and I can feel the bike already shaking away).

My first post.  What did I do wrong :)?

sang
DoD #0846
'80 CX500

p.s. any other CX500 owners out there?  Please e-mail me. Got 
questions about the weird handling on my bike.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104829
From: shoun@netcom.com (Lissa Shoun)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <1993Apr18.191521.11604@microsoft.com> 
chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih) writes:
>
>Generic bike riders actually seem to raise the hand entirely
>off the handlebar and wave it around, so it's easy to tell
>when they're waving.

And DoDers are easily recognized by their own special wave.
Pay attention and I'll tell you how to do it. Hold your left hand out
in front of you, fingers straight but apart - like a vase. You may also
use your right hand if you have a throttle lock or are stopped. Bring
your fingertips and thumb together, touch, and open back to the starting
position. While you are doing this, move your hand slowly to the left.
Do it gracefully and with a waving motion. You are now imitating a
squid propelling itself about underwater probably in search of food,
drink, squids of the appropriate sexual orientation, or other squids to
go riding with.

-- 
Lissa
shoun@netcom.com     (408) 926-0812

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104830
From: pubs1@plx.com (Temporary Technical Writer)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

Because riding a passenger doesn't really depend on the type of bike.
The things you want a passenger to do/not do is the same.  Ergo, if he's
asking advice, I reasoned he doesn't have much practice, period.  If
you say he does, fine.  I still wouldn't take the uninitiated up a
road that's all switch backs and reverse/center/uncrowned roadway, not
to mention the BDCs and squids who will also be on that particular
road.  He asked for advice, and even though it wasn't what he meant,
I still consider it some of the best I've read. 

Lee   

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104831
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

Ivan D. Reid, on the 23 Apr 1993 06:05 PST wibbled:
: In article <1993Apr23.121316.1564@news.columbia.edu>, Rob Castro writes...
: >When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

: 	When even the seagulls are walking.   :-)

: Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
: GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484

When you can make no headway into the wind?

When you hear a dull booming noise after going down hill with the
wind behind you and you're WFO.  

Be very careful during the above, as all the controls will have the 
opposite effect.
--

Nick (the Mach 0.22 Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
                                   (-

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104832
From: mmaser@engr.UVic.CA (Michael  Maser)
Subject: Re: How to act in front of traffic jerks

21 Apr 1993 10:28:02 Gillian E Runcie Writes:

>>being a mere female, I have often found I can't really take the big offensive line >>with asshole car drivers, so I found a more subtle and nastly
>>ooops I mean nasty way to get back at them. If somebody cuts you up, just wait till >>they have pulled out past you, and then gently lean over and
>>bend their aerial, every time I have done that it has eventually snapped
>>off near the base - which tends to go undetected for a while and is a bummer to >>replace.
>>
>>
>>gillian

Dear Gillian

That is such a wickedly cool idea; why didn't I think of it??? However, here
in Canada the aerials (antenna) are usually near the driver or passenger areas
and I would surely be seen......but I'll give it a try anyway.

Thanks for the first truely useable piece of information I have heard in a long
time (and you are by no means a mere female, as this way at getting back takes
real guts to do).

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104833
From: mmaser@engr.UVic.CA (Michael  Maser)
Subject: Re: dogs

-->car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
-->
-->What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?
-->
-->You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
-->off!
-->
-->Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
-->we have *all* the advantages.
-->
--
--This was a recent discussion on rec.martial-arts.  Humans definitely don't
--have all the advantages. Dogs are deceptively strong and often bred for
--fighting of one sort or another.

--Ed
--DoD #1110

Being related to former trainers, I have come to know that humans do have all the
advantages (well, at least one anyway). It is a little known fact that a dog will
involuntarily regurgitate and release an object that is too large to swallow. I
was told that if I were ever attacked by a dog I should ball my hand in a fist and
force it down the dog's throat. The dog would naturally gag and release, and become
momentarily disoriented. This commonly happens to humans when we go to a doctor and
have our throats examined ( Proof Positive ). In the time during the dog's
disorientation, the next move would be to wrap an arm about the dog throat in a 
choke hold manner and constrict with all your might until the dog lapses into
unconsciousness ( from lack of oxygen and halting blood flow ). Finally, run like
the wind to get away from the local area should the dog get up again and be really
pissed.

OOOOOOOpsssss. For a second there I thought I was in rec.beatthelivingcrapoutofadog
and not rec.motorcycles.

Till next time.

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*  9235 Pinetree Rd.         |----------------------------------------------*
*  Sidney, B.C., CAN.        | Hopalonga Twinfart     Yuka-Yuka EXCESS 400  *
*  V8L-1J1                   | wish list: Tridump, Mucho Guzler, Burley     *
*  home (604) 656-6131       |            Thumpison, or Bimotamoeba         *
*  work (604) 721-7297       |***********************************************
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104834
From: ellert@v32.uh.cwru.edu ()
Subject: Re: where to put your helmet


In response to Jerry Lotto's post about not putting your helmet on your
mirror or else risk damaging the padding from the inside.

One of the major causes of mirror breakage is impact with the pavement.
Laws mandating that all mirrors be protected by helmets might be in order.
But seriously...

One place to put a helmet is on a, preferably clean, footpeg, hanging from
the chin-guard, away from any hot pipes.

Ed
DoD #1110

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104835
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Paint jobs in the UK 

In article <mjs.735397301@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk writes:

>lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:
>
>>Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs,
> preferably but not essentially in the London area.
>
>>Thanks
>
>>Lisa Rowlands
>
>Try Dream Machine, 0602 736615. I've seen a few examples of their
>work and it looks pretty good. They're in the midlands though...
>

Can you say "*expensive*" ?


+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
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|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104836
From: bss2p@kelvin.seas.Virginia.EDU (Brent S. Stone)
Subject: Re: How to buy a first bike, etc.

In article <C5x6vH.1In@inform.co.nz> dev2@inform.co.nz (Michael Seales) writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.083340.2309@galaxy.gov.bc.ca>, bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:
>> There have been a *lot* of posts lately about "I wanna buy my first bike - is a
>> GSXR/ZX/CBR/FZR a good bike to learn on?" etc.
>
>Sure they are. Here we can buy:
>
>GSXR250
>CBR250
>FZR250

The prob is that you're wrong.
Newbie here.
I just got off the phone with a salesman
that showed by newbieness.

If I remember what he said correctly:
GSXR250 - no such thing
CBR250 - NO.   Its CB250.
FZR250 - no such thing.

Most sport bikes don't have 250 versions.


BS





Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104837
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Volvo Attack!

I was privelged enough to experience my first Volvo attack this weekend.

I was last in a line of traffic that was about 6 vehicles long, riding
down Rt. 40 in Groton Ma.  At the side of the road, sitting off on the
shoulder was the killer Volvo in question.  No brake lights, no turn signal,
nothing.  We were doing about 40 mph and I was following the cage in front
of me about 2.5-3 sec. back.  Well, as said cage passes the Volvo, the
Brain Dead Idiot (tm) behind the wheel decides that she doesn't need to wait
for me to pass also and turns out perpendicular across both lanes of traffic
so that she can turn around...  So I get on the brakes in a effort to not
T-bone it, and the horn in an effort to wake the BDI up.  As she finishes
the turn, she looks up at me with a completely blank, uncomprehending
stare.

Where can I get rocket launchers for the VFR?

Dean
-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104838
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

In article <Clarke.6.735328328@bdrc.bd.com> Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) writes:
>So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in left 
>hand, Camel cigarette in the right, no feet allowed.) If I lean, and the 
>bike turns, am I countersteering? Is countersteering like benchracing only 
>with a taller seat, so your feet aren't on the floor?
>
>-Rick

Now, while I wouldn't recommend doing this while moving,

(Maybe Mike Beaverton can complain to you awhile! :/ )

you might not want to countersteer if you're just sitting
in the driveway...

<sounds of Rick falling off bike, muttering, "Damn, coulda
sworn that's how they told me in the MSF course!!?" >


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104839
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: bike for sale in MA, USA

In article <1993Apr20.173330.3866@news.columbia.edu> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.194630.102@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us> jd@zorro.tyngsboro.ma.us (Jeff deRienzo) writes:
>>I've recently become father of twins!  I don't think I can afford
>> to keep 2 bikes and 2 babies.  Both babies are staying, so 1 of
>> the Harleys is going.
>>
>>	1988 883 XLHD
>>	~4000 mi.  (hey, it was my wife's bike :-)
>	            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>	Well that was pretty uncalled for. (No smile)
>	Is our Harley manhood feeling challenged?
>
>> Jeff deRienzo
>


So, you'd sell your bike, and let her
ride around while you have to stay home with
the kids?

Geez, that's a tough choice.

-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104840
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Two Beemer Questions (R80GS)

Hello Folks,

I'm very happy with my "new" R80GS.  My range is 238 miles on 4.8 gallons...
that's 50 mpg!!  Surprisingly, the bike is a real cruiser.  I was expecting
something rough.   She's a sweet backroad honey.  And I can go pretty much
anyplace I'd take my mountain bike.  As far as shaft effect, it's more a 
torque effect from the crankshaft in my opinion.  Rev it sitting still
(when the driveshaft is not moving) and the bike twists a bit.  Maybe
I don't ride her fast enough to get a shaft effect, but in my opinion
a little buffeting by wind is of far greater consequence.  Okay, here are 
my questions:

1) Any recommendations for a home-made fairing?  I'd like to keep the
wind off my chest, and perhaps my helmet, for comfort at highway speeds
(70 mph), yet don't want to (a) screw up the stability or (b) block my
vision too much for trail riding.  Anybody have luck with two-piece 
detachible fairings?  I'd like to make it myself out of plexiglas.

2) I run two lights, the standard headlamp plus a sidelamp mounted on the
crash bar.  The illumination's excellent that way, with a full beam coming
out from the level of the motor (left side); the lamp beam is linear so
that you get a bright streak of illumination from left to right, and it 
really picks up the periphery (deer lurking, etc.)  Combined with the 
headlamp on high you can see like day.  But I've heard that BMW alternators
don't crank out too much.  Do I need to shut down the sidelamp when I'm
puttering around in the dirt at low RPM?  

3) This is embarassing: I'm having trouble starting the bike first thing
in the morning.  I invariably flood the carbs, then go in and read a section
of the paper, and then she starts right up.  Is this a Zen thing? 

4) The Hayne's manual says do not under any circumstances use gasoline
with alcohol additives... Yeah, right.  What do you folks due to keep
the engine and carbs from being eaten by ethanol and methanol?  Any 
particular brands of gas that are best?  Additives?

Thanks,

/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\
|                                                                |
|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |
| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |
|  '86 BMW R80GS                                                 |
\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104841
From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In Article <1r16ja$dpa@news.ysu.edu> "ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)" says:
> 
> In a previous article, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu () says:
> 
> Mike Terry asks:
> 
> >Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
> >
> No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
> of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
> off the ground.
> -- 
> DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
Well my last two motorcycles have been shaft driven and they will wheelie.
The rear gear does climb the ring gear and lift the rear which gives an
odd feel, but it still wheelies.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104842
From: txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:

>In article <bethdC5sv80.698@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>=================================================================
>>Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
>>1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
>>1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
>>1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
>>"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
>>                                                        -- ZZ Top
>>=================================================================

>Now just wait one cotton picking minute here.... DoD rule 417.1.2 section 6
>paragraph 3 clearly indicates that multiple people can't lay claim to a bike
>in an "obvious" ploy to "artificially" increase the size of their stable...

Silly boy! You read the rest of that jibberish! go back and read rule
#1.

>So the question of the day is... Is Spike owned by a lady of true class and
>breeding (my definition: any woman who rides :-) ) or by Tom the harely head???

OK, for the record, Spike is jointly owned. The registration says -or-
(Uhhh, what _does_ the title say, Beth?) Beth brought the ad to my
attention, I'd been half heartedly lusting after an SR500 for years. I
had successfully avioded buying it by rationalizing that I didn't need
to spend the $$ on it. Then Beth piped up with "I'll pay for half of
it!" I was beaten. 

>I also note that you lay no claim to Connie or Ol Sport. (Like I said, 
>obviously a lady of discriminating taste...)

Watch it buddy! Both of those are fine rides! Beth loves riding
pillion on the Connie, true, the 'Ol Sport isn't her cup of tea (she
can't get it off of the side stand) but she agrees that it's a very
fine ride.

>Bored minds wanta know.

>bj...bradw@Newbridge.com... no .sig no .plan no.clue  >> DoD# 255 <<
                                              ^^^^^^^
I'll buy that. I'll even loan you a quarter to buy a clue.


*********************************************************************
'86 Concours.....Sophisticated Lady            Tom Dietrich             
'72 1000cc Sportster.....'Ol Sport-For sale      DoD # 055
'79 SR500.....Spike, the Garage Rat             AMA #524245
Queued for an M900!!                           FSSNOC #1843
Two Jousts and a Gather, *BIG fun!*            1KSPT=17.28%                     
Ma Bell (408) 764-5874               Cool as a rule, but sometimes...
e-mail txd@Able.MKT.3Com.COM                     (H. Lewis)          
Disclaimer: 3Com takes no responsibility for opinions preceding this.
*********************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104843
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: johnny@bigh.eng.utsa.edu (Johnny Roberts)

In article <1993Apr19.164842.18206@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>  
xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
> Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
> 
> Mike Terry
> '82 Virago

	Yep! I did one yesterday on my shaftie Vision... I should mention  
that I had a pillon that helped rotate the bike over :-) . The wheelie was  
the result of a necessarily agressive acceleration manouver through an  
intersection (damn San Antonio cagers tend to be REALLY bad drivers).  

	However, I have done one by myself, it just takes a lot of  
pre-clutch dump rev action.

	just a passing comment
	johnny@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104844
From: bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <BONG-230493121730@kfp-slac-mac.slac.stanford.edu> BONG@slac.stanford.edu (Eric Bong) writes:
>In article <C5y8Gp.1An@cbnews.cb.att.com>, nak@cbnews.cb.att.com
>(neil.a.kirby) wrote:
>> 
>> What worked for me on my RD350 was to lean towards the dog as I modulated
>> throttle to keep my ankle just ahead of his teeth.  After a few seconds of
>> warm pipe firmly wedged on his shoulder he turned his face sideways to see
>> what was so warm and got his mouth/nose/muzzle burned on the pipes.
>
> A bicycling technique I've
>employed was to use my frame mounted tire pump to fend off dog
>attacks.

One of my brothers had spent a lot of time practicing bizzare tricks on
his megabuck/micromass bike. He said he once repelled a dog attack by
picking up the rear of the bike and smacking the dog in the side of the
head with the rear wheel. The dog had _no_ idea what hit him, and he
fled quite rapidly. Then again, he could jump garbage cans without a
ramp, so I don't think I'd care to try this one on a motorcycle.

>The telephone worked much better than the tire pump.

That's almost unfair, I've never seen a dog that could use a phone. :-)
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104845
From: mmaser@engr.UVic.CA (Michael  Maser)
Subject: Re: dogs

21 Apr 1993 egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) Writes:
--In article 21311@adobe.com, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
--writes:
-->}Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
-->}we have *all* the advantages.
-->
-->I agree with this 100%. 
--
--Me, too... for chihuahua's.  The police and the military don't train
--dobermans and shephards and use them as weapons because they are so
--easy for the average Joe to defeat barehanded.  You may have opposing
--thumbs, but the dog has teeth so effective some of yours are named for
--him.  He has IR vision, better hearing and better smell than you do,
--and most likely faster reflexes.
--
--You're on a motorcycle, he's on paws.  Roll on and blow him off.  He
--doesn't even have net access.
--
--
--Ed Green

C'mon Ed.........

a)  All things have their weak areas
b)  What's IR....Idiot Response......Dogs have more Rods or Cones (I'm not sure
    which?) than humans and this allows their eyes to collect more light in lower
    light conditions. Consequently their colour vision is almost non-existant. I
    mean, if dogs had built in infra-red vision, the armed forces would be
    strapping them to missiles instead of paying a quarter million for IR guidance
    capabilities.
c)  My dog has net access ! !
                          \_/

*****************************************************************************
*  Mike Maser                | DoD#= 0536 | SQUID RATING: 5.333333333333333 *
*  9235 Pinetree Rd.         |----------------------------------------------*
*  Sidney, B.C., CAN.        | Hopalonga Twinfart     Yuka-Yuka EXCESS 400  *
*  V8L-1J1                   | wish list: Tridump, Mucho Guzler, Burley     *
*  home (604) 656-6131       |            Thumpison, or Bimotamoeba         *
*  work (604) 721-7297       |***********************************************
*  mmaser@sirius.UVic.CA     |JOKE OF THE MONTH: What did the gay say to the*
*  University of Victoria    |                    Indian Chief ?            *
*  news: rec.motorcycles     |    ANSWER: Can I bum a couple bucks ?        *
*****************************************************************************



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104846
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <mdennie.735508147@beryllium> mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
>In <1993Apr22.125054.17308@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>
>>Ever notice little kid wave more than other bikers?
>             ^^^^^^^^^^
>
>The reactions of little boys seems to be the most enthusiastic to
>a wave (and also good to see).  I always wave when I see a kid that
>has at least noticed my bike.  I figure it helps the future of the
>sport.

Don't forget little girls!  My not-quite-2 year old daughter now
excitedly points and says "motorcycle" every time she sees one go
past.  I've done my work.  (Of course, it helps that one of her
books shows Sir Topham Hatt in a chaffeured side car rig...)

>I have to admit that I usually try to do so without the "parental
>figure" noticing - I`m afraid that the kid will get yelled at for
>associatign with anti-societal types like us.

Can you think of a better way to convince the kid that "someday, I'll
ride one of those things"?

>Is it a genetic thing with little boys or what?  Even three and four
>year old boys seem magnetically attracted to motorcycles of virtaully
>any sort (often to the dismay of thier mothers :-)

No, it's a genetic thing with little humans...

Just don't let them touch hot pipes.
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104847
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <ltgnt9INNfpq@earth.cs.utexas.edu>, mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
> In article <1993Apr23.143128.21344@dsd.es.com> bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
> >In article <ltdv8aINN3hb@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
> [...]
> >>"Hey, what the hell do you mean by that?  You suck.  I have a god-given
> >>right to express opinions, carry a gun and to not wear a helmet, goddamn 
> >>it. Everything you stand for is STUPID."
> >
> >I'd give it an 0.5 on a scale of 10. [analysis and hints deleted]
> 
> Aw, c'mon.  The serious overreaction ought to be worth a couple of points,
> not to mention the bit condemning everthing the flamee might ever say.
> The non sequitur about guns and helmets is just the proper flourish.

Nope.  Flames should be *interesting*.  Around here, guns & helmets
are the wallpaper.

> I personally am of the opinion that there are two types of good flames.
> The first does trade ``quality,'' in the sense you mention, for heat.
> This has a certain surprise value and if done correctly, which I
> contend was done above, is reasonably entertaining.  

Not everyone in rec.motoland is so easily amused.  Blaine, as an Elder,
has seen the Superflamers at their peaks (or depths, if you prefer).  
With that sort of incendiary backdrop, awarding your faltering Bic a
0.5 was the purest act of charity.

> While 
> it is true that
> the flame I posted does not mention anyone's habitual velocity, friends,
> dinner, or entertainment, it says what it needs to with the appropriate
> flair and it is short.  The weakness of this type of flame is actually
> that it can easily be taken too far, at which point it becomes trite and
> boring.

Unless, of course, your audience has only seen several thousand similarly
uninspiring attempts in this arena.  In that case, the trite & boring
threshold tends to drift away from where you first set it, as yours will,
eventually (or not).

> The other type of flame, which you seem to be glorifying above, 
> ... [blah, blah, blah] ...
> In summary, Blaine, your score for that flame is incorrect.  While it may
> be the wunder-flame, the weaknesses you point out are not necessarily
> weaknesses, and your suggested corrections are not always useful nor
> applicable.  

Until you can yank the flame out of Blaine's Internet Port before he
can io_close() it, you are in no position to lecture him, grasshopper.

> You also probably couldn't outrun a tennis ball with a
> flatulent dog stapled to your posterior, and I'll bet you and your 
> motorcycle lean to the outside while turning.  The same goes for anyone
> who looks like you, too.

Oh please (yawn), you're slipping further down the scale with each
successive attempt.  It's so embarrassing to watch.   Say, you're not
from Waco, are you?

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104848
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) writes:
>I know there's already a bmw mailing list, but since it's an R bike 
>only list (and limited to the R80* R100* bikes as well I believe)

the list as chartered is geared toward R100/R80 GS/PD/ST riders,
emphasizing the off road bikes, but there are numerous people on the
list with other BMW twins as well, as well as the usual contingent of
aspirants.  most all boxer talk is welcome.  the main list has about
50 subscribers; there is also a digest version which has about 10.  we
run about 10 to 12 messges to day, mostly technical with little
chatter and no flames.

subscriptions can be had via e-mail. in the text of a message, send
the command:

SUBSCRIBE 

to bmw-gs-request@halfdome.sf.ca.us for the main list and
bmw-gs-digest-request@haldfome.sf.ca.us for the digest version.  your
"from" address will be used to determine where you will receive the
mail.  

it would be a shame to split boxer riders between different lists
unless, of course, the existing list failed to meet the readers'
needs.
-- 
-- bob pasker
-- rbp@netcom.com
--

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104849
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: uh, der, whassa deltabox?

In <C5t6DA.7L8@news.dtc.hp.com> jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:

>In article <C5KxAL.IzC@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>>  I beleive it's called the "Dentabox" frame. 
>>
>>Nothing some putty and paint won't fix.

>  This from someone riding a GSXR?  Gutsy.

  I was referring to their propensity to dent during a spill. Prespill
they are of course a work of art.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       







Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104850
From: daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman)
Subject: Re: ST1100 ride

frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro) writes:


>Well I was wrong.  As I sat on the ST, both feet down, all I could 
>think was "big".  Then I put one foot up.  "Heavy" came to mind very
>quickly.  With Cindy on the back -- was she on the back?  Hard to 
>tell with seat three times as large as a Hawk seat -- the bike seemed
>nearly out of control just idling on the side of the road.

It is heavy, the 91 is mid 600's dry, that is the one major drawback
of the ST.

>By 3000 rpm in second gear, all the weight seemed to dissappear.  Even

Can you say " tourque monster" The test drive sold me on the bike, 
lot's of bite anywhere above 2500 in any gear.

>on bike with 4.1 miles on the odometer, slippery new tires, and pads that 

Did you trythe ABS/TCS version? 

>Cindy has no difficulty with speed.  3rd gear, 4th gear, purring along
>in top gear.  This thing has less low rpm grunt that my Hawk.  Lane 
>changes were a new experience.  A big heft is required to move this 
>thing.  Responds well though.   No wallowing or complaint.  Behind the
>fairing it was fairly quiet, but the helmet buffeting was

After market fairing windshield for 100.00 raises the bubble 6 inches
above most heads, but hurts the looks of the bike.

>non-trivial.  Top gear car passing at 85mph was nearly effortless.
>Smooth, smooth, smooth.   Not sure what the v4 sound reminds me of,
>but it is pleasant.  

This is the essence of the bike, move the throttle and itr accelerates 
any gear anywhere anytime, I frequently find myself at the DOD min 
during a casual passing maneuver.

>The jump on to 133 caused me to be less than impressed with the
>brakes.  Its a down hill, reversing camber, twice-reversing radius,
>decreasing radius turn.  A real squeeze is needed on the front binder.  
This is a function of the weight, you have to be aggresive with the brake
squeze, actually as tested by Cycle world and an expert rider the ST
stopped faster then the comparable models from BMW, and YAMAHA even with 
the extra weight and Gas .
>The section of 133 we were on was tight, but too urban.  The ST works ok
>in this section, but it shows its weight.  We went by the clam shack

You must countersteer the ST for every turn and movement short
of the classic pothole wiggle. Just forget ever leaning into a 
turn again. It must be countersteered into every turn and then 
responds nicely.

>About half way through the onramp, I yanked Cindy's wrist, our singal
>for "hold on tight".  Head check left,  time to find redline.  Second
>gear gives a good shove.  Third too.  Fourth sees DoD speed with a 
>short shift into top.  On the way to 133 we saw no cops and very light
>traffic.  Did not cross into DoD zone because the bike was too new.
>Well, now it had 25 miles on it, so it was ok.  Tried some high effort
>lane changes, some wide sweeping turns.  Time to wick it up?  I went 
>until the buffeting was threating to pull us off the seat.  And stayed
>there.  When I was comfortable with the wind and the steering, 
>I looked down to find an indicated 135mph.  Not bad for 2-up touring.

Faster then I've ever gone, I 'd hate to buy this bike after your 
short "break in period"


>to thread the ST through the cars to the edge of the concrete pad
>out front.  Heavy.  It took way too much effort for Cindy and I to put
>the thing on the center stand.  I am sure that if I used the side
>stand the ST would have been on its side within a minute.

Not true, the side stand is well designed for the weight and will hold 
the bike nicely on dirt. I am able to easily get the bike up on
the center stand, just step down on the stand instead of pulling
up on the bike.

>My demo opinion?  Heavy.  Put it on a diet.  Smooth, comfortable,
>hardly notices the DoD speed.   I'd buy on for about $3000 less than 
>list, just like it is.  Too much $ for the bike as it is.

Keep looking the 91 left overs if available are going for 72-7700.
I love mine and I haven't found a better value then the ST for 7500.
remember you get 3 years unlimited mileage warranty.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104851
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: FOR SALE: 550 ZEPHYR

Hi boys and girls.  I just bought a Beemer R80GS and realized abruptly that 
I am a grad student.  I first sold my truck yesterday but I need to sell my 
Zephyr too.

If I can sell it this month, great ... insurance and tags both run out in
a couple of weeks.  Otherwise I'll tag and insure it and see what happens.

It's a very sweet bike.  6100 miles, almost all highway (AZ-WY-CO last summer,
plus some great rides between here and the Border.  Purchased new exactly
one year ago (Apr '92), it's a '90 model.  It has a good fairing and a
luggage rack.  Red; very clean.  Perfect maintenance, no bullshit.   I'll spare
any further details other than to say (1) I want to keep it, and (2) somebody
5'7" +/- 5" will fit it like a charm.  Not a bike for big people, but not a
small bike.  Standard, upright positioning and good-looking.  Smooth power,
great brakes, good Karma.

				- Erik

/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\
|                                                                |
|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |
| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |
| '86 BMW R80GS                                                  |
\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104852
From: Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

>I eagerly await comment.

The ice princess next door makes a habit of flooring her cage out of the 
driveway when she sees me coming. Probably only hits 25mph, or so. (I made 
the mistake of waving to a neighbor. She has some sort of grudge, now.)

I was riding downhill at ~60mph on a local backroad when a brown dobie came 
flashing through the brush at well over 30mph, on an intercept course with 
my front wheel. The dog had started out at the top of the hill when it heard 
me and still had a lead when it hit the road. The dog was approaching from 
my left, and was running full tilt to get to my bike on the other side of 
the road before I went by. Rover was looking back at me to calculate the 
final trajectory. Too bad it didn't notice the car approaching at 50+mph 
from the other direction.

I got a closeup view of the our poor canine friend's noggin careening off 
the front bumper, smacking the asphalt, and getting runover by the front 
tire. It managed a pretty good yelp, just before impact. (peripheral 
imminent doom?) I guess the driver didn't see me or they probably would have 
swerved into my lane. The squeegeed pup actually got up and headed back 
home, but I haven't seen it since. 

Sniff. 

Sometimes Fate sees you and smiles.

-Rick

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104853
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <C5u4DL.A6v@athena.cs.uga.edu> ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu (Allan Hatcher) writes:
|>
|Well, here goes.  After lurking for a LONG time, I'll announce myself. Yes, I'm
|the enemy. The enemy that also happens to ride an "arrest me red" 90 VFR. 

I have a feeling that you are not "the enemy".  There are without a doubt 
dickhead cops.  But there are at least as many dickhead bikers, even here 
(you know who you are :-).  I will certainly give you the same benefit of 
the doubt as any other biker here.  Welcome.

I think I can speak for the entire DoD in this.


(Hey guys, free ride in Georgia!!!)

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104854
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

In article <1993Apr22.005308.11779@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
|In article <gbnvgw@quantum.qnx.com> dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs) writes:
|>
|>Yes, even when steering no hands you do something quite similar
|>to countersteering.  Basically to turn left, you to a quick wiggle
|>of the bike to the right first, causing a counteracting lean to
|>occur to the left.
|
|This sounds suspiciously like black magic to me.  If by "quick wiggle
|to the right" you mean that the handlebars turn toward the right
|before turning to the left, what is the input to the steering
|mechanism that makes this happen in the absence of the old
|"shove-shove"?

Well, as many a bored bike tourer can tell you, the way to steer
sans hans is to push your body off to the side you want to lean.
Say you want to turn left.  You push your body off to the left.
To do this, you have to push against something, and the only
thing to push against is the ground (through the bike).  Well,
the apple guy (Wozniak? or was that Churchill?) says that the 
ground will push you right back.  So, you pushed yourself off to 
the left by pushing on the ground to the right, and the ground 
pushed back toward the left.  Well, that push is on both wheels.  
The rear wheel doesn't care (unless you have serious bearing 
problems) (except of course on the Spagthorpe Dragonfly, which
had the revolutionary countersteering-contra-shaft-drive rear end), 
but the front wheel has trail.  If the ground pushes the front wheel 
toward the left at the contact patch, the trail will cause the 
wheel to turn to the right.  Hey, there we are.  No-hands counter-
steering.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104855
From: hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner)
Subject: Re: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

[sorry, had to take out tx.motorcycles because
my news server rejected it. -- hesh]

Bob Pasker (rbp@netcom.com) wrote:
: it would be a shame to split boxer riders between different lists
: unless, of course, the existing list failed to meet the readers'
: needs.

you presumed you needed to "split" out a GS list.
by implication of your "split", a plain ol' bmw
list wouldn't meet the GS riders' needs.

for the sake of not forcing the split issue,
how about changing the charter and renaming
your list from bmw-gs to just bmw?  would that
make everybody happy?

i think you'd get better participation this way.
and joe wouldn't have to burden his 286.  :-)

-- hesh

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104856
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Subject: Re: SQUIDS and Dealers

kevin.l.stell (kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com) wrote:

: [... SQUIDS ...]

: I felt embarassed at this point to be a motorcyclist. I felt the eyes of those
: in cages, witnessing this display, then glancing over to the dealers lot and
: damning all those on two wheels. Needless to say, my friend felt a little
: uncomfortable and we left. 

Did you express your embarrassment to the owner?  I don't blame you for being
embarrassed, but I would have let my feeling be known that the behaviour of 
their sales staff and apparent enjoyment of such behaviour just cost them 
a sale and all further sales.

: I will now turn off my frustration and go ride... peacefully, to clear my
: anger. I only hope that the cop who is following me home, has an open
: mind and doesn't associate me with them. 

Sound good.  Enjoy.

: BTW, I can't afford a new bike.....

Who can?

Merf

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104857
From: kenm@array.com (Ken Murphy)
Subject: Re: Death of a 2 stroke - why did it die?

Zebee Johnstone (zebee@wattle.itd.adelaide.edu.au) wrote:

: Now for those who have read this far - 

: 	Why did it rev at idle like that?  Is water in the fuel an
: acceptable reaason or were they having me on?

Sound like the pilot circuit was say lean/clogged.  I don't think
water would cause a problem like this, but?

: 	Apparently the oil pump is doing its job, and there was plenty
: of oil.  Why did it seize?

See above.  Were you by chance coasting when it stuck?  On a two stroke
you only have (substantial) lubrication when you are giving the bike gas.
If it was lean on the pilot, that's why it stuck.

: Oh, BTW - THe motor had been rebuilt just before I left Adelaide, so had
: done about 1600 miles when it blew.  It was rebuilt because it had been
: seized at some time before we got it, and it looked like that seizure
: had happened at low mileage, because there were still hone marks in the
: bore.

: The rebuild we did consisted of a total tear down, new piston, rings,
: small end bearing, and new gearbox bearings.  Big end and rod judged
: OK.


: Any ideas folks?

You mentioned an aftermarket carb?  (I deleted the text)  Looks like 
(to me) that's where your problem is.

:      Zebee Johnstone  DoD #605   | You don't own an Italian motorcycle 


  O                
 <M> MerfMan 
_/ \_       

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104858
From:         Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD>
Subject:      Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

>I have never experienced wind so severe it physically precluded operation
>of a motorcycle.  It's more a matter of deciding whether the aggravation
>is more trouble than it's worth.  This of course, depends entirely on your
>own particular circumstances and personal disposition.


and skill.  If you haven't done it before, it can be dangerous.  It takes
some getting used to.  Read Ed's list.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brad Thone
Systems Consultant
Systems Service Enterprises
St. Louis, MO
c09615bt @ wuvmd.wustl.edu
c09615bt @ wuvmd.bitnet

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104859
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) wrote:
> 
> randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
> 
> > speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:
> >| jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
> >|>       What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
> >|>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?
> >|
> >|Driving While Intoxicated.
> 
> >  Actually, I beleive "DWI" normally means "Driving While Impaired" rather
> >than "Intoxicated", at least it does in the states I've lived in...
> 
> >|This was changed here in Louisiana when a girl went to court and won her 
> >|case by claiming to be stoned on pot, NOT intoxicated on liquor!
> 
> >  One can be imparied without necessarily being impaired by liquor - drugs,
> >not enough sleep, being a total moron :-), all can impair someone etc...  I'm
> >surprised this got her off the hook...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
> >to liquor?
> 
> Lets just say it is DUI here now!

OK. It varies from state to state. It has to do with operating a vehicle
while there is greater than a given percentage of alcohol in your
bloodstream. Can we drop this now, and get back to asking Ed Green to
getabike?

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104860
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Traffic morons

ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) wrote:
> 
> NMM>From: nielsmm@imv.aau.dk (Niels Mikkel Michelsen)
> NMM>Subject: How to act in front of traffic jerks
> 
> NMM>The other day, it was raining cats and dogs, therefor I was going only to
> NMM>the speed limit, on nothing more, on my bike. This guy in his BMW was
> NMM>driving 1-2 meters behind me for 7-800 meters and at the next red light I
> NMM>calmly put the bike on its leg, walked back to this car, he rolled down the
> NMM>window, and I told him he was a total idiot (and the reason why).
> 
> NMM>Did I do the right thing?
> 
> NMM>Yours Truly :
> 
> NMM>                                  Niels Mikkel
> 
> Well, sounds great to me! When I have a real BDI cager tailgating me,
> I've found that an effective strategy is to flash my brake light by
> pumping the pedal. You will, obviously need a bit of free play in your
> brake pedal to do this. It seems that even the most brain dead idiot can
> usually discern that a flashing red light directly in front of
> him/her/it may mean that something is wrong.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. BDI cagers usually move back then.
Hyperagressive assholes just move closer. (Something about
testosterone-stimulated behavior, I think.) It's kinda like waving a red
flag at a bull. All in all, if you can't move over and let the jerk by,
it's better than nothing...

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104861
From: daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

Lets not forget 

ST == sports touring honda


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104862
From: amd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Alan Duncan)
Subject: RE:windy days



>(Robert D Castro) rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu writes:-
>
>When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

	If you get blown over riding your bike down your drive at home then
it's too windy to ride...=8^D.

P.S. Check nearby trees for wind strength and see how badly they are being 
affected by the wind.
							Alan.
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 Alan Duncan					Dept Of Computer Science,
 Ducati 900SS					Edinburgh University,Scotland.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104863
From: vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik)
Subject: MOA members, another letter to read!


In light of the last letter I posted from Jeff Brody concering the crap
that is going on in the MOA, (which some folks took not as dissemination 
of information that I received, but as my own bad mouthing) I thought that
I would post this one, which came to me yesterday.  This is from board member
Robert Higdon to MOA Pres Chich Morse.  This is NOT my words, O.K. guys?

                                   April 4, 1993

re:  Cecil King's Nominating Statement 

Dear Chick:
      We have a very serious problem with the election for president of the 
MOA this year.  Cecil King's nominating statement (as it appeared in the
Owners News) is 968 words, nearly twice as many as that is permitted by
the by-laws.  In pertinent part, the rules state:

"Each candidate's biography and position statement shall be limited to
a combined total of no more than 500 words. The nominating committe shall cut afafter the 500th word any biography and position statement exceeding this length.

    Obviously the nominationg committe was not up to the task.  Had Cecil's
statement been cut as required, it would have concluded approximately with
the word "undertiding" [sic] in the second paragraph after the commencement
of his Position Statement.  As a result, Cecil has obtained what I view as a
grossly unfair advantage over the other candidates for president.  This does
not just taint the election for that office; it makes a mockery of the 
process.  I would appreciate your advising the board immediately what steps
you intend to take to rectify this caricature of a fair election.
     Parenthetically, in your private correspondence with others, I would
be most appreciative that when tou call me an "asshole" you remind the
letter's recipient that the re-publication of such a comment is almost
guaranteed to have woeful consequences.
   With kind regards, I remain,
                                 Robert Higdon

O.K. MOA'ers, You read it, think for yourself, I trust you do know who
Cecil King is, and that he was Editor befor Don Douglass, and he is
a pres. candidate.  I let you draw your own conclusions.
Regards,
Craig Vechorik
BMW MOA Ambassador #9462
BMW Vintage Bulletin Tech Editor
DOD #843
"REAL BMW's have TWO Wheels" <-- politically correct statement


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104864
From: mrr3@po.CWRU.Edu (Mark R. Rabne)
Subject: Insuring a 1992 CBR600F2



Hey now,

   I'm having the roughest time getting a company to cover
my new bike.  Here are some details about her and me:

I'm:

  single
  23
  riding with a clean record
  a homeowner
  a 'new' rider accoring to most companies
  not a member of MSF or AMA yet  



   She's:
 
   a '92 CBR600F2
   got 150 miles
   got temp plates still
   one screamin' bitch of a ride...


   Can you get me some ideas?  We can take them to private
email to lower the noise on the net.

   mrr3@po.cwru.edu is a good mail address.  I need to
hear something soon so I can keep her on the road...

   Thanks in advance,
   Mark
-- 
Well-weathered leather, Hot metal and oil, The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome, The blur of the landscape, Every nerve aware
                                                     Red Barchetta
          Straining the limits of machine and man...  

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104865
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax (and mail-order)

In article <1993Apr21.130512.147@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:

>>I bought it, I tried it:
>>It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.

>I'd try it on the VFR, but goddamn Competition Accessories hasn't mailed my
>order yet.  Hell, it's only been two weeks and I was ordering some pretty
>bizzare stuff.  Like a clear RF-200 face sheild, and a can of Chain Wax...
>Bastards.

For what it's worth, I got my can in three days from Chaparral. That's
UPS ground from CA to UT, YMMV. The stuff seems to work, and it doesn't
attract grundge like PJ-1 Blue does. I gave it the acid test, a full
day's worth of breaking in the Quadracer's new paddle tires down at the
sand dunes. If there's anything wet & stickey it will be coated with
sand at the end of the day, but the chain looked pretty clean.

As far as mail-order goes, if Chaparral has it in stock (and they can
tell you if it's in stock, or about how long it will take to back-order
it if it's not), I usually get it in three days. Competition Accessories
always seems to take a week or two to deliver. Motorcycle Accessory
Warehouse also takes a week or two, and after trying to buy some boots
from them last week, I don't think they actually stock anything. MAW was
about $30 cheaper than Chaparral on Alpinestars Tech 7 boots, but on
Monday I was hoping to get them by the end of the week, so I asked MAW a
completely unreasonable question: "Do you have them in stock?" The
conversation went something like this:

I need to know if you have some boots in stock.

	Do you want to pay with Visa or Mastercard?

I want to know if you have them in stock.

	Well, the computer doesn't show anything, I'd have to call the
	distributer to find out if we have them.

So do you have them or not?

	Don't you understand what I'm saying? I have to call our
	distributer to find out if we have them in stock or not.

Uh, right. So can you do it?

	Yea, call me back in an hour, and ask for Phil.

So an hour later Phil isn't there, but Mike says he'll check, and call
him back in half an hour. Half an hour later Mike isn't there either,
but he left a note that says they'll have them by the end of the month
(3 weeks away). Screw it, the 30 bucks isn't worth the hassle. I called
Chaparral and asked if they had them in stock:

	Ooh, Alpinestars? Probably not, they are hard to keep in stock,
	but I'll check. What size?

Size 10.

	Let's see, yes! Size 10, in blue & white, gray & white, black...

I'll take the blacks!

This was about noon on Monday, they arrived Thursday morning. Once
again, three days via UPS ground. I _like_ Chaparral.

I'm not completely down on MAW, they often have lower prices, but be
prepared to wait.

Oh, and if anyone's in the market for sand tires and other ATV stuff,
Scorcher seems like a good outfit, friendly, fast, had the tires I
wanted in stock, and were cheaper than Chaparral too.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104866
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <1993Apr20.235735.23007@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>|> 
>|> So, Take you own advice and wuit you whining about
>|> flames.
>|> 
>
>No brains and he can't spell either.
>
>.edu?? I hope you're not a student at Duke...
>you would be wasting your tuition.
>
>
>===================================================
>= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
>= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
>= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
>===================================================

OOOoooh, complaining about my spelling.

I'm _so_ hurt.

No I'm not a student.  I'm an alumnus.  And an employee.

So I can get my money _back_ from these grubs.

BNR, huh?  I hope you're not a permanent,
they'd be wasting benefits on you.

pthptptphhph!


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104867
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: Daytona

In article <RTARAZ.93Apr22104337@bigwpi.WPI.EDU> rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz) writes:
>Well, I watched the Daytona race on TNN.  Boy for the people who saw
>it:
>Was the Yamaha a lot faster than the Kawi or what?  on the last
>stretch the Yami took of and left the Kawi in the dust.  I am a Kawi
>rider and am totaly disappointed in the Kawi!

  It wasn't that the Lawson's V&H OWO1 was faster.  If you watch the tape
again, Russell had major backmarker problems before getting onto the banking.
It doesn't matter what bike you have, if you lose your drive, your hosed.

  The two bikes are almost identically fast.  Check out the qualifying times.

  

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104868
From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <mjs.735489679@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>if I'm riding I would far sooner have the pillion hanging on to the bike,
>rather than me, because I find that their weight can cause *me* to move,
>and that can upset the balance of the bike. Most of the pillions I see 
>over here hold the grabrail. The really good ones don't hang on to anything
>unless violent acceleration is taking place.

Hmmmmn...don't you ride with your sweetheart?
 
-- 
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"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"     CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75/6)
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104869
From: scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Sebastian C Sears)
Subject: Re: Two Beemer Questions (R80GS)

In article <1993Apr23.224045.22287@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
>Hello Folks,
>I'm very happy with my "new" R80GS.  My range is 238 miles on 4.8 gallons...
>that's 50 mpg!!  Surprisingly, the bike is a real cruiser.  I was expecting
>something rough.   She's a sweet backroad honey.  And I can go pretty much
>anyplace I'd take my mountain bike.  As far as shaft effect, it's more a 
>torque effect from the crankshaft in my opinion.  Rev it sitting still
>(when the driveshaft is not moving) and the bike twists a bit.  Maybe
>I don't ride her fast enough to get a shaft effect, but in my opinion

	Not to start *another* shaft effect discussion, but the twist you
	feel when revving sitting still is due to the larger fly-wheels that
	the BMW R-bikes (maybe K's too, dunno) use. If you whack the throttle
	at stop lights, it'll really rock the bike over (to the right).

	<snip> 	<snip>
>2) I run two lights, the standard headlamp plus a sidelamp mounted on the
>crash bar.  The illumination's excellent that way, with a full beam coming
>out from the level of the motor (left side); the lamp beam is linear so
>that you get a bright streak of illumination from left to right, and it 
>really picks up the periphery (deer lurking, etc.)  Combined with the 
>headlamp on high you can see like day.  But I've heard that BMW alternators
>don't crank out too much.  Do I need to shut down the sidelamp when I'm
>puttering around in the dirt at low RPM?  

	Please post if you come to any conclusion on this. I am thinking
	of putting a light on each cylinder guard on my R100S, and was
	wondering whether I was going to have to switch lights off every
	time I was under 5,000 RPM :-)

>| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |


-------
"This is where I wanna sit and buy you a drink someday." - Temple of the Dog
Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|
 '79 Yamaha XS750F -- '77 BMW R100S -- '85 Toyota 4Runner --   |  NYC, NY.  |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104870
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax 

In article <1r3tm4$itu@news.ysu.edu> ak296@yfn.ysu.edu writes:

>
>In a previous article, txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) says:
>
>>parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>>
>>>I bought it, I tried it:
>>
>>>It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>>
>>>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>
>I too have seen the miracle of Maxima Chain Wax.  Not only does it lube
>and stay where it's supposed to, but I swear I can ride faster now.  Yes,
>not only does it lube your chain, it makes you a better rider.  And more
>attractive to members of the opposing sex.  And smarter.  And....

Works really well on my 'bike too.


Tony


+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104871
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <1993Apr23.233509.4739@dsd.es.com> bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <BONG-230493121730@kfp-slac-mac.slac.stanford.edu> BONG@slac.
stanford.edu (Eric Bong) writes:>>In article <C5y8Gp.1An@cbnews.cb.att.com>, 
nak@cbnews.cb.att.com>>(neil.a.kirby) wrote:
>> A bicycling technique I've
>>employed was to use my frame mounted tire pump to fend off dog
>>attacks.

I have a bayonet in the factory scabbard from a Swedish Mouser mounted to 
the handlebars of my Zuki'.  That 10" blade and my long arms do quite well 
thank you.

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                          Stolen Taglines...
                        HEY! Where did they go?
                      You don't think .... naahh.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104872
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

In article <csundh30.735598088@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:

>viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:

>>and copped <heh> an attitude when he was stopped?  Speaking as a guy
>>who recieved a *verbal warning* for 146mph in a 55, I just have to laugh.
> 

In Shreveport, back when I was riding the Purple Water Buffalo, I jumped an 
intersection IN FRONT OF A COP who was waiting for the light!  The side of 
the street he was on was hidden buy a building on the corner and I didn't 
see him till I was airborne in the middle of the intersection.  I was 
parked, had my helment off and my liscence out before he turned the corner.  
He chewed my ass out and let me go!  I will be the first to admit it was a 
very squidly thing to do, jumping the intersection like that.  The cop 
should have nailed me.  I find that if you are polite, respectfull and 
honest, they will normaly let you get away with a LOT of stuff.

P.S. The shock mounts folded up the next day.  I guess I deserved that!

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                          Stolen Taglines...
                        HEY! Where did they go?
                      You don't think .... naahh.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104873
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Are other riders welcome to join group

In article <1993Apr23.212827.19642@PacBell.COM> jscosta@srv.PacBell.COM (Jon Costa) writes:


>When riding in a group, generally speaking, do most people mind when
>another rider tags along?

>I had the distinct feeling I may not have been welcome when I tagged 
>along with a group last weekend.

Yer welcome to ride with me and my friends any time.  Just introduce your 
self at the earliest opportunity and say "Mind if I rid with you guys?"

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                          Stolen Taglines...
                        HEY! Where did they go?
                      You don't think .... naahh.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104874
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: BMW heated grips

bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:
]To those of you who have the BMW heated handgrips:
]	Are they comfortable? Do they transmit a lot of
]	vibration? How do they compare to the stock grips?
]	To foam grips? 

I don't have the grips, but have looked into getting them. it's my 
understanding that the grips themselves are the standard european 
style grips now coming standard on the 93 bikes (K1100RS, K1100LT, etc).
it's also my understanding that the heater resides _inside_ the bar 
itself so if anything I would suspect it would reduce vibration by 
providing more bar end mass.

I don't see why they wouldn't work with the old style foam grips aside
from the fact that it might cause the foam to deteriorate or something.
hard to belive considering they do fine in the 100+ degree texas summers.

'course, I don't actually have them so you can save your flames.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
BMW Mailing List                                          bmw@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104875
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: RE:windy days

In article <C5xuqM.Dxu@dcs.ed.ac.uk> amd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Alan Duncan) writes:

>>(Robert D Castro) rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu writes:-
>>When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

Handlebar mounted windshields on windy days are no fun at all.  It has been 
windy as hell down here for a week or so and it plays hell with the steering.
Oh, I still ride.  I just bitch a lot about it!

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                          Stolen Taglines...
                        HEY! Where did they go?
                      You don't think .... naahh.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104876
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers)
Subject: Re: IT AIN'T FOR ME!

In article <speedy.156@engr.latech.edu> speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:

>I am confused (like THAT'S a surprise!), someone asked ME for a copy of the 
>FAQ via E-Mail.  As I am not the KotFAQ, I was wondering what the proper 
>responce is?

You should post his/her email request, with proper attributes, of course, to
the newsgroup.  The request then becomes a matter of rec.moto public record
and warrants the ceremonial gang-FAQing.

Glad to help,
Ride safe,
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|        Cliff Weston           DoD# 0598          '92 Seca II (Tem)       |
|                                                                          |
|               This bike is in excellent condition.                       |
|               I've done all the work on it myself.                       |
|                                                                          |
|                     -- Glen "CRASH" Stone                                |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104877
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: Mail order response time

I have ordered many times from Competition accesories and ussually
get 2-3 day delivery.  Once they had to backorder something, but they
sent me a card to say it would be two weeks.  Came in 10 days or so.

Always be satisfied, with CA and in life.

	<================================================> 
       /        Rich Sturges           (h) 703-536-4443   \
      /    NSWC - Carderock Division   (w) 301-227-1670    \
     /  "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same."  \
    <========================================================>

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104878
From: SHICKLEY@VM.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: For Sale (sigh)


                 FOR SALE (RELUCTANTLY)
                  ---- Classic Bike -----
                 1972 YAMAHA XS-2 650 TWIN
 
<6000 Original miles. Always stored inside. 1979 front end with
aftermarket tapered steering head bearings. Racer's supply rear
bronze swingarm bushings, Tsubaki chain, Pirrhana 1/4 fairing
with headlight cutout, one-up Carrera racing seat, superbike bars,
velo stacks on twin carbs. Also have original seat. Tank is original
cherry/white paint with no scratches, dents or dings. Needs a
new exhaust as original finally rusted through and was discarded.
I was in process of making Kenney Roberts TT replica/ cafe racer
when graduate school, marriage, child precluded further effort.
Wife would love me to unload it. It does need re-assembly, but
I think everything is there. I'll also throw in manuals, receipts,
and a collection of XS650 Society newsletters and relevant mag
articles. Great fun, CLASSIC bike with over 2K invested. Will
consider reasonable offers.
___________________________________________________________________________
 
Timothy J. Shickley, Ph.D.   Director, Neurourology
Departments of Urology and Anatomy/Cell Biology
Temple University School of Medicine
3400 North Broad St.
Philadelphia, PA 19140
(voice/data) 215-221-8966; (voice) 21-221-4567; (fax) 21-221-4565
INTERNET: shickley@vm.temple.edu     BITNET: shickley@templevm.bitnet
ICBM: 39 57 08N
      75 09 51W
_________________________________________________________________________
 
 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104879
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <9426.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
>
>Interestingly, the one thing that never happened was that the bike never
>moved off course. 

	Unfortunately, I am one of the "negative-impaired".  The
	above sentence says (I believe), that the bike DID move
	off course.  Of course.

				;-)  Michael
-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104880
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: BMW heated grips

In article <1113@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner) writes:

>bergman@panix.com (Mark Bergman) writes:
>]To those of you who have the BMW heated handgrips:
>]      Are they comfortable? Do they transmit a lot of
>]      vibration? How do they compare to the stock grips?
>]      To foam grips? 

>I don't have the grips, but have looked into getting them. it's my 
>understanding that the grips themselves are the standard european 
>style grips now coming standard on the 93 bikes (K1100RS, K1100LT, etc).
>it's also my understanding that the heater resides _inside_ the bar 
>itself so if anything I would suspect it would reduce vibration by 
>providing more bar end mass.

>I don't see why they wouldn't work with the old style foam grips aside
>from the fact that it might cause the foam to deteriorate or something.
>hard to belive considering they do fine in the 100+ degree texas summers.

Someone once sold heated motorcycle grips via mail order.  The were 
aftermarket replacement grips that had the heating elements mlded into the 
grip itself.  Wires ran outside of the bars, from the grips to a switch and 
finaly the battery.  Cycle Magazine tested them YEARS ago and liked them.  
Dunno if they are still made.  Might check with the snowmobile racers.

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                           umop apisdn


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104881
From:         Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD>
Subject:      Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

A long time back (months), I think a similar question was asked....

A suggestion, in addition to Ed's list, was to put your windward knee out
away from the bike.

I tried it, and it seems to help, actually.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brad Thone
Systems Consultant
Systems Service Enterprises
St. Louis, MO
c09615bt @ wuvmd.wustl.edu
c09615bt @ wuvmd.bitnet

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104882
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: The best of times, the worst of times

In article <1r1nujINNcti@gap.caltech.edu> ridgway@cco.caltech.edu (Alex Ridgway) writes:
+paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
+>[My problem] turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 
+>carb.  I keep hearing that one should keep all of the screws
+>tight on a bike, but I never thought that I had to do that
+>on the screws inside of a carb.  At least it was roadside
+>fixable and I was on my way in hardly any time.
+
+Gee, I always figured that it was the loose screws on/in the _rider_
+that were most likely to cause any problems.  Did you check for that
+at the same time?

That is very true.  However, screws have been loose on this rider
for quite some time, so they had been taken into account.
____________________________________________________________________________
		Russian Roulette is fun 5 out of 6 times
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   Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2
  KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905)
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104883
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Help me adjust my tappits 

In article <jcn-210493180052@lactose.rice.edu> jcn@rice.edu writes:

>And speaking of shims, why would the clearance of the valves get smaller,
>i.e.
>need the use of a thinner shim?
>

Valve seat wear?


Tony


+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104884
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted

In article <1993Apr21.142333.6707@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mwallace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark Wallace) writes:
>bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>
>>In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mar
> Marten) writes:
>>>
>>>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow 
>>>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has
>
>>With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything
>>would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank
>>bag.
>
>I think the only thing to watch for is the number of attachment
>straps.  Most come with 3 and some with 4, I have a Bagman 4 strap
>tankbag and because the rear of the tank is so narrow the fit
>is not optimal.

Good point, I'd overlooked that. The Eclipse has a 3 point mount, 1 at
the rear and 2 at the front, and it's very stable on the FJ. I have seen
some with harnesses that mount to the sides of the tank, and that would
be a real problem on the FJ.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104885
From: dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <mjs.735489679@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>lemay@netcom.com (Laura Lemay) writes:
>
>[lotsa stuff deleted...]
>
>>- Switch your hands to the guardrail to stretch your shoulders, but be 
>>  sure and squeeze your thighs while you're doing it so your rider knows you're
>>  still there. :)  The guard rail isn't as safe as holding onto your rider.
>
>Hmmmm - why does everyone on that side of the Pond seem to want
>pillions to hang on to the rider rather than the grabrail? 

Because I'm a guy and most of my pillions are female. 

Also, the other reasons, like having an idea where you passengers
weight is, it being a more comfortable position for the passenger,
and it being a more stable configuration all come into it as well.

Holding the grab rail is a great idea only for braking, when you
don't want the pillion to slide forward into you, otherwise I don't
find it works well.

-David
(dagibbs@qnx.com)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104886
From: lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall)
Subject: Re: story & respect


>> In article <1993Apr19.223026.10137@Pacesetter.COM> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>>>
>> I just got back from the 11th Annual Southern California Harley Dealers
>>Association Run to the Colorado river city of Lauglin, Nevada.
>
>Why is it that some people can't enjoy themselves without being assholes?
>
>If you want to be treated with respect, you need to treat others, their 
>property, and their towns with respect.
>
>Several years ago, I was at the Annual Fly-in of the Experimental Aircraft
>Association (EAA) near Oshkosh, Wisconsin. Although approximately 100,000
>people were in attendance, there was not a piece of litter anywhere.  Everyone
>was considerate enough to place their trash where it belonged.
>
>There's no problem in having fun, raising hell, etc.  But consideration
>and respect for others is critical; we need to work WITH each other, not
>against.
>
>Nudity, fine...loud noise, fine...party all night, fine... but at the right
>place and time.  Please, let's not trample over other's rights and then bitch
>because they don't treat us like gods.
>
>Michael Menard

 You know, I wasn't EVEN going to respond to this typical anti-party
attitude message. Trash was everywhere - reason? Not enough dipsy
dumpsters for the massive crowd. Oatman wasn't prepared for the vast
number of PEOPLE that showed up.
 BTW Michael, Oatman is the RIGHT PLACE & TIME. It's called a RUN! Maybe
you didn't read my comment that "They loved us" and I'm talking about the
merchants and townspeople. The merchants that didn't want us - their shops
were closed.
  Maybe I should have mentioned that when I left - the trash was being
picked up (aluminum sells) by a crew assigned to the task.
  I think the bottom line here is do they want us back ???!!! They Do!
This 'action' that went on at Oatman is TYPICAL on a predominatly Harley
run. It's innocent fun.
  So since I enjoy TYPICAL Harley fun at Runs - in your eyes that makes me
an asshole. I've already admitted I'm an asshole many times on the net.
All my friends are assholes too (lyrics to a new song?). So, you want a
dime to call someone that cares?
  It appears we have a difference of opinion. Maybe you should look at the
big picture before you pass judgement on others. 11th Annual. That should
tell you something.
                           Lynn Hall - NOS Bros


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104887
From: paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
+In article <C5pntM.8Co@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
+
+>This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
+>a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
+>I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
+>dog or one that's really, *really* stupid.  A large Irish Setter taught me
+>this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day.  I'm sure he was playing 
+>a game with me.  The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before 
+>He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.
+
+What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?
+
+You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
+off!
+
+Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
+we have *all* the advantages.

Look, if you are worried about being attacked by a dog, just carry
some "Spot" remover with you :-).
____________________________________________________________________________
		Russian Roulette is fun 5 out of 6 times
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   Paul Blumstein, paulb@harley.tti.com, DoD #36, ABATE, AMA, HOG, doh #2
  KD6LAA, MARC, ARRL, Platypus #240, QRP-ARPCI, NASWA, LWCA, RCMA (CALA905)
            Transaction Technology, Inc., Santa Monica, CA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104888
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <1993Apr20.204831.19788@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>
>In my view, drunk driving should carry a mandatory prison sentence.
>It is one of the traffic offenses which is NOT a public funds issue,
>but a genuine safety issue.  So if YOU bring up the subject on rec.moto,
>admitting having been caught DWI, and looking for sympathy over the 
>consequences, don't expect people to respond with warm wishes.
>
>Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
>90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
>84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
>AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

By not being able to drive for a year, it was close enough to jail.

And, BTW, where the hell did I ask for sympathy.

I asked what to do about insurance, not about my _life_.

FWIW, if everyone was _honest_ on this group, I'd
others besides me that read this have had a DWI too.

-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104889
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
]it would be a shame to split boxer riders between different lists
]unless, of course, the existing list failed to meet the readers'
]needs.

nowhere did I see you mention K bikes, which, being made by BMW, are 
welcome on my list. in fact, you go out of your way to say:

           "most all boxer talk is welcome"

your list appears to cater to boxers. that's great. my list caters to
BMW's, *without any restrictions* like you have. considering that the
subscription count went to 29 within 18 hours of my initial post about
the list (which was made around 10:00pm just before I went to bed), I'd 
say that there is a need for a *BMW* list as opposed to just a GS boxer 
list.

my motivation for setting up the BMW list came from an earlier post of 
yours announcing your boxer list. it didn't fit my needs.

ok, we've pissed on each other's list. let's get back to the regular
net.noise and read our respective lists.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
BMW Mailing List                                          bmw@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104890
From: arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega)
Subject: Re: Bonding with a Caged Cop?

akelley@oracle.uucp (Alyn Kelley) writes:

...<waving policeman, happy policeman, nice policeman>...

>	Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon, or am I somehow
>the only one to have been blessed with a cop's good mood?  (insert
>mild sarcasm)

>Alyn
>DoD #875
>'92 Seca II

Well, not me. However, I wouldn't trade all the times I've^H^H^H^H a
close friend has been pulled over, cussed and shouted at, and finally
let off with a verbal warning in exchange for a few waves & smiles!

:-) if you like but I'm serious.

Later,

Art "Yes Sir ... No Sir ... Sorry Sir ... Thank you Sir!"
arturo@informix.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104891
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: MOA members, another letter to read!

Has anyone noticed that all this happened since Chris Perez was gifted
with a membership?

Anyone for rec.motorcycles.beemer.club.whiner? I know this might get
confused with K-whiners, but maybe there's a connection?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104892
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

hesh@cup.hp.com (Chris Steinbroner) writes:
>[sorry, had to take out tx.motorcycles because
>my news server rejected it. -- hesh]
>Bob Pasker (rbp@netcom.com) wrote:
>: it would be a shame to split boxer riders between different lists
>: unless, of course, the existing list failed to meet the readers'
>: needs.
>you presumed you needed to "split" out a GS list.
>by implication of your "split", a plain ol' bmw
>list wouldn't meet the GS riders' needs.

good point.  the "list" actually started out as an extension of my GS
v. FJ shootout list, which is why it got that name.  since inception,
however, other boxer-interested folks have joined and the conversation
has not always been "geared" to gs/pd/st-specific topics.

>for the sake of not forcing the split issue,
>how about changing the charter and renaming
>your list from bmw-gs to just bmw?  would that
>make everybody happy?

when i raised the "to expand or not to expand/that is the question"
question on the list itself, there were mixed feelings.  the list has
always been open to anyone with a non-bouncing "from:" line and there
has been general agreement that only boxer-related stuff is
appropriate.  almost all of the subscribers own R80/R100 GS/ST/PD
bikes, although some R, RT and RS owners are also on it.

at this point, my main interest for the list is to preserve the peace
and comraderie while at the same time providing as wide access as
possible.  the list is fairly technical, with "how do i do this?",
"what kind of that should i get?" kinds of questions.  there has yet
to be any non-BMW bashing, K bike bashing, or "any bmw mfg'd after
1962 is a piece of shit" bashing.  such posts are, by consent of the
governed, proscribed.

if the simple name change would make a significant difference to the
net.boxer.owners, then i am not going to stand in the way of progress.

so, hesh, let me turn the question around: have you (or has anyone
else) not joined the list because you felt your boxer was excluded?
-- 
-- bob pasker
-- rbp@netcom.com
--

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104893
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Dogs vs. Bikes

In article <13605@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>In article <C5r12x.K8M@ccu.umanitoba.ca> klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger) writes:
>>  I have a large ol' farting dog and have made a real effort at trying
>>to train him but he still just flatulates at will.

Don't feed it so much.
Seriously.

>>  First I would like to break him of this and then I'll worry
>>about his chasing things.
>>
>
>If you can't you've obviously waited too long, or are not putting
>much effort into it.
>
>MY 80 lb dog (not always) used to fart all the time.
>
>By making her notice it (of course the smell doesn't
>bother HER! :), and thence kicking her outside (somewhat
>literally), she came to realize that she shoudln't do it
>(at least not around me)

Sort of like that scene in "10", in the minister's study, when the
secretary lets one fly, and the startled dog runs from the room.
The minister explains, "Every time Mrs. Soandso breaks wind, we beat the dog."


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104894
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <1993Apr21.115453.17928@Virginia.EDU> cds7k@Virginia.EDU (Christopher Douglas Saady) writes:
>There's also Billy Jack, The Wild One, Smokey and the Bandit
>(Where Jerry Reed runs his truck over Motorcycle Gangs Bikes),
>and a video tape documentary on the Hell's Angels I
>found in a rental store once


Don't forget Robert Blake in "Electra Glide in Blue" (where else do
you get to see a full-dress Harley playing with dirt bikes?).
And if you're going to count Smokey and the Bandit, then you darn
well better include "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure".



-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104895
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax


In a previous article, txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) says:

>parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>>I bought it, I tried it:
>
>>It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>
>>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.

I too have seen the miracle of Maxima Chain Wax.  Not only does it lube
and stay where it's supposed to, but I swear I can ride faster now.  Yes,
not only does it lube your chain, it makes you a better rider.  And more
attractive to members of the opposing sex.  And smarter.  And....
-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104896
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: What is a squid? (was Re: Riceburner Respect)


In a previous article, serafin@epcot.spdc.ti.com (Mike Serafin) says:

>
>A POSER squid was the guy I saw yesterday on my way home.  Similar attire as
>above sans jacket (it is April in Texas ya know), but he is riding down the
		    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
	Amazing.  And I thought only California got April.
-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104897
From: chucks@uars2.acd.ucar.edu (Chuck Smythe)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

 >Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
  
As the owner of a V65 Sabre (shaftie), I can answer from personal experience:

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Chuck Smythe (DoD #50)


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104898
From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks

Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago (doc@webrider.central.sun.com) wrote:
: I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing 
: a motorcycle.  I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
: (described below).  Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
: in the Chicago area?
: 
: Any other feedback from someone who has used this?

What about the new Yamaha "Cyclelok" ?
From the photo in Motorcyclist, it looks the same hardened steel as a 
Kryptonite U lock, except it folds in five places.
It seems to extend out far enough to lock the rear tire to the tube of
a parking sign or similar.

Anyone had any experience with them, how easy is it to attack the lock
at the jointed sections ?

tony

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104899
From: bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <1993Apr21.143405.22536@Newbridge.COM> bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin) writes:
>In article <bethdC5sv80.698@netcom.com> bethd@netcom.com (Beth Dixon) writes:
>>=================================================================
>>Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
>>1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>=================================================================
>
>Now just wait one cotton picking minute here.... DoD rule 417.1.2 section 6
>paragraph 3 clearly indicates that multiple people can't lay claim to a bike
>in an "obvious" ploy to "artificially" increase the size of their stable...
>
>So the question of the day is... Is Spike owned by a lady of true class and
>breeding (my definition: any woman who rides :-) ) or by Tom the harely head???
Spike is owned by both Tom and I.  We went 1/2's on the purchase price
and have split costs of needed parts, registration, etc.  Both names are
on the pink slip.

>I also note that you lay no claim to Connie or Ol Sport. (Like I said, 
>obviously a lady of discriminating taste...)
I am covered by insurance to ride the Harley.   I'd give it a go if
I could work the clutch.  I can barely get the clutch lever to move
using both hands while standing next to the bike.  Ol' Sport is a
very distinctive bike.
The Concours is favorite of mine.  I've pillioned an easy 4000 miles
on that bike in the last year.  Unfortunately, my feet are a good
10" off the ground once I'm on her.  No way I could take her for a
ride as pilot rather than pillion.  If I could fit on a Concours, I'd
buy one.  IMHO, the best sport-tourer made.  I'm not _too_ upset
I had to settle for the Ducati 750SS as my touring bike, though. :-)

>Bored minds wanta know.
So, now you know.

Beth

=================================================================
Beth [The One True Beth] Dixon                   bethd@netcom.com
1981 Yamaha SR250 "Excitable Girl"                      DoD #0384
1979 Yamaha SR500 "Spike the Garage Rat"             FSSNOC #1843
1992 Ducati 750SS                                     AMA #631903
1963 Ducati 250 Monza -- restoration project         1KQSPT = 1.8
"I can keep a handle on anything just this side of deranged."
                                                        -- ZZ Top
=================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104900
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

In article <1r941o$3tu@menudo.uh.edu> inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>another to the list but with this one I felt the most helpless.  I am sitting
>at a light about 1 - 2 car lengths behind a car, a wise decsion.  Suddenly I 
>hear screeching tires.  I dart my eyes to my mirrors and realize it's the 
>moroon flying up right behind me, in my panic I pop my clutch and stall the
>bike.  Luckily the guy stops a foot behind my rear wheel.
>
>I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
>really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

I've only ever done it in an automatic. I was sitting in my Olds, in
the winter, at a light, when I heard screeching behind me. I managed to
dart into the left turn lane before the sliding Jetta wound up half
where I was and half in the parked car beside where I was. I've never
had occasion to do it on a bike, but I imagine that it would be even
easier, because you could slip beside the car in front. Giving a gander
at the mirrors while at a light will give you time to get the clutch
out smoothly when you notice trouble, instead of waiting for the
screeching.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104910
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In rec.motorcycles, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

> Driving While Impared.  It allows for prosecution of drivers under the
> influence of a variety of drugs.

Like non-Sudafed cold medicines?  1/2 :-) 

-Jeff Deeney-  DoD#0498    NCTR                '88 XR600-Shamu 
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
The sound of fresh rain run-off splashing from the roof reminded me of the
sound of urine splashing into a filthy Texaco latrine.    -Jack Handey

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104911
From: vlj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Victor Johnson)
Subject: Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

In rec.motorcycles, rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:

> When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?

  When the bugs are splatting on the side of my helmet instead
  of the faceshield.  When semis are on their side in the downwind
  ditch.  When I can't see the road for all the tumbleweeds rolling
  past.  When the airborne sand/gravel is sandblasting my paint job.
  When all of the above is happening at once in the middle of Wonderful
  Wyldoming.

  Well, it *WAS* gusting to 87 mph.

  Cheers,
  VLJ
  ---

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104912
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

In article <1r941o$3tu@menudo.uh.edu> inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
>
>I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
>really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

If you had been looking in your mirror, you would have seen the guy coming 
before you heard the screeching tires.

When you're stopped at a light:

1)  Stop so that you're got space in front of you, and a quick easy escape
route (between lanes, into a crosswalk, up a driveway, somewhere) if someone
decides they want to plow into you.

2)  Keep the bike in first with the clutch in until at least a couple of cars
are stopped behind you, so you don't have to waste a second you don't have
trying to get it in gear if you need to move.

3)  Watch your mirrors.  In that situation, most of the hazards you are 
trying to avoid are coming from behind you.  SIPDE (<-- msf-geek-speak)
isn't just for when you're moving.  And you're less likely to panic and stall
the bike if you've got time to prepare before the guy's tires lock up behind
you.  (You still get the bejeezus scared out of you, but it's more a feeling
of quickly-rising dread than a sudden jolt.)





-- 
Ray Shea    		 
UniSQL, Inc.		 	
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu 
DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT     

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104913
From: wallich@NCD.COM (Ken Wallich)
Subject: Re: BMW heated grips

Orating with wild abandon, prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange) offers:
%The grips on my GS are a wonderful thing in the winter and no problem
%in the summer. Vibration? BMW's don't vibrate. Everyone knows that.

I'd agree with Henry.  The grips are really nice to have in winter,
and aren't noticably different from 'normal' grips in summer.  

My only complaint is that the 'low' setting might as well be 'off'.
This has been complained about by every reviewer, official and
unofficial, that's ever talked about these grips.  The 'high' setting
is often too high for use with lightweight summer gloves when things
just get a bit nippy, but since 'low' doesn't produce a noticable
effect, I end up turning the grips on and off to keep the temperature
about right.  This generally isn't a problem when wearing thicker
winter gloves.  When I asked the dealer if they could fix it, I
received a consoling pat on the back, and their sincere apologies for
the poor design (actually, I was told they worked just like they were
suppose to).

Vibration?  What's that?  I ride a BMW twin.  You can barely tell if
the engine is fired up or not most of the time, smoother than silk
sheets.

--
Ken Wallich <wallich@ncd.com> 
ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104914
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: where to put your helmet

In article uupcb@compdyn.questor.org, ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) writes:
>
>Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. If
>you own a typical standard or other bike with fairly average mirrors
>that screw into your handlebars, your helmet should fit over your mirror
>and be fairly stable

Be careful that you do not have any weight of the helmet resting on the
mirror.  It will depress the foam liner in the helmet.  That is not the
kind of foam that bounces back, like foam rubber.  Its purpose in life
is to absorb energy in an impact as it is compressed by your noggin.
If your mirror compresses it, there is that much less energy absorbing
capacity left to cushon your noggin in a crash.

I found the right handlebar to be a good spot, if on the sidestand.
Hang with the chinbar facing up, balanced across the grip and brake
lever such that the weight of the helmet doesn't compress any of the
chinbar foam.  This is more challanging with an open face helmet.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104915
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for

In article 5967@prcrs.prc.com, terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
>
>I know of no law, either on the books or proposed, that bans motorcycles
>from any place that i want to go to.

So you really see no problem with banning them from places to which you
don't want to go?

>I have not heard, or discussed with non-motorcycling persons, or read of
>any popular movement, either in the country as a whole, or in any of the
>states, that is out to 'get' motorcycles.

Talk to somebody in the insurance industry, particularly after a few
drinks.  Then talk to my mom (no booze required).  :^)

>One more thing, if the public is misinformed and misunderstands as you
>state, what are you and the others posting on this doing to correct the
>situation?   

Ever heard of the DoD?   :^)

>ever since I hit my teens I have found that there were
>terrible wrongs to right, attitudes to adust... [blah, blah, blah]

>Fortunately, I grew up!   :-)

Nah, you just became complacent that so long as your little quarter
acre is safe, you get your little tax deduction, and no act of the
government intrudes, in too direct and obvious a way, into your little
day to day life, you just don't give a shit.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104916
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

In article r2g@agate.berkeley.edu, robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson) writes:
>In article <1quaq9$i7d@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>>In article 28353@cbnewsm.cb.att.com, shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>>>Don't you mean "former motorcyclist?"
>>
>>No.
>
>>Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation...

Yep.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104917
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article DEH@synoptics.com, noemi@synoptics.com (Noemi Berry) writes:
>
>guess how you turn a horse: LOOK where you want
>to go!  and PLAN your turns and jumps.  the best
>riders give refined, smooth inputs to the beast.
>lots of maintenance.  leather looks cool.
>sound familiar?

Black ones look better.  None are truely indiginous to America,
although some of the finest are produced here.  Gear is expensive, and
you never seem have enough of it.  Volvos hit them.  Only idiots
intentionally rear up the front half off the ground just to look cool.
Posers don't ride them in the rain.  They are dangerous on ice.  Loud
ones are annoying, and too much chrome looks dumb.

Yep, sounds familiar!

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Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104918
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

In article 735312515@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>
>>1.  All of us that argue about gyroscopes, etc., throughly understand
>>the technique of countersteering.
>
>Including all the ones who think that they countersteer all the way
>through a corner??

Well... all the way through a decreasing-radius corner, anyway...

>This is really the only thing we disagree on. Maybe we should agree to
>disagree?? 

OK (but I'm right!)  :^)

>The official line here (though I do have my doubts about it) is that the
>front brake is applied first, followed by the rear brake, the idea being
>that you avoid locking up the rear after weight transfer takes place. 

If that's the "official line" taught in those rider education classes
you were refering to, that also don't teach countersteering, I have to
question the quality of the classes.  The "official line" in MSF
curricula is as I described.  Maximum braking is achieved by applying
both brakes equally, when the weight distribution is nominally even and
both tires have equal normal forces, and easing off on the rear to
prevent locking it, and increasing braking on the front, as more
traction is available to the front due to increased normal force due to
weight shift.

The "official line" you have been taught seems ineffective on the face
of it.  Applying the rear brake after the front is not taking advantage
of all the traction available to the rear at time 0, and is halving the
available braking power by using only the front at time 0.

>>Saying, "brake until the tire just begins to slide" is next to useless
>>advice to a newbie.  He has to go out and slide the tire to find out
>>where that is!  It also gives him zero information from which to
>>develop a braking technique that changes as the braking and
>>corresponding weight shift develop.
>
>If you don't slide the tyre, you have no way of knowing whether you've
>achieved maximum braking or not. I'm not suggesting that you should always
>aim to brake as hard as you possibly can - but if you want to find the
>limits of the machine, you have to go beyond them. 

Not necessarily true.  "Chirping" the tire indicates impending lockup
(on most surfaces), and serves as a good guide to newbies to indicate
maximum braking.  I agree that totally locking the front occasionally
makes one a better rider, but it is a manuver best saved for an
experienced rider, unless you have one of those outrigger bikes like
Code used to use.

>In any case, for maximum braking, if (as I suggested) you aim to keep
>both wheels just on the point of sliding, then you'll be doing
>exactly as *you* suggest!!

True, but from the point of view of how to best *teach* riding skills
(which is how this discussion started), "keep both wheels just on the
point of sliding" is nearly useless information.  You need to teach a
*technique*, or at least a strategy, to achieve this.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104919
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

In article 735328328@bdrc.bd.com, Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) writes:
>So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in left 
>hand, Camel cigarette in the right, no feet allowed.) If I lean, and the 
>bike turns, am I countersteering?

Countersteering is a method for *leaning* the bike.  Another method is
leaning.  Once leaned, the bike turns all by itself.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104920
From: laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth)
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) writes:
|> 
|> Various posts about shafties can't do wheelies:
|> 
|> >: > No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
|> >: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
|> >: > off the ground
|> >
|> >Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my
|> >BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and
|> >you know what? He was right!
|> 
|> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
|> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!

you may have been able to bounce the front up but not
actually do a "wheelie". see the shaft effect unloads
the rear susspension and effectivly loads the front.
this is why a shaft bike should accelerate if it starts
scraping in a corner......


laz

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104921
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article 190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov, jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>
>	What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?

Driving While Impared.  It allows for prosecution of drivers under the
influence of a variety of drugs.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104922
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article 13542@news.duke.edu, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>
>Also, NC recently (last few years) decided that due to the fact there
>are constantly people on the road drunk driving, they will raise
>their awareness of it by making stricter laws, and as such, now I believe
>NC has the toughest laws for DWI (while not necessarily increasing any
>amount of awareness, or "kills" on the highways - meaning it's
>only made a difference at sentencing)

Automatic revocation of your license for a year.  I'm not sure it's the
"toughtest" law around, but NC has absolutely no sense of humor with
respect to driving laws, anyway.  I think they put you in jail and sell
your first child into slavery for passing a school bus...

A bill breezed through the NC House to lower the intoxification level
from .1 to .08.  It faces stiff opposition in the Senate.  Recently,
the Highway Patrol took a few of the opposition Senators out and gave
them some shots, and when they hit .07, put them on a course dodging
cones.  They failed, and will probably change their votes as a result.

For some bizarre reason, NC is the only state where the governer has no
veto power over legislation coming out of the state Congress, so his
opinion on the matter is moot.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104924
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!

In article <1993Apr15.171757.10890@i88.isc.com> jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist) writes:
>Rolls-Royce owned by a non-British firm?
>
>Ye Gods, that would be the end of civilization as we know it.

  Why not?  Ford owns Aston-Martin and Jaguar, General Motors owns Lotus
and Vauxhall.  Rover is only owned 20% by Honda.

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| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104925
From: rwf2@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (ROBERT WILLIAM FUSI)
Subject: Bike advice

I have an '89 Kawasaki KX 80.  It is in mint condition and starts on the first
kick EVERY time.  I have outgrown the bike, and am considering selling it.  I
was told I should ask around $900.  Does that sound right or should it be
higher/lower?
    Also, I am looking for a used ZX-7.  How much do I have to spend, and what
year should I look for to get a bike without paying an arm and a leg????
    Thanks for the help!

                                                    Rob Fusi
                                                    rwf2@lehigh.edu
-- 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104926
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Subject: Re: story

In article <1993Apr19.223026.10137@Pacesetter.COM> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>
> I just got back from the 11th Annual Southern California Harley Dealers
>Association Run to the Colorado river city of Lauglin, Nevada.
>
>AKA - the Lauglin Run
>

I went there too.  All I can say is

"TOO MUCH TRASH".


-- 
I hate the 3B2
The 3B2 can bite me.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104927
From: ramarren@apple.com (Godfrey DiGiorgi)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

I've never ridden pillion very much but recently had an excellent 
experience passengering with Dave Edmondson at pilot while in London. 

I found that it upset the bike much less if I rode with the pilot, that
is, if I looked over his shoulder and anticipated when I should hold on
hard for braking or acceleration. I tried to always look over the
inside shoulder on corners and move as little as possible, leaving
Dave to manage me and the bike as he normally would the bike and 
luggage.

Hard acceleration can be quite unnerving as the feeling of being spit 
off the back is hard to fight. Similarly, I held on to the grab handles
tightly when Dave needed to brake so as not to mash him to a pulp (I'm
a lot bigger than he is...). Reaching around him and pushing off the 
tank seemed like it would be very awkward and make it even harder for 
him to manage.

On the rare occasions when I carry a passenger myself, I absolutely
refuse to carry anyone who is not properly accoutered for riding. That's
helmet, jacket, gloves, stout pants and shoes/boots as a minimum. It's 
not my responsibility to provide this gear, but it's my responsibility
to require it if they want to ride.

And I agree with an earlier poster: if you've not had much experience
carrying a particular passenger and especially if you've not carried
many passengers before, take a few gentler rides of some duration before
you head off to a difficult road like Mines/Mt. Hamilton. That's a 
nasty place to find yourself in trouble.
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104932
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)
From: stubbs@hawk.cs.ukans.edu (Jerry Stubbs)

In article <C5sK1D.C1p@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
>VIDAR OLAF SOLBERG (vidaros@dhhalden.no) wrote:
>& Can somebody tell me what all the letter spesifications on motorcycle models 
>& really mean. 

>"CB" is a street bike with an parallel twin or inline 4-cylinder engine.

>Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@sad.hp.com    (707) 794-4168 work,



Hmmm ... . my first bike, a CB125S, was a single . . .


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104933
From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: BMWMOA Controversy

In article <1993Apr15.163043.12770@pb2esac.uucp> prahren@pb2esac.uucp (Peter Ahrens) writes:
>In article <1095@rider.UUCP> joe@rider.cactus.org writes:
>>>vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
>>>...good ol boys that have been there too long. 
>>
>> [...] while I agree with you that the current
>>board is garbage, voting you in would simply be trading one form of trash 
>>for another...do the opponents of your selections get equal time...? 
>
>Yo' Joe, why don't you post what you really think?
>
>If there are any rational BMWMOA folks left out there, may the rest of
>us please have a brief summary of the current state of affairs in your
>esteemed organization, together with an historical outline of how you
>got to the above contretemps?
>

Now you know why I am just a DOD member.  I like bikes and clubs but
the politics and other b*llsh*t is a real turn-off.
-- 
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irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75/6)
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104934
From: nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625)
Subject: test


test

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104942
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: Re: Bat-helmet.

CBD>From: Christopher Bradley Devlin <cd1i+@andrew.cmu.edu>

CBD>>but it's nothing compared to the (ahem) unique helmet
CBD>>design seen in the new Animated Series: it has a huge opening for his
CBD>>mouth, topped by the world's tiniest eyeslits above the enormous mouth
CBD>>opening. Batman's helmet probably cuts you down to about 12 degrees of
CBD>>unrestricted vision. With a helmet like this, he might just be better
CBD>>off with the leather cap/mask thingy.

CBD>C'mon, Batman doesn't need to SEE.  He's Batman.

CBD>Did you notice he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain?

So let's see what we have on the Batdude so far: He has a weird helmet.
He drags his knee in corners (thanks, Cookson, but how does he do it?
Hidden Bat-pucks?), and he only takes the bike out in the snow or rain.
Also, he lets Robin ride! I think I could have used a Bat-mom. Would
have made getting my license a lot easier!

There's a trend here: Stylish helmet, Stylish knee-dragging, rides only
in Stylish cartoon precipitation. Hmm . . . Could it be that we're
dealing with a veritable airborne mammalian poseur? Dare I say it, a
BAT-SQUID?? (huh? Bat-Squid?) It all adds up now . . .

Let's make the B-man an honorary DoD DuDe. All he needs is a DoD
sticker.

Actually, anyone have an address for Batman's current artists, both
comic book and animated series? We'll write and ask if Batman would like
to become an honorary Denizen! Yeah!

Special To The KoTL: Is there a precedent for inducting an imaginary
member with an imaginary motorcycle? Having seen the computers in the
Bat-Cave, I think we can safely assume that he also has imaginary
Internet access.

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104943
From: ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau) 
Subject: Boom! Dog attack!

My previous posting on dog attacks must have generated some bad karma or
something. I've weathered attempted dog attacks before using the
approved method: Slow down to screw up dog's triangulation of target,
then take off and laugh at the dog, now far behind you. This time, it
didn't work because I didn't have time. Riding up the hill leading to my
house, I encountered a liver-and-white Springer Spaniel (no relation to
the Springer Softail, or the Springer Spagthorpe, a close relation to
the Spagthorpe Viking). Actually, the dog encountered me with intent to
harm.

But I digress: I was riding near the (unpainted) centerline of the
roughly 30-foot wide road, doing between forty and sixty clicks (30 mph
for the velocity-impaired). The dog shot at me from behind bushes on the
left side of the road at an impossibly high speed. I later learned he
had been accelerating from the front porch, about thirty feet away,
heading down the very gently sloped approach to the side of the road. I
saw the dog, and before you could say SIPDE, he was on me. Boom! I took
the dog in the left leg, and from the marks on the bike my leg was
driven up the side of the bike with considerable force, making permanent
marks on the plastic parts of the bike, and cracking one panel. I think
I saw the dog spin around when I looked back, but my memory of this
moment is hazy.

I next turned around, and picked the most likely looking house. The
apologetic woman explained that the dog was not seriously hurt (cut
mouth) and hoped I was not hurt either. I could feel the pain in my
shin, and expected a cool purple welt to form soon. Sadly, it has not.
So I'm left with a tender shin, and no cool battle scars!

Interestingly, the one thing that never happened was that the bike never
moved off course. The not inconsiderable impact did not push the bike
off course, nor did it cause me to put the bike out of control from some
gut reaction to the sudden impact. Delayed pain may have helped me
here, as I didn't feel a sudden sharp pain that I can remember.

What worries me about the accident is this: I don't think I could have
prevented it except by traveling much slower than I was. This is not
necessarily an unreasonable suggestion for a residential area, but I was
riding around the speed limit. I worry about what would have happened if
it had been a car instead of a dog, but I console myself with the
thought that it would take a truly insane BDI cager to whip out of a
blind driveway at 15-30 mph. For that matter, how many driveways are
long enough for a car to hit 30 mph by the end?

I eagerly await comment.

Ryan Cousinetc.|1982 Yamaha Vision XZ550 -Black Pig of Inverness|Live to Ride
KotRB          |1958 AJS 500 C/S -King Rat                      |to Work to
DoD# 0863      |I'd be a squid if I could afford the bike...    |Flame to
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104944
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: What is it with Cats and Dogs ???!

In article <1993Apr14.200933.15362@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> jimbes@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (james.bessette) writes:
>In article <6130328@hplsla.hp.com> kens@hplsla.hp.com (Ken Snyder) writes:
>>ps.  I also heard from a dog breeder that the chains of bicycles and
>>motorcycles produced high frequency squeaks that dogs loved to chase.
>
>Ask the breeder why they also chase BMWs also.


Squeaky BMW riders.



-- 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104945
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: GOT MY BIKE! (was Wanted: Advice on CB900C Purchase)

In article <1993Apr16.142831.13635@ll.mit.edu> jburnside@ll.mit.edu (jamie w burnside) writes:
>--
>In article <1993Apr16.005131.29830@ncsu.edu>, jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu 
>(JACK ROGERS WATERS) writes:
>|>>
>|>>>Being a reletively new reader, I am quite impressed with all the usefull
>|>>>info available on this newsgroup.  I would ask how to get my own DoD number,
>|>>>but I'll probably be too busy riding ;-).
>|>>
>|>>	Does this count?
>|>
>|>Yes.  He thought about it.
>|>>
>|>>$ cat dod.faq | mailx -s "HAHAHHA" jburnside@ll.mit.edu (waiting to press
>|>>							 return...)
>
>Hey, c'mon guys (and gals), I chose my words very carefully and even 
>tried to get my FAQ's straight.  Don't holler BOHICA at me!
> 
Around here, even mentioning the DoD without a number in your .sig
can get you soundly FAQed.  Notice, however, that I myself did
not FAQ the careful monk.  He was, after all, waiting to press return.


Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

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~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104946
From: mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie)
Subject: Re: Flashing anyone?

In <1993Apr15.123539.2228@news.columbia.edu> rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro) writes:

>Hello all,

>On my bike I have hazard lights (both front and back turn signals
>flash).  Since I live in NJ and commute to NYC there are a number of
>tolls one must pay on route.  Just before arriving at a toll booth I
>switch the hazards on.  I do thisto warn other motorists that I will
>be taking longer than the 2 1/2 seconds to make the transaction.
>Taking gloves off, getting money out of coin changer/pocket, making
>transaction, putting gloves back on takes a little more time than the
>average cager takes to make the same transaction of paying the toll.
>I also notice that when I do this cagers tend to get the message and
>usually go to another booth.

>My question, is this a good/bad thing to do?

>Any others tend to do the same?

>Just curious

>o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>
>    Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
>    1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
>    DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)

Beleive it or not:  NY state once considered eliminating tolls for motor-
cycles based simply on the fact that motos clog up toll booths.  But then
Mario realized the foolishness of trading a few hundred K $`s a year for
some relief in traffic congestion.

Too bad he won`t take that Sumpreme Court Justice job - I thought we might
be rid of him forever.
--
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Xerox Corporation, Rochester, NY (USA)
"Reaching consensus in a group often
 is confused with finding the right answer."  -- Norman Maier

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104947
From: edw@boi.hp.com (Edward Walsh)
Subject: Guzzi 850-T tires, plus fairing question




I have a question about tires for my Guzzi. It is a '75 850-T. The tires that
were on it when I just bought it are old and cracked. I do not have an
owners manual for it (yet), but the tires listed in the Haynes manual are:
Front, 3,50 H 18 ; Rear 4.10 H 18, and pressures recommended are 26 front and
33 rear. Oddly, the pressure for the same tire on the T-3 is listed at 29 psi
instead. Anyone know the reason? As I know though, the pressure I should run
at is that recommended by the manufacturer of the new tires I purchase.

The real question I have is this. The old tires that are on the bike are for
the front, a Metzler Touring Special, 4.10 H 18, and for the rear an Avon
Roadrunner 4.70 H 18, (120/90) H 18 as marked on each tire. Both are larger
than that listed in the Haynes Manual. What does the owners manual recommend,
and was it common to go up one size for this bike? Also, this will be my first
motorcycle with innertubes. Any comments on the various manufacturers inner
tube qualities?

The above sizes are inches (except for the additional mark on the current
rear tire). What is the best metric match? The local BMW dealer thought
100/90 H 18 on the front and 120/90 H 18 on the back. He also happens to be
very good at getting close to matching mail order prices.

I am thinking of going with a Metzler ME33 Laser (possibly Comp K) on the
front and ME88 on the back, both in MBS variety if possible (the longer 
lasting belting system). I already use the ME33 on both the Vision and
FJ for the front, and like it, and I thought that with the shaft drive
behavior and torque from the Guzzi that the ME88 might give more predictable
back end control and sliding behavior than a ME55 might, as well as giving
much better tire milage life. Any comments?

A friend told me he thought that my bike had Boranni rims which are very
good, but are relatively soft and have delicate sidewalls. I do not wish to
mount the tires myself this first time, so aside from warning the shop to be
careful, any other comments I should make? I havn't looked at the rim to
check out the make yet, if it is marked. He just told me late yesterday and
I havn't had a chance to check the rim type.

On another note. I will remove the ugly (but in good shape....anyone want it?)
Vetter fairing, and I will run without a windscreen for a while, but eventually
I would like a simple rounded cafe' style quarter fairing for it. It could be
fork/handlebar mounted. Any suggestions? Is there such a thing as a frame
mounted quarter fairing of the cafe' style for this bike? How about lower
bars/clip-ons for it? I would like to restore the bike into a good condition
runner with a few modern updates, but while not being historically exactly
accurate still have it reflect relatively well a representation of the cafe'
style. (Yes I know to be picky, that period really predates this bike....it is
just that this bike has such potential for _that_ look.)

-----------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
                             edw@boi.hp.com  Disk Memory Division, MS475
                             (208)323-2174   P.O. Box 15  Boise,Idaho 83707
                             89FJ1200;82XZ550RJ(Vision);75Guzzi850-T;DoD#98

-----------------------------Edward Walsh----Hewlett-Packard Company-------
                             edw@boi.hp.com  Disk Memory Division, MS475
                             (208)396-2174   P.O. Box 15  Boise,Idaho 83707
                             89FJ1200;82XZ550RJ(Vision);75Guzzi850-T;DoD#98

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104948
From: carter@ecf.toronto.edu (CARTER EDWARD A)
Subject: Re: SQUIDS and Dealers 

In article <C5vxH8.Auv@cbnewsl.cb.att.com> kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell) writes:
[stuff chopped]
>Here is the part that concerned me. The "HG" and those shop personel that were
>not busy with customers went back out, where said "HG" members fired up their
>rides and did the obligatory reving up of those 600 beasts. At this point,
>one decided to see how much rubber  a Katana 600 could deposit in the drive.
>
>SQUIDS, I thought to myself. BUT I was appalled that the salesdroids/manager
>not only condoned this behavior, but encourged it, to the point were they
>were betting how long he could keep it up and egged him on to pull a wheely
>as he rode off onto a busy street around rush hour. THe girl that was riding pillion on another bike, seemed rather hormonal about this display, and urged her
>"pilot" to quickly catch up. The others followed, making sure there Kerkers
>could be heard as well as felt.

Um, you gotta understand these "salesdroids" as you call them.  They look at
it this way: burn lotsa tire; make lotsa money.  I'm sure s/ he knew how
stupid the "HG" was.  Would you seriously stop them from burning off 
a seasons worth of tire??  The SQUIDS probably would buy Metzelers or some
good low profile tire anyhow...

Yep.  Them droids sure a sneaky bastards! ;)

Regards, Ted.

---
University of Toronto Computer Engineering               
PowerUsersGroupChairman
'89 FZR600: I'm taking a ride with my best friend.                  DoD#:886699

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104949
From: carter@ecf.toronto.edu (CARTER EDWARD A)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
>but I've never actually done it.

Oh yeah, all the time.  On a nice spring/summer day, I roll down the window
and drive around looking for bikes.  When a bike motors by in the opposite
direction, I stick my arm out and hi5'em.  My arm feels like a million 
bucks when I'm doing this a 60km/h.  I do the same thing with cyclists.
The only problem with hi5ing a cyclist is their always in the right hand lane.
I hafta roll down the other window and hi5 them on the back.  Oh well, I 
think they appreciate the thought. 

Regards, Ted.

---
University of Toronto Computer Engineering               
PowerUsersGroupChairman
'89 FZR600: I'm taking a ride with my best friend.                  DoD#:886699


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104950
From: ESV@psuvm.psu.edu
Subject: Re: First bike: Honda Ascot?

In article <3658@contex.contex.com>, frank@marvin.contex.com (Frank Perdicaro)
says:
>
>The FT is fun, I wanted to buy one.  But I waited 10 years an bought
>a Hawk instead.  Friends, owners of the former cycle shop on 125 in
>Andover, bought one new, but several years old.  Cost him $995.
>You should not pay too much for one.
>
>I hear they can be fitted with the front end of a 500cc Interceptor,
>and thus have great brakes.  Sounds like fun.  Some dude on this
>forum has one thats all tricked out.
>
>Second Hand Bike warns that they are fine up until 40,000 miles.

The FT-500 is a good beginner's bike with:
  *  a reasonable seating position
  *  enough power to get you up and around, but
       not so much it'll scare the bejeebers out of you
  *  tips over well, and easy to pick up
       (don't ask)
  *  simple maintenance

I've had mine for four or so years, and haven't had any
serious problems with it.  I bought it used for $750 with
about 8000 miles on it.

Just last week, someone in the neighborhood stopped by to
ask me about it; whether I thought it was a good beginner's
bike, is it comfortable and powerful enough, blah blah blah...
Seems he found one used for < $500 with about 3600 miles on it.

The reall "trick" mod I've heard was to take the front end from
a 600 hurricane and slide it in.  This was from a guy who
campaigns two Ascots in SOS racing.  He says they do pretty
well too, once you strip off the starter, lights and other
assorted street paraphernalia, its a pretty fast and light bike.

Andrew Coll       ESV@PSUVM.BITNET
                  ESV@PSUVM.PSU.EDU

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104951
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein) writes:

>In article <mjs.735489679@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>>if I'm riding I would far sooner have the pillion hanging on to the bike,
>>rather than me, because I find that their weight can cause *me* to move,
>>and that can upset the balance of the bike. Most of the pillions I see 
>>over here hold the grabrail. The really good ones don't hang on to anything
>>unless violent acceleration is taking place.

>Hmmmmn...don't you ride with your sweetheart?

Only in my dreams....

:-(


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104952
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies 

Hey Nick!  I got a bounce from postmaster@bnr.ca, it seems that they've never 
heard of a user 'npet'.  You should sort these guys out.


Tony

+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104953
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies 

In article <1993Apr23.164901.13892@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:

>  When did *you* go out and change the laws of physics? :-)  According to some
>numbers I used to see bandied around, shaft drive is on the order of 95-97%
>efficient, while chain drive is closer to 99%...   Seems to me that this makes
>*chain* drive more efficient, hmmmmm???
>

Well maintained chains, running in oil, without those little rubber 'O' rings 
to cause frictional losses, might reach 99% efficiency.  The average open to 
the dust 'O' ring motorcycle chain probably has a difficult job making 90% 
efficient.


Tony

+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104954
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!! 

In article <1r941o$3tu@menudo.uh.edu> inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:

>bike.  Luckily the guy stops a foot behind my rear wheel.
>
>I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
>really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?
>

Anybody who drove into somebody like that in this country would hopefully 
lose their licence.  However, the avoidance is simple.  Don't stop behind the 
cage. stop beside it, or better still, in front of it, so that it acts as a 
buffer.


Tony


+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104955
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!! 

Why do you let such brain dead idiots drive in the US?


Tony

+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104956
From: dwarner@sceng.ub.com (Dave Warner)
Subject: Sabbatical (and future flames)

So, I begin my 6 week sabbatical in about 15 minutes.  Six wonderful weeks
of riding, and no phones or email.

I won't have any way to check mail (or setup a vacation agent, no sh*t!), 
though I can dial in and get newsfeed, (dont ask), so if there are any 
outstanding CFC's or such things,please try my compuserve address:

72517.3356@compuserve.com

Anybody wants to do some WEEKDAY rides around the BA, send me a mail
to above or post here.

I'll be thinking about all of you stuck if front of your
terminals......"Sheeyaahhh, and monkeys might fly out of my butt..."
ride safe,
dave



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                           Sense AIN'T common....

Dave Warner                          Opinions unlikely to be shared
AMA 687955/HOG 0588773/DoD 870	     by my employer or anyone else
dwarner@sceng.ub.com                 _Signature on file_     
dwarner@milo.ub.com                  72517.3356@compuserve.com   
'93 FXSTS                            '71 T120 (Stolen)

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104957
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Boom! Dog attack!

In article <Clarke.5.734991574@bdrc.bd.com>, Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) writes:
|> final trajectory. Too bad it didn't notice the car approaching at 50+mph 
    ....
|> from the other direction.
|> 
|> I got a closeup view of the our poor canine friend's noggin careening off 
|> the front bumper, smacking the asphalt, and getting runover by the front 
|> tire. It managed a pretty good yelp, just before impact. (peripheral 
|> imminent doom?) I guess the driver didn't see me or they probably would have 
|> swerved into my lane. The squeegeed pup actually got up and headed back 
|> home, but I haven't seen it since. 
|> 

Same thing to me.  Everyday the same dog would chase my bicycle.
The owners thought it was cute.  Even after I got the moto,
the stupid dog would do the same thing.  Then one day, I was
coming home in the opposite lane...the fluff with teeth ran to
get me and played momentum sharing with a 73 Dodge pick.
The owners tried to blame me for driving down street when I did.
I lived in a wierd town.


=============================================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington|BellNorthernResearch Ottawa,Ont,Canada| Dod:9733=
= Seca 400->Seca 400->RZ350->Seca750->Suzuki550->Seca650turbo->V65Sabre     =
= (-> 1994 GTS1000 ...can't afford the '93) |  mbeaving@bnr.ca              =
= Parking spaces? We don't need no steenkin' parking spaces!                =
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104958
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (M Beavington)
Subject: Re: Insurance and lotsa points...

In article <13386@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> Well, it looks like I'm F*cked for insurance.
|> 
|> I had a DWI in 91 and for the beemer, as a rec.
|> vehicle, it'll cost me almost $1200 bucks to insure/year.
|> 
|> Now what do I do?
|> 

Go bikeless.  You drink and drive, you pay. No smiley.


Mike Beavington
mbeaving@bnr.ca
*opinions are my own and not my companies'.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104959
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <13394@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
|> Apparently that last post was a little hasy, since I
|> called around to more places and got quotes for less
|> than 600 and 425.  Liability only, of course.
|> 
|> Plus, one palced will give me C7C for my car + liab on the bike for
|> only 1350 total, which ain't bad at all.
|> 
|> So I won't go with the first place I called, that's
|> fer sure.
|> 

Nevertheless, DWI is F*ckin serious.  Hope you've got some 
brains now.

Mike Beavington
mbeaving@bnr.ca
* these opinions are my own and not my companies'.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104960
From: ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant)
Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impac


In a previous article, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) says:

>In article sda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturdevant) writes:

>  The only people who train for years to jump a horse 2 feet
>are equistrian posers who wear velvet tails and useless helmets.
>

	Which, as it turns out, is just about everybody that's serious about
horses. What a bunch of weenie fashion nerds. And the helmets suck. I'm wearing
my Shoei mountain bike helmet - fuck em.>>>


>>	Or I'm permanently injured.
>
>Oops.  too late.
>

	Nah, I can still walk unaided.



-- 
Go fast. Take chances.

	Mike S.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104961
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Do Splitfires Help Spagthorpe Diesels ?

In article <C5JF22.DJr@news.cso.uiuc.edu> wcd82671@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (daniel warren c) writes:
>Earlier, I was reading on the net about using Splitfire plugs.  One
>guy was thinking about it and almost everybody shot him to hell.  Well,
>I saw one think that someone said about "Show me a team that used Split-
>fires...."  Well, here's some additional insight and some theories
>about splitfire plugs and how they boost us as oppossed to cages.
>
>Splitfires were originally made to burn fuel more efficiently and
>increased power for the 4x4 cages.  Well, for these guys, splitfires
>
>Now I don't know about all of this (and I'm trying to catch up with
>somebody about it now), but Splitfires should help twins more than

Splitfires work mainly by providing a more-or-less unshrouded spark to the
combustion chamber. If an engine's cylinder head design can benefit from this,
then the splitfires will yield a slight performance increase, most noticeably
in lower rpm range torque. Splitfires didn't do diddly-squat for my 1992 GMC
pickup (4.3l V6) but do give a noticeable performance boost in my 1991 Harley
Sportster 1200 and my best friend's 1986 Sportster 883. Folks I know who've
tried them in 1340 Evo motors can't tell any performance boost over plain
plugs (which is interesting since the XLH and big twin EVO combustion chambers
are pretty much the same shape, just different sizes). Two of my friends who
have shovelhead Harleys swear by the splitfires but if I had a shovelhead,
I'd dual-plug it instead since they respond well enough to dual plugs to make
the machine work and extra ignition system worth the expense (plus they look
really cool with a spark plug on each side of each head)
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
	      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104962
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Definition of "two up"?

>   So following that logic could you describe "Two down" 
>as the transition period between "Two Up" and "coming to
>rest after a High or low side" ? Otherwise it sounds pretty
>good. :-)
>-- 
>Richard Pierson E06584 vnet: [908] 699-6063

Or perhaps it's referring to the wife and child sitting
in the sidecar next to the one-up on the
moto?

:)

Anyone ever heard of a game called oneup-onedown?

(it's a drinking game, for all you older folx...:)



-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104963
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: RIM NEEDED

In article <1993Apr14.210922.20916@news.columbia.edu> twang@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Tony Wang) writes:
>In article <13177@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante)writes:
>>In article <1993Apr13.122643.3180@walter.bellcore.com> pgoudas@gomer.bellcore.com (Paul Goudas) writes:
>>>	Also, is there a law or something that requires NYC to keep it's
>>			 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>street empty of potholes greater than a certain depth?  I (rather my bike) 
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>>HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHA WHAHwuhuhahuah!!!!
>>
>>That's a good one!!  Really, stop!  I can't breathe!!
>
>	Bite your tongue. Those of us who ACTUALLY RIDE in NYC on a
>daily basis could not live without those Potholes. It'll ruin the
>flavor. It's not enough just to dodge taxis, buses, pedistrians,
>bicycle messengers, and BDI's on a block by block basis. Those
>potholes always makes for that sudden randomness that makes it all so
>much fun. Besides, where else can you think of that allows you to
>constantly test your panic braking, shocks, and dirt-riding abilities
>all on city streets. You smooth asphalt canyon carvers don't know what
>you're missing.
>
>8-)........
>
I was laughing about the law part.

I've driven thru SOHO...manahattan, _I_ know what' you're talking 'bout...

:^)

Not that Durham, NC is any better...

(well, maybe a little bit anyway, but the NC DOT takes more
money from road taxes and puts it in their own pockets and
into the pockets of the guys building the large condos that
need their own roads than they do back into fixing roads, but
hey, the local paper did a report of this last summer, and 
boy, am I glad I don't work for the DOT, 'cause they got SHAT
on, bigtime....wonder who lost their jobs?  ED?  Got any idea?)


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104964
From: Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Please tell me they're not permenant scratches!

Is there a way to wax out a dull finish (minor scrathes)?  While
"passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
rid of these?  Buff them out?  Wax them out?
help!

Thanks in advance
Cathy
**********************************************************                   
Cathy Saum ............................cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu                 
1252 S. Negley Ave.#2................'82 Yamaha  SECA XJ650                 
Pgh, PA 15217................'73 CL450 (custom wooden tank)                 
Studio:............................'64 1/2 Mustang (351 V8)                 
(412)521-0363......DoD # supercalifragilisticexpealidotious                 
***********************************************************                   


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104965
From: rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker)
Subject: Re: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

joe, i'm sorry you felt i was pissing on your list.  no disparagement
was intended and i would be most interested to know what i said that
made you feel that way.  i am not suggesting that your list is
superflous nor that it will not serve a need.  i just would like not
to see the boxer contingent split, but there is certainly enough net
for more than one list.
-- 
-- bob pasker
-- rbp@netcom.com
--

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104966
From: eerik@iastate.edu (Eerik J. Villberg)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:

>	Ok, hold on a second and clarify something for me:

>	What does "DWI" stand for ? I thought it was "DUI" for Driving Under
>Influence, so here what does W stand for ?

>	   JNM

Here in Iowa it is/has been OWI (operating under the influence) and OMVI
(operating motor vehicle under the influence).  They (gov't) changed it to
OMVI so that people in motor boats could also be charged with drunk driving. 
-- 
Eerik J. Villberg                     **  P people for the
eerik@iastate.edu                     **  E eating of
4208 Harris Street                    **  T tasty
Ames Ia  50010                        **  A animals

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104967
From: jgoss@gaia.torolab.ibm.com (Jeff Goss)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

In article <1993Apr23.215123.23789@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:


> In article <1r941o$3tu@menudo.uh.edu> inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:
> >another to the list but with this one I felt the most helpless.  I am sitting
> >at a light about 1 - 2 car lengths behind a car, a wise decsion.  Suddenly I 
> >hear screeching tires.  I dart my eyes to my mirrors and realize it's the 
> >moroon flying up right behind me, in my panic I pop my clutch and stall the
> >bike.  Luckily the guy stops a foot behind my rear wheel.
> >
> >I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
> >really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?
> 
Another tip is to make sure you keep well to one side of the lane. This gives
you a quicker escape route.

Jeff Goss

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104968
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <C5w18w.DpD@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
>Charles Sundheim (csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu) wrote:
>: Folks,
>
>: I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.

	How 'bout "Big Faus and Little Halsey" with Robert
	Redford and that little guy that was in Bonnie & Clyde.

	Good flick, IMHO.

				Michael
-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104969
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) wrote:
> 
> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
> >hello there
> >can anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
> >comment on its handling .
> 
> 
>    Some guy came to the OMRRA race school last weekend with number plates
>    on his V-Max.  He didn't get more than 2 practice laps in before he pushed
>    the frame too hard and it drove him into the guard rail on the back
>    straight.
> 
>    Portland International Raceway is now 2-for-2 on V-Max'es.
> 
>    V-Max - handling?  Ferget it.
> 
>    BTW:  The rider was conscious and semi-coherent when the ambulance
>    carted him off.  That's all I know.

I hate to pick on someone who may have been seriously injured (let's hope
not), but: semi-coherent sounds like a good description of someone who
shows up at the track w/ a VMax in the first place:-{

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104970
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: Live Free, but Quietly, or Die

egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) wrote:
> 
> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
> > egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:
> >> I know it sounds ludicrous for a biker to advocate restrictions on
> >> biking in a biking forum,
> >
> >Don't you mean "former motorcyclist?"
> 
> No.

Hmmmmmmmmm. I can read this one of two ways:

1) Ed gotabike.
2) Motorcyclist is like alcoholic. (once you're an alcoholic, you're always
an
                                    alcoholic - at least that's what
friends in
                                    a position to know tell me)

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104971
From: tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi)
Subject: Re: BMW Boxer TV ad!!

karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) wrote:
> 
> mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
> >
> >Did anyone see the TV ad for the new BMW boxer on U.K. television
> >at the weekend??
> 
> Not me--since I have no reception and no cable, I'm not likely to see
> any ads.  And if I did they'd most likely be have been taped in the US
> anyway.

Yeh. Be tough to pick up UK Telly in your situation:-}

No signs of Type 259 ads in TV in the states yet, but I don't watch much,
so I'm not in a real position to comment.

BUT! I got my invite to the dealer introduction "On the deck out back".
RSVP is on the way!!!!!!

                  tom coradeschi <+> tcora@pica.army.mil
 
   "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea -- massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind-
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it."
                                                    --gene spafford, 1992

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104972
From: ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones)
Subject: Yamaha Locks (was Cobra Lock)

Has anyone any experience with the (new?) Yamaha Cyclelok ?

It looks like it uses the same hardened steel as a Kryptonite U lock,
but unlike a U lock, it is hinged in 5 places and opens out to a large
rectangle (longer length than any U lock I have seen, plus it folds down
to real small), so you could lock the rear tire to a steel post for example.

I was curious as to how well the jointed sections would stand up to attack ?

tony
--
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104973
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax (and mail-order)

In article <1993Apr21.160012.12989@dsd.es.com> bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.130512.147@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>>In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>>>I bought it, I tried it:
>>>It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>>>My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>
>>I'd try it on the VFR, but goddamn Competition Accessories hasn't mailed my
>>order yet.  Hell, it's only been two weeks and I was ordering some pretty
>>bizzare stuff.  Like a clear RF-200 face sheild, and a can of Chain Wax...
>>Bastards.
>
>For what it's worth, I got my can in three days from Chaparral. That's
>UPS ground from CA to UT, YMMV. The stuff seems to work, and it doesn't
>attract grundge like PJ-1 Blue does. I gave it the acid test, a full
>day's worth of breaking in the Quadracer's new paddle tires down at the
>sand dunes. If there's anything wet & stickey it will be coated with
>sand at the end of the day, but the chain looked pretty clean.

	I'll third the recommendation as Miracle Spooge.

	Don't go to the dealer to get it or what happened to me might happen
to you:  you put a deposit on a new bike.

Sigh,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104974
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks

In article <1993Apr21.105043.22848@hemlock.cray.com> ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:
>Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago (doc@webrider.central.sun.com) wrote:
>: I was posting to Alt.locksmithing about the best methods for securing 
>: a motorcycle.  I got several responses referring to the Cobra Lock
>: (described below).  Has anyone come across a store carrying this lock
>: in the Chicago area?
>: 
>: Any other feedback from someone who has used this?
>
>What about the new Yamaha "Cyclelok" ?

	It is far from new.  It's been around almost as long as dirt.

>From the photo in Motorcyclist, it looks the same hardened steel as a 
>Kryptonite U lock, except it folds in five places.
>It seems to extend out far enough to lock the rear tire to the tube of
>a parking sign or similar.
>
>Anyone had any experience with them, how easy is it to attack the lock
>at the jointed sections ?

	I had one for one of my old bikes.  Worked fine.  I'm sure, being
rigid and nonflexible, that the "Cyclelok" would yield instantly to the freeze
and break routine.

	But then, for $40, what do ya want?

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104975
From: sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Matthew Sheppard)
Subject: Help me adjust my tappits

Well, just got all the parts replaced that needed replced
(sprokets+chain) and notice that engine still taps like it did before.
All our local 'experts' say it's the tappits that need some adjusting so
I am soon to attempt that.  I would like any advice anyone had.  I do
not have a shop manual but have read about the procedure in Chiltons and
in a few other places.  Is there anything I need to be particularaly
carful of?  Any problems anyone else has encountered?

I ride a 1981 Yamaha Exciter 250cc (stop laughing, it's tiny, but it's
shiny)

--
| Matthew Sheppard  CLARKSON UNIVERSITY  sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu |
| I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.ANoN |
| I don't want a pickle. DoD#477 TEP#477 RIDE FREE (8^]..etcetera..    |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104976
From: SRUHL@MECHANICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Stefan Ruhl)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

Just one little thing. Last year, mid-december, a cop pulled me over. It 
was about -10 Centigrade, and it just started snowing (O.K. you are right, I 
live in Canada). The cop checked my license, insurance, ownership, looked at 
my frozen nose and fingers, told me to watch the speed limit more closely, 
and, entering his cruiser, told me, I was doing 68 instead of 50 km/h. 
Didn't ticket me, and I REALLY slowed down after that ( I already mentioned 
it started to snow. )

        Safe riding, Stefan.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
Stefan Ruhl 
german exchange student. 
...  come out on a Honda, 
if you can get it running. 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104977
From: wallich@NCD.COM (Ken Wallich)
Subject: Re: Aerostitch:  1- or 2-piece?

In article <1993Apr14.144015.18175@vax5.cit.cornell.edu> na4@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
%
%   Request for opinions:	
%
%   Which is better - a one-piece Aerostitch or a two-piece Aerostitch?
%


Like most everyone else, I ended up getting two different sizes for
the top and bottom.  My top is a 46L and the bottom is a 48L.  For the
bottom, the waist is far too large, but the thighs fit just right (the
46 had a better waist, but cut off the circulation in my legs, I have
large, muscular thighs, and no, I didn't use the thighmaster to get
them :-).  The jacket fits me ok in the chest, slightly snug at the
waist, and too small in the arms.  I can't imagine finding a one-piece
size that would have fit correctly, as even the 2 piece has it's
problems (strange, since my V-Pilot jacket fits great all over, and
when I tried the matching pants, they fit like a glove as well).

I can only assume the models Aero Design uses to design its suits are
in some way different from us real folks.

Also, even though it's related to convienience, you look pretty damn
wierd walking around with the tops and bottoms while running errands.
I've gotten some really suspicious looks, and sweated a lot while in a
store wearing the whole suit, since you can't fit the top and bottom
in any motorcycle storage device yet devised (except the trunk in my
sidecar rig :-).  With the two piece, I unzip the pants (I generally
leave the two pieces zipped together, primarily because the pants fall
down unless I pull the cheesy elastic belt-type band real tight),
stuff them in one of my spacious BMW saddlebags (the pants just fit),
and run errands just wearing the jacket.  Actually, if I know I'll be
running errands, I just wear my V-Pilot jacket, but that's just me...

As far as crash protection, I'd say that both suits are probably
equal.  It seems that for weather protection, if anything the 2 piece
provides a little more because of the jacket overlapping the pants by
3 inches.  The 2 piece is probably a little less comfortable around
the waist, just because of the extra layer of stuff, but maybe not.

So I'd have to vote for the two piece.  Despite the slightly odd fit,
I still find the suit the most versatile piece of riding clothing I
own.  Wouldn't go long distance without it.

Ken Wallich <wallich@ncd.com> 
ken@wallich.com ~ kmw@al.org ~ [...]decwrl!vixie!amber!ken
--
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104978
From: martind@rintintin.Colorado.EDU (Dan Martin)
Subject: Re: Touring the southwest

kim@fatcity.cts.com (Kim Sharpe) writes:
>A few of us are touring Sothwest Utah in mid June to see the Canyons.\
>Do any of you have some helpful hints on where to stay or
>things to see/do/avoid.  Plans are to see Bryce, Zion, Arches.
>Is the Grand close at that point or is an additional trip required?
>Any help would be nice.  Thank you for your support.

Spring break, I went through the four corners area and back.  The most
beautiful stop I made was in Utah at the Needles Overlook.  Though this
is a bit further east than where you appear to be going, I highly
recommend it.  IMHO it is far more beautiful than the Grand Canyon.  It
was not well marked, but was one of few paved roads off of US191 (I was
heading north from Monticello).  In order to get to the right place, I
should clarify that it is the Needles OVERLOOK, and not the recreation
area.  Heading north from Monticello, it is the second turnoff, and may
have been marked as the Anticline Overlook.  Anticline overlook is
about 20 (dirt, if this matters to you) miles past the Needles
overlook.  The road out to the overlook is paved and reasonably
maintained (I ran it about 70mph).

Looking out from the overlook was like being God and looking down on 
the world.  If it isn't too far out of your way, you should see it.


Dan Martin         |     "I can't stand this proliferation of paperwork.
martind@spot       |      Its useless to fight the forms.
                   |
                   |      You've got to kill the people producing them."
.colorado.edu      |           -Vladimir P. Kabaidze, Soviet Plant manager


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104979
From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: How to buy a first bike, etc.

bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca writes:

> There have been a *lot* of posts lately about "I wanna buy my first bike - is
> GSXR/ZX/CBR/FZR a good bike to learn on?" etc.
> 
> I think I'm going to put together a FAQ on buying a new bike. Ravi used to po
> one all the time.
> -- 
> Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
>                    e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Make that buying a *first* bike- a new bike is not generally a good first
bike...


--
Dean Woodward         | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com  |   It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920        |              -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104980
From: joe@rider.cactus.org (Joe Senner)
Subject: Re: A Kinder, Gentler BMW Mailing List

rbp@netcom.com (Bob Pasker) writes:
]joe, i'm sorry you felt i was pissing on your list.  no disparagement
]was intended and i would be most interested to know what i said that
]made you feel that way.  

you didn't, I meant 'pissing' like boxer owners 'piss' on K bike owners
and K bike owners 'piss' on boxer owners and so forth. in the end it's
nothing more than co-owner ribbing. no disparagement was received or 
returned intentionally, sorry 'bout the lack of :-)'s.

-- 
Joe Senner                                                joe@rider.cactus.org
BMW Mailing List                                          bmw@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List                            ride@rider.cactus.org

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104981
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!! 

In article <735663225snz@morgan.demon.co.uk> tony@morgan.demon.co.uk writes:
>Why do you let such brain dead idiots drive in the US?

Because, unlike the UK, passing the average driving test over here
usually only requires a pulse & a single digit IQ. Every state controls
their own licensing requirements, so it's possible that there's a test
out there that actually requires some driving skills, but I doubt it.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104982
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax (and mail-order)

In article <1993Apr21.160012.12989@dsd.es.com> bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.130512.147@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>>I'd try it on the VFR, but goddamn Competition Accessories hasn't mailed my
>>order yet.  Hell, it's only been two weeks and I was ordering some pretty
>>bizzare stuff.  Like a clear RF-200 face sheild, and a can of Chain Wax...
>>Bastards.
>
>For what it's worth, I got my can in three days from Chaparral. That's
>UPS ground from CA to UT, YMMV. The stuff seems to work, and it doesn't

I just called them and they said the order went out on the 13th.  They're
putting a UPS tracer on it.  Watch, it'll be waiting for me at home
tonight. :-)

Dean

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| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104983
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <1r3pbu$k35@sixgun.East.Sun.COM> egreen@east.sun.com writes:
>
>Driving While Impared.  It allows for prosecution of drivers under the
>influence of a variety of drugs.
>
It's a shame there's no law against Driving While Stupid.  After a little
while it would prevent all kinds of accidents.

Dean
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| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104984
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Touring the southwest

In article <907F3B3w164w@fatcity.cts.com> kim@fatcity.cts.com (Kim Sharpe) writes:
>A few of us are touring Sothwest Utah in mid June to see the Canyons.\
>Do any of you have some helpful hints on where to stay or
>things to see/do/avoid.  Plans are to see Bryce, Zion, Arches.
>Is the Grand close at that point or is an additional trip required?

Well, it's closer to Bryce than Bryce is to Arches. I'd spend a lot
of time studying the maps, there's a lot of "you can't get there from
here" in that area. You might want to hit the Grand Canyon on the way
up from California, loop around to Canyonlands/Moab/Arches, and then
back down towards Bryce & Zion on the way home.

Make sure you ride US 12 between Capitol Reef and Bryce, it's been on a
number of "top 10 roads" lists.


A nice booklet detailing a lot of interesting paved (Byways) and unpaved
(Backways) roads can be ordered from the Utah Travel Council. I think
you can also get a state map from them just for asking.

Utah Byways and Backways
$4.00 (US)

Utah Travel Council
Council Hall
Capitol Hill
Salt Lake City, UT 84114

(801) 583-1030
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104985
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies 

In article <735660736snz@morgan.demon.co.uk> tony@morgan.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <1993Apr23.164901.13892@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>
>>  When did *you* go out and change the laws of physics? :-)  According to some
>>numbers I used to see bandied around, shaft drive is on the order of 95-97%
>>efficient, while chain drive is closer to 99%...   Seems to me that this makes
>>*chain* drive more efficient, hmmmmm???
>
>Well maintained chains, running in oil, without those little rubber 'O' rings 
>to cause frictional losses, might reach 99% efficiency.  The average open to 
>the dust 'O' ring motorcycle chain probably has a difficult job making 90% 
>efficient.

How about some sources for all these numbers? Or is this more stuff that
"everybody knows"?
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104986
From: cbrooks@ms.uky.edu (Clayton Brooks)
Subject: Re: Changing sprocket ratios (79 Honda CB750)

karish@gondwana.Stanford.EDU (Chuck Karish) writes:

>That's a twin-cam, right?  

Yep...I think it's the only CB750 with a 630 chain.
After 14 years, it's finally stretching into the "replace" zone.

>Honda 750s don't have the widest of power bands.

<Sigh> I know .... I know.
-- 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104987
From: eerik@iastate.edu (Eerik J. Villberg)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In <Stafford-200493103434@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:

>>>>>> On 19 Apr 93 21:48:42 GMT, xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu said:
>>  Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

>	Yes, but the _rear_ wheel comes off the ground, not the front.
> See, it just HOPS into the air!  Figure.

   I know the roads up there in Minnesota are pretty bad, but I doubt that
they are THAT bad.  I've never realy tried to watch my back tyre but, my 82
Maxim 750 will pull the front wheel off the ground if I pop the clutch.
Admittedly, it is easier with someone on back, maybe that's what keeps the
rear tyre down.  ;-)
  
>====================================================
>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
>                    All standard disclaimers apply.
-- 
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eerik@iastate.edu                     **  E eating of
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104988
From: ae219rh@prism.gatech.EDU (Ray Hixon)
Subject: Re: V-max handling request

In article <tcora-210493093955@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:
>jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls) wrote:
>> 
>> ba7116326@ntuvax.ntu.ac.sg writes:
>> >hello there
>> >can anyone who has handson experience on riding the Yamaha v-max, pls kindly
>> >comment on its handling .
>> (Vmax racing horror story deleted) 
>>    Portland International Raceway is now 2-for-2 on V-Max'es.
>> 
>>    V-Max - handling?  Ferget it.

Actually, a WERA racer, William Lumsden, considered running a Vmax in 
A Superstock.  He took it out to Talladega GPR for a practice day, and
_really_ annoyed the 600 riders -- they usually got caught behind a 
sideways Vmax in the corners, and if they passed him going in, he'd
blow by down the straight (usually wobbling).  Needless to say, since
he was 2 seconds faster on a 1977 CB400F, he decided against the Vmax.

Too bad.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
Ray Hixon
WERA #623 Expert
a Single-minded guy


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104989
From: CGKarras@world.std.com (Christopher G Karras)
Subject: Re: Help me adjust my tappits

sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Matthew Sheppard) writes:

>All our local 'experts' say it's the tappits that need some adjusting so
>I am soon to attempt that.  I would like any advice anyone had. 

If this is the same as adjusting the shims between cam and valve, I have
the same question.  Do you buy a FULL set of shims before starting the
adjustment process, or do you calculate the shims you need and then run
off to the dealer in the cage to see if the right shims are in stock? 
Obviously the latter would be cheaper (what do shims cost?), but are
measurements of the shim need reliable enough to buy only the indicated shims?

Chris
-- 
*******************************************************************
Christopher G. Karras
Internet:    CGKarras@world.std.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104990
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: DoD Confessional

In article <1993Apr21.053721.551@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>I can't help myself.
>I've tried to be rational, 
>to look the other way,
>but everytime it happens, 
>its uncontrollable.
>
>I hate pre'80s motorcycles.

Hah.  Newbie bait.  Everyone knows the first motorcycle
wasn't built until 1893 - there _were_ no pre-'80's motorcycles!

>At first I thought it was a phase.  I though I would
>get used to them.  It didn't happen.  I tried gazing
>at CB750s and 900 customs, but each time I sadistically
>pictured them being hurled off of large precipice
>(I also picture a swarm of german tourists cheering and
>taking holiday snaps, but I can't figure that part out).

You've been watching too much Northern Exposure.

>What am I to do?  Everytime I read a .sig containing 
>some spoked wheel wonder, I shudder and feel pity that
>the poor soul has suffered enough.

Why?  Because our wheels are repairable?

> I imagine the owner
>scrapping out his (or her) living in a discarded Maytag
>refridgerator box, tucked in next to their CX500.

Humph.  Obviously, more bait.  Everyone knows you don't discard
Maytag boxes.  Even after they've become uninhabitable, they're
make a great poor boy's mechanic's creeper.

CX500?  Whazzat?

>I'm hoping for some deliverance.

Okay.  Let's hear you squeal like a pig.

> I had in the past loathed
>the Milwaukee machine, but I can actually begin to understand
>some of the preaching.  There must be hope. 

Beware fanatical preaching, lest the residents of Waco, Texas set up
a huge salad bar in your honor...
-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104991
From: jeq@lachman.com (Jonathan E. Quist)
Subject: Re: MOA members, another letter to read!

In article <1993Apr21.152413.24023@ra.msstate.edu> vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
>O.K. MOA'ers, You read it, think for yourself, I trust you do know who
>Cecil King is, and that he was Editor befor Don Douglass, and he is
>a pres. candidate.  I let you draw your own conclusions.

I don't know who either is, but I think I see your problem.

You've got Cecil King and Don Douglass.  What you need is Don King
and Cecil Adams.


Or maybe Rodney King and Beanie & Cecil?


-- 
Jonathan E. Quist        jeq@lachman.com       Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep"                 Naperville, IL
 __       There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
 \/                   followed by the words "Daddy!  Yay!"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 104999
From: doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis SE Southwest Chicago)
Subject: Black Reflector Tape?

A few months ago, in one the the motorcycle mags, there was
an article that mentioned reflector tape that was supposed to
be available thru BMW.  The idea was that the tape would look
black in sunlight, and reflect in other colors at night to
headlights.  It sounded like a nice way to add nighttime 
visibility without turning the bike into a carnival attraction.

I talked to the local BMW dealer about this.  I was told that the 
only thing he had heard about this kind of reflector, was it being 
used in a coming line of BMW clothing (rainsuits).  He wasn't aware 
of anything regarding self applied tape.

Has anyone come across this from BMW or any other source?

Thanks,

---
Steve Bunis,  Sun Microsystems     ***DoD #0795***	93-ST1100
              Itasca, IL	  ***AMA #682049***	78-KZ650


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105000
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)

xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
: Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
: 

	Yes. 

 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                  AFM #422                              DoD #683 

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours  *  1990 Ninja 250 
       
      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105001
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <24590@drutx.ATT.COM> pms@torreys.att.com (Paul M. Smith) writes:
>In article <RMUGELE.93Apr21062229@oasun1.oracle.com> rmugele@oracle.com (Robert Mugele) writes:
>>
>>I've tried unsuccessfully to locate a place that sells Maxima Chain
>>Wax in the Dallas area.  Does anyone know of a retail outlet for it in
>>this area or a mail order purveyor anywhere?
In the Dallas area, I just bought a can (it's for my best friend's bike... a
1986 XLH883, mines got a belt hahahahaha!!!) for $6.79 ($7.35 with tax) at
Bates Discount Cycle Parts on the southbound I-35E service road in Farmers
Branch just a couple miles north of the I-635/I-35E interchange. They have
about a dozen cans left.

-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
	      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105002
From: jgoss@gaia.torolab.ibm.com (Jeff Goss)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

In article <1993Apr21.163118.29571@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:

<Stuff deleted>
> 
>    Questions to ask a typical cop:
> =====================================
> 
> A]  In regards to pulling over someone of a MINOR moving violation
>     (rolling stop, unsignaled lane change, 10ish mph over speed limit,etc.):

MINOR? You put unsignalled lane change in a MINOR category? Now I know
who these guys are...

Jeff Goss

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105008
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <735660736snz@morgan.demon.co.uk>, tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson) writes:
> 
> Well maintained chains, running in oil, without those little rubber 'O' rings 
> to cause frictional losses, might reach 99% efficiency.  The average open to 
> the dust 'O' ring motorcycle chain probably has a difficult job making 90% 
> efficient.

So of the 120 hp produced by my FJ1100 engine, 

      12 hp  * (745.7 watts)/1 hp = 8.948 kilowatts 

is being dumped into 220 leetle tiny o-rings?  That's 40.67 watts per
o-ring!  Seems a little *hot*, doncha think?

:-O
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105009
From: mellon@ncd.com (Ted Lemon)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion


>One of the reasons I originally liked my current guythingy so much was
>becase he had a BMW. :)

Sigh.   That's music to my ears, after all the complaining Lois did
about the seat on my BMW...

>The best passengers are those which are unobtrusive.  Echo the movements
>and lean of your rider.  Look over the shoulder thats most comfortable,
>but during turns look over the shoulder on the inside of the turn.

I've found that the phrase "sack of potatoes" works pretty well in
describing to a passenger how s/he should act.

>Switch your hands to the guardrail to stretch your shoulders, but be 
>sure and squeeze your thighs while you're doing it so your rider knows you're
>still there. :)  The guard rail isn't as safe as holding onto your rider.

On a long ride with my ex-girlfriend Nancy, I would notice her
drifting off every so often (we were droning down highway 101 to LA).
I probably wouldn't have been aware of this if she hadn't been in the
habit of squeezing my butt with her knees to hold on.   Good advice.

			       _MelloN_
--
mellon@ncd.com						uunet!lupine!mellon
Member of the League for Programming Freedom.   To find out how software
patents may cost you your right to program, contact lpf@uunet.uu.net

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105010
From: mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington)
Subject: Re: Yamaha Locks (was Cobra Lock)

In article <1993Apr21.152327.7651@hemlock.cray.com>, ant@palm21.cray.com (Tony Jones) writes:
|> Has anyone any experience with the (new?) Yamaha Cyclelok ?

Oooo,I hope it's nothing like I had on my Seca turbo.
I had locked up the back wheel and forgot about it.
When I took off I heard a 'clunk', but I just drove away
leaving the lock broken on the ground.  Real security
in action.

-- 
===================================================
= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
===================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105011
From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Subject: Re: Help me adjust my tappits

Christopher G Karras (CGKarras@world.std.com) wrote:
& 
& If this is the same as adjusting the shims between cam and valve, I have
& the same question.  Do you buy a FULL set of shims before starting the
& adjustment process, or do you calculate the shims you need and then run
& off to the dealer in the cage to see if the right shims are in stock? 
& Obviously the latter would be cheaper (what do shims cost?), but are
& measurements of the shim need reliable enough to buy only the indicated shims?

Only buy what you need.  It would cost a lot to buy a full set, and
you won't ever use most of them.  I have had good luck with the
calculation method.  I have never had to change more than one size
increment at a time (I never needed a change larger than the next
size up/down, usually down).  They cost a few $ each for a Yamaha.

--
Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@sad.hp.com    (707) 794-4168 work,
Hewlett Packard             (707) 794-3844 fax,  (707) 538-3693 home
1212 Valley House Drive     IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG, LAW, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105012
From: jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <222834@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com> maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> 
> Waving at other bikers makes more sense than just "Hey, how's it going, 
>nice to meet you on the road, have a good ride"
> 
> 2) It keeps you in the habit of watching really carefully for bikes when 
>you're IN a cage. This is a Good Thing. 

Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
but I've never actually done it.

I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
     got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
                         ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada

Let's see how many posts it takes for someone to selectively quote this article

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105022
From: cassidy@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <arturo.735339956@infmx> arturo@informix.com (Arturo Vega) writes:
>
>Has anyone else ever caught themselves waving at oncoming motorcycle riders
>while in a car?
>
ha! if i'm not on my bike, it's because its _broken_ and i'm _walkin_. (
really the way it should be)

--
kyle cassidy
cassidy@rowan.edu	"fire all of your guns at once!"
DoD #760

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105023
From: cassidy@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <csundh30.735325668@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:
>
>I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.
>
man, every time this thread comes up, i start jumping up and down screaming '
EASY WHEELS! EASY WHEELS!' but to date, it seems like _i'm_ the only one who'
s ever seen this. it's absolutely hysterical. basic plot is this:

reporter searching for a ring of babysnatchers is blow off the road by a (
very hot) gang of babe bikers in leather. he is rescued from his wrecked car 
in the desert by a xtian gospal biker band lead by an ex viet-nam vet with a 
steel plate in his head that gives him visions from time to time. they soon 
discover that the gang 'o babes is kidnapping children to be raised by 
wolves (the reasoning behind this is complex), and they set out to stop them 
and restore justice and order to the world.

it is one of the 5 funniest movies i have ever seen in my life.

--
kyle cassidy
cassidy@rowan.edu	"fire all of your guns at once!"
DoD #760

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105039
From: aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr)
Subject: Re: Female (40's) looking for riding buddy!


In a previous article, deb90@ccc.amdahl.com (David E Ben-Jamin) says:

>
>I am a single, white female in 40s, looking for a
>man with a motorcycle to share fun
>trips from 1 to 6 days (or more).
>
>I have a Honda Magna 700 and riding is my LIFE but
>it's hard to find people to ride with. 
>
>This is my son's account, so please respond to this
>address for more info.
>(phone number, etc.)
>
>Thanks!
>
>-- 
>
>
>I don't need a .sig.
>
You don't mention your riding area.  If you're in the Eastern part
of Ontario Canada, I may be able to help.  I love 1 day runs and
more.  More info needed.
-- 
 Lloyd        | '86 XV1100 ---- My Stallion... DoD # - 814
  Carr        |       : aa963@freenet.carleton.ca
   Munster    | E-Mail: carr@uranus.dgrc.doc.ca
     Ontario  | Ham ip: ve3fhc@ve3osq.#eon.on.ca.na

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105043
From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <1993Apr23.163805.9516@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>
>	Spray the chain wax onto the rollers and sideplates occassionally, and
>rust will not be a problem.

	I did.  Regularly.  And it was.

				Michael

-- 
+-------------------------------------------------------------+
| Michael Nelson                                1993 CBR900RR |
| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com                 Dod #0735 |
+-------------------------------------------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105044
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: I NEED YOUR ADVICE! (I'm a new rider)

>Any information that ANY of you could give me would be greatly
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^      ^^^                               ^^^^^^^
>appreciated!!!!  Just send the reply to my account, or if you'd like,
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>back to the net.  
>Chris Melching
>
>00CJMELCHING@LEO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU

My vivid imagination sez this is almost close enuff.

$mail_to 00cjmelching@leo.bsuvc.bsu.edu /users/neal/dod/faq.dod

but...... naw!!!

-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
	      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105045
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <13790@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>In article <C5wDuw.L1o@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil> dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small) writes:
>>In article <13608@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:

[stuff deleted]

Oh my, a REAL honest-to-goodness flamewar fired up here..... and it even has
some relevance to motorcycling. Amazing.
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
	      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105046
From: arun@ece.scarolina.edu (Arun Vadlamani)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

	What about GREASE II?????

	Arun.
	Cool Rider.

--
	Noe there's a look in your eyes,
	Like black holes in the sky.
	Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105047
From: wfk@lynx.spa.umn.edu (Bill Ketzeback)
Subject: Re: Yamaha Locks (was Cobra Lock)

Any lock including the Kyptonite utypes are EASY to break into if the person has
the proper supplies and/or motivation. 3 minutes and your bike is gone!
I would be glad to explain but I dont want to contribute to any unlawful
activities. Especially since I have a bike that I would hate to see ripped off
by such a trival tactic. WARNING NO lock alone is a safe deterent against theft,
the thief doesnt need to be a locksmith or a lock-picker to walk away with your
property!  I personally think motion alarms in combination to a lock
of this type is the way to go if in fact you are that concerned.

Bill


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105048
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

mbeaving@bnr.ca (Michael Beavington) writes:

>The down side is that when I'm in my cage, I have on numerous occasions
>slammed my hand into the rolled up window in an effort to wave at
>a passing biker.  Ow.

Shouldn't this be in the DWI thread?

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105049
From: bd@fluent@dartmouth.EDU (Brice Dowaliby)
Subject: Re: dogs

heathman@ncsa.uiuc.edu (Michael Heathman) writes:

>	Professionals who train guard dogs, when polled, gave themselves a
>1 in 4 chance of survival tackling a trained dog unarmed.  A trained guard
>dog is not to be trifled with.  An untrained mutt may be another story.

Of course *they'd* say that.  They're trying to sell their services.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105050
From: v058l789@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (I AM the Nighthawk)
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <1993Apr21.185741.15458@colorado.edu>, laszlo@eclipse.cs.colorado.edu (Laszlo Nemeth) writes...
>In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) writes:
>|> 
>|> Various posts about shafties can't do wheelies:
>|> 
>|> >: > No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
>|> >: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
>|> >: > off the ground
>|> >
>|> >Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my
>|> >BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and
>|> >you know what? He was right!
>|> 
>|> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
>|> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!
> 
>you may have been able to bounce the front up but not
>actually do a "wheelie". see the shaft effect unloads
>the rear susspension and effectivly loads the front.
>this is why a shaft bike should accelerate if it starts
>scraping in a corner......
> 
> 
>laz

	Sorry to be contradictory, but... I've had my Nighthawk at 45 degress
with the horizon and I wasn't banked over in a turn...  
	The hard part is getting the front in off the ground.  I rev to about 
7,000 at DROP the clutch.   Even harder is keeping it from coming up to far--
I use the back brake as well as the throttle.  Once its up, it'll wheelie just
like any other bike.      

					Ethan
+==============================================================================+
| Ethan Bowerman    		DoD# 682                1983 CB650SC Nighthawk |
|    -- "Hey... who cuts yer' hair man?"    __ "Nothing clears the mind quite  |
|			-- Cheech and Chong     like a maxed out tach and a    |
|    -- "A closed mouth contains no feet."      buried speedometer."	       |
|			-- Unknown				-- Me	       |
+==============================================================================+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105051
From: ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <jnmoyne-190493111630@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>
>	What does "DWI" stand for ? 

Dancing With Idjits.



-- 
Ray Shea    		 "they wound like a very effective method."
UniSQL, Inc.		                                 --Leah
unisql!ray@cs.utexas.edu                   some days i miss d. boon real bad. 
DoD #0372 : Team Twinkie : '88 Hawk GT     

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105052
From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: Bike advice


Ummm...did you have any bikes other than that KX80? If not, I'd suggest you 
look for an '89 ZX-7, since they only have about 90 horsepower, whereas the
'90 has over 100 and might be a bit much for you...

Sincerely,
Nathaniel

ZX-10 
DoD 0812
AMA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105053
From: rwalls@twg.com (Roger Walls)
Subject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for MC B

In article <5967@prcrs.prc.com> terry@prcrs.prc.com (Terry Cunningham) writes:
>In article <1993Apr12.223911.11008@rtsg.mot.com>, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>> 
>> Oh, banning motorcycles is not *actually* reasonable.  It is only
>> reasonable in the eyes of a misinformed and misunderstanding public.
>> 
>> Or, conversely, your attitude could seem blind and apathetic.
>> 
>
>I know of no law, either on the books or proposed, that bans motorcycles
>from any place that i want to go to.
>

Motorcycles are not allowed on th 17 mile drive at pebble Beach.

			Jolly Roger



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105054
From: jrwaters@eos.ncsu.edu (JACK ROGERS WATERS)
Subject: Re: "Cagers"  who thunk of it?

In article <1993Apr24.014245.1@cua.edu> 84wendel@cua.edu writes:
>	Who gets credit for the perfectly descriptive name "cagers"?  Also does
>anybody know when the term was first used.
>					Thanks
>
I do.
Yesterday.

Seriously, Countess Ada of Lovelace gets the credit.  She first used
it in the late 80s.  Her bike:  the spokeless wonder.


Jack Waters II
DoD#1919

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~ I don't fear the thief in the night.  Its the one that comes in the  ~
~ afternoon, when I'm still asleep, that I worry about.                ~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105060
From: maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer)
Subject: Assorted Ranting


 
 Grr. Hate the bastard who picked the weather for today.
 
 Went up to visit a friend overnight (about 45 minute ride).. rode up after 
work, only minor drizzing for the last 5 minutes of the ride... rest of the 
ride was very zen.
 
 Got up this morning, needed to go home and get some disks & stuff to work 
on her computers with, rainy as all hell. Soaked and cold by the time I got 
home.
 
 Since I didn't have another set of thermals which were dry, I said "to heck 
with it" and drove my cage back up.
 
 Lo and Behold, those funny blue clouds were up in the sky and this warm 
yellow thing I haven't seen in quite awhile showed up when I was 10 minutes 
into the trip.
 
 And me in my cage. Oh JOY.
 
 
 Happily, my right hand mirror finally showed up at the dealer (dropped the 
bike when I first got it, put on an EMGO replacement mirror... hated it the 
entire time that thing was on my bike because I couldn't see a DAMNED thing 
through it, plus it's flat instead of convex like the stock mirrors, so you 
get a NARROW ANGLE wobbly blur)... And I got a replacement windshield for my 
fairing (dropped the original and chipped the front edge... cosmetic but 
annoying)... so I spent half an hour happily unscrewing things and replacing 
them this afternoon.
 
 'Bout the only thing I still hate about the bike ('75 CB360T) is the damned 
"2 D-Cell Flashlight" headlight.
 
 Has anyone seen a good source for ~25 watt halogen passing lights? Since 
the charging system on the CB360T can't handle continuous use of a 50W 
halogen headlight, I was thinking about putting a couple passing lights 
on... that would give me ~70w of lighting for the rare night riding I do, 
but wouldn't drain the battery during "normal use" (chiefly day trips and 
commuting to work and back)... 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105061
From: leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (Mike Terry) asks:
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) replies:
>No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
>of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
>off the ground.

Ugh!  Who gave you guys your login names?  Blech  |^P

John obviously never saw me ride a buddy's CX500, known as "Torque Monster."
I could pull the most beautiful skyshots with that bike!  Unfortunately, the
owner saw me do one.  Once.  I never get to ride TM again...  ;^(

Mr. Bill
-- 
+ Bill Leavitt, #224 +   '82 CBX "White Lightning", '82 GS850G "Suzibago"   +
+ leavitt@cs.umd.edu + '76 CJ360 "Little Honda", '68 Lone Star "Sick Leave" +
+  DoD AMA ICOA NIA  + '69 Impala convertible "The Incredible Hulk", others +
+ "Hmmm, I thought bore and stroke *was* the technique!" Michael Bain, #757 +

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105062
From: rye@mahogany209.cray.com (James K. Rye)
Subject: Re: where to put your helmet


In article <1993Apr21.195738.2403@rd.hydro.on.ca>, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
> In article <10498.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
> >
> >Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). 
> 
> This dents and dings the liner, sometimes quite a bit.
> 
> I've        bike                      like       | Jody Levine  DoD #275 kV
>      got a       you can        if you      -PF  | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
>                          ride it                 | Toronto, Ontario, Canada


It also works great to put under your kickstand on those really hot
days when the tar gets really soft.....


================================================================================
                        
Jim "rags" Rye                    Senior Technical Support Analyst
86 Harley Davidson                     rye@crayamid.cray.com
                                    Cray Research Inc, Mpls, MN.

"If you're going to do something tonight that you'll be sorry for 
 tomorrow morning, sleep late."
              -Henny Youngman

My opinions are mine and only mine, but for a small fee you may rent them.



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105063
From: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

C'mon you guys.  
Motorcycles & booze don't mix. 
Nuff said.
-- 
Bruce Clarke       B.C. Environment
                   e-mail: bclarke@galaxy.gov.bc.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105064
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <1993Apr19.013752.22843@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>         On a completely different tack, what was the eventual outcome of
> Babe vs. the Bad-Mouthed Biker?

I thought I posted this last year.

The women came to court with three witnesses; the two women that were in
the car and one neighbor that heard me shouting.  My lawyer didn't like
the odds since there were multiple complaints both ways and the judge had
a history of finding everyone guilty of at least something, so he convinced
us (she came without a lawyer) to drop everything.  The net result was
a $500 laywer bill for me and $35 court costs for her.

The only consolation was that she had trouble scraping together the $35
while $500 is not quite one week's beer money for me...

- Roid

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105065
From: shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <C5qqxp.IE1@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com>, hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS) writes:
> >duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each
>        ^^^^^^
>     excuse me for being an ignoramus, but what are these.

edu-breaths with more riceburner than brain...

- Roid

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105066
From: viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:

>Some potentially cool story stuff here... Do share the details.

	HOW TO GET A VERBAL WARNING FOR 146 IN A 55

It's simple.  First, it has to be the first really nice riding day
of spring.  The bike is back together again, and so are you.  Grab
all your gear, put it on, and fill the tank with 94 octane premium
or better.  Head out.

	In Ames, there is a road that leads to the little town of
Gilbert.  Gilbert has one stop light, if that tells you something.
Having just gotten the bike back together, I thought I'd take it
for a short ride and check things out.  Heading out of town, I
went into the twisties at a slow pace, just under the speed limit,
and started leaning around.  The pace quickened as everything felt
just right.  Finally, the road straightened and I was ready for a
bit of speed.  Grab third gear, open her up.  At roughly 90mph
grab fourth gear.  Look at as much of the bike as you can, and fail
to notice a state trooper following a quarter mile behind.  Twist
the throttle like a fool, grab fifth gear at 130 or so, and see
just how well she's been put back together.

	At 146 (according to radar) I noticed the front fender was
flexing a bit.  Thus, I slowed, pulled off the road, removed my
helmet and gloves, unslung the took kit I was carrying in a fanny
pack, and was just starting to tighten that fender when the trooper
pulled in all hot and flustered.

	"Have you *ANY* idea how fast you were going?"
"Not precisely, no.  I was paying attention to the bike and road,
not the instruments.  I just got her back together last night, and
I'm just out here testing her out before I ride it in traffic."
	"My radar says you were at over 145mph.  Care to tell me why
I shouldn't give you a ticket?"
"Because I was testing the motorcycle away from population and
traffic, on a strait and flat road, while wearing all the protective
gear that safety demands?" (note: I wasn't quite that eloquent)
	"Say, what kind of bike is that, anyway?"
<I was eloquent on my cafe racer replica Honda 750, a Rat Bike>
	"Yeah, I haven't had my bike out of the garage in years."
<compare riding stories>
<pack toolkit, having tightened that fender>
	"So why were you out here?"
"I figure every other idiot on the road is going to look right through
me.  If the bike fails somehow in a 35mph zone, I'm dead.  If it holds
up out here, then I know it will work right in traffic.  I do this
evvery year when I rebuild her."
	"Not any more.  You'll find a better place than *my* highway
to do those speeds.  If I *ever* catch you speeding on my highway
again I'm going to nail you for everything I possibly can.  Now get
out of my sight before I write you a ticket."
"Yes, officer."
	"And kid, keep your eyes open out there..." <drives off>

	And that, in a nut-shell, is how to get a warning for 146 in a 55.
I don't guarantee that it will work for you, but it worked for me.

< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
<  ISU only censors what I read, not what I say.  Don't blame them.  >
<     USENET: Post to exotic, distant machines.  Meet exciting,      >
<                 unusual people.  And flame them.                   >

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105067
From: v058l789@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (I AM the Nighthawk)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

>Course, the only people who seem to be acting smug now probably have chain
>final drive (which, as we all know, is less efficient and has higher 
} maintenance) and probably didn't know the answer at the start of the thread.
> 
>Anyway, I have Laz's solemn assurance that he/she/it was serious with the 'only
>paralevers can pull "true" wheelies' assertion, whatever the hell that means.
> 
>Doug Rinckes   drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp   New Zealand TSSC Ltd
>1976 BMW R100S           1960 BMW R60            1940 Indian 741A       

	Uh, Doug, I don't know what school of thought your from, but chain 
drive are MUCH more efficient than shafties.  End of story.  Period.
	But I will give you that shafties are much less maintenance intensive...


						Ethan

+==============================================================================+
| Ethan Bowerman    		DoD# 682                1983 CB650SC Nighthawk |
|    -- "Hey... who cuts yer' hair man?"    __ "Nothing clears the mind quite  |
|			-- Cheech and Chong     like a maxed out tach and a    |
|    -- "A closed mouth contains no feet."      buried speedometer."	       |
|			-- Unknown				-- Me	       |
+==============================================================================+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105069
From: dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

In article <1993Apr20.203344.8417@cs.cornell.edu> karr@cs.cornell.edu (David Karr) writes:
>In article <Clarke.6.735328328@bdrc.bd.com> Clarke@bdrc.bd.com (Richard Clarke) writes:
>>So how do I steer when my hands aren't on the bars? (Open Budweiser in left 
>>hand, Camel cigarette in the right, no feet allowed.) 
>
>>If I lean, and the 
>>bike turns, am I countersteering?
>
>No, the bars would turn only *toward* the direction of turn in
>no-hands steering.

Just in case the original poster was looking for a serious answer,
I'll supply one.

Yes, even when steering no hands you do something quite similar
to countersteering.  Basically to turn left, you to a quick wiggle
of the bike to the right first, causing a counteracting lean to
occur to the left.  It is a lot more difficult to do on a motorcycle
than a bicycle though, because of the extra weight.  (Ok, so my
motorcycle is heavy.  Maybe yous isn't.)

-David

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105077
From: ron@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Ron Miller)
Subject: Re: MOTORCYCLE DETAILING TIP #18

Re: Rubbing Compound....


You mean Meguire's* didn't work?



* THE DOD magic elixir of choice for plastic stuff


Ron Miller
DoD 693

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105078
From: patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us wrote:
> I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
> This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
> (read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
> fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).
 
> This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
> of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?

My fiancee' and I do quite a bit of sporty riding 2-up.  I'll tell you 
what we've found and the systems we've worked out.

- On starts, accelerate MUCH slower than usual.  It's tough for the rider
to judge how scary fast acceleration is, because we're holding onto something
and leaning forward.  Remember this.

- On turns, have her lean forward and at the same angle as you (normally 
this means she isn't leaning at all.)  It's very disconcerting to be leaned
over and have your passenger leaning so that they're sitting straight up.
Much balance is lost and this can be dangerous.

- On slowing and stopping, do so MUCH slower than usual.  Again, it's tough 
for the rider to judge how scary fast deceleration is, because we're holding 
onto something and leaning forward.  However, you'll figure it out fast
because braking too fast will shove the passenger forward into you, which 
shoves you into the tank at an inopportune location.

- Generally, have the passenger keep her knees against you and the bike, not 
out wide.  This helps balance and gives her somegrip.

- When you passenger is in fear, she will squeeze her knees against you.
Normally this means "slow down, and do it now!".  


> turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional
> signals for SLOW DOWN!! or GO FASTER!! or I HAFTA GO PEE!! etc.???

We only have a couple signals.  "Slow down" is her either tapping me on 
the back, or slapping my helmet with all her might.  Depends on the urgency
of the matter :-)

"Turn here" is done by her pointing in the direction of an exit.  This is
also the sign for "cool!  Look at that."  "I hafta pee" is the same sign
as "turn here".  "I'm hungry" is the same sign.  "Go faster" is usually
done by her jumping up and down on her pegs in glee.  I usually see "slow
down" more often than "go faster".
 
> I really want this to be a positive experience for us both, mainly so that
> she'll want to go with me again, so any help will be appreciated...

The best thing to do before the ride is to talk to a riding buddy, and 
pillion on his or her bike.  It's incredibly frustrating, because you're 
in almost no control.  Now, multiply that feeling times ten, because
you as a rider know what your bike will do, and your passenger will likely
feel you're about to scrape hard parts all the time, or lock up the brakes
at any moment, or go careening off the edge of a volcanic mountain, etc.  
Pillioning yourself is good training to take somebody on your pillion pad.

Also, remember that it's much more draining and tiring to ride 2-up
than by yourself, because you're concentrating on much more, and
"in the Zen of the moment" less.  Remember this.

----------------------------------------------------
   Pat Loughery [patlo@microsoft.com] Seattle, WA
	 DoD #393, AMA, VME, DIOC, 1KSI=2.53
 '91 VFR750F, '91 Nighthawk 750, '82 Seca 650 Turbo
		^^^ For Sale
----------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105079
From: cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <C5t759.DsC@well.sf.ca.us> rwert@well.sf.ca.us (Bob Wert) writes:
}I need some advice on having someone ride pillion with me on my 750 Ninja.
}This will be the the first time I've taken anyone for an extended ride
}(read: farther than around the block  :-).  We'll be riding some twisty, 
}fairly bumpy roads (the Mines Road-Mt.Hamilton Loop for you SF Bay Areans).

Unless she is really adventurous, do NOT take her on this route for her
first extended ride! That's kinda like taking someone on a no-show 10-way
speed star competition as their first skydive.

}This person is <100 lbs. and fairly small, so I don't see weight as too much
}of a problem, but what sort of of advice should I give her before we go?
}I want her to hold onto me  :-)   rather than the grab rail out back, and
}I've heard that she should look over my shoulder in the direction we're
}turning so she leans *with* me, but what else?  Are there traditional

1) If the Ninja has adjustable suspension, adjust it to a stiffer
setting so you don't bottom out in bumpy curves.

2) Tell her the 3 cardinal rules are:

a) NEVER EVER EVER EVER put her feet down. Not when you stop at a STOP
sign, not when she thinks you're gonna crash, never. Keep them on the
pegs until you tell her to get off the bike.

b) She is to hold onto your waist. She should hold on tightly enough
that she won't slide off the bike if you twist the throttle a bit. And
(added bonus for you here), she should keep as close to your butt as
possible so quick stops don't make her slide into you and knock your
balls up onto the gas tank. You decide how best to word this.

c) Just stay perpendicular to the bike; straight up in the seat. Don't
lean your body into curves, just go with the bike and stay perpendicular.
Don't look over your shoulder.*

3) Remember at all times that you have a passenger on the back. That
means don't pop the clutch, and try to corner and stop smoother than
usual. Be aware that if you jump on the brake, you're going to have
the equivalent of a 100 lb. dead weight crashing into you from behind,
so be prepared for that.

4) Make sure she pisses before the ride even if she says she doesn't
have to go. No anti-women stuff here; I have a tiny bladder myself.

5) Remind her to look around while you're riding. Point to things
of interest. It makes the ride more enjoyable to her (she won't get
so focused on just looking at the back of your helmet), and it gives
her ample excuse to squeeze you to show she saw what you pointed at.

* My wife and I tried the MSF-recommended "look over the rider's
shoulder in curves" bit, and it just didn't work. The timing of
her weight shift was unpredictable (especially on the Maxim because,
unlike the Ninja, the upright riding position really restricts the
pillion's view of the road ahead). Next time I had her just remain
perpendicular to the bike, and I could hardly tell there was someone
else on the bike in curves, and she weighs substantially over 100 lbs.
-- 
Curtis Jackson	   cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com	'91 Hawk GT	'81 Maxim 650
DoD#0721 KotB  '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright"  '92 Collie/Golden "George"
"There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
 in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105094
From: Mike Mychalkiw <ACAD8059@RyeVm.Ryerson.Ca>
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks

Greetings netters,

Steve writes ... <about Cobra Locks>

Well I have the mother of all locks. On Friday the 16th of April I took
possesion of a 12' Cobra Links lock, 1" diameter. This was a special order.

I weighs a lot. I had to carry it home and it was digging into my shoulder
after about two blocks.

I have currently a Kryptonite Rock Lock through the front wheel, a HD
padlock for the steering lock, a Master padlock to lock the cover to two
front spokes, and the Cobra Links through the rear swing arm and around a
post in an underground parking garage.

Next Friday the 30th I have an appointment to have an alarm installed on
me bike.

When I travel the Cobra Links and the cover and padlock stay at home.

By the way. I also removed the plastic mesh that is on the Cobra Links
and encased the lock from end to end using bicycle inner tubes (two of
them) I got the from bicycle dealer that sold me the Cobra Links. The
guys were really great and didn't mark up the price of the lock much
and the inner tubes were free.

Later.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1992 FXSTC                            Rock 'N Roll Mike Mychalkiw
HOG                                   Ryerson Polytechnical Institute -
DoD #665 Just THIS side of HELL.      Academic Computing Information Centre
doh #0000000667 Just the OTHER side.  EMAIL : ACAD8059@RYEVM.RYERSON.CA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105095
From: exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au
Subject: extraordinary footpeg engineering

Okay DoD'ers, here's a goddamn mystery for ya !

Today I was turning a 90 degree corner just like on any other day, but there
was a slight difference-  a rough spot right in my path caused the suspension
to compress in mid corner and some part of the bike hit the ground with a very
tangible "thunk".  I pulled over at first opportunity to sus out the damage. 
My bike is a Kawasaki GPX250R with footpegs that are hinged and sprung such
that they fold upward and backward on contact with ground etc., and on the
lower extreme corner of each peg there is mounted a "bank-follower", or a
little stud that theoretically is the first bit to hit the ground in a
100%-banked turn.  The stud is mounted on the footpeg by a threaded bit about 7
mm long, which screws into a threaded hole in the footpeg.  Now for the
mystery.

The stud on the side of the bike that clunked when I turned was absent.  I'm
fairly sure it was there before the event.  There was no damage to the end of
the footpeg where the stud would ordinarily have been.  In fact, the thread in
the hole in the footpeg was perfectly intact, with no evidence of something
having been forcefully ripped out of it only moments previously.  

Okay all you engineering types, how the f**k do you explain this ?  How can you
rip a tightly fitting steel thread out of a threaded hole (in alloy) without
damaging the thread in the hole ?  Is this some sort of hi-tech design thingo
that Kawasaki never mentioned, like that the end of the footpeg suddenly
changes phase on impact, to let the stud rip out, then changes back to a solid
?  I'm quite amazed at how this could have happened.  In the meantime, life
goes on, without a left-hand bank-follower.

Barry Manor DoD# 620 confused accidental peg-scraper

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105096
From: s851708@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (John Edmond Auckett)
Subject: Re: Dogs vs. Bikes

Dogs will chase anything that moves. I have two dogs and they love
chasing me when I ride off. They will also chase any car that passes
, running along the footpath/sidewalk at up to 60kph. They don't
seem to go after trucks though, the size difference must be a factor.

It also works in my favour though, I can exercise them quite easily
by riding 1/2 mile up the road and back a few times. 


JA (s851708@minyos.rmit.oz.au)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105097
From: lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Jonathan R. Lusky)
Subject: Kawasaki ZX-6 engine needed

I'm looking for a 1990-91 Kawasaki ZX-6 engine.  Just the engine,
no intake, exhaust, ignition, etc.  Preferably in the central texas
area, but we haven't had much luck around here so we'll take whatever we
can get.  Please reply via mail or call (512) 471-5399 if you have one
(or more...  really need a spare).

Thanx

-- 
--=< Jonathan Lusky ----- lusky@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu >=-- 
    \ "Turbos are nice, but I'd rather be blown!" /
     \    89 Jeep Wrangler - 258/for sale!       / 
      \        79 Rx-7 - 12A/Holley 4bbl        / 
       \________67 Camaro RS - 350/4spd________/ 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105098
From: dmunroe@vcd.hp.com (Ha Li)
Subject: Re: Bonding with a Caged Cop?

> akelley@oracle.uucp (Alyn Kelley) writes:

>But as he drove past me, he actually turned all the way around in his
>car seat to see if I had noticed.  I nodded to him, and smiled.
>I can't for the life of me figure out why he was so friendly.

It's the DoD license plate frame; cops really like 'em.  Either that, or
he mistook you for one of his friends, possibly an off-duty cop.

-Dave

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	"I need your clothes, your boots, and your motorcycle"

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105099
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES


Knight Riders has got to be one of the silliest
movies I've ever seen.

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105100
From: howland@noc2.arc.nasa.gov (Curt Howland)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <1993Apr21.194547.2266@rd.hydro.on.ca>, 
jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:

|> Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
|> but I've never actually done it.

I did it once with a biker-girlfriend in the
car, and she told me that I was stupid, the
rider wouldn't know why I was waving.

...She's long gone...

|> Let's see how many posts it takes for someone to selectively quote this article

One.

---
Curt Howland "Ace"       DoD#0663       EFF#569
howland@nsipo.nasa.gov            '82 V45 Sabre
     Meddle not in the afairs of Wizards,
 for it makes them soggy and hard to re-light.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105101
From: erika@znext.cts.com (erik astrup)
Subject: Re: What octane ?

jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
: 	How do you know what kind of gas to buy ? Depending on the compression
: ratio of your engine I heard. Ok, but what kind of gas goes for what kind
: of compression.
: 
: 	I'm asking this because I used to put 87 in my Hawk GT and the other day,
: I changed because I wanted to see if there was a difference. And I don't
: know if I'm being subjective or what, but it seems like the bike runs
: better !
: 
	Run your bike on the lowest octane that it will run smoothly on. 
Higher octane fuel is not "better" than lower octane gas. Pick up the last 
American Roadracing magazine. There's a short article in there about 
octane and the misconceptions many people make about the subject. Look at
your owners manual. I believe it states 87 is just fine. 

 ==============================================================================
  Erik Astrup                  AFM #422                              DoD #683 

  1993 CBR 900RR  *  1990 CBR 600  *  1990 Concours  *  1990 Ninja 250 
       
      "This one goes to eleven" - Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar, Spinal Tap
 ==============================================================================




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105102
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Subject: Re: Bra... bra... brazing  (Was: For JOHS@dhhalden.no... )

Old Nick (the little devil!) wibbles:-
%
% Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Another newbie bites the dust, eh?  They'll learn.
%
   Newbie?  Eh?  Slap yer' credentials  on the table, Pete.  That'll  show
   him!

%
% I'm terribly sorry.
%
   And so you damned well should  be...  young whipper-snapper!  It's  wet
   kippers at ten paces if there's any repeat of this sort of thing!

   Now, in keeping with the  grand tradition of wreck.moto, let's  mutate!
   Take your partners by the hand...

   On Tuesday morning I spent a couple of hours (when I -should- have been
   working) with a  torch, brazing bits  of scrap metal  over the  biggest
   holes in  Yamadog's exhaust  pipes (s'mazin'  what you  can do  with  a
   couple of AA  cells and a  three-volt bulb!).   I stuck some  "gun-gum"
   into the smaller holes and bunged the pipes back onto the bike.

   So, last night  I'm on the  way home  when lo' an'  bloody behold,  the
   sodding thing starts  blowing again.   I check  it out and  the gas  is
   escaping from around  the clamp holding  the number two  pipe into  the
   port.  As far as I can see (it being somewhat "hole of Calcutta" at the
   time!), the nuts are still there  (stop that bloody sniggering, you  at
   the back!), but the pipe is a bit loose.

   This morning  I go  out to  the bike  and pull  out the  socket-set  to
   tighten up me' nuts (somebody give that  spotty kid at the back a  good
   slap  round  the  back  of  the  head!),  and  lo'  an'  bloody  behold
   a-bloody-gen, I find that the outer skin of the pipe has separated from
   the inner sleeve right at the clamp-mating bevel.  So, I stuff in a bit
   of baked-beanz can and a bit more of Mr Holts' very best "gun-gum"  and
   come to work (late again!) so that I  can ask of the oracle...  Will  a
   brazed joint hold that close to the exhaust port?  Anybody tried it?

   Oh, and if anybody can tell me  what the differences are between a  205
   and a  207  brazing  rod (made  by  "Gaz"  [Yup!   the  camping  folks.
   Surprised the marmalade outa' me, too!] in that place just off the Isle
   of Wight) I'd be eternally  grateful (twenty-sodding-quid for two  rods
   and I don't even know what I'm buying.  Bloody kanji!).

-- 
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105103
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted

In article <1993Apr21.205306.3033@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>The Nelson Rigg bag has 5, and the side ones can be used or not, depending
>on the load. Using just the three is super convenient, and the extra two are
>great for carrying beer concentrate, bricks or reports written by overpaid 
>consultants.

	Quit keeping us in suspense:  who sells this remarkable bag?

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105104
From: jtrascap@nyx.cs.du.edu (Jim Trascapoulos)
Subject: 1982 Yamaha XJ550H Maxim for sale (Denver area)


(message posted by/for roomate)

Bike is in good condition, is black, has 23000 miles, mag wheels, 

front disk, rear drum, good front tire, new back tire, o-ring chain,

new battery, new starter and has that laid back look.  Bike runs

real strong with all four carbs giving their best.  Buyer gets a 

cover (all weather, lockable & heatproof), tank bag (non-magnetic - 

can't take disks along otherwise!), cargo net & manual.  Bike has

origional tool kit & matching Yamaha lock.



Asking $1700 or Best Offer.  I would like to sell this soon, so please

CALL (voice!)(ack!) with any questions!

John Silvia in (303) area - (home) 238-8281   (work) 296-7744


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105105
From: vlj@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Victor Johnson)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

In rec.motorcycles, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

> In article <C5sK1D.C1p@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
> }Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
> 
> So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT.
> -- 

  That's because they took the old VT 500 engine and stepped on it to make
  the plant for the Hawk -> "New Twin".  Or does that only fly for Microsoft
  NT (New Technology)?

  I've been at this too long today ...

  Cheers,
  Victor "Dances with Hawks" Johnson
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105106
From: jld@hpfcso.FC.HP.COM (Jeff Deeney)
Subject: Re: Re: First Bike?? and Wheelies

In rec.motorcycles, speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer) writes:

> Buy an old 250cc dirt bike.  Find a vacant field (get owners permission) and 
> learn the basics.  
...
> When your done sell or trash the bike and move to the street.

Speedy, you've got this all wrong.  When you're done, buy a better dirt
bike, body armor, decent boots, and forget about the weenie street riding.
:-) 

-Jeff Deeney-  DoD#0498    NCTR                '88 XR600-Shamu 
jld@hpfcla.fc.hp.com       AMA#540813  COHVCO  '81 CB750F-Llamaha 
Dirt bike riding is perfectly safe; I have the scars to prove it. 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105107
From: britt@leland.Stanford.EDU (Britt Park)
Subject: Power Loss under load of a Honda CB360T

I have a 1974 Honda CB360T which for most of my purposes runs well. 
However I expereince a severe power drop at cruising speeds under load. 
That is, on a mild upgrade @ 50 mph in 4th or 5th I'm lucky if I can
hold speed.  If I try to add throttle much past 5000 rpm, power drops
drastically.  Put simply, under load, the engine won't rev past 5000
rpm.  The top third/half of the throttle range is dead.  Standing still
the engine runs fine up to red line (9-10K).

Other phenomenology: at about the point that power loss kicks in, the
engine becomes a little wavery.  That is, at a steady throttle the
engine speed goes up and down slightly.  The bike has about 13000 miles
on it and is in good tune, at least until it starts to balk.

I would appreciate any suggestions as to what's ailing the poor beast. 
My thoughts run toward clogged jets and/or improper spark advance.  I'm
hoping it's not something more drastic since the bike's not really worth
the hassle of any major engine work.

                                        Thanks,

                                        Britt Park
                                        britt@cb-iris.stanford.edu



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105108
From: jcn@rice.edu (Jeff Nichols)
Subject: Re: Help me adjust my tappits

In article <735486396snz@morgan.demon.co.uk>, tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony
Kidson) wrote:
> 
> In article <jcn-210493180052@lactose.rice.edu> jcn@rice.edu writes:
> 
> >And speaking of shims, why would the clearance of the valves get smaller,
> >i.e.
> >need the use of a thinner shim?
> >
> 
> Valve seat wear?
> 
Okay, okay.  I forgot about that.  Sheeesh.

Jeff Nichols
Rice University

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105109
From: ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu (Allan Hatcher)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1993Apr20.163629.29153@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:
>I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this.  I have
>several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
>And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious
>things like that.  My questions would not be found in those places nor
>answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop.
>If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc.
>don't bother writing in.  Thanks.
>
> 
>
Well, here goes.  After lurking for a LONG time, I'll announce myself. Yes, I'm
the enemy. The enemy that also happens to ride an "arrest me red" 90 VFR. 
     Bike history:  (as if this endears me to the DoD)
     79 Honda XL 175  "High School"
     85 Kawasaki KLR 600
     84 Honda V65 Sabre "Cornering by Committee"
     88 Honda Hawk GT "Proctologists' designed this bike"
     90 VFR

 I'll entertain questions but my answers will reflect Georgia law and may not   
 apply in your state.  
  
  P.S.  Anyone got a Nomex suit for sale?
    
>



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105110
From: ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu (Allan Hatcher)
Subject: Re: Traffic morons

In article <Stafford-200493133025@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <C5sHD0.LH6@athena.cs.uga.edu>, ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu
>(Allan Hatcher) wrote:
>> 
>
>> You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony.
>
>	I'm not sure that's true.  Let me rephrase; "You can file a complaint
> which will bring the person into court."  As I understand it, a
> "citizens arrest" does not have to be the physical detention of
> the person.
 I think we just found the difference between a citizens arrest (physical 
 detention of a suspect) and a report/warrant.

>
> Better now?
>
>====================================================
>John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
>                    All standard disclaimers apply.



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105111
From: kharma@csuohio.edu (Carl J. Santora)
Subject: ****** Test Ignore ******

ignore 



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105112
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: The best of times, the worst of times

In article <txd.735344033@Able.MKT.3Com.Com>, txd@ESD.3Com.COM (Tom Dietrich) writes:
> mtrost@convex.com (Matthew Trost) writes:
> 
> >In <1993Apr20.161357.20354@ttinews.tti.com> paulb@harley.tti.com (Paul Blumstein) writes:
> 
> >>Turned out to be a screw unscrewed inside my Mikuni HS40 
> 
> >You better check all the screws in that carb before you suck
> >one into a jug and munge a piston, or valve. I've seen it
> >happen before.
> 
> WHAT?!?!? On a MIKUNI??? I'm going through the exploded view of the
> 40mm flatslide on the 'Ol Sport, the 36mm round slide on Spike, and
> the monster on my old Norton in my mind, and I can't, for the life of
> me see a screw in any of them that, if it came loose could get into a
> jug. 

When they explode 'em, all the screws fly away.

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105113
From: fester@island.COM (Mike Fester)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

In article <1r941o$3tu@menudo.uh.edu> inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:

>I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
>really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

If possible, I split lanes. Even if you don't get all the way to the
head of the line, at least you won't rear-ended. I always worry more when
I'm in the lane, at the front of the line, and no one in behind me. Then you
have to keep an eye on your mirrors. I also get ready to pull a hard right,
*just in case*.

Mike
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105114
From: hamiltoj@CS.ColoState.EDU (j hamilton)
Subject: Re: VFR + ST11 Owners get hidden feature

In article <C61r0B.C7@world.std.com> daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) writes:
>
>Well the actual ergonomics of the switch make it appear to be a
>2 position switch, but sure enough as Deam expected , when
>you balance the toggle switch in the center position both the high
>and low beams go on.
>
>This provides a very nice light coverage of the
>road.
>
>
Hmmmm I noticed sometime ago that I could do the same on my Virago, and
since I don't read many schematics, I didn't really think aobut it too
much.   Yes it does provide excellent coverage, but I figured it would
probably draw a little too much current.  I also figured that it was 
overlapped just to prevent a blank spot of no headlight.  Are you saying 
that these switches are designed for the hi/lo combination?


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|Jay Hamillton                    | XV1000 with more chrome than a Harley|
|hamiltoj@handel.cs.colostate.edu |  Time to change the oil AGAIN?!?!?!? |
|DoD#982  and  KotCM              |                                      |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105115
From: bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner)
Subject: Re: Zipper repairs (Was: ...Tankbag...)

In article <carlp.735709605@frigg> carlp@frigg.isc-br.com (Carl Paukstis) writes:
>bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:

>>Yep, it works like a charm. I had the same problem after about 7-8 years
>>of constant use, and I was thinking of seeing how much Eclipse would
>>want to install a new zipper. But someone (I think it was Chuck Karish)
>>suggested I try that trick. It took a couple of tries to get the right
>>amount of squish, but it's been fine for about 3 years since I squished
>>it. It should work for any of the nylon-coil type zippers.
>
>OTOH-
>I tried this on my HG Concord jacket Thursday night.  Really, I just
>made a tiny-adjustment type of squeeze.  Really.

Is (was? :-( ) your HG zipper the nylon-coil type or the kind with
molded plastic teeth? I've only tried it on the coiled nylon type, and
it doesn't take much squish to fix the problem. I found I was overdoing
it (no broken parts, but the zipper was too hard to pull) so after
spreading the zipper pull jaws again, I tried with Vice-Grips. No, not
the usual Grip Of Death technique, I adjusted the closed Vice-Grips so
they were snug on the zipper jaws, then released them and tightened the
adjusting screw a bit. A couple of iterations and I had just the right
amount of Zipper Squish (TM).

>Result: I now know that noplace in Spokane will even _consider_ trying
>to repair a broken zipper-closer-thingy, which must be a $0.30 part
>which needs a $20 tool to install.

I've had two zipper pulls fail on my Aerostich suit (actually on the
Accessory Ellipse), and they sent me a few replacement pulls free of
charge. I don't know what brand of zippers HG uses, but parts ARE
available for YKK's plastic zippers. Replacement was pretty simple, just
break and remove the plastic knob at the top of the zipper that keeps
the pull from coming off the top end. Slide on the new zipper pull. Then
crimp on (Vice-Grips again!) a replacement zipper stop.

You might try fabric stores & such and see if they sell replacement
parts.

Oh, for what it's worth, the coil-type zippers on the Eclipse tankbag
are also YKK.
-- 
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105116
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: dogs

In article <93Apr20.193958.30419@acs.ucalgary.ca>, parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
> In article <C5pntM.8Co@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
> 
> >This tactic depends for its effectiveness on the dog's conformance to
> >a "psychological norm" that may not actually apply to a particular dog.
> >I've tried it with some success before, but it won't work on a Charlie Manson
> >dog or one that's really, *really* stupid.  A large Irish Setter taught me
> >this in *my* yard (apparently HIS territory) one day.  I'm sure he was playing 
> >a game with me.  The game was probably "Kill the VERY ANGRY Neighbor" Before 
> >He Can Dispense the TERRIBLE PUNISHMENT.
> 
> What, a dog weighs 150lb maybe, at max? You can't handle it?

We were having a problem with instability in the universal gravitational
constant that day:  the closer I got to those exposed fangs (still dripping,
no doubt, with the viscera of the last foolhardy experimenter cum canine
psychology) the bigger and heavier the dog appeared to become.  Also, 
recall that the distribution of the ~150lb is one five pound jaw+teeth 
operated by two 70lb muscles driven by a .005 ounce brain possessing an
instinctual heuristic composed of equal parts of bloodlust and ravening hunger.
The other ~5 lb is, of course, dog poop, but that varies all over the place 
as the dog deposits it regularly on the painstakingly manicured and tended 
lawns of the dog's owner's neighbors (whilst continuously replenishing its
inexhaustible supply, no doubt by consuming the likes of folks like me).

> You have, I presume, thumbs? Grapple with it and tear it's head
> off!

My very thought at the time, but as I looked down at these once formidable 
instruments of mayhem, I realized they had become weak and atrophied by too
many sedentary hours tapping away at my ergonomically-correct CRT keyboard.
There was only one option left: I reached down to the toolbox near my
car and grasped my Craftsman 150 ft-lb torque wrench, surely the bludgeon
of dire necessity if ever there was one.  To my amazement and
confusion, the setter started shaking and rolling on the grass, then leapt
to its feet and vanished down the street, still quivering and occasionally 
looking back at me.  

"Seven at One Blow!" I exclaimed, flexing my new-found biceps and brandishing
my Terrible Weapon of Invincibility as I stalked the now-secure environs
of my domicile.  It was only later that I found out what the dog apparently
knew all along: the wrench was defective, would no longer measure torque
accurately, and Sears wouldn't fix it or replace it.  What I had interpreted
as fear and subservience were in fact unmitigated hilarity and contempt.

> Sheesh, even a trained attack dog is no match for a human,
> we have *all* the advantages.

Exactly: nobody can look quite as silly as we can.

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105117
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question?

In article <mjs.735395430@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk>, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
> lotto@husc4.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:
> 
> >The understanding and ability to swerve was essentially absent among
> >the accident-involved riders in the Hurt study.
> 
> >The "average rider" does not identify that countersteering alone
> >provides the primary input to effect motorcycle lean by themselves,
> >even after many years of practice.
> 
> I would agree entirely with these three paragraphs. But did the Hurt
> study make any distinction between an *ability* to swerve and a *failure*
> to swerve? In most of the accidents and near accidents that I've seen, riders
> will almost always stand on the brakes as hard as they dare, simply because
> the instinct to brake in the face of danger is so strong that it over-rides
> everything else. Hard braking and swerving tend to be mutually exclusive
> manouvres - did Hurt draw any conclusions on which one is generally preferable?

Apparently the instinct to brake in the face of danger isn't as strong 
as the instinct to freeze up and do nothing in the face of danger.  Hurt
found that a surprising number of accident-involved motorcyclists hadn't
used their brakes at all prior to impact.  

I think the only way you'll ever use countersteering reliably and correctly in 
a crisis is to make it the only conscious method of directional control you
ever use, and to practice it constantly, even when you have no need to do
any turning.  If you follow me down a long straight, and I seem to be 
wiggling back and forth randomly or suddenly without obvious need, it's because
I'm practicing countersteering and avoiding imaginary obstacles directly in
my path.  All of this practice may indeed be futile, but if I have even
milliseconds to react, the most *familiar* tactic available (and hopefully 
the most automatic) will be countersteering.  The same logic applies to braking
with the front brake, of course.

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105118
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted

bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mar
Marten) writes:
>>
>>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow 
>>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has
>>not worked for you. 
>With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything
>would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank
>bag.

Me too. Even after I bought the 3-piece Krauser K2 set.  Now and then, 
DK puts them on sale for 50 bux or so to clear out inventory, but they
never seem to to go away.  They are the Volkswagens of tank bags, I guess.

BTW, the late Paul O' Neill showed me a trick with a pair of pliers that
will extend their life considerably.  When the zipper starts to separate
behind the pull (because of age and wear), squash the pull body with the
pliers just a bit to tighten it back up.  I would have tossed my bag three 
years ago, but this fixed it up and kept it secure and reliable.

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105119
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Fortune-guzzler barred from bars!

In article <1993Apr21.095305.28851@bnr.ca>, npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
> Charles Parr, on the Tue, 20 Apr 93 21:25:10 GMT wibbled:
> : In article <1993Apr19.141959.4057@bnr.ca> npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar) writes:
> 
> : >If Satan rode a bike (CB1000?) would you stop to help him?

Only if he was a "true motorcyclist with the real riding attitude."  As you
probably are aware, there is a sure-fire rec.moto test for this attribute.

> God would ride a Vincent White Lightning with rightous injection.
> He'd wear a one-piece leather suit with matching boots, helmet and gloves.

Why?  You think (s)he's worried about road-rash?

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105120
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) writes:
> 
> Various posts about shafties can't do wheelies:
> 
> >: > No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
> >: > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
> >: > off the ground
> >
> >Good point John...a buddy of mine told me that same thing when I had my
> >BMW R80GS; I dumped the clutch at 5,000rpm (hey, ito nly revved to 7 or so) and
> >you know what? He was right!
> 
> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!

Well, just when you think *nothing* will strike at a 
BMW-key-fob/ostrich-feather-dipped-in-silly-putty-and-varnished-solid lure,
somebody comes along and inhales it right up to the lead swivel!

There *is* a Dog.

It's going to be pretty difficult to better (worsen?) a trolling scheme this 
low, though.

:-)
Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105121
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: story

In article <csundh30.735398449@ursa>, csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:
> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
> 
> >>lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
> >>
> >> [description of a pretty rowdy-sounding party]
> >>
> >>And still we wonder why they stereotype us...
> >>
> >>-Erc.
> 
> > Whacha mean 'we'...ifin they (whom ever 'they' are) want to stereotype me
> >as one that likes to drink beer and watch lovely ladies display their
> >beautiful bodies - I like that stereotype.
> >  If you were refering 'stereotype' to infer a negative - you noticed we
> >didn't rape, pillage, or burn down the town. We also left mucho bucks as in
> >MONEY with the town. Me thinks the town LIKES us. Least they said so.
> >                         Lynn Hall - NOS Bros
> 
> 
> They bein' themfolk who tend to compose fair piece of the population;
> bein the ones that regard bikers as a loud, irresponsible, irreverent,
> reprobate rabble.  

Doesn't sound like they attended, though, does it?  In fact, if we riders
need friends, it sounds a lot like we might have a whole townfull from 
Lynn's description, especially if the same crowd gets invited back
to party some more year after year.

> Sure you didn't rape and pillage-- It's a relief to know that you were
> such gentlemen-- but because you were not completely out-of-hand you 
> justify your lesser indescretions?  Some pretty distorted thinking, I
> should say.  

You seem to be one of very few bent out of shape over these "lesser
indiscretions".  If the towns-people aren't ruffled by the
"indiscretions" and the partyers aren't either, maybe the "indiscretions"
don't amount to anything more threatening or damaging than harmless 
good-natured rowdiness among consenting adults.  The only thing that 
really bothered me about the description was the knee-deep empty beer cans 
in the street, but maybe the town had a plan to deal with that since they 
helped set up the party in the first place.  If I lived there and the
bikers' previous visits had established a record of mutual cooperation
and good intentions, I'd certainly rather they stick around and party
than go riding off into the night impaired and maybe get hurt or killed.

> Oh-- I'm sorry, I just noticed that you left mucho bucks (as in MONEY)...
> Nevermind my criticism, I was out of line.  I forgot that when one leaves
> mucho bucks (as in MONEY) their behavior is permissable, perhaps even 
> justified.

If it doesn't hurt anyone, and all the parties to the party benefit
and consider the entire activity to be benign and harmless, then who 
needs to "permit" or "justify" it?  You?  Why do *you* need to do that?

> Keep in mind that "themfolks" are the ones that could give a %$#@! when 
> a biker gets killed, when *their* elected officials institute further
> draconian legislation (helmet laws, gun controls, etc.), the ones that don't 
> respect our rights on the roads because we do not respect theirs all "the
> rest of the time..."

Ironically, these particular townsfolk probably are in the minority that
don't happen to fit the stereotype you describe.  They've developed a
friendly long-term mutually-beneficial relationship with a group of 
motorcyclists, and aren't as burdened with MC-ignorance as is the general
population because of it.

> Need I continue?

If such a need exists, it surely must come from within.

> So continue to wear your stigma as a badge, but the next time you are
> whining about "them" and the effect of their values on yours, remember
> that it was probably the behavior of self-righteous wusses like myself
> that kept "them" at bay for this long.

Well, you got the "self-righteous wusses" part right, anyway.

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

"You might have heard I run with a dangerous crowd,
 We ain't too pretty, we ain't too proud,
 We might be laughin' a bit too loud,
 Ah, but that never hurt no one,       <--------
 You know that only the good die young"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105122
From: car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <19930420221604.Wayne.Orwig@worwig.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig) writes:
> > 
> > >Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
> > >
> > No Mike.  It is imposible due to the shaft effect.  The centripital effects
> > of the rotating shaft counteract any tendency for the front wheel to lift
> > off the ground.
>
> Well my last two motorcycles have been shaft driven and they will wheelie.
> The rear gear does climb the ring gear and lift the rear which gives an
> odd feel, but it still wheelies.

Feeding frenzy!!!

Ah, 'tis April in rec.moto and the newbies are bitin'!  Catch all you want,
we'll make more!

Chuck Rogers
car377@torreys.att.com

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105123
From: rogerc@midsun.uk.sun.com (Roger Collier)
Subject: Re: Paint jobs in the UK

In article 735397301@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:
>
>>Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs,
>>preferably but not essentially in the London area. 
>
>Try Dream Machine, 0602 736615. I've seen a few examples of their
>work and it looks pretty good. They're in the midlands though...
>

Dream machine quality ain't what it used to be

Kinetic Art did some great paint jobs on Bimotas. Don't know if they are still
around.

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105124
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Please tell me they're not permenant scratches!

Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:

>Is there a way to wax out a dull finish (minor scrathes)?  While
>"passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
>and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
>rid of these?  Buff them out?  Wax them out?
>help!


Car accessory shops here sell stuff called T-Cut, which is a very fine
cutting paste for paint, and this will remove the dull finish and
minor acratches. It will also remove all the traffic film and stuff that
you probably don't realise is there, and give your paintwork its original
lustre and shine. It can sometimes react badly with metallic paint, though,
so try it out carefully before going to town with the stuff. Afterwards
apply wax polish, and all will be well again.

BTW - don't confuse T-cut with the cutting paste used for grinding in 
valves...the principle's the same but the coarseness is vastly different...

Mike


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105125
From: kharma@csuohio.edu (Carl J. Santora)
Subject: BMW /2 frame set-up for sale...

			FOR SALE OR TRADE!!!

BMW R60US frame and misc.,converted to Earles fork. The package includes:

	Frame, swingarm and Earles fork
	Final drive(27/8)
	Rear fender, front fender, large tank
	Steel wheels laced w/ ss spokes, one new rim, one EC used rim
	All brackets, brake hdware, footrests etc.
	The colour scheme used is the original BMW optional Bristol grey
	Items not painted are: Earles rigid section(needs straightening,
		this rigid section was bent when I received it, not from 
		being mounted to the R60US frame),Earles swingarm and the 
		headlight shell. I have the paintthat was used and can 
		finish the non-painted items if desired. The striping 
		was done by Holt Design.
	Not included: engine, gearbox, electrics, seat.

This is a clean and tidy project. The project was terminated due to lack of
	time and the R69(35hp) engine that was to be used was transferred 
	to another project. I would prefer to sell the package as whole.
	I am negotiable as to what can be included in the package, I will
	not separate any of the painted items. I am willing to take /2
	spares in trade. 

e-mail any inquiries. thanx. Carl.....

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105126
From: coburnn@spot.Colorado.EDU (Nicholas S. Coburn)
Subject: Re: Buying a 1992 Suzuki GS500E - advice wanted

awhite@ssc.sas.upenn.edu (Andrew White) writes:

>Hello, net.readers.  I am looking for a little net.advice.

>I've got my eye on a '92 Suzuki GS500E at a local dealer. The bike's got
>3,200 miles on it and looks in mint condition.  Dealer is asking a bit
>less than $2,800. Good price?  I don't have access to a blue book and am
>too lazy to go to the library.  Dealer is letting me test-ride it
>this week.

Blue Book says: Wholesale=$2115, Retail=$2895
Sounds like you are getting a pretty fair price (assuming it is in
nice condition)

>-- 
>Andrew White                   | Univ of Pennsylvania (edu-breath)
>awhite@mcneil.sas.upenn.edu    | 
>DoD #0584                      | '82 Honda Sabre V45 


________________________________________________________________________
Nick Coburn                     DoD#6425                      AMA#679817
                  '88CBR1000              '89CBR600
                       coburnn@spot.colorado.edu
________________________________________________________________________



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105127
From: karen@angelo.amd.com (Karen Black)
Subject: Re: Touring the southwest

bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>kim@fatcity.cts.com (Kim Sharpe) writes:
>>A few of us are touring Sothwest Utah in mid June to see the Canyons.\
>>Do any of you have some helpful hints on where to stay or
>>things to see/do/avoid.  Plans are to see Bryce, Zion, Arches.
>>Is the Grand close at that point or is an additional trip required?
>
>Well, it's closer to Bryce than Bryce is to Arches. I'd spend a lot
>of time studying the maps, there's a lot of "you can't get there from
>here" in that area. You might want to hit the Grand Canyon on the way
>up from California, loop around to Canyonlands/Moab/Arches, and then
>back down towards Bryce & Zion on the way home.
>
>Make sure you ride US 12 between Capitol Reef and Bryce, it's been on a
>number of "top 10 roads" lists.

Highway 12 is a great road.  Be sure to stop by the Anasazi (sp) village
museum near Boulder Creek.  Interesting lifestyle :-).  The views of Dixie 
National Forest are stunning.

Karen Black

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105128
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering, to know or not to know - what is the question?

lotto@laura.harvard.edu (Jerry Lotto) writes:


>Yes, it was specifically the *ability* or understanding of the
>technique which was absent. 

How did Hurt measure the ability of riders to swerve? 





Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105129
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Subject: Re: So, do any police ossifers read this stuff?

In article <C5u4DL.A6v@athena.cs.uga.edu> ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu \
(Allan Hatcher) writes:
%
%   Well, here goes.  After lurking for a LONG time, I'll announce  myself.
%   Yes, I'm the enemy.
%

   Sorry Allan,  but unless  you happen  to be  the guy  who watches  T.V.
   while he's  driving a  white Toyota  on route  129 between  Atsugi  and
   Hiratsuka, you're not even -close- to being "the enemy"!!

-- 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105130
From: prange@nickel.ucs.indiana.edu (Henry Prange)
Subject: Re: Black Reflector Tape?

I got a sample of black reflector material, maybe from "Conspicuity"?
It is black but reflects silver if the angle of incidence is shallow.
Whoever it was I got it from sold/sells kits that fit BMW (and other
brands?) of luggage and fenders. Don't know what I did with the sample;
the kits seemed too expensive, as I recall.

Henry Prange -  biker/reflectionologist
Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405
DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215
ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2
We all lie, cheat and steal, mostly a little, sometimes a lot. Relax. 


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105131
From: santac@aix.rpi.edu (Christopher James Santarcangelo)
Subject: FORSALE:  1982 Yamaha Seca 650 Turbo

I don't want to do this, but I need money for school.  This is
a very snappy bike.  It needs a little work and I don't have the
money for it.  Some details:

	~19000 miles
	Mitsubishi turbo
	not asthetically beautiful, but very fast!
	One of the few factory turboed bikes... not a kit!
	Must see and ride to appreciate how fun this bike is!

I am asking $700 or best offer.  The bike can be seen in
Bennington, Vermont.  E-mail for more info!

Thanks,
Chris
santac@rpi.edu


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105132
From: jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer)
Subject: Re: Daytona

In article <C5ytzo.569@news.dtc.hp.com> jjb@dtc.hp.com (Jim Brewer) writes:
>Russell had major backmarker problems before getting onto the banking.

  And the backmarker was Chuck Graves, I believe.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105133
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

In article <viking.735733789@ponderous.cc.iastate.edu> viking@iastate.edu (Dan Sorenson) writes:
>
>	HOW TO GET A VERBAL WARNING FOR 146 IN A 55
>

Poppy cock!  This story is obviously a complete fabrication, and I'll show
you why...

>	In Ames, there is a road that leads to the little town of
           ^^^^
This establishes that the story takes place in Iowa.
>Gilbert.  Gilbert has one stop light, if that tells you something.
>Having just gotten the bike back together, I thought I'd take it
>for a short ride and check things out.  Heading out of town, I
>went into the twisties at a slow pace, just under the speed limit,
               ^^^^^^^^
In Iowa?!?!?  Come on now Dan, how dumb do you think we are?  You could
have at least thrown in a llama or tennis ball reference.  Hell, you
didn't even get the speed right.

Dean

ps. :-)

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105134
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: DoD Pins...NOT!

In article <1993Apr23.155347.1@skcla.monsanto.com> mpmena@skcla.monsanto.com writes:
>	Bad news - Right after we placed our order, the company upped its
>	minimum order for manufacturing.  We got in under the wire (with
>	an order of 115 or so pins), but as a result of the low number of
>	pins, we were relegated to the "we'll get to it in-between other
>	runs" bin.  As a result, it seems that it may be another 4 or 5 weeks

How about the name and number of the pin place.  I would think that 115
or so people calling to bitch about why orders placed after ours are getting
done first might speed things along.

Dean
-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105135
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: VFR + ST11 Owners get hidden feature

In article <C61r0B.C7@world.std.com> daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) writes:
> I was enjoying lunch this saturday at foodies in Milford NH with an assortment
>of other nedod folks when Dean Cookson ( yes he has not left the 
>country, yet) mentioned that the wiring diagram of the VFR750 
>shows that  the light switch is a three position switch. 
>
My CB750 does it too.  The "Switch Continuity" section of the wiring diagram
looks something like this:

	HL L  H
        x--x     Low
        x--x--x  (N)
        x-----x  High

Dean

-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105136
From: idb14@cus.cam.ac.uk (I.D. Benham)
Subject: Re: WANTED - UK BMW R80 & Insurance Tips

In article <1993Apr21.171139.19287@infodev.cam.ac.uk>, idb14@cus.cam.ac.uk (I.D. Benham) writes:
|> Hi,
|>    I'm now in the market for buying a BMW.The ideal would be an R80 RS but I'd be
|> interested to here of any R80 for sale .Age is not a problem - I'm more
|> interested in a good example without a massive amount of miles and one which has
|> been well maintained as I intend to keep it well and for some time.
|> 
|>    I would also like to know if anyone has any sound advice as regards to
|> INSURANCE - 27yr old,licence for 9 years,no accidents/claims/convictions.Am I old
|> enough to get BMW owners club insurance yet or will I have to wait until next
|> year? 
|> 
|> 				Ian
|> 
|> 			Future Beemer Owner


  Article repeated due to large amount of other articles since 1st sent

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105137
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <C60Itu.4Dn@myrddin.imat.com> nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) writes:
>In article <1993Apr23.163805.9516@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>
>>	Spray the chain wax onto the rollers and sideplates occassionally, and
>>rust will not be a problem.
>
>	I did.  Regularly.  And it was.
>
>				Michael
>
Maybe you had accidentally sealed in some water?  I cleaned my chain
thoroughly, took it on a short ride to dry it off and heat it up
a bit, and the paraffin sank deep into the rollers and formed a good
seal on the outside.  No rust, but then again I live in Tucson!

/-----b-o-d-y---i-s---t-h-e---b-i-k-e----------------------------\
|                                                                |
|     DoD# 88888           asphaug@hindmost.lpl.arizona.edu      |
| '90 Kawi 550 Zephyr               (Erik Asphaug)               |
|  '86 BMW R80GS					         |	
\-----------------------s-o-u-l---i-s---t-h-e---r-i-d-e-r--------/

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105138
From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Changing oil on Virago (Was: Yamaha vs Honda opinions)

aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr) writes:
>In a previous article, phj@remus.rutgers.edu (P. Ju) says:
>>nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes:
>>
>>the brake pedal, &c. &c.) I've pretty much decided never to get this
>>particular model unless he or someone else wants to change the oil/filter
>>for me.  Compared to the 5-minute change he was used to for his Honda, this
>>is just a design flaw/oversight in my eyes.
>>
>Sure don't know what bike was being worked on but it sure wasn't a
>Virago.  I've owned both the 750 and 1100 and you can do the filter
>change in about 5 mins and nothing has to be removed.  

Well, watching several Denizen's dismantle Laurie's Virago in an
attempt to change the oil at the ride 'n feed a few years back was a
pretty funny site.  Surely with the combined wisdom of all these folks
they weren't doing things the hard way, were they?
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105139
From: thompson@apple.com (Paul Thompson)
Subject: Re: Back Breaker, Near Hit!!

inde7wv@Rosie.UH.EDU writes:

>hear screeching tires.  I dart my eyes to my mirrors and realize it's the 
>moroon flying up right behind me, in my panic I pop my clutch and stall the
>bike.  Luckily the guy stops a foot behind my rear wheel.
>I understand why you theoretically stop so far behind a car but can you
>really in actuality avoid such an incident?  Suggestions?

The experience you describe is why I don't like to sit with my bike in
gear - I figure there's a chance that I'll be startled in some way and
stall my bike.  And I figure this is more likely than the chance that
I'll be unable to escape some situation because of the extra time
needed to put the bike in gear.

So I concentrate on avoiding situations rather than making split-second
evasive manuvers.  I split lanes so I'm not at the end of the line.
(Unfortunately this is not legal in most of the country)  If I can't
split (perhaps there isn't room) then I will stop near one side of the
lane so I have an easy escape, and leave my bike in gear until the next
car has stopped.  I watch in my mirrors in the mean time to make sure
it will!  Whether I really would have time to move should a car fail to
stop, I haven't had to find out yet.  Some cars have an annoying habbit
of racing up behind you before braking heavilly, so it can be hard to
tell if they are planning to brake or not!

So in summary, position yourself for an easy exit, and then watch your
mirrors until it's all clear.
-- 
Paul Thompson    Apple Computer    

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105140
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Electricty

In article <66795@mimsy.umd.edu>, leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes...
>maven@mavenry.altcit.eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
>NH> 1) Trying to figure out a way to put a halogen beam on my CB360T... Are 
>NH>there any easy ways to do this (i.e. a "slip-in" bulb replacement)?

>No.  The Honda 360s employed a sealed beam which was not interchangeable
>with anything else, so far as I could ever tell.  I've owned two 360s
>over the years, and that was always one of my biggest nits.

	I'm not sure how far standardisation went, but on two of my bikes (the
GS550B and, I think, the GT380M) I was able to pop a Cibie' insert directly
into the original housing (held in by those roughly W-shaped springs).  The
inserts used 55/60W halogen bulbs, and were great, although Mr Bill later
indicates that this may be too much of a drain on your charging system.

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105141
From: chrispi@microsoft.com (Chris Pirih)
Subject: Re: First Bike??

In rec.motorcycles James Leo Belliveau <jbc9+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
;    I am a serious motorcycle enthusiast without a motorcycle, and to
;put it bluntly, it sucks.  I really would like some advice on what would
;be a good starter bike for me.  I do know one thing however, I need to
;make my first bike a good one, because buying a second any time soon is
;out of the question.  I am specifically interested in racing bikes, (CBR
;600 F2, GSX-R 750).  I know that this may sound kind of crazy
;considering that I've never had a bike before, but I am responsible, a
;fast learner, and in love.  

Responsible and in love?  I believe that's a contradiction
in terms.

Unless you're really brave (read: "reckless") a 500cc sport
bike will go way faster than you dare for at least your first
year of riding.  Getting more than that really is overkill,
as you'll never even want to use it.  The following bikes
can be bought (and repaired!) cheaply, are easy for a novice
to manage, and are plenty high performance:
    Kawasaki EX-500
    Honda VF-500 "Interceptor"
    Suzuki GS-550E

The 0-100mph time of the EX-500 at full throttle is "way
sooner than you're ready for it".  :-)  With something
as small as a 250, you'd probably be wishing for more
power pretty quickly (unless it's a TZR or RGV :).

Now, I'm not saying that you're 100% certain to kill
yourself immediately with a 600f2 or a GSXR-750.  Plenty
of people have started riding on those bikes and done
just fine.  What I am saying is that it's a waste of
money, and a waste of perfectly good plastic when you
drop the thing learning how to balance while stopping.
You'll never get the throttle more than half open
anyway, so why spend the extra 2000 bucks?

---
chris

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105142
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: For JOHS@dhhalden.no (3) - Last 

pky@fmg.bt.co.uk (Pete Young) writes:

>Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:

>: Tsk, tsk, tsk.  Another newbie bites the dust, eh?  They'll learn.

>Newbie. Sorry to disappoint you, but as far as the Internet goes I was
>in Baghdad while you were still in your dads bag.

>Based on your previous postings, apparently devoid of humour, sarcasm,
>wit, or the apparent capacity to walk and chew gum at the same time, I
>assumed you were serious. Mea culpa.

You cannot be serious!! Personally I think Nick's postings are the 
best thing on wreck.moto. 




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105143
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (The Angel Levine) writes:


>Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
>but I've never actually done it.

No, but I've driven my cage to the bike park, thinking I was riding
the bike....



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105144
From: behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <C60Itu.4Dn@myrddin.imat.com> nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson) writes:
>In article <1993Apr23.163805.9516@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>>
>>	Spray the chain wax onto the rollers and sideplates occassionally, and
>>rust will not be a problem.
>
>	I did.  Regularly.  And it was.

	Interesting.  All I can say is that I haven't seen any wear in the
1000 miles I've used the stuff on the Ninja, and the bike stays soooo clean.

	I'll check back again in a few thousand more miles.

	While we're on the subject, whereinthehell can I find a 532x110
endless chain, other than the dealer (no, rivet-type master links are not
acceptable)?

Later,
-- 
Chris BeHanna	DoD# 114          1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com	          1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer:  Now why would NEC	  1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway?    I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105145
From: bobm@brimstone (Bob Morley)
Subject: Re: Please tell me they're not permenant scratches!

In article <sfpPIsK00WB64HPO5e@andrew.cmu.edu>, Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> While "passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
> and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
> rid of these?  Buff them out?  Wax them out? help!

Has he realised yet....or are you hoping to fix it before he does ? 

If you're planning to use T-Cut...BE CAREFUL. Sunlight fades paint and T-Cut removes the surface layer, so if its a older bike or very sunny where
you live then the colour of the T-cut panel wont match the rest of the bike.

-Bob

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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105146
From: drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article 13892@megatek.com, randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis) writes:
>In article <1993Apr22.204012.29920@asl.dl.nec.com> drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp writes:
>|Course, the only people who seem to be acting smug now probably have chain
>|final drive (which, as we all know, is less efficient and has higher
>|maintenance) and probably didn't know the answer at the start of the thread.
>
>  When did *you* go out and change the laws of physics? :-)  According to some
>numbers I used to see bandied around, shaft drive is on the order of 95-97%
>efficient, while chain drive is closer to 99%...   Seems to me that this makes
>*chain* drive more efficient, hmmmmm???
>
>  And granted, shaft has a lot less maintenance, which is fine, if you don't
>mind less performance... :-) :-)
>
>Randy Davis                            Email: randy@megatek.com
>ZX-11 #00072 Pilot                            {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy

OK.  And you regularly ride your bike to within 2% of it's maximum capability?
(Note any idiot can go flat out on a bike - most of them do.)

Anyway, efficient at what?  A shaft drive is a much more efficient solid (erect) lump
of metal than a floppy (flaccid, unsatisfying) chain.

Doug Rinckes   drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp   New Zealand TSSC Ltd
1976 BMW R100S           1960 BMW R60            1940 Indian 741A       


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105147
From: drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp (Doug Rinckes)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article 0180@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA, C70A000 <C70A@UNB.CA> () writes:
>In article <3880218@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:
>>/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu /  2:48 pm  Apr 19, 1993 /
>>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?
>>
>>Mike Terry
>>'82 Virago
>>----------
>>I've seen 'em, but the real question is, can one do a wheelie on a Lead Wing?
>>If so, how high would the front wheel be off the ground?
>
> Wheelies on Lead Wings are possible, but they ain't easy, or so my
>(hhmmm, what is the relation?) great uncle several times removed tells
>me.  As for how high, how high do you want 'em?  Modulation isn't
>exactly the easiest thing in the world, or so says a guy 57 years old...

Well, apparently once you get past about 6 inches, all the luggage shifts back in the panniers, the passenger slides back, and the dog ends up hanging onto the top rack,
and they go all the way over until it's flat on it's ass, with the front wheel
straight up in the sky.  Impressive, but hard on the tail lights. :)

Doug Rinckes   drinckes@tssc.wlg.nec.co.jp   New Zealand TSSC Ltd
1976 BMW R100S           1960 BMW R60            1940 Indian 741A       


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105148
From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: Happy Easter!


In article <C5u1LI.7EM@dcs.qmw.ac.uk>, davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
|> Lotus looks set for a management buyout. GM weren't happy that the Elan was 
|> late and too pricey.  If they can write off the Elan development costs the may 
|> be able to sell them for a sensible price.

I read that GM wants to keep the Design part of Lotus but lose the car
production. And, I seem to remember, that the main problem with the Elan
was caused by GM's insistence that the Elan be re-designed (significantly)
for the US market which caused major design & production headaches. 

|> : : I think there is a legal clause in the RR name, regardless of who owns it
|> : : it must be a British company/owner - i.e. BA can sell the company but not
|> : : the name.
|> 
|> : : kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
|> 
|> : I don't believe that BA have anything to do with RR.  It's a seperate
|> : company from the RR Aero-Engine company. 
|> 
|> It's Vickers who own Rolls Royce cars. 

Quite true - brain fade on my part.

|> David Edmondson                 davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk

kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105149
From: sbrandt@loon.cs.umn.edu (Scott Alan Brandt)
Subject: Want to borrow/rent a bike in Boston this summer.

This summer (~July 20) my wife (Michelle) and I will be in Boston
attending my brother's wedding.  After the wedding we are planning
to motor up to Bar Harbor, Maine to visit some relatives for a few
days.  Our summer would be *made* if we could find a bike (or bikes)
to borrow or rent to ride up to Bar Harbor and back.

Here's some important details:  I've been riding for ~11 years,
(my own bikes for the past 7 years), Michelle has been riding for the
past 6 years (her own bikes), I've only been involved in one accident
which was caused by a cage driver running a stop sign, I currently own
a BMW R90, Michelle owns a Yamaha Virago 700, we prefer cruising over
racing, we've toured a fair amount, we're both licensed and insured,
and we're nice people.

So, if anyone has a bike (or bikes :-), but the second one would have
to be a Virago or something else with an equally low seat) that they
would be willing to loan us for 3-4 days in July, Michelle and I would
be eternally grateful. In addition to our friendship, you would also
have the use of our bikes should you ever pass through Minneapolis.
In exchange, we would be happy to take you and a guest out for dinner
and an evening of wild bike stories, or we might even be willing to
cough up some money for improvements to the bike(s), like new tires or
something.

Also, any information about bike rentals in the Boston area would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Scott Brandt

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105150
From: simmon@eeel.nist.gov (Eric Simmon)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small) writes:

>In article <13608@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>>
>>Since the occurance, I've paid many
>>dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, 
>>and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous
>>assholes like yourself that think your SO above the
>>rest of the world because you've never had your
>>own little DD suaree.

>Some of us aren't that fucking stupid you cock sucking asshole.  That's why
>we haven't had our own little DD suaree.  I'm soo impressed that you've had
>to spend your own precious little dollars  to make up for your own stupid
>act.  Now go fuck off.



>Friends killed by Drunk Driving Assholes like Andress Infante:  2
>Children friends orphaned by Drunk Driving Assholes like Infante: 2



>Now who's the self-righteous asshole, you weak willed fuck head?


>>
>-- 
>I hate the 3B2
>The 3B2 can bite me.

Jim,

I hope you never drive (or ride) when:

you have been drinking 
you have been taking prescription drugs
you didn't get enough sleep the night before
you are upset with your girlfriend
you just didn't feel like your brain was talking to your body
you think you are at laguna seca and want to break the lap record

ANY of the above situations have the potential for harm (read death)
People make mistakesIf you have never endangered someone else by driving a vehicle in an
unsafe manner, then go right ahead and bitch about Mr Infante misuse
of a motor vehicle.  Otherwise, think about your OWN driving responsibilities.

I am sorry about the loss of your friends, but it could just as well
been the idiot who bought a Volvo because he has problems falling asleep at the
wheel.

Eric

simmon@eeel.nist.gov



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105151
From: kstell@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (kevin.l.stell)
Subject: SQUIDS and Dealers 

Yesterday, a friend had asked me to accompany him to a local motorcycle
dealer. It has been a while since he last rode (>10 years), and I myself
have never bought a new bike from a dealer. What follows is an experience
of that visit and of an observation of "SQUILDLY" behavior by other 
customers and/or sales personel:

BACKGROUND:

I ride with a group of friends, who mainly are into "cruiser" type bikes. My
friend was hell bent on getting an Intruder and had seen a few used ones. He
wanted to see what the new ones were going for, so we happened upon a dealer
that sold both Suzuki and Yamaha. 

The place was fairly busy, so we browsed a bit. We happened upon a few 
Intruders, most of which had SOLD signs on. My friend had been bitten.

Well the salesdroid appeared and as my friend started chewing the fat, I 
moseid on outside. The next thing I know, I see 3 or 4 sport bikes pull in.
I could stereo-type the type of riders (backward ball hat, oakley, IQ <40),
but I won't. Well they went inside, I didn't think much of it. I figured
to each his own. I went back in to see if the salesdroid had his fangs
firmly implanted into my friends back,  when I noticed the "hormone gang"
talking to other salesdroids/managers. Lot's of laughter, jokes etc. No big
deal.

Here is the part that concerned me. The "HG" and those shop personel that were
not busy with customers went back out, where said "HG" members fired up their
rides and did the obligatory reving up of those 600 beasts. At this point,
one decided to see how much rubber  a Katana 600 could deposit in the drive.

SQUIDS, I thought to myself. BUT I was appalled that the salesdroids/manager
not only condoned this behavior, but encourged it, to the point were they
were betting how long he could keep it up and egged him on to pull a wheely
as he rode off onto a busy street around rush hour. THe girl that was riding pillion on another bike, seemed rather hormonal about this display, and urged her
"pilot" to quickly catch up. The others followed, making sure there Kerkers
could be heard as well as felt.

I felt embarassed at this point to be a motorcyclist. I felt the eyes of those
in cages, witnessing this display, then glancing over to the dealers lot and
damning all those on two wheels. Needless to say, my friend felt a little
uncomfortable and we left. 

I will now turn off my frustration and go ride... peacefully, to clear my
anger. I only hope that the cop who is following me home, has an open
mind and doesn't associate me with them. 

BTW, I can't afford a new bike.....

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105152
From: db10@bih.no (Karstein Holen)
Subject: Bike Vacation in the States??

This Summer I'm going to use my vacation drivin (riding)
through the States.
And I do Have some questions that I would like to post here::
Since I'm from Norway I was wondering
How much does it cost to rent a Bike in the States?

(I'm Probarly going to the San Fransisco/San Jose area
the ride around (I'think))

As you might have noticed I still haven't made any plans
so if you know about places I ought to visit 
Please e-mail me...

                   Khool  (Wanna be a DoD  (Hangarond)
                 db10@bih.no
             (Karstein Holen) 
Since I hurt my pendulum
My life is all erratic.
My parrot, who was cordinal,
Is now transmitting static.
The carpet died, a palm collapsed
The cat keeps doing poo.
The only thing that keeps me sane
Is talking to my shoe.
           -- My Shoe.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105153
From: speedy@engr.latech.edu (Speedy Mercer)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <5295@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:

>In article <1993Apr20.010734.18225@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>>...  Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
>>to liquor?

>*Everything* in Louisiana is related to liquor:  eating, sleeping, walking,
>talking, church, state, life, death, and everything in between.

How DARE you make such an accusation!  There are MANY sober, non-drinkers in 
this state!  If We wern't so busy unloading the beer truck for the week end, 
I might just come up that and have a talk wit you! B->

 ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

                          Stolen Taglines...
                        HEY! Where did they go?
                      You don't think .... naahh.


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105154
From: buffalo@wam.umd.edu (Duncan D. Sterling)
Subject: Re: '93 Wing Ding?

Wing ding XV will take place in Louisville, Kentucky from 15 June-18 June.
For more info, or to register, contact GWWRA, P.O.Box 14350, Phoenix, AZ,
85017, Tel. (602) 269-1403.

-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Duncan Sterling          buffalo@wam.umd.edu   GT750L, KH500A8, CA175K3
University of Maryland    "Yeeehaaa!" - Slim Pickens in "Dr. Strangelove"   
College Park, Md.         "2 strokes are quicker than 4" - anonymous 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105155
From: sturges@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Richard Sturges)
Subject: Re: Help me adjust my tappits

In rec.motorcycles, sheppamj@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Matthew Sheppard) writes:
>All our local 'experts' say it's the tappits that need some adjusting so
>I am soon to attempt that.  I would like any advice anyone had.  I do
>not have a shop manual but have read about the procedure in Chiltons and
>in a few other places.  Is there anything I need to be particularaly
>carful of?  Any problems anyone else has encountered?

I would stongly recommend a factory service manual, and if you are not
an experienced machanic then get a chiltons or haynes (sp?) ALSO.
Make sure the bike has cooled at least 6 hours since being run.
Read the books and if you have more questions you could mail me.
Also, be very careful when tightening valve cover bolts.  They take
very little torque and breaking one is disaster.

Rich Sturges
  Falls Church, VA

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105156
Subject: ZX-11 jetting
From: manolo@bloqueo (Manuel.Arrevola)

What jetting do you recommend for a ZX-11 (with standard mufflers) instead of
the standard one (idle-38, main-155).
Cheers.

--
Manuel Arrevola Velasco			||| e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es |||
Fundesco				ZX-11
Calle Alcala, 61			DR-600-S
28014-Madrid				DoD #1033
Tel. 341-4351214			"Don't waste your time, express it"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105157
From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Subject: Borderline!

In article <1993Apr21.222206.502069@sue.cc.uregina.ca> franks@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Derek Franks) writes:
>I was wondering if anyone on the net knows where/when the 1993 Wing Ding
>is?  If so, would you please e-mail/post the info?
>
>I've never been to one and have some free time this summer and
>am considering attending.  Anyone else?
>
 vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv  VVVVVVVVVV
>This is my first post, so no DoD#.
>                       
>'82 Aspencade (2nd one)

Getting close there!

o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>
    Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
    1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
    DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105158
From: rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Robert D Castro)
Subject: LAW & ORDER & DoD

Anyone catch the TV show Law & Order last night (at least here in
NYC)?  They "the law enforcement people", needed to catch a member of
DoD (Department of Doom) for inflicting a computer virus in a
hospital's mainframe which ended up killing two people because wrong
amounts of medication were given to them.

Anyhow, is "Department of Doom" on the list?

o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>  o&o>
    Rob Castro     | email - rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu | Live for today
    1983 KZ550LTD  | phone - (212) 854-7617              | For today you live!
    DoD# NYC-1     | New York, New York, USA             |        RC (tm)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105159
From: groh@nu.cs.fsu.edu (Jim Groh)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <cassidy.51.0@elan.rowan.edu> cassidy@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy) writes:
>In article <csundh30.735325668@ursa> csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim) writes:
>>
>>I am assembling info for a Film Criticism class final project.
>>
>man, every time this thread comes up, i start jumping up and down screaming '
>EASY WHEELS! EASY WHEELS!' but to date, it seems like _i'm_ the only one who'
>s ever seen this. it's absolutely hysterical. basic plot is this:
>
>reporter searching for a ring of babysnatchers is blow off the road by a (
>very hot) gang of babe bikers in leather. he is rescued from his wrecked car 
>in the desert by a xtian gospal biker band lead by an ex viet-nam vet with a 
>steel plate in his head that gives him visions from time to time. they soon 
>discover that the gang 'o babes is kidnapping children to be raised by 
>wolves (the reasoning behind this is complex), and they set out to stop them 
>and restore justice and order to the world.
>
>it is one of the 5 funniest movies i have ever seen in my life.
>
>--
>kyle cassidy
>cassidy@rowan.edu	"fire all of your guns at once!"
>DoD #760

I actually saw this movie about three months ago, but it wasn't called
EASY WHEELS.  It was something else that escapes me at the moment but
I did rent it from Blockbuster Video and it was a hoot, in the same
class as Plan 9 From Outer Space.

-- 
Jim Groh     groh@sig.cs.fsu.edu  | DoD #0356  |   Hog# 0437643 |new  improved
1959 XLH 900  **  1982 FXR  **  1989 XLH 883  **  1990 XLH 1200 | smaller sig

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105160
From: bradw@Newbridge.COM (Brad Warkentin)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:

>Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
>but I've never actually done it.

Yup. Do it whenever I am in the cage (which is not often if its riding weather
... ie no snow). I find arm out and down and kinda finger wave works best for
sport bikes and arm out/up works best for Harleys. Similar to how I wave when
I am on the bike.

>Let's see how many posts it takes for someone to selectively quote this article

Yah mean like..

>I get the urge, but I've never actually done it.

Done what? Why Jody we would never, ever even dream of assuming that a young
lady of such refined breeding and taste would even consider such things. I mean
some matters do not even have to be discussed, by civilized beings...

But, in confidence, just between the "two of us", not even once. Or perhaps
got excited thinking about it. I know that I do... ;->

bj...bradw@Newbridge.com... no .sig no .plan no.clue  >> DoD# 255 <<


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105161
From: jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu (Opso Lopso)
Subject: Kaw KZ650 Owners: tankbag stuff?

I was just wondering what kind (brand, name, etc...) would be best on this 
bike.... thanks for your advice.... 

-----
jbourgui@ucs.indiana.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105162
From: cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <1993Apr25.234857.1922@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>
>	Interesting.  All I can say is that I haven't seen any wear in the
>1000 miles I've used the stuff on the Ninja, and the bike stays soooo clean.
>

On a related note (since UPS lost my Chain Wax and I'm still using PJ-1/Goo),
I found some great stuff to clean chain spooge of wheels.  It's called
Goo Gone and cleaned the spooge off my rear wheel faster than the Simple
Green cleaned the bug guts off my headlight.  Wonderful stuff.  I recommend
that we officially delcare it a DoD Wonder Spooge (tm) product.


-- 
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714    | DoD #207  AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730  | KotNML  /  KotB       |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop"      | '92 VFR750F           |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993                     | '88 Bianchi Limited   |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105202
From: frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball)
Subject: Re: Help me adjust my tappits

Jeff Nichols (jcn@rice.edu) wrote:
& 
& And speaking of shims, why would the clearance of the valves get smaller,
& i.e. 
& need the use of a thinner shim?  

Because the valves recede into the cylinder head faster than the shims/cams
wear down..

--
Frank Ball   1UR-M          frankb@sad.hp.com    (707) 794-4168 work,
Hewlett Packard             (707) 794-3844 fax,  (707) 538-3693 home
1212 Valley House Drive     IT175, XT350, Seca 750, '62 F-100, PL510
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999  KC6WUG, LAW, AMA, Dod #7566, I'm the NRA.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105203
From: asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax

In article <1993Apr26.013305.8161@linus.mitre.org> cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>I found some great stuff to clean chain spooge of wheels.  It's called
>Goo Gone and cleaned the spooge off my rear wheel faster than the Simple
>Green cleaned the bug guts off my headlight.  Wonderful stuff.  I recommend
>that we officially delcare it a DoD Wonder Spooge (tm) product.
>
I think you can get that at most head shops.  I'm not kidding... although
it seems more appropriate for them to be selling Simple Green.

| '86 BMWR80GS               (Erik Asphaug)               |

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105204
From: mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith)
Subject: Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post

egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher) writes:

>In article 735312515@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>>
ed>1.  All of us that argue about gyroscopes, etc., throughly understand
ed>the technique of countersteering.

me>Including all the ones who think that they countersteer all the way
me>through a corner??

ed>Well... all the way through a decreasing-radius corner, anyway...

Maybe they are riding around an ever-decreasing circle of lies which
eventually leads to the truth....



me>The official line here (though I do have my doubts about it) is that the
me>front brake is applied first, followed by the rear brake, the idea being
me>that you avoid locking up the rear after weight transfer takes place. 

>If that's the "official line" taught in those rider education classes
>you were refering to, that also don't teach countersteering, I have to
>question the quality of the classes. 

Me too, though unfortunately the "Official Line" is the one that you
have to adhere to if you want to get a full licence. The examiner's
guidelines are laid down by the government, and the basic rider education
courses have no choice but to follow them. It surprises me that none of the
rider groups here, either MAG or the BMF make much noise about the fact that
the riding test requires you to ride three feet from the kerb all the time
in order to pass, that the front brake must be applied before the rear, that
you have to keep looking over your shoulder all the time (instead of just
when it is justified) - there's probably a few more too, which I can't
think of for the moment. If the riding test could be rejigged a bit 
to include more of the real-world survival skills and less of the 
woefully simplistic crap that it contains now, then the accident figures
would (imho) reduce still further.

Don't think we should include countersteering knowledge in our test though...

:-)





Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105205
From: jbuhl@daimi.aau.dk (Jesper Buhl)
Subject: Re: VFR + ST11 Owners get hidden feature

cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:

>In article <C61r0B.C7@world.std.com> daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) writes:
>> I was enjoying lunch this saturday at foodies in Milford NH with an assortment
>>of other nedod folks when Dean Cookson ( yes he has not left the 
>>country, yet) mentioned that the wiring diagram of the VFR750 
>>shows that  the light switch is a three position switch. 
>>
>My CB750 does it too.  The "Switch Continuity" section of the wiring diagram
>looks something like this:

>	HL L  H
>        x--x     Low
>        x--x--x  (N)
>        x-----x  High

And my '78 CX500 too - I first thought it was the wiring diagram that didn't
fit MY machine ;-)

>Dean

/jb

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105206
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax Wheelies



>In article <93Apr20.211127.44984@acs.ucalgary.ca> parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr) writes:
>
>
>>   I bought it, I tried it:
>>
>>   It is, truly, the miracle spooge.
>>
>>   My chain is lubed, my wheel is clean, after 1000km.
>>
>

I would like to offocially nominate Maxima Chain Wax as another
Official (tm) DoD product of choice.
-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105207
From: tanner@cerritos.edu
Subject: Re: Posted Gif of BMW R100S

> 	If any would care to see any more close-ups or different angles, I can
> 	post others to a.b.p also. I would be happy to submit one to cerritos
> 	if someone wants to write me and tell me how...

I would prefer a picture with you in it.  Since most motorcycles don't post,
and are rather similar looking (i.e all R100S's are more alike than they are
different), it is the people that are ultimately more interesting.

From archive_policy.txt:
> If you already have a picture in some machine-readable format (GIF preferred),
> you can FTP it to Cerritos.edu account 'anonymous' password 'incoming', binary
> mode and notify me by mail or mail it uuencoded to tanner@cerritos.edu.
>
>Please include a one or two line description for inclusion in AAAREADME.TXT.

BTW, I have Charlie Smith's pictures available.

> Sea-Bass Sears --> scs8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu --> DoD#516 <-- |Stanley, ID.|

Interestingly, I've been to Stanley, ID by motorcycle.  Nice little town,
nice road getting there.

-Bruce
-- 
Bruce Tanner        (310) 860-2451 x 596    Tanner@Cerritos.EDU
Cerritos College    Norwalk, CA             DoD #0161  NOMAD #007

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105208
From: leighd@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Leigh Dodd)
Subject: Help on UK law PLEASE

Greetings all,
	Can anyone let me know status of UK law about riding motorcycles.

	I used to ride one about 12 years ago and never took my DOT test ( One
of a whole list of things I wished I had done when I was young),but I have passed
my car driving test. I now travel from Littlehampton to Brighton every day
and I'm getting PISSED off with the traffic/road works. I thinking about getting
a 100cc bike ( Don't Laugh ) just to get "Streetwise" and to take my test, then
to get a bigger one ( 400 to 600 cc ).

	Now I have been told I don't have to do the CBT but what will I have
to do to get a full licence ?

Thanks in advanced

Leigh 

--
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*									      *
* Leigh Dodd								      *
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105209
From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Subject: Personal Problems   (Was - Re: So, do any police ossifers read ...)

In article <ltgnt9INNfpq@earth.cs.utexas.edu> mcguire@cs.utexas.edu \
(Tommy Marcus McGuire) writes:
%
% I can't haul my big dic. around on my bike...
%

   ...or is it a boast?

-- 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
  | John Little  - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM  - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan | 
   ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105210
From: tanner@cerritos.edu
Subject: Re: Touring the southwest

In article <1993Apr24.215126.19802@dsd.es.com>, bgardner@pebbles.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
> 
> Make sure you ride US 12 between Capitol Reef and Bryce, it's been on a
> number of "top 10 roads" lists.

Did they ever put in any gas stations on US 12?  I rode through there in
1987, skipped a fillup at Bryce Canyon and rode 100+ miles before seeing
a gas station at Torrey.  Awesome road, I recall riding up a narrow ridge
above 9,000? 10,000? feet.

-Bruce
-- 
Bruce Tanner        (310) 860-2451 x 596    Tanner@Cerritos.EDU
Cerritos College    Norwalk, CA             DoD #0161  NOMAD #007

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105211
From: ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker)
Subject: Re: Please tell me they're not permenant scratches!


In a previous article, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) says:

>Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>>Is there a way to wax out a dull finish (minor scrathes)?  While
>>"passngering" on my fiance's Bandit, my hip-pack rubbed against the tail
>>and left a nasty dull finish and teeny scratches. Is there a way to get
>>rid of these?  Buff them out?  Wax them out?
>>help!

Okay, here's what to do.   Get a drill and a sanding disk. Use, say a 
100 disk and go at it at a very low rpm.  If you don't have a drill, try
coarse steel wool and brake fluid.  Dot 4 has an uncanny knack for removing
_any_ paint imperfections.

Oh, I'm not responsible for misuse or miapplication of either of these
techniques.
-- 
DoD #650<----------------------------------------------------------->DarkMan
   The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
      thinking we were at when we created them.   - Albert Einstein
         ___________________The Eternal Champion_________________

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105212
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re:      Re: Well blow me down. yuk,yuk,yuk

In article   <93113.202310C09615BT@wuvmd.wustl.edu>,
         Brad Thone <C09615BT@WUVMD> writes...
>If you haven't done it before, it can be dangerous.  It takes
>some getting used to.  Read Ed's list.

  Yep.  If Ed's list is over 45-degrees, the wind's too strong to ride.  :-)

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "AMERICAN degrees; not European!"	DoD #484

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105213
From: arnie@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Arnie Skurow)
Subject: Re: Black Reflector Tape?

In article <1rckk4INNgub@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM> doc@webrider.central.sun.com
 writes:
>A few months ago, in one the the motorcycle mags, there was
>an article that mentioned reflector tape that was supposed to
>be available thru BMW.  The idea was that the tape would look
>black in sunlight, and reflect in other colors at night to
>
>
>Has anyone come across this from BMW or any other source?
>

Terry McCandlish, president of my local BMW club (Buckeye Beemers)
sells this type of tape.  It comes as a strip approximately 3" x 12"
and can be cut to sizes needed.

You can call Terry at (614) 837-1960 (Columbus, Ohio).

Arnie

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105214
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <6224@catnip.berkeley.ca.us> bandy@catnip.berkeley.ca.us (Andrew Scott Beals -- KC6SSS) writes:
>infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>
>>Since the occurance, I've paid many
>>dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, 
>>and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous
>>assholes like yourself that think your SO above the
>>rest of the world because you've never had your
>>own little DD suaree.
>
>"The devil made me do it!"


Yeah!

I found beelzebub inside a worm...yeah, that's it!

(actually it was vodka - Gordon's if I remember correctly...
I didn't even buy it (of course, that's probably the reason
I drank _so_ much of it that night...never again.)


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105215
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article <jnmoyne-210493143813@moustic.lbl.gov> jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>In article <1r3qeb$k35@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green
>- Pixel Cruncher) wrote:
>> 
>> A bill breezed through the NC House to lower the intoxification level
>> from .1 to .08.  It faces stiff opposition in the Senate.  Recently,
>> the Highway Patrol took a few of the opposition Senators out and gave
>> them some shots, and when they hit .07, put them on a course dodging
>> cones.  They failed, and will probably change their votes as a result.
>
>	    Did they try to do the course before having a few drinks ?
>
>	    I don't see a senator that has is fat but driven around in a limo
>being a good driver no mater how many drinks he has had before.
>
>	    JNM

Yeah, really, no shit!

Like that jerk Loch Faircloth that couldn't win an election
as a democrat so he switches to republican the year before this
past election and takes Terry Sanford out with his bitch
and moan campaigning typical of NC senate/house/gubner races.

I swear, I'd kick Jesse Helms in the head if I ever got the chance.

Maybe then he'd get a fucking clue as to how the rest of
the world lives.

-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105216
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: Why I wanted police officers to answer my posting

You really expect a cop to answer these honestly?

(First you gotta expect a cop to be honest...that's another
story...)

-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105217
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <Stafford-210493125617@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <wrs.4180@wslack.UUCP>, wrs@wslack.UUCP (Bill Slack) wrote:
>
>> Uh, folks, the shaft doesn't have diddleysquatpoop to do with it. I can get
>> the front wheel off the ground on my /5, ferchrissake!
>
>	The statement above is _true_ to the spirit of the list because
>	it is a false statement.  Misinformation: that's the spirit, Bill.
>
>	My /5 will do wheelies because it's a chain drive model.   
>


Wow, is that custom made?

I wish I could get chain drive for my slashfive so
I _too_ can do wheelies and be real squiddly.


-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105218
From: infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
Subject: Re: New to Motorcycles...

Apparently, the only place to take the MSF course around
here in NC is at a community college.

That woudl preclude some sort of state
subsidation, then, no?

-- 
Andy Infante  | You can listen to what everybody says, but the fact remains   |
'71 BMW R60/5 | that you've got to get out there and do the thing yourself.   | 
DoD #2426     |                             -- Joan Sutherland                | 
==============| My opinions, dammit, have nothing to do with anyone else!!!   | 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105219
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: VFR + ST11 Owners get hidden feature

In article <C61r0B.C7@world.std.com>,
	 daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) writes...
]I was enjoying lunch this saturday at foodies in Milford NH with an assortment
]of other nedod folks when Dean Cookson ( yes he has not left the 
]country, yet) mentioned that the wiring diagram of the VFR750 
]shows that  the light switch is a three position switch. 

]high beam
]low beam
]Both beams

]Well the actual ergonomics of the switch make it appear to be a
]2 position switch, but sure enough as Deam expected , when
]you balance the toggle switch in the center position both the high
]and low beams go on.

]This provides a very nice light coverage of the road.

]This is true for the St11 and the VFR750 and I would expect for any 
]other late model Honda with the standard two position light switch.

]Thanks to Dean for reading the schematics, try it you'll like it.

	Be a bit careful doing this; I used to balance the switch on my GS550B
avec Cibie' H4 insert so that both beams were on.  I eventually fried the
main ignition switch, as it wasn't designed to pass that sort of current.

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105220
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <1993Apr22.155542.12457@siemens.co.at>,
mxcrew@mx2306.gud.siemens.co.at (The MX-Crew) wrote:
> 
> Sorry for my stupid question :->, but what do you "americans" mean with
> "shaft-drives". My dictionary knows only strange meanings like:
>    Schaft, Stiel, Pfeil, Strahl, Welle, Deichsel, Schacht.
------------

Shaft: Bamboozle, beat, beguile, burn (or flame), deceive, hoax,
       hoodwink.

Drive: Campaign, crusade, push.

So, 'shaft drive' may be a campaign to decieve or a crusade of beguile,
efforts where are true to the spirit of this list.

Wheel: revolution, swing

Crusaders of beguile are innefective in revolutions and they cannot
swing, either, therefore shaft drives cannot do wheelies.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105221
From: orovner@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Oleg Rovner)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In article <C60n8u.I8y@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> car377@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (charles.a.rogers) writes:
>
>So of the 120 hp produced by my FJ1100 engine, 
>
>      12 hp  * (745.7 watts)/1 hp = 8.948 kilowatts 
>
>is being dumped into 220 leetle tiny o-rings?  That's 40.67 watts per
>o-ring!  Seems a little *hot*, doncha think?
>
>:-O
>Chuck Rogers
>car377@torreys.att.com

So, hey, like, does this work the other way? If I was to like, you
know, strap a generator to my FZJRR11000KRX and route its output to
the chain, could I increase the horsepower? 32 meters a sec is
pretty nice and all, but, I'd still like to be able to blow away 
a Goldwing without going to nitro...


-- 
DoD #388 XJ1100J "Big Maroon" VF700F "L'Audace" 
    Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105222
From: phj@remus.rutgers.edu (P. Ju)
Subject: Re: Yamaha vs Honda opinions

nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes:

>I am in hte market for a new bike (been without for a few years).
>The two main bikes I'm looking at seriously are
>The Yamaha Virago 535 and the Honda Shadow VLX 583. 
>I am leaning towards the Yamaha for its shaft drive, the Honda is Chain.
>Insurance in Fla. is more costly than I thought, so I am staying in this
>power range. Thanks in advance for any opinions and or experiences

A friend of mine (who's probably reading this right now) just bought a new
Yamaha Virago 750.  After spending 1-2 hours very late one chilly evening
watching him struggle with the bolts (had to remove the right peg, loosen
the brake pedal, &c. &c.) I've pretty much decided never to get this
particular model unless he or someone else wants to change the oil/filter
for me.  Compared to the 5-minute change he was used to for his Honda, this
is just a design flaw/oversight in my eyes.


Patricia
phj@remus.rutgers.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105223
From: phj@remus.rutgers.edu (P. Ju)
Subject: Re: Help! Which bikes are short?

bean@ra.cgd.ucar.edu (Gregory Bean) writes:

>Help!  I've got a friend shopping for her first motorcycle.  This is great!
>Unfortunately, she needs at most a 28" seat.  This is not great.  So far,
>the only thing we've found was an old and unhappy-looking KZ440.

I have been checking out bikes (hoping for lowish seats) for a few weeks.  A
Honda Twinstar (250cc) fit me well, a Honda Hawk (400cc) did not, the
Kawasaki 250HB/SB/SH? (can't remember) looked like it would fit me well but
the price tag was way too large...

>I seem to remember a thread with a point similar to this passing through
>several months ago.  Did anybody keep that list?

Please post this list or mail me one too!

(:

Patricia
phj@remus.rutgers.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105224
From: csundh30@ursa.calvin.edu (Charles Sundheim)
Subject: Re: Maxima Chain wax Wheelies

ak296@yfn.ysu.edu (John R. Daker) writes:

>I would like to offocially nominate Maxima Chain Wax as another
>Official (tm) DoD product of choice.


Is there an "official DoD products-of-choice" list?  If so would the 
appropriate party please post it.  

-Erc.

p.s. If its in the FAQ, keep them to yourself-- I got plenty.  
     Maybe I'll go recheck them now, just to be sure

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105225
From: mtaffe@sdcc3.ucsd.edu (Michael Taffe)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article <bbnv8cq@quantum.qnx.com> dagibbs@quantum.qnx.com (David Gibbs) writes:
>
>But, on a similar note; for a while I drove a 1976 VW Wesfalia -- this
>is their camper van conversion.  I found that other drivers of this
>same model would wave to me, and I waved back.  Maybe its because we
>were all driving a funny looking vehicle?
>
No, it is more because van drivers need a little support for driving
such underpowered pathetic and truly utilitarian vehicles.  Me and
my '71 used to wave and be waved at all across the country between
NH and CO.  Now that we live in So. Cal., though, I find you'd have
to damn near wave your arm off to keep up with all the van drivers!
This is truly vee-dub heaven.

peace,
Taffe

-- 
Mike Taffe	*  Disclaim This! 
mtaffe@ucsd.edu	*  

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105226
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

In article <C5w18w.DpD@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
>
>"Eat the peach", two guys build a wall of death to alleviate boredom, get 
>mixed up with the IRA in the process.

   An excellent movie.  Not essentially about motorcycles, but
a very poignant look at life in rural Ireland.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105227
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Volvo Attack!

In article <BD.93Apr21150413@bd.UUCP> bd%fluent@dartmouth.EDU writes:
>cookson@mbunix.mitre.org (Cookson) writes:
>
>>Where can I get rocket launchers for the VFR?
>
>BATF is having a fire sale in Waco, TX.  Try there.

   You might try the rec.models.rockets newsgroup.  Interesting stuff,
some of it should probably be classified as artillery.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105228
From: davet@interceptor.cds.tek.com (Dave Tharp CDS)
Subject: Re: Looking for MOVIES w/ BIKES

"Silver Dream Racer" -- Frustrated Brit club racer's buddy dies,
leaving him a built-in-garage "revolutionary, experimental" 500 GP bike.
Brit club racer uses machine to beat Bad American on Bad Japanese
Factory Bike at British GP.  Filmed at Silverstone, I believe.  Pretty
bad.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Dave Tharp                      | DoD #0751   | "You can't wear out       |
| davet@interceptor.CDS.TEK.COM   | MRA #151    |   an Indian Scout,        |
| '88 K75S  '48 Indian Chief      | AHRMA #751  |  Or its brother the Chief.|
| '75 R90S(#151) '72 TR-2B(#751)  | AMA #524737 |  They're built like rocks |
| '65 R50/2/Velorex  '57 NSU Max  |             |   to take the knocks,     |
|       1936 BMW R12              | (Compulsive | It's the Harleys that     |
| My employer has no idea.        |   Joiner)   |   give you grief."        |
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105229
From: Catherine Barbara Saum <cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Magnetic tank bags


What about disks?  Won't it erase them if you're carrying them in the bag?

-Cathy
***********************************************************
Cathy Saum ............................cs20+@andrew.cmu.edu 
1252 S. Negley Ave.#2................'82 Yamaha  SECA XJ650
Pgh, PA 15217................'73 CL450 (custom wooden tank) 
Studio:............................'64 1/2 Mustang (351 V8) 
(412)521-0363......DoD # supercalifragilisticexpealidotious        
*********************************************************** 
"What we see is what we know, but what we feel is who we are. What we
feel is what nobody can ever take away."                  
 -T.M. McNally
 UNTIL YOUR HEART STOPS


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105230
From: mgarber@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (THE HYPEMAN)
Subject: ++ANY USED GSX-R 750s FOR SALE?++


I recently sold my Nighthawk in order to upgrade to a zippy little sport
bike.  I am, however, partial to the bigger zippy bikes like the GSX-R 750.

There is only one in my town for sale, and he is not sure whether he wants
to part with it or not!

Please send me email if you would like to sell yours, know of one for sale,
or could just offer details on the performance of yours even if you wouldn't
sell.

I appreciate any help!

THE HYPEMAN
-- 
1983 Pontiac 2000 SE   1986 Mercury Topaz GS    Looking for a bike!
    'BABY BOOOM'         'MRS. BABY BOOOM'        GSX-R 750/1100 ??
 UNDER MODIFICATION      Under Construction         CBR 600f2    ??SHE Likes!
       'HIS'                   'HERS'                VFR750F     ??

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105231
From: ma13scf@sdcc14.ucsd.edu (Rhett Barnes)
Subject: ZX-11 Help!

I need help getting my ZX-11 (C3) to behave.  I've managed to get
the front suspension to be very happy, but the rear sucks.  I can't
do anything with it to make it feel ok.  The bike is very stable
through the corners (I think because I have the front just right),
but when the straights get bumpy the rear is torturous.  It feels
like it actually amplifies the bumps.  And the damping doesn't seem
to do anything in real-life, although you can tell the difference
when the bike isn't moving.  I've tried 4-5 cm of sag (from
completeley unloaded), but I don't know which way to go.  Has anyone
gotten the rear of this bike comfortable?  And if so, what kind of
settings (esp. what sag) did you use.  I like to corner, but I also
would like my kidneys to remain intact.  This thing makes the new
ZX-7 feel comfy....

rbarnes@sdcc13.ucsd.edu


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105232
From: dsc3jfs@nmrdc1.nmrdc.nnmc.navy.mil (Jim Small)
Subject: Re: Your opinion and what it means to me.

In article <13608@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante) writes:
>
>Since the occurance, I've paid many
>dollars in renumerance, taken the drunk class, 
>and, yes, listened to all the self-righteous
>assholes like yourself that think your SO above the
>rest of the world because you've never had your
>own little DD suaree.

Some of us aren't that fucking stupid you cock sucking asshole.  That's why
we haven't had our own little DD suaree.  I'm soo impressed that you've had
to spend your own precious little dollars  to make up for your own stupid
act.  Now go fuck off.



Friends killed by Drunk Driving Assholes like Andress Infante:  2
Children friends orphaned by Drunk Driving Assholes like Infante: 2



Now who's the self-righteous asshole, you weak willed fuck head?


>
-- 
I hate the 3B2
The 3B2 can bite me.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105233
From: mfox@nyx.cs.du.edu (mark fox)
Subject: Re: Battery storage -- why not charge and store dry?


     Quite right, your batteries should be perfectly alright and retain
most of their charge if drained and dried well, but I'd throw out the
electrolyte and buy some more when you need it.


     And before anyone says I'm wrong, remember that new batteries almost
always come ready charged and dry, and they are perfectly OK even after
several years' storage at the shop.

Mark Fox


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105234
From: ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

Allan Hatcher (ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu) wrote:
: Well, here goes.  After lurking for a LONG time, I'll announce myself. Yes, I'm
: the enemy. The enemy that also happens to ride an "arrest me red" 90 VFR. 

I don't generally consider police officers "the enemy".  I hope you don't
think bikers in general have that attitude.  Stereotypes suck either way.

:  I'll entertain questions but my answers will reflect Georgia law and may not   
:  apply in your state.  
:   
:   P.S.  Anyone got a Nomex suit for sale?

You shouldn't get flamed for being a cop.  I can't promise you won't because
there are jerks on this newsgroup same as any other, but if you've been 
lurking for a while you already know that.  You might get lots of flames
if you try to convince people that you know more than them just because you
have a badge.  And of course, you will get a moderate amount of flamage
just for expressing an opinion, no matter what the opinion is *somebody*
will flame you for it.
   So, have you ordered any official DoD paraphenalia yet?  Wristwatch,
bandana, patches?  Tell your boss your going undercover with a real
badass biker gang. :-)
--
*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va.  *
*******************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105235
From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (RPH)
Subject: Re: Dyna-S vs. Crane

In article <C5qpzo.HDq@cbnewsm.cb.att.com>
shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:

> I plan to switch to a single fire ignition in about a month and was
> curious if anyone has experience with the supposedly new Crane single
> fire that competes with the Dyna-S.  The club wrench (not the wench) has
> done Dyna-S modules for several friends and I'll get one also unless
> a bunch of folks say the Crane is better.
> 
> One guy just installed the MC Power Arc ignition but has not yet
> reported the results.  It was not a simple bolt-in replacement as new 
> mounting holes had to be drilled.
> 
> I recognize it's more fun to discuss why Chris needed to change brands of
> penis enhancer but how 'bout some comments on single fire ignitions for
> a while...

I just installed a MC Power Arc II, and it seems to run great. I also
used MC coils, and neither the ignition module or the coils required
any new mounting holes to be drilled on my 92 FXSTC. A little soldering
and all was fine. Static timing was real easy to set too. 

On the other side of the coin, my local wrench, whose opinion I
invariably seek but don't always adopt, thinks MC Power Arc is a "piece
of shit" and says "all them Jap chips are gonna fail you one day". 
Needless to say, he doesn't like any electronic ignition modules, and
recommends the Dyna-S system. I think that's the one with the
Hall-effect timing sensor(s), correct?

Russ Hughes  '92 FXSTC  DoD# 6022(10E20)
"the chrome and steel she rides.....collidin' with the very air she
breathes..."
              -- N. Young 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105236
From: parr@acs.ucalgary.ca (Charles Parr)
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>

In article <1993Apr20.045032.9199@research.nj.nec.com> behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.204159.17534@bnr.ca> Dave Dal Farra <gpz750@bnr.ca> writes:
>>Reminds me of a great editorial by Bruce Reeve a couple months ago
>>in Cycle Canada.
>>
>>He was so pissed off with cops pulling over speeders in dangerous
>>spots (and often blind corners) that one day he decided to get
>>revenge.
>>
>>Cruising on a factory loaner ZZR1100 test bike, he noticed a cop 
>>had pulled over a motorist on an on or off ramp with almost no
>>shoulder.  Being a bright lad, he hit his bike's kill switch
>>just before passing the cop, who happened to be bending towards
>>the offending motorist there-by exposing his glutes to the
>>passing world.
>>
>>With his ignition system now dead, he pumped his throtle two
>>or three times to fill his exhaust canister's with volatile raw fuel.
>>
>>All it took was a stab at the kill switch to re-light the ignition
>>and send a 10' flame in Sargeant Swell's direction.
>>
>>I wonder if any cycle cops read Cycle Canada?
>
>	Although I agree with the spirit of the action, I do hope that
>the rider ponied up the $800 or so it takes to replace the exhaust system
>he just destroyed.  The owner's manual explicitly warns against such
>behavior for exactly that reason:  you can destroy your muflers that way.

One more good reason for straight pipes or megaphones;-)

Regards, Charles
DoD0.001
RZ350

Ps: Does anyone know if Opti oils sells direct by the case load?
My loacl dealership is charging 12.99 for a jug of injector oil,
and it's breaking me;-)

-- 
Within the span of the last few weeks I have heard elements of
separate threads which, in that they have been conjoined in time,
struck together to form a new chord within my hollow and echoing
gourd. --Unknown net.person

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105237
Subject: Re:  Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <13714@news.duke.edu>, infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew  Infante)
wrote:
> >	My /5 will do wheelies because it's a chain drive model.   
> >
> 
> Wow, is that custom made?

	No, it is the stock setup.  Someone really ought to put an end
	to the confusion regarding BMW's chain drive boxers.  Didn't
	someone post the FAQ on this some time ago?  In essence, it
	describes the problem BMW is having with their decision to
	settle down to a shaft drive as a standard.  They vacilate
	and persist in reintroducing the chain drive in various
	models.  (R/C)  Gosh.  Well, on with the crusade!

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105238
Subject: Re: Zeno's Countersteering Paradox Unveiled!!!
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <1993Apr26.002631.1@acfcluster.nyu.edu>,
mullignj@acfcluster.nyu.edu wrote:
> 
>[...]  Therefore, there is a point
> in time when even though my front wheel is turned to the right 
> I must be going straight ahead (the point when I go from the right
> turn to the left).  [...]

	What you are trying to describe is that transition point where
	the front wheel actually reverses direction; turns backwards.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105239
From: nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby)
Subject: Re: Two Beemer Questions (R80GS)

In article <1993Apr23.224045.22287@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> asphaug@lpl.arizona.edu (Erik Asphaug x2773) writes:
>Hello Folks,
>
>I'm very happy with my "new" R80GS.  My range is 238 miles on 4.8 gallons...
>that's 50 mpg!!  Surprisingly, the bike is a real cruiser.  I was expecting
>something rough.   She's a sweet backroad honey.  And I can go pretty much
>anyplace I'd take my mountain bike.  As far as shaft effect, it's more a 
>torque effect from the crankshaft in my opinion.  Rev it sitting still
>(when the driveshaft is not moving) and the bike twists a bit.  Maybe

If the clutch is in, then a large chunk of counter-rotating mass is not
rotating.  Hence, at a light, reving makes it twist.  Shaft effect is the
rear end rising under power or (the real problem) getting lower to the road
when the throttle is snapped shut (say when you are cornering and the heads
are real close to the road).  New GS bikes with the paralever shaft have
almost no shaft effect.

>I don't ride her fast enough to get a shaft effect, but in my opinion
>a little buffeting by wind is of far greater consequence.  Okay, here are 
>my questions:
>
>1) Any recommendations for a home-made fairing?  I'd like to keep the
>wind off my chest, and perhaps my helmet, for comfort at highway speeds
>(70 mph), yet don't want to (a) screw up the stability or (b) block my
>vision too much for trail riding.  Anybody have luck with two-piece 
>detachible fairings?  I'd like to make it myself out of plexiglas.

>2) I run two lights, the standard headlamp plus a sidelamp mounted on the
>crash bar.  The illumination's excellent that way, with a full beam coming
>out from the level of the motor (left side); the lamp beam is linear so
>that you get a bright streak of illumination from left to right, and it 
>really picks up the periphery (deer lurking, etc.)  Combined with the 
>headlamp on high you can see like day.  But I've heard that BMW alternators
>don't crank out too much.  Do I need to shut down the sidelamp when I'm
>puttering around in the dirt at low RPM?  

It's a question of how long you spend at low RPM and how much you need the
extra light.  At low RPM, 3K and under, they don't charge all that much if
at all.  The alternators put out sufficient wattage, it just that you need
to be at 4K RPM to get it.  

>3) This is embarassing: I'm having trouble starting the bike first thing
>in the morning.  I invariably flood the carbs, then go in and read a section
>of the paper, and then she starts right up.  Is this a Zen thing? 

Full choke.  Open the gas taps.  Hit the starter and ever so slightly blip the
throttle.  It should fire.  Cranking should be done with minimal throttle.
My R100 likes the throttles to be raised just a bit off idle.

It's an EXPERIENCE thing.  Like Zen, it's hard to describe.  It can be hard
to learn if you aren't paying atttention to the differences between success
and failure.  Especially if you get really pissed off and flatten the
battery while trying to get it to run.

If my bike has been sitting for a few weeks, I give it a short while to
start.  If it doesn't, I turn it off and wait a few minutes for things to
vaporize in the fuel system and then it lights right off.  I've got dual
plugs which make it easier to start.

>4) The Hayne's manual says do not under any circumstances use gasoline
>with alcohol additives... Yeah, right.  What do you folks due to keep
>the engine and carbs from being eaten by ethanol and methanol?  Any 
>particular brands of gas that are best?  Additives?

The BIG fix is the Bing carb upgrade kit.  It's good for a few MPG and the
parts are alcohol proof.  The parts it replaces aren't alcohol proof.  As
long as the bike isn't going to sit for long periods of time, gasohol is
nice since it helps keep ping away.  If your bike doesn't ping on cheap gas
you ought to raise the compression! (Half a smiley, the BMW twins of the
80s and beyond have lowered compression to keep the EPA happy.  Dual plugs
and higher compression give back a big chunk of the lost perfomance).

Neil Kirby      DoD #0783       nak@archie.cbusa.att.com
AT&T Bell Labs  Columbus OH     USA (614) 860-5304
If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105240
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Good Reasons to Wave at each other

In article 2266@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>> 
>
>Has anyone, while driving a cage, ever waved at bikers? I get the urge,
>but I've never actually done it.

Neigh on every day.  Most don't notice.

>Let's see how many posts it takes for someone to selectively quote this article

In article 2266@rd.hydro.on.ca, jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
>
>Has anyone,  ever  done it?

What do I win?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105241
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for

In article i8n@agate.berkeley.edu, manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
>
>>Motorcycles are not allowed on th 17 mile drive at pebble Beach.
>
>what?
>
>are there posted signs?
>
>what do they cite you for?

They don't.  It's a closed access road, you pay to get in (if you don't
have a resident sticker), and they simply don't open the gates if
you're on a bike.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105242
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...

In article 210493143813@moustic.lbl.gov, jnmoyne@lbl.gov (Jean-Noel Moyne) writes:
>> 
>> Recently,
>> the Highway Patrol took a few of the opposition Senators out and gave
>> them some shots, and when they hit .07, put them on a course dodging
>> cones.  They failed, and will probably change their votes as a result.
>
>	    Did they try to do the course before having a few drinks ?

Dunno, the newpaper article I read didn't say (I was wondering the same
thing).  I rather doubt it... 


---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105243
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
From: Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford)

In article <735660736snz@morgan.demon.co.uk>, tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony
Kidson) wrote:
> 
> Well maintained chains, running in oil, without those little rubber 'O' rings 
> to cause frictional losses, might reach 99% efficiency.  The average open to 
> the dust 'O' ring motorcycle chain probably has a difficult job making 90% 
> efficient.
> 

	How about some citations or is this just impressionistic speculation
	on your part?

 For 30 years I've been laboring under the delusion that chain drives
	were more efficient that shaft drives.  Chain drives are also stronger.
	(Ever seen a successful shaftie dragster?  No.)

	No flames, please!  I've got both kinds of drives.

====================================================
John Stafford   Minnesota State University @ Winona
                    All standard disclaimers apply.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105244
Subject: Re: Ignition problem 
From: manolo@taf.fundesco.es (Manuel.Arrevola)

snark@bmerh327.BNR.CA (Eric Nelson) writes:
: My 83 Nighthawk has two (related?) problems with the ignition system:
: 
:   - it won't start when on cold mornings ( 10 C, 50 F or so)
:   - I always need to give it gas when starting it, even when using
:     the clutch.
: 
:   This all still happens after a tune-up and a new battery, 
:   any ideas on what could be wrong with the bike?

I think you have the choke (starter) jet blocked and even the idle one.
--
Manuel Arrevola Velasco			||| e-mail: manolo@taf.fundesco.es |||
Fundesco				ZX-11
Calle Alcala, 61			DR-600-S
28014-Madrid				DoD #1033
Tel. 341-4351214			"Don't waste your time, express it"

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105245
From: wba2320@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: 1st time Biker iso ADVICE


I'm just starting out with motorcycles,  I've read up on the subject a bit,
talked to many of my friends who own/ride bikes and encourage me to do the
same.  But when I ask about what kind of bike i should be looking at... i get
varied answers.


I'm 6'3", about 230#, large/athletic build...  I suppose that would help to
determine the size bike i'd want.  I want something that's going to be fast and
powerful enough to satisfy certain cravings once i'm used to it.  I also want
something that is not going to be like a bronc my first time out.  Any ideas?!  




Bill

replys are prefered through e-mail.  thanks in advance.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105246
From: nak@cbnews.cb.att.com (neil.a.kirby)
Subject: Re: VFR + ST11 Owners get hidden feature

WARNING WARNING MAY CAUSE UNPLEASANTNESS!

In article <C61r0B.C7@world.std.com> daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) writes:
> I was enjoying lunch this saturday at foodies in Milford NH with an assortment
>of other nedod folks when Dean Cookson ( yes he has not left the 
>country, yet) mentioned that the wiring diagram of the VFR750 
>shows that  the light switch is a three position switch. 
>
>high beam
>low beam
>Both beams
>
>
>Well the actual ergonomics of the switch make it appear to be a
>2 position switch, but sure enough as Deam expected , when
>you balance the toggle switch in the center position both the high
>and low beams go on.
>
>This provides a very nice light coverage of the
>road.
>
>This is true for the St11 and the VFR750 and I would expect for any 
>other late model Honda with the standard two position light switch.
>

It's a "make before break" type of switch.  If not required, it ought to be
for high-low beams.  

There might be a wee problem with this.  If you use both filaments at the
same time, the bulb is tossing out a great deal more heat than normal.
Possibly enough to shorten it's life span.  My Honda CRX cage [a cage that
really wanted to be a bike] had wimpy stock lights.  So we used to run
around with both beams on.  Made a mucho big difference - until both low
beam filaments died nearly simultaneously!  This was two weeks after
finding out how nice it was to use both beams.  I replaced the lights with
quartz-halogen lights and that ended the problem.

Neil Kirby      DoD #0783       nak@archie.cbusa.att.com
AT&T Bell Labs  Columbus OH     USA (614) 860-5304
If you think I speak for AT&T you might have more lawyers than sense.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105247
From: james@mintaka.sdsu.edu (Michael James)
Subject: **Suzuki GR650 for sale**

[ Article crossposted from sdnet.forsale,rec.motocycle ]
[ Author was Michael James ]
[ Posted on 21 Apr 1993 15:39:50 GMT ]


I must sell my motorcycle...:(  it is a '83 GR650, Tempter.
It has 20K miles and runs well.  
Includes a cover and tank bag..

I'm asking $700 for it all. 

E-mail me if you want to take a look at it.

--
********************************************************************************  Michael James                   james@mintaka.sdsu.edu         
  PA-128			  	594-2469 
  					294-9845(H)	
********************************************************************************

--
********************************************************************************
	Michael James				james@mintaka.sdsu.edu
	PA-128					594-2469
	(still no neat .sig -- oh well.)
********************************************************************************

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105248
From: eerik@iastate.edu (Eerik J. Villberg)
Subject: Re: What octane ?

What about ethanol?  It's available here in corn country and its octane is
rated at 89 or 90 and costs the same as "normal" 87 octane.

-- 
Eerik J. Villberg                     **  P people for the
eerik@iastate.edu                     **  E eating of
4208 Harris Street                    **  T tasty
Ames Ia  50010                        **  A animals

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105249
From: klinger@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Jorg Klinger)
Subject: Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies

In <3880218@hpcc01.corp.hp.com> gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Graeme Harrison) writes:

>/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / xlyx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu /  2:48 pm  Apr 19, 1993 /
>Is it possible to do a "wheelie" on a motorcycle with shaft-drive?

>Mike Terry
>'82 Virago
>----------
>I've seen 'em, but the real question is, can one do a wheelie on a Lead Wing?
>If so, how high would the front wheel be off the ground? 

>Graeme Harrison 

  There was a guy around here who would do them on an early pre fairing
Wing with a Hannigan. He would get it right up and ride a ways. Pretty
intimidating sight. 

  He was real good. He had to be. I guess you wouldn't get away with
chopping the throttle more than once.

__
   Jorg Klinger            |       GSXR1100        | If you only new who
   Arch. & Eng. Services   |"Lost Horizons"  CR500 | I think I am. 
   UManitoba, Man. Ca.     |"The Embalmer"   IT175 |           - anonymous

                                --Squidonk--       














Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105250
From: npet@bnr.ca (Nick Pettefar)
Subject: Re: Type spesifications (CB, VFR, GT, etc.)

Victor Johnson, on the Thu, 22 Apr 1993 00:01:10 GMT wibbled:
: In rec.motorcycles, cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:

: > In article <C5sK1D.C1p@srgenprp.sr.hp.com> frankb@sad.hp.com (Frank Ball) writes:
: > }Honda:  a "V" designates a V engine street bike. "VF" for V-4, "VT" for V-twin.
: > 
: > So how about my Honda Hawk (NT 650)? It's a twin, but not called a VT.
: > -- 

:   That's because they took the old VT 500 engine and stepped on it to make
:   the plant for the Hawk -> "New Twin".  Or does that only fly for Microsoft
:   NT (New Technology)?

:   I've been at this too long today ...

:   Cheers,
:   Victor "Dances with Hawks" Johnson
:   ----------------------------------


Also the BMW stuff.  K100RS.  K = Kraut, RS = Really Slow,  100, I
suppose that's how much you have to spend each week to keep the damn
thing on the road.
--

Nick (the Pissed Off With His Bike Again Biker)   DoD 1069   Concise Oxford

M'Lud.
                                   
Nick Pettefar, Contractor@Large.  /~~~\   "Teneo tuus intervallum"
Cuurrently incarcerated at BNR,  {-O^O-}   npet@bnr.ca  '86 BMW K100RS "Kay"
Maidenhead, The United Kingdom.   \ o /    Pres. PBWASOH(UK),  BS 0002
                                   (-

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105251
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: Dogs vs. Bikes


My first encounter with a dog chasing after my bike was on my first poker run.
A big german shepard ran out into the pack of bikes I was riding with and tried 
to bite the right leg of the guy riding in front of me. He kicked the dog a 
couple of times (we were all only going about 10-15mph) and just made the dog
angrier and got away by applying WFO and outrunning the dog who then started
after yours truly. At the time, I had open drag pipes (obnoxiously loud as hell)
and as soon as the dog was about 2 feet away from the right side of my bike, I
pulled in the clutch and revved the motor up to about 5000rpm and the roar of
the pipes frightened the dog away (probably made the dog's ears hurt like hell)
and he didn't come back for the rest of the bikers behind me either. 

My second encounter was with an already deceased road-kill dog. I wasn't paying 
very close attention to the pavement when the car in front of me straddled the
carcass. I looked down just in time to see what I was about to run over so I 
just held onto the handlebars and freaked out. Both wheels went squarely over
the dog's belly with a thump-thump just like running over a piece of a 4x4
lumber. The bike didn't lose any stability at all and I kept on going. After
I got to my destination, I found bits of fur, meat, and blood stuck to
the bottom of my motor and frame...... gross.
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
	      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105252
From: irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Irwin Arnstein)
Subject: Re: DoD Confessional

In article <1993Apr21.053721.551@bnr.ca> MBEAVING@BNR.CA writes:
>I can't help myself.
>I've tried to be rational, 
>to look the other way,
>but everytime it happens, 
>its uncontrollable.
>
>I hate pre'80s motorcycles.
>
 crud deleted... 
>-- 
>===================================================
>= The Beav |Mike Beavington| Dod:9733             =
>= V65Sabre     mbeaving@bnr.ca                    =
>= My employer has no idea what I'm talking about! =
>===================================================

You are missing out on a lot of neat old rides.
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Tuba" (Irwin)      "I honk therefore I am"     CompuTrac-Richardson,Tx
irwin@cmptrc.lonestar.org    DoD #0826          (R75/6)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105253
From: svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda)
Subject: Re: where to put your helmet

In article <10498.97.uupcb@compdyn.questor.org> ryan_cousineau@compdyn.questor.org (Ryan Cousineau)  writes:
|
|Another good place for your helmet is your mirror (!). I kid you not. If
|you own a typical standard or other bike with fairly average mirrors
|that screw into your handlebars, your helmet should fit over your mirror
|and be fairly stable. 

BUTT, BUTT, THEN YU W0NT BE ABLE T0 $EE THE CAR$ $NEAK!G UP BEHIND YU AND
P0P A WHHHEEEEELLLLEEEEE T0 D!TCHUM AND THE CHICK$ DIG IT!

Seriously, though, putting a helmet on a mirror is inadvisable because
you are then resting the weight of the helmet on the fragile foam
liner that is expected to cushion your noggin.  And once crushed, that
foam never pops back.

A variation of mirror hanging thing is what I do; with the bike on the
sidestand (hey, the centerstand is for maintenance) I turn the wheel to
the stop (left) and can hang the helmet by the chin-bar on the right
grip.  There is no crushable foam in the chin-bar, and it is pretty
secure on there (as long as the forks are locked).  If I have to leave
the helmet with the parked bike (and the bags aren't on/full), that is
about the most stable place.

Dave Svoboda (svoboda@void.rtsg.mot.com)    | "I'm getting tired of
90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!)              |  beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!)              |  You never learn."
AMA 583905  DoD #0330  COG 939  (Chicago)   |  -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105254
From: neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org (Neal Howard)
Subject: Re: CB750 C with flames out the exhaust!!!!---->>>


Hey, the Lone Biker of the Apocalypse (see Raising Arizona) had flames coming
out of both his exhaust pipes. I love to toggle the kill switch on my Sportster
to produce flaming backfires, especially underneath overpasses at night (it's
loud and lights up the whole underpass!!!
-- 
=============================================================================
Neal Howard   '91 XLH-1200      DoD #686      CompuTrac, Inc (Richardson, TX)
	      doh #0000001200   |355o33|      neal@cmptrc.lonestar.org
	      Std disclaimer: My opinions are mine, not CompuTrac's.
         "Let us learn to dream, gentlemen, and then perhaps
          we shall learn the truth." -- August Kekule' (1890)
=============================================================================

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105255
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: funny thing happened on the way to the hon

In article 0@elan.rowan.edu, cassidy@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy) writes:
>...and i see that for the past 30 miles 
>i've been riding with my side stand down. OOPS!

And who was it that insisted sidestand cutout switches were right up
there with tachometers, something like a curse from God?

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105256
From: keith@balrog.dseg.ti.com (Keith A. Schauer)
Subject: Re: Riceburner Respect

In article <C5qIwz.DJM@cbnewsm.cb.att.com> shz@mare.att.com (Keeper of the 'Tude) writes:
>
>The only consolation was that she had trouble scraping together the $35
>while $500 is not quite one week's beer money for me...
>
>- Roid

	Well know I know how you can afford a Harley.

-- 
Keith Schauer		Texas Instruments	Plain O, Texas
80 CB900 Custom		
DoD #0901		In an insane society, the sane man must appear insane.
AMA			My company disavows any knowledge of my actions.

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105257
From: gea4@quads.uchicago.edu (gerardo enrique arnaez)
Subject: which is the better bike?


I am looking at the honda shadow 11000 and the intruder 800 or 1400? what have you heard about these bikes?

also, if I plan on doing long-time riding are these twin-V cruisers the best bikes to get, if I dont want something massive like the goldwings?



Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105258
From: rtaraz@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (Ramin Taraz)
Subject: Re: '93 Wing Ding?


>>>>> On Wed, 21 Apr 1993 22:22:06 GMT, franks@hercules.cs.uregina.ca (Derek Franks) said:

franks> This is my first post, so no DoD#.

Would you like to know what DOD is?  If you do, feel free to ask.

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|   tank and    |                 1988 EX500                    | a good day| |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105259
From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?

In article <1r6ob9$oav@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
[...]
>And of course, you will get a moderate amount of flamage
>just for expressing an opinion, no matter what the opinion is *somebody*
>will flame you for it.
[...]
>* Bill Ranck             (703) 231-9503                     Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
[...]

"Hey, what the hell do you mean by that?  You suck.  I have a god-given
right to express opinions, carry a gun and to not wear a helmet, goddamn 
it. Everything you stand for is STUPID."




You know, Alan, I really like this one.


-----
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105260
From: egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green - Pixel Cruncher)
Subject: Re: Countersteering sans Hands

In article 29910@rtsg.mot.com, svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>
>Well, as many a bored bike tourer can tell you, the way to steer
>sans hans is to push your body off to the side you want to lean.

Also known as, "leaning."

>Say you want to turn left....
[severely confused rambling about the ground pushing...] 
>but the front wheel has trail.  If the ground pushes the front wheel 
>toward the left at the contact patch, the trail will cause the 
>wheel to turn to the right.  Hey, there we are.  No-hands counter-
>steering.

Contersteering refers to pushing the inside handlebar to effect a
lean.  No-hands countersteering is an oxymoron.

---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
  Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM   |and I showed him a picture of you.  I said,
DoD #0111  (919)460-8302  |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
 (The Grateful Dead) -->  |It seemed like the least I could do...


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105261
From: Russell.P.Hughes@dartmouth.edu (RPH)
Subject: Bub Pipes! Live Free, with Variable Loudness!

After failing my State of New Hampshire Noise Gestapo test with my HD
Slash cut pipes I installed my new Bubs (which I had been planning to
do anyway), went to a different in spection station, and passed with no
problem at about 97 dB.

Two points:

First, I don't think the first dude did the noise test correctly. 
Holding the meter close to his body probably caused a high reading, and
doing it inside the garage with the door closed undoubtedly enhanced
the dB level! So if any other NH riders need to get this done, make
sure the inspection is done outdoors with the meter held well away from
the body.

Second, these Bub pipes are bloody terrific. At low revs or cruising
through town, they as quiet as the stock pipes, but have a sound thats
a more throaty, purring, rumble.  When you open her up to >3000 RPM
they emit a wonderfully satisfying rumbling roar. Best of both worlds!

Russ Hughes  '92 FXSTC  DoD# 6022(10E20)
"the chrome and steel she rides.....collidin' with the very air she
breathes..."
              -- N. Young 

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105262
From: robinson@cogsci.Berkeley.EDU (Michael Robinson)
Subject: Re: Need advice for riding with someone on pillion

In article <1993Apr21.234006.1627@microsoft.com> patlo@microsoft.com (Pat Loughery) writes:
>Also, remember that it's much more draining and tiring to ride 2-up
>than by yourself, because you're concentrating on much more, and
>"in the Zen of the moment" less.  Remember this.

The first few times I pillioned someone whose safety was a great concern to
me (as opposed to brothers, etc.), I almost got us both killed on several
occasions.

I was surprised to discover that it is much safer to just drive than to
distract yourself by trying to be unusually cautious and concerned.  Abruptly
adopting a novel set of thought patterns and riding strategies while piloting
a bike is just asking for trouble.



-- 
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  Michael Robinson                          UUCP:   ucbvax!cogsci!robinson
                                        INTERNET: robinson@cogsci.berkeley.edu

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105263
From: aa963@Freenet.carleton.ca (Lloyd Carr)
Subject: Re: Yamaha vs Honda opinions


In a previous article, phj@remus.rutgers.edu (P. Ju) says:

>nuet_ke@pts.mot.com (KEITH NUETZMAN X3153 P7625) writes:
>
>A friend of mine (who's probably reading this right now) just bought a new
>Yamaha Virago 750.  After spending 1-2 hours very late one chilly evening
>watching him struggle with the bolts (had to remove the right peg, loosen
>the brake pedal, &c. &c.) I've pretty much decided never to get this
>particular model unless he or someone else wants to change the oil/filter
>for me.  Compared to the 5-minute change he was used to for his Honda, this
>is just a design flaw/oversight in my eyes.
>
>
>Patricia
>phj@remus.rutgers.edu
>
Sure don't know what bike was being worked on but it sure wasn't a
Virago.  I've owned both the 750 and 1100 and you can do the filter
change in about 5 mins and nothing has to be removed.  Obviously the
"new" bike was modified as the stock machine is simple to work on.
  Watching for imitators!!
-- 
Lloyd  -- aa963@freenet.carleton.ca
  Carr -- carr@uranus.dgrc.doc.ca     DoD # 0814  
 ve3fhc@ve3osq.amrp.org.#eon.on.can.ca

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105380
From: Wayne.Orwig@AtlantaGA.NCR.COM  (Wayne Orwig)
Subject: Re: Battery storage -- why not charge and store dry?

In Article <1993Apr22.184906.24025@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> "mfox@nyx.cs.du.edu (mark fox)" says:
> 
>      Quite right, your batteries should be perfectly alright and retain
> most of their charge if drained and dried well, but I'd throw out the
> electrolyte and buy some more when you need it.
> 
> 
>      And before anyone says I'm wrong, remember that new batteries almost
> always come ready charged and dry, and they are perfectly OK even after
> several years' storage at the shop.
> 
> Mark Fox
> 
> 
Makes sense to me, after all when steel is manufactured and stored they
put oil on it so it won't rust. Logicaly, when you store your bike, you
must strip the paint and put oil on the metal to prevent rus

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105381
From: manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes)
Subject: 1988 BMW K75S For Sale

3500 miles, black leather tank bra, tank bag, Corbin seat, Metzler 'B'
tires.  Garaged and pampered.  I can't afford to continue paying NYC garage
fees for two bikes so one of 'em has to go.

Best offer above $4500 takes it.

-- 
Stephen Manes					   manes@magpie.linknet.com
Manes and Associates				   New York, NY, USA  =o&>o


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105517
From: azw@aber.ac.uk(Andy Woodward)
Subject: Re: dogs


>OOOOOOOpsssss. For a second there I thought I was in rec.beatthelivingcrapoutofadog

We're NOT???! Hell, I was wondering why there was all the pointless woffle 
about motorcycles. 

So how do I find rec.beatthelivingcrapoutofadog? I dont think our system
takes it.




Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105558
From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias)
Subject: Re: Advantages of Slip-Ons

In article <1993Apr26.222354.6397@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> dschlot@pioneer.arc.nasa.gov (Dave Schlotthauer) writes:
>Quick question:
>
>What are the advantages of slip-on's versus your stock exhaust versus
>aftermarket exhaust systems? I don't see many people using slip-on's
>but they are heavily advertised and half as expensive.
>
>Thanks!
>Dave
>

Cost is lower than OEM replacements and they weigh less. Also, in most 
instances you do not have to rejet the carburetors to get a little more 
performance. I replaced my OEM canister with an Ontario systems slip on.
The mid-range performance is better but I also notice a slight stumble at 
2-3K rpm. After talking to Kaz Yoshima, the developer and manufacturer of 
the slip on, he thinks I might need larger pilot, idle, jets. Was not suppose
to but maybe where I live makes a difference. Altitude, barometric pressure...
Anyway, besides that minor glitch, I like the slip on performance and the sound,
which is louder than stock, but not loud enough to annoy folks. The Ontario 
slip on use some sort of sound baffling technique to reduce the sound at full 
throttle.

Just remember, every bike is a tuned system. When you change the intake or
exhaust characteristics beyond the allowable delta of the manufacturer, you may
have to change other areas to compensate. Like a complete change of the exhaust
system, header and muffler, changes the exhaust characteristic to the point
which re-jetting is required to compensate for the new engine breathing/pumping
profile.

Talk with the folks who make the slip on you intend to use and ask them if
they have used it on your particular bike. Check with people who have the
system also to see what they think about there slip on.

Also, as a last data point, in Sport Rider's first issue, did a review on a
group of header and exhaust systems for the CBR600F2. They also included, as a 
side bar, the Ontario slip on, the Dyno showed an increase from stock of 5bhp at
the rear wheel, 85 verses 91. 

Buyer beware, of outrageous claimed increases in horse power! It may have been 
true in the past, but not today!

AT
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  _|___                           |_|        1991 CBR600F2          ___|_
 (_____) Allen Tobias           Technical    email:                (_____)
 (_____) Convex Computer Corp.  Marketing    tobias@convex.com     (_____)
 (_____) 3000 Waterview Parkway                                    (_____)
 (___)   Richardson, TX 75083                                        (___)
   =====================================================================
     "This bike is awesome and I'm fearless. Let's go."--Jay Gleason


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105559
From: M. Burnham <markb@wc.novell.com>
Subject: Re: Advantages of Slip-Ons

In article <1rigoj$isl@apple.com> Paul Thompson, thompson@apple.com writes:
>It sure would be nice if someone would start making replacements
>for OEM exhausts that were would be cheaper but not louder...

I read about a SuperTrapp system called E.A.R that was supposed to be
quiet enough to pass some European standards.  Apparently it's not
on the market yet...

Yoshimura makes a few systems that are supposed to be "kind of" quiet.
They are also really light.  I'm planning on getting one of these 
systems soon, and will post the results.

- Mark
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Mark S. Burnham (markb@wc.novell.com) AMA#668966  DoD#0747 
Alfa Romeo GTV-6                             '90 Ninja 750
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105560
From: cassidy@elan.rowan.edu (Kyle Cassidy)
Subject: funny thing happened at the DMV the other day....


i saw this posted and it brings an interesting event to mind .....


In article <mdennie.735508147@beryllium> mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
>
>The reactions of little boys seems to be the most enthusiastic to
>a wave (and also good to see).  I always wave when I see a kid that
>has at least noticed my bike.  I figure it helps the future of the
>sport.
>
>I have to admit that I usually try to do so without the "parental
>figure" noticing - I`m afraid that the kid will get yelled at for
>associatign with anti-societal types like us.
>

a few weeks ago i was in the DMV with ken. i was standing in a mile long 
line waiting for some really bored looking person to fleece a bunch of 
people from some dough. ken was sitting on a chair next to our helmets 
wondering why everybody there looked to be about the social calibur of 
people you would find at a laundromat when some young woman walked in who 
required our conferring attentions. he came over and stood in line with me 
while we watched her fill out some forms and then we noticed a little kid 
about 4 years old reach over the bench and touch our helmets, one at a time. 
i didn't particularly mind, and neither did ken (that the kid was touching 
our helmets that is). but the helmets weren't on the most stable of 
platforms, so ken scooted over there to resettle them and as soon as he 
touched the helmets, mother of said child started shrieking at her kid "YOU 
STAY AWAY FROM THOSE YOU SHIT!" and whopped the tyke brutally about the head 
and shoulders.

i suppose it was our scary "sex drugs and unix" t-shirts that sent such 
bouts of terror through her body. 


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105561
From: hartzler@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com (Jerry Hartzler - CATS)
Subject: Re: story & respect

In article <1993Apr23.220259.12375@Pacesetter.COM> lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>>Nudity, fine...loud noise, fine...party all night, fine... but at the right
>>place and time.  Please, let's not trample over other's rights and then bitch
>>because they don't treat us like gods.
>>
>>Michael Menard
>
> You know, I wasn't EVEN going to respond to this typical anti-party
>attitude message. Trash was everywhere - reason? Not enough dipsy
>dumpsters for the massive crowd. Oatman wasn't prepared for the vast
>number of PEOPLE that showed up.

I don't think Michael's response was anti-party but rather pro-environmental.
I agree that you gotta let us Hogs out to roam every once in awhile.  Let's
hope that next year Oatman will be better prepared and that we all pick up
after ourselves.

>an asshole. I've already admitted I'm an asshole many times on the net.
>All my friends are assholes too (lyrics to a new song?). So, you want a
>dime to call someone that cares?

Well, I for one thought you told a good story, even if you say you are an
a**hole!:-) We need more biker experiances written to news.  It's unfortunate
that you got flamed for telling it, but we all know this is a controversial
group.

At any rate, keep up the good work and continue to post stories.

- Jerry ('93 FXDL)

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105563
From: rmt@pioneer.net.com (Richard Tweedie)
Subject: Re: Touring the southwest

In article <907F3B3w164w@fatcity.cts.com> kim@fatcity.cts.com (Kim Sharpe) writes:
>A few of us are touring Sothwest Utah in mid June to see the Canyons.\
>Do any of you have some helpful hints on where to stay or
>things to see/do/avoid.  Plans are to see Bryce, Zion, Arches.
>Is the Grand close at that point or is an additional trip required?
>Any help would be nice.  Thank you for your support.
>
>-- 
No, the Grand canyon is not too far away.  Short side trips to Kolob
(between Cedar City and Hurricane) and Pipe Springs (on the way from
Hurricane to the Grand Canyon) may be interesting--they are right
off the highway.  Pipe Springs (a small fort) gives you real insight
into just how the pioneers lived.  You have missed one major must
see attraction--Cedar Breaks in the mountains above cedar city.
Take lots of film--they have a reason for calling this kodachrome
country.  Natural Bridges in the four corners area is also very
scenic, but may be too far off your route.  Monument valley is
spectacular, but again may be too far away.

Rich Tweedie


Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105564
From: crucej@osshe.edu (Jerry Cruce)
Subject: Re: Inner tube in tyre... Safe ?

Speedy Mercer (speedy@engr.latech.edu) wrote:
: In article <1993Apr27.133202.3934@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au> exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au writes:

: >Hello DoD'ers et al.,

: >I need some advice on inner tubes in tubeless tyres. 
: >       Barry Manor DoD# 620

: Spend the bucks and get a new tire. 

:  ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----


I second the commend from Dr. Speed, get a new tire.  It's like your
brakes, something you don't want to take chances with.  I waited too long
to take care of my front tire once and it went flat on me, doing 70 MPH
going down the grapevine towards Bakersfield.  At that instance, I would
of given any amount of money for a new tire.  I'm lucky to be here.

	Jerry

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105661
From: tony@morgan.demon.co.uk (Tony Kidson)
Subject: Re: Info on Sport-Cruisers 

In article <4foNhvm00WB4E5hUxB@andrew.cmu.edu> jae+@CMU.EDU writes:

>I'm looking for a sport-cruiser - factory installed fairings (
>full/half ), hard saddle bags, 750cc and above, and all that and still
>has that sporty look.
>
>I particularly like the R100RS and K75 RT or S, or any of the K series
>BMW bikes.
>
>I was wondering if there are any other comparable type bikes being
>produced by companies other than BMW.


The Honda ST1100 was designed by Honda in Germany, originally for the 
European market, as competition for the BMW 'K' series.  Check it out.

Tony

+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+
|Tony Kidson    | ** PGP 2.2 Key by request ** |Voice +44 81 466 5127    |
|Morgan Towers, |  The Cat has had to move now |E-Mail(in order)         |
|Morgan Road,   |  as I've had to take the top |tony@morgan.demon.co.uk  |
|Bromley,       |  off of the machine.         |tny@cix.compulink.co.uk  |
|England BR1 3QE|Honda ST1100 -=<*>=- DoD# 0801|100024.301@compuserve.com|
+---------------+------------------------------+-------------------------+

Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 105662
From: cdw2t@dayhoff.med.Virginia.EDU (Dances With Federal Rangers)
Subject: Re: Misc./buying info. needed

In article <1993Apr18.160449.1@hamp.hampshire.edu> jyaruss@hamp.hampshire.edu writes:

>Is there a buying guide for new/used motorcycles (that lists reliability, how
>to go about the buying process, what to look for, etc...)?

_Cycle World_ puts one out, but I'm sure it's not very objective.  Try talking
with dealers and the people that hang out there, as well as us.  We love to
give advice.

>Is there a pricing guide for new/used motorcycles (Blue Book)?

Most of the bigger banks have a blue book which includes motos -- ask for the
one with RVs in it.

>Are there any books/articles on riding cross country, motorcycle camping, etc?

Couldn't help you here.

>Is there an idiots' guide to motorcycles?

You're reading it.

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|                                                                          |
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|    is lumpy and hairy and should not be seen by the light of day."       |
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Newsgroup: rec.motorcycles
Document_id: 72052
From: ivan@erich.triumf.ca (Ivan D. Reid)
Subject: Re: Accident report

In article <1992Jun25.132424.20760@prl.philips.nl>, mcardle@prl.philips.nl (Owen McArdle) writes...
>In article <ranck.253@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu> ranck@vtvm1.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>--In article <1992Jun23.214330.18592@bcrka451.bnr.ca> whitton@bnr.ca (Mark Whitton) writes:
>--
>-->It turns out that the trailer lights were not hooked up
>-->to the truck.  
>--
>--Yep, basic rule: *Never* expect or believe turn signals completely.
>--Around here, and many other places, people just don't signal at all.
>--And, sometimes the signals aren't working.  Sometimes they get left on.
> 
>	The scary bit about this is the is the non-availability of rear-
>lights at all. Now living in the Netherlands I've learned that the only
>reliable indicators are those red ones which go on at both sides at once -
>some people call them brake lights. Once they light up, expect ANYTHING
>to occur in front of you :-). (It's not just the Dutch though)
> 
>	However I never realised how much I relied on this until I got 
>caught a few times behind someone whose lights didn't work AT ALL. Once 
>I'd sussed it out it wasn't so bad (knowing it is half the battle), but 
>it's a great way to find out that you've been following someone too 
>closely :-). Now I try to check for lights all the time, 'cos that split 
>second can make all the difference (though it shouldn't be necessary, I 
>know),
> 
>Owen.
	What used to peeve me in Canada was the cars with bloody _red_ rear
indicators.  You'd see a single red light come on and think, "Now, is he
stopping but one brake-lamp is not working, or does he have those dumb bloody
_red_ rear indicators?"  This being Survival 101, you have to assume he's
braking and take the appropriate actions, until such time as the light goes
out and on again, after which you can be reasonably certain it's a bloody _red_
rear indicator.

Ivan Reid, Paul Scherrer Institute, CH.     			ivan@cvax.psi.ch
GSX600F, RG250WD.	SI=2.66     "You Porsche. Me pass!"	DoD #484

